Geeeeezzz.... Just enjoy watching movies without feeling the need to criticise each tiny weeny bit of each and every frame... just to show the whole world that brand advertising does not work on you!!:S !!!
Come on!! Go to the cinema... or rent the dvd.. or download it if you prefer... you don't like it... bah.. tough luck... you'll like the next one. Not each and every film has to be stellar! I bet the whole bunch of you would enjoy life more if you just got a little bit less overcritical!
Yeah I get all your points... but Gentoo was far from being your first steps! I played a round with RedHat, Suse and Mandrake... and I finally was introduced to Gentoo. It was with Gentoo that I really made my bones. But then I got fed up of compiling KDE every 2 weeks because a couple of files got updated (I know now it's better because of the modular updates... still a long time to finish compiling).
I decided I had enough and started using Fedora! Is it the best? I don't care. Does it work ? Yes. RPM-hell? Huh? WHAT?? in 2 years I got an rpm database corruption once... which was solved with a google search and 5 mins of typing and a couple of package inconsistencies in the java branch of Fedora (mainly with some geronimo packages). Yeah.. pure hell! I mean... if you know that two package repositories are non-compatible with each other (and not officially supported by the Fedora community) why do you complain when your cross-dependencies get mixed up? Is that really an RPM issue... or a bad admin issue?
My original point was that gentoo is a good learning tool for non beginners, a new Linux user needs/must use something simpler to get started. Knowing how to make a stage 3 installation, setting up compiling parameters, manually installing each and every application and setting cron scripts... is definitely not beginners stuff. You start with more simple things... like a graphical installation... some graphical tuning... get familiar with the terms... maybe start scripting... compiling some self written program... configuring some/etc/RANDOM-APP.conf... and then maybe gradually start playing around with Gentoo.
Telling my Windows savvy friend... yeah let me teach you linux... and have him sit next to be gaping like a fish while I read gentoo documentation and type some gibberish... is not a very good teaching technique.
PS: I'm answering to a number of comments on my original post over here... not all directed to the previous comment:)
I really think that someone taking his first steps in linux world should not be left out in the cold with Gentoo!! Gentoo has its benefits... but being user friendly to beginners is definitely not one of them!!
Bull$h|t!! Back in 1999-2001 I used to run a similar system, played mp3's, some videos and did all the hell I wanted with 128 MB of ram. I upgraded it to 256MB and did all those things on Windows XP.
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MP3 playing has been out of RedHat productions since version 8 or 9 I think. It's the case for both gnome and KDE. Actually it has nothing to do with both. Can be easily obtained by installing a gstreamer plugin. Just like it is the case for Ubuntu. I use amarok in KDE or Gnome on Fedora with no problem at all. I still seem to be able to listen to my MP3 collection.:) I really don't think that KDE is any more broken in Fedora than it is in any other distro out there. Maybe that was the case some years back...
What I like most of Fedora is that if follows the RHEL standards, it is a wonderful tool to get used to the "enterprise" version of linux.
Yes... Mozilla are so evil for asking that users acknowledge them (or Firefox in this case) when they want to use their logo. Mozilla is not saying you can't use the logos, it's saying keep them with their name. The two things have to go together. I really can't imagine any possible way that Mozilla is undermining my civil liberties.
Of course there should be a year zero...
It's the year during which enough updates are released to turn vista from a publicaly sold beta to a fairly usable OS!!
I don't live in the US, I don't shop from Best Buy, I have no clue to how it works. But I do shop. So, all I can say, if you salespeople knew more about the stuff they were talking, they wouldn't be there selling stuff.:) I, wouldn't be able to be a salesperson, probably would get fired first day for insulting customers! I'm pretty sure no easy job, but it would help if salespeople don't try to talk about items they have no clue about!
Why offer a programming course?? If he/she will never write one single line of code in his/her life... why teach programming? Isn't it more important to learn skills you might actually use? Just like you and I eventually realise there is something else, and had the want to learn more... so will others on their own or through little push quench their thirst for info. But in no way is programming an essential tool for PC literacy! To be able to write... you must not write books yourself everyday!
No... back in the day computers where a niche market! Back in the day ( 20-30 years ago) there wasn't an issue of computer literacy. Computer literate does not mean to be a geek, computer literate means not being considered disadvantaged in the modern world for not being able to use a computer. A user insisting that he/she needs Office XP and not 2005 because he/she does not understand that one is just an upgrade is just a minor issue. Why should someone, who only needs a PC to type in a document, need to know which is the most shiny and latest version of Office? Computers and literacy programes aimed at third world countries, don't aim to give them the shiniest and latest version of Office, but to actually introduce them to the world of Computing, the bridge the digital divide!
Are you dumm???:) You don't talk to girls about encoding!! Seriously... watch some more TV and a bit less PC's:)
Jokes aside, I don't think that the whole world needs to know how PC's are working. I don't think that the majority of people need to know that. As long as you know how to operate a word processor and a spreadsheat program, maybe some software to create presentations (notice how I am using generic terms).... I think you can be considered computer literate. To be able to program in C++ in notepad and compile it using a command line interface, I THINK goes beyond the purpose of computer literacy. I don't think that locked down computers are a bad thing. In fact from what you've been saying (software loading off pen drives, accessing external proxies...) I don't think you computers at school are actually locked down enough. Keep in mind that computers at school are not you computers at home. It's there for public use and has to cater for mostly kids. I don't think that schools should make it a priority on their schedule to allow 12-13 year olds change their desktop picture, color of the taskbar and access porn!
It's a place discovered by a girl called Alice. One day Alice was listening to a fairy tale by her sister... when she followed a little bunny and fell into a deep hole. There she found this marevelous wonderland and had many adventures.
I have to points..... one agrees with you... the other does not.
As someone who works in the coprorate IT industry.... no corporation would dream of using hardware/software that is not supported (as in I pay you to give me a solution ASAP). If you are operating in a critcal environment.. you dont give a damn if **put your favourite hippie distro here** is totally open source or totally free.
Be it Microsoft, HP, Sun, RedHat or Novell etc etc... you pay you expect a result. It happens that RHEL in industry is the most widely supported name.
On the other hand Linux was born out of a "personal" project and turned into a community project. This has led to Linux improvement. But even large "evil" corporations like RedHat give an immense contribution to the Linux community.
Tsk Tsk Tsk... You really must have a lot of time on your hands if you consider discussing this topic in such detail an important thing like that. Now if you were talking about something serious like I don't know... what if the french revolution had never happned, how would the political scenario of europe shaped itself... or like had the nazi's not gone greedy and invaded Russia what would the outcome of world war two have been... Well if we were discussing the good and bad desicions over there I might say there might have been *SOME* time worth spending discussing. But discussing the what if's of this topic... not that interesting... especially in a recycled posting on/.
This is boring... shouldn't we discuss what is... instead of would could have been? If we start considering the almost but not quite and what would have happned if... I think there enough useless discussion going on already!
I don't think that it is a major killer for KDE to be slightly less responsive. I think if linux wants to be taken more seriously by non-geek people, it has to drastically imporve the artwork in the GUI. Even the hard-core developers and internet geeks, as soon as screen shots are out... they hammer down servers to look out for the eye candy. A generic user does not even notice the slightly slower response time, but he will notice if Windows Vista looks better than KDE 4. So... my two c.. I think KDE is taking a very good direction. Better art-work, means better eye-candy, and more attracting generic users. (I am making an enormous assumption that a generic user will still be able to run popular household applications on the Linux box...)
There is nothing wrong with "dreaming"... The world's greatest inventors and discoverers were called dreamers of heretics... Galileo, Newton, Marconi, Darwin, Einstein.... We all know what the current situation is. What looks impossible today can very much be what will happen in a couple of hundred of years. True it is like impossible for current generations since we will see nothing for it... but not for humanity!!
Hehehehehe.... I agree. Dear parent commenter... since when giving a different name to your OS (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X....) makes them get classified on their own? They are all OS's. One big category! And over here we are even talking about a smaller subcategory... desktop OS's!! How do windows and mac os x fall in different categories? And come splurting out at me any Apple PR!
While Opterons overall can perform better than Xeons (because that is what your real issues is here)... I dont think that 2x2 opteron servers can outperform 3x2 xeon servers. And I have no idea what a dell poweredge consists of cause i dont feel like searching... but if their tasks could be split up into 40 individual tasks and each assigned to an individual pc... they would probably still get a better performance!
I don't agree. I think they made the wise desicion to get the best return for their investment. The money was donated by the community and they had an obbligation to the community to spend it in the best possible way!! Why buy 2 servers when you can get 3?
Yeah... I tend to agree... a wife is less likely to get angry at you for punting her diamond ring money down a stripper's panties the for buying books!:P
(Almost sure to attract femminist rage...) When have women cared about Unix anyway ? "Cook me dinner and clean the dishes dear":)
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Geeeeezzz .... Just enjoy watching movies without feeling the need to criticise each tiny weeny bit of each and every frame ... just to show the whole world that brand advertising does not work on you!! :S !!!
Come on!! Go to the cinema ... or rent the dvd .. or download it if you prefer ... you don't like it ... bah .. tough luck ... you'll like the next one. Not each and every film has to be stellar! I bet the whole bunch of you would enjoy life more if you just got a little bit less overcritical!
Yeah I get all your points ... but Gentoo was far from being your first steps! I played a round with RedHat, Suse and Mandrake ... and I finally was introduced to Gentoo. It was with Gentoo that I really made my bones. But then I got fed up of compiling KDE every 2 weeks because a couple of files got updated (I know now it's better because of the modular updates ... still a long time to finish compiling).
I decided I had enough and started using Fedora! Is it the best? I don't care. Does it work ? Yes. RPM-hell? Huh? WHAT?? in 2 years I got an rpm database corruption once ... which was solved with a google search and 5 mins of typing and a couple of package inconsistencies in the java branch of Fedora (mainly with some geronimo packages). Yeah .. pure hell! I mean ... if you know that two package repositories are non-compatible with each other (and not officially supported by the Fedora community) why do you complain when your cross-dependencies get mixed up? Is that really an RPM issue ... or a bad admin issue?
My original point was that gentoo is a good learning tool for non beginners, a new Linux user needs/must use something simpler to get started. Knowing how to make a stage 3 installation, setting up compiling parameters, manually installing each and every application and setting cron scripts ... is definitely not beginners stuff. You start with more simple things ... like a graphical installation ... some graphical tuning ... get familiar with the terms ... maybe start scripting ... compiling some self written program ... configuring some /etc/RANDOM-APP.conf ... and then maybe gradually start playing around with Gentoo.
Telling my Windows savvy friend ... yeah let me teach you linux ... and have him sit next to be gaping like a fish while I read gentoo documentation and type some gibberish ... is not a very good teaching technique.
PS: I'm answering to a number of comments on my original post over here ... not all directed to the previous comment :)
I really think that someone taking his first steps in linux world should not be left out in the cold with Gentoo!! Gentoo has its benefits ... but being user friendly to beginners is definitely not one of them!!
Bull$h|t!! Back in 1999-2001 I used to run a similar system, played mp3's, some videos and did all the hell I wanted with 128 MB of ram. I upgraded it to 256MB and did all those things on Windows XP.
MP3 playing has been out of RedHat productions since version 8 or 9 I think. It's the case for both gnome and KDE. Actually it has nothing to do with both. Can be easily obtained by installing a gstreamer plugin. Just like it is the case for Ubuntu. I use amarok in KDE or Gnome on Fedora with no problem at all. I still seem to be able to listen to my MP3 collection. :) I really don't think that KDE is any more broken in Fedora than it is in any other distro out there. Maybe that was the case some years back ...
What I like most of Fedora is that if follows the RHEL standards, it is a wonderful tool to get used to the "enterprise" version of linux.
Yes ... Mozilla are so evil for asking that users acknowledge them (or Firefox in this case) when they want to use their logo. Mozilla is not saying you can't use the logos, it's saying keep them with their name. The two things have to go together. I really can't imagine any possible way that Mozilla is undermining my civil liberties.
Ice weasel is just a waste of time and effort.
Of course there should be a year zero ...
It's the year during which enough updates are released to turn vista from a publicaly sold beta to a fairly usable OS!!
I don't live in the US, I don't shop from Best Buy, I have no clue to how it works. But I do shop. So, all I can say, if you salespeople knew more about the stuff they were talking, they wouldn't be there selling stuff. :) I, wouldn't be able to be a salesperson, probably would get fired first day for insulting customers! I'm pretty sure no easy job, but it would help if salespeople don't try to talk about items they have no clue about!
Why offer a programming course?? If he/she will never write one single line of code in his/her life... why teach programming? Isn't it more important to learn skills you might actually use? Just like you and I eventually realise there is something else, and had the want to learn more... so will others on their own or through little push quench their thirst for info. But in no way is programming an essential tool for PC literacy! To be able to write... you must not write books yourself everyday!
No ... back in the day computers where a niche market! Back in the day ( 20-30 years ago) there wasn't an issue of computer literacy. Computer literate does not mean to be a geek, computer literate means not being considered disadvantaged in the modern world for not being able to use a computer. A user insisting that he/she needs Office XP and not 2005 because he/she does not understand that one is just an upgrade is just a minor issue. Why should someone, who only needs a PC to type in a document, need to know which is the most shiny and latest version of Office? Computers and literacy programes aimed at third world countries, don't aim to give them the shiniest and latest version of Office, but to actually introduce them to the world of Computing, the bridge the digital divide!
Are you dumm??? :) You don't talk to girls about encoding!! Seriously ... watch some more TV and a bit less PC's :)
Jokes aside, I don't think that the whole world needs to know how PC's are working. I don't think that the majority of people need to know that. As long as you know how to operate a word processor and a spreadsheat program, maybe some software to create presentations (notice how I am using generic terms).... I think you can be considered computer literate. To be able to program in C++ in notepad and compile it using a command line interface, I THINK goes beyond the purpose of computer literacy. I don't think that locked down computers are a bad thing. In fact from what you've been saying (software loading off pen drives, accessing external proxies...) I don't think you computers at school are actually locked down enough. Keep in mind that computers at school are not you computers at home. It's there for public use and has to cater for mostly kids. I don't think that schools should make it a priority on their schedule to allow 12-13 year olds change their desktop picture, color of the taskbar and access porn!
It's a place discovered by a girl called Alice. One day Alice was listening to a fairy tale by her sister ... when she followed a little bunny and fell into a deep hole. There she found this marevelous wonderland and had many adventures.
I have to points ..... one agrees with you... the other does not.
As someone who works in the coprorate IT industry .... no corporation would dream of using hardware/software that is not supported (as in I pay you to give me a solution ASAP). If you are operating in a critcal environment.. you dont give a damn if **put your favourite hippie distro here** is totally open source or totally free.
Be it Microsoft, HP, Sun, RedHat or Novell etc etc ... you pay you expect a result. It happens that RHEL in industry is the most widely supported name.
On the other hand Linux was born out of a "personal" project and turned into a community project. This has led to Linux improvement. But even large "evil" corporations like RedHat give an immense contribution to the Linux community.
Tsk Tsk Tsk ... You really must have a lot of time on your hands if you consider discussing this topic in such detail an important thing like that. Now if you were talking about something serious like I don't know ... what if the french revolution had never happned, how would the political scenario of europe shaped itself ... or like had the nazi's not gone greedy and invaded Russia what would the outcome of world war two have been ... Well if we were discussing the good and bad desicions over there I might say there might have been *SOME* time worth spending discussing. But discussing the what if's of this topic ... not that interesting... especially in a recycled posting on /.
This is boring ... shouldn't we discuss what is ... instead of would could have been? If we start considering the almost but not quite and what would have happned if ... I think there enough useless discussion going on already!
I don't think that it is a major killer for KDE to be slightly less responsive. I think if linux wants to be taken more seriously by non-geek people, it has to drastically imporve the artwork in the GUI. Even the hard-core developers and internet geeks, as soon as screen shots are out... they hammer down servers to look out for the eye candy. A generic user does not even notice the slightly slower response time, but he will notice if Windows Vista looks better than KDE 4. So ... my two c.. I think KDE is taking a very good direction. Better art-work, means better eye-candy, and more attracting generic users. (I am making an enormous assumption that a generic user will still be able to run popular household applications on the Linux box ...)
There is nothing wrong with "dreaming" ... The world's greatest inventors and discoverers were called dreamers of heretics ... Galileo, Newton, Marconi, Darwin, Einstein .... We all know what the current situation is. What looks impossible today can very much be what will happen in a couple of hundred of years. True it is like impossible for current generations since we will see nothing for it... but not for humanity!!
Looks like spammers have a new tool ...
so what ???? i am sure you play better more just because you have higher textures ... let's all cut the geek crap!
Hehehehehe .... I agree. Dear parent commenter ... since when giving a different name to your OS (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X ....) makes them get classified on their own? They are all OS's. One big category! And over here we are even talking about a smaller subcategory... desktop OS's!! How do windows and mac os x fall in different categories? And come splurting out at me any Apple PR!
I care venture a tought ... wouldn't it be interesting to wait for Apple computers built around Intel Centrino ???
While Opterons overall can perform better than Xeons (because that is what your real issues is here) ... I dont think that 2x2 opteron servers can outperform 3x2 xeon servers. And I have no idea what a dell poweredge consists of cause i dont feel like searching ... but if their tasks could be split up into 40 individual tasks and each assigned to an individual pc ... they would probably still get a better performance!
I don't agree. I think they made the wise desicion to get the best return for their investment. The money was donated by the community and they had an obbligation to the community to spend it in the best possible way!! Why buy 2 servers when you can get 3?
Yeah ... I tend to agree... a wife is less likely to get angry at you for punting her diamond ring money down a stripper's panties the for buying books! :P
(Almost sure to attract femminist rage...) When have women cared about Unix anyway ? "Cook me dinner and clean the dishes dear" :)
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