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First Reviews: NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT GPU

Spinnerbait writes "This morning NVIDIA let fly with a cut-back version of their GeForce 7800GTX flagship card, dubbed the GeForce 7800GT. HotHardware has a full review and showcase posted of this new more reasonably price GeForce 7 series card. Overall it's performance was impressive but there is a tad bit of confusion in the channel about clock speeds on these new boards, so keep you eye on retail board specifications." The embargo's off: here's TheTechLounge's review, and GDHardware's, too -- I'm sure you'll find links to others in the comments below.

162 comments

  1. woot! by cptbarkey · · Score: 0, Troll

    great, just what the world needs, a faster video card to display those BSOD's that much faster.

    1. Re:woot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to stop running win98...

    2. Re:woot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Na at least you know if he claims to be running linux that he is a wanabe.

    3. Re:woot! by nailz420 · · Score: 0, Troll

      You suck. Get off the stage!

  2. rotate by BoldAC · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nvidia has released a faster card. It's better than anything out right now.

    Stay tuned next week. ATI will do the same.

    Rinse, spin, and repeat.

    1. Re:rotate by krgallagher · · Score: 3, Funny
      " Nvidia has released a faster card. It's better than anything out right now. "

      Yeah, but will it run Linux?

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    2. Re:rotate by Eric604 · · Score: 1
      Rinse, spin, and repeat

      Yeah, except for the digital aspect, there isn't much difference between geek life and real life.

    3. Re:rotate by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      You should have asked that about the ATi card!

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    4. Re:rotate by ameoba · · Score: 3, Insightful

      nVidia is known for having superior Linux and OpenGL support, relative to ATI's offerings.

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    5. Re:rotate by swimmar132 · · Score: 1

      Actually, this is a slower (and cheaper) card than Nvidia's last release.

      (that's why the article said "scaled back version")

    6. Re:rotate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh huh, he said offerings

    7. Re:rotate by freshman_a · · Score: 1


      Yeah, but will it run Linux?

      Well, it appears that the latest nVidia driver for Linux supports the latest GPUs including the 7800GTX, so I'm going to say yes. Ditto for FreeBSD.

    8. Re:rotate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure it's a bright idea to put that new card in the washing machine?

    9. Re:rotate by Holi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, cool so now I can run Linux on my video card.

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    10. Re:rotate by Stupendoussteve · · Score: 0

      Run Linux or run ON Linux?

      If your GPU has an OS, you're in trouble.

    11. Re:rotate by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

      Of course it won't run linux! It's only a video card, for cryin' out loud! In order for it to run linux, it needs to be a more general purpose computer.

      Though I do hear they have ported netbsd to it.

    12. Re:rotate by KillShill · · Score: 1

      yeah but is it GPL compatible?

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    13. Re:rotate by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but will it run Linux?

      Actually, while this was propably meant as a joke, it is a good question. Shader languages are getting more powerfull, and I've understood that they either include or are soon going to include conditional expressions (if-else-then). This raises the question if they could be used for something else than graphics - could all that massive mathemathical power be harnessed into something besides eye candy ?

      After all, a video card that runs a 1024x786 resolution at 30fps is rendering 23 592 960 pixels per second. If you could make each rendered pixel be an answer to a part of some massively parallel calculation...

      Program with shader language, input with polygons, and read output from RGB values of rendered pixels in video memory. Hey, maybe you could use all that massive power to run a software OpenGL renderer ;)...

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    14. Re:rotate by jinzumkei · · Score: 1

      In other news.... In order to please BoldAC, Nvidia and ATi both announced they will not only release any faster new cards for the next 10 years, but they will start releasing slower ones. :)

    15. Re:rotate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That and the "rinse" aspect.

    16. Re:rotate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This exists, it's called GpGPU, and of course it's only any good if the question you want to ask happens to look quite a bit like rendering a 3D scene from a mathematical point of view. Otherwise the GPU will be terrible at it.

      But there are some problems which meet the criteria, and GpGPU is arguably a good way to use commodity hardware for those problems.

    17. Re:rotate by denttford · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you were thinking of this?

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    18. Re:rotate by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, there are still no pointers in the shader languages either. (Nor any equivalent construct like Java's references.) This will be a pretty significant stumbling block for general purpose work. Like trying to rewrite the Linux kernel in BASIC...

    19. Re:rotate by macaulay805 · · Score: 1

      I believe the proper quote would be:

      Yeah, but will Linux run it?

    20. Re:rotate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally! I've been suggesting that FOREVER.. only now does /. get clued in.

    21. Re:rotate by strider44 · · Score: 1

      yes there are, at least for NVidia's cards.

    22. Re:rotate by Arramol · · Score: 1

      Only this release requires a lot of us to buy new mobos if we want to benefit from it. Anyone else still running AGP out there?

  3. Still cost to much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Might as well release a credit card with it to just so u can buy the damn thing!

  4. Corked Drivers by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Hope the first release drivers aren't corked this time around.

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  5. Oh no, not again. by ZenShadow · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sometimes I wish I were my own sibling. My sister keeps getting dibs on my "old" hardware when stuff like this happens and forces the geek in me to go on an upgrade spree.

    She will shortly have an Ath64 3500+ and a 6800GT.

    Must be nice. :p

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    1. Re:Oh no, not again. by shoptroll · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Heh. I've got a 3500+ and a 6600GT. Computer runs like a dream.

      I'm not upgrading my vid. card until a mid-range 512 mb model hits the market.

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    2. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 1

      Ditto... (new) 4400+ and (year old) 6800GT. I'm obviously tempted by the new 7800 models, but I only got this thing last year! Who knows what will be out by next summer?

    3. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't let your sister take advantage of you like that... give it to me!

    4. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny - not.

      When I started a family I stopped wasting money on crap and spend it on them instead.

    5. Re:Oh no, not again. by StarvingSE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No need to upgrade anything at this point. I have been using my athlon xp 2500+ kicked up to 3200+ and a 6600GT, and it plays anything flawlessly with all details up. Hardware lasts a lot longer than people tend to think. Even though games are coming out with minor improvements in graphics, nothing major has changed software wise to consider buy a $600+ video card just yet.

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    6. Re:Oh no, not again. by swimmar132 · · Score: 1

      I have a 1680x1050 display and would really like to display games at that native resolution. A 6600GT isn't quite powerful enough for that.

    7. Re:Oh no, not again. by StarvingSE · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I can afford a monitor with a 1680x1050 native resolution, I'll buy myself the expensive vid card to go with it ;)

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    8. Re:Oh no, not again. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      Same here, I'm running a 2800+ with a GF6800 (stock not GT or ultra) and can play ANY game with full details and I get great framerates.. I built the over all system (1 gb ram, 200 gb hD, dual layer DVD) for 400 bucks.. the card was the most expensive being 300 (at the time, you can get one now for under 200)...

      I really don't see a reason to upgrade for at least another year or 2 (already had this system for over a year now) but when i do it will be a doosy ;)

    9. Re:Oh no, not again. by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      I actually have a semi-valid reason for wanting the upgrade besides the "it's shiny" factor ;-)

      Simply put: my 6800GT doesn't have dual DVI. I have a pair of Samsung 213T's, and I want them both on DVI, dammit. The one on VGA annoys me.

      Of course, looking at this, it seems as though PCI Express is the only option. That means a motherboard upgrade, too... grrrr.

      Looks like my sis is getting a shiney new computer. :p

      Maybe I should say "Screw it" and just go to a dual-proc Opteron board and slap a couple of dual-core chips in it...

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    10. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could just get a $50 second hand 17-in CRT and use it for gaming if the artefacting really bothers you... In fact, for the price of this card you could pretty much buy an HDTV and play in 1280x720.

    11. Re:Oh no, not again. by Silverlancer · · Score: 1

      Midrange 512MB model? What's the point of that? 512MB will do nothing at all unless the card can fully utilize it all--I doubt it gives much boost for a 7800GTX, let alone a 6800 or 6600. 256MB cards are just as fast and far cheaper.

    12. Re:Oh no, not again. by X_Bones · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Don't let your sister take advantage of you like that... give her to me! (is she hot?)

    13. Re:Oh no, not again. by sconeu · · Score: 1

      You can send me your old hardware!!!!

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    14. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your numbers are off a bit. A 2800+, 1GH ram, 200GB hd, and a Dual Layer DVD drive will cost you Hundred(s) of dollars, not $100 like your claiming.

      Best case at "today's prices" which would be cheaper than when you built yours for, your looking at a bare minimum of $270 for everything minus the GPU. And this includes the shaddiest cheapest items on pricewatch which most smart people avoid.

      I agree with you about longevity though. Console fans act you HAVE to spend $450 on a GPU. I buy a $150 GPU every 3 years and it works out fine. Right now I have a XP1900 and GF 4200 and I played HL2 @800x600 and it worked great. Most popular games including GTA:SA, Splinter Cell etc work perfectly fine. Its only games built on the Doom 3 engine that will cause problems. Big stinking deal , there

      This is something console only gamers just can't figure out for some reason.

    15. Re:Oh no, not again. by Rudeboy777 · · Score: 1

      I have a pair of Samsung 213T's, and I want them both on DVI, dammit. The one on VGA annoys me.

      Annoys you because of an actual perceptable quality difference, or annoys you because of a crippling desire to spend even more on your PC hardware habit?

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    16. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're a real console gamer, you need the Radeon 9500 ASC.

    17. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Same here, I'm running a 2800+ with a GF6800 (stock not GT or ultra) and can play ANY game with full details and I get great framerates..

      Sounds like you haven't played EQ2.

    18. Re:Oh no, not again. by Nos. · · Score: 1

      Sounds like my system... 2500 at 2800, and a 6600GT OC. I was running an FX5600 until, unbeknownst to me, the fan on it died, and not long after, the card did too. I picked up the 6600GT OC (Manufacturer BFG - I have no affiliation with them). The nice thing about this card is.... LIFETIME WARRANTY. After my last card burned out, that was a big selling feature. In any case, this place HL:Source without a stutter at 1280x1024 (usually CS:S). Heck, the 5600 could do it at 1024. Sure, I'd like to go to an AMD64, but at this point, why spend the money?

    19. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She's probably 12.

    20. Re:Oh no, not again. by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      Talking to the wrong end of the supply chain here, man. Now, you could always ask my sister for HER hand-me-downs... :-)

      --S

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    21. Re:Oh no, not again. by coopaq · · Score: 1
      xp 3200+ and a 6600GT..., and it plays anything flawlessly with all details up. Hardware lasts a lot longer than people tend to think.

      For those who you may be confused: the 6600GT is less than a year old.

      I'd bet you haven't had it for more than 6 months.

      Also anything with all details up is very subjective and wrong.

      For instance Battlefield 2 at 1600x1024 with 4xAA and 8xAF is not playable/enjoyable on your video card. It wil give you maybe 10 frames a second.

      Those are very high settings, but you said "anything with all details."

      Video cards do no last long if you want to see the nicest visuals of the newest games.

      But yes, the 6600GT is an awesome card and very well priced!

      As for the processor... well I just upgraded from a 3000 xp to A64 3700 and in video games I really only notice faster load times and maybe a very very small frame rate increase.

      The rate of change in video card technology today is how CPUs used to be.

      Seems you can get away with holding your CPU for a couple more generations than you can video cards.

      A 3200 xp with a 6600GT is a very nice gaming machine though and you pay a hell of a lot more for anything better.

    22. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a few pairs of moist panties?

    23. Re:Oh no, not again. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      No i haven't but I have played pretty much any other FPS game with no problem.. BF2 with 64 players and no hitching, does that count?

    24. Re:Oh no, not again. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      I didn't say $100, it was about 400 but this is what it breaks down to:
      CPU was retail (comes with fan and 3yr warranty) as a combo with motherboard for 79 bucks.
      1GB of ram was Geil Cas 2.5 for 89.
      Case was $38 after rebate
      Hard drive was about 60 after rebate (Seagate 200GB 8mb cache 7200 RPM)
      DVD dual layer was 50
      That comes to about 350+ with Tax.

      So yah thats how much i paid about 1+ years ago.. it pays to buy things in piecemeal looking for the best deals I guess...

      The only thing that I guess you could consider shaddiest(sic) cheapest items would be the motherboard which was an ECS N2400 (Nforce2 chipset) but I have bought 2 of them and for me they are rock stable and offer a great set of features (doesn't overclock with a sh*t tho..).

      Previously in this system I had a geforce 4200 also and HL@ and doom3 ran great also (although on a medium-low setting blend) so instead of upgrading a new console I just upgraded the video card and i'm set for the next few years...

      So Yah...

    25. Re:Oh no, not again. by Electrum · · Score: 1

      Annoys you because of an actual perceptable quality difference

      The difference in quality is very noticable when you have two identical LCDs side by side, one on DVI and the other on VGA.

    26. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better!

    27. Re:Oh no, not again. by rooster9 · · Score: 1

      Yup, yes you did say it was $300. Did you even re-read your post? "for 400 bucks.. the card was the most expensive being 300" Is English your first language? Also, all your software ain't legit, so your numbers are still a bit off.

    28. Re:Oh no, not again. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      Oh I see the confusion, I forgot to mention that the system itself cost me 400 (I had used my previous video card in this system) but I upgraded it with a 300 dollar video card (my first video card purcahse over 150 bucks) to make the total cost 700 dollars...

      So the system itself cost about 400, it would have remained at this price if I had just used my old video card, but since i bought a new one the total price was 700, sorry bout that

    29. Re:Oh no, not again. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "Also, all your software ain't legit, so your numbers are still a bit off."

      Wow how condescending of you, actually all of my software is legit so my numbers are just fine thank you.

      Besides where does software figure into the price of a system anyway? Heard of OSS?

      And as an addition to my first post, I built a second system for my brother using the same hardware (including a GF4200TI) and it came to just under 450 with shipping and taxes, including the OS.. so there :P

    30. Re:Oh no, not again. by ash · · Score: 1

      I have a 1680x1050 LCD and 6600GT and it runs quite nicely for Source and WoW @ native. Overheating is my only concern in the summertime. But if you need to upgrade, the 7xxx should bring the 6800GT down some.

    31. Re:Oh no, not again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i hope they are speckled with brown filth

    32. Re:Oh no, not again. by rooster9 · · Score: 1

      You lie. You put solitaire on it. Better turn yourself in before it's too late...

    33. Re:Oh no, not again. by randyest · · Score: 1

      It would if you could really play BF2 on max quality with a 6600, but you can't. I guarantee at least your textures are at medium or lower. Probably less-than max in a few other video areas also.

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    34. Re:Oh no, not again. by chavo+valdez · · Score: 1

      I just upgraded to a 6600GT also. And added an XP-M 2600+ and gig of ram, finally. While these $600 dollar cards aren't meant for the masses, they do drive down the prices of last year's latest and geatest. I think I paid about the same for the 6600GT that I paid for the ti4200 it replaced. Keep 'em comin', I say. There will be a use for all of this tech eventually.

    35. Re:Oh no, not again. by JimmehAH · · Score: 1

      My 9600 can play HL: Source at 1600x1200 with full details and max AF/AA.
      It's a 7 year old game updated with a few shaders and ragdolls. Not too hard to get insane framerates on it.

      HL2 on the other hand...

    36. Re:Oh no, not again. by Ganniterix · · Score: 0

      so what ???? i am sure you play better more just because you have higher textures ... let's all cut the geek crap!

    37. Re:Oh no, not again. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1
      I used to worry about my card overheating until i got one of these--http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/SearchAl l.asp?s=SA

      Have put these in a dozen machines so far.VERY quiet,And when you're gaming you can really feel the heat being blown away from your card.They even have one with a thermal control.Great buy.

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    38. Re:Oh no, not again. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      How the hell did you know that? did you install a spy camera in my house? *looks around franticly*

    39. Re:Oh no, not again. by randyest · · Score: 1

      So what? OP said "Same here, I'm running a 2800+ with a GF6800 (stock not GT or ultra) and can play ANY game with full details and I get great framerates.. " then "BF2 with 64 players and no hitching, does that count?"

      Follow the thread or stay out of it. If you did read the entire thread and still didn't understand, then I apologize for shining the spotlight on your mental handicap.

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    40. Re:Oh no, not again. by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      Actually, she's 33.... and married. >:)

      I can't say if she's hot or not. She's my sister. and all brothers think their sisters are ugly ;-)

      -S

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  6. Re:Yeah Right! by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have one of these in my as right now...it's not that good.

          I'm so scared to ask... Please tell me you either misspelled something or that's an acronym which is unfamiliar to me.

  7. Graphics by kevin_conaway · · Score: 1

    One can only assume that this is to keep up with the latest trend of game developers using every possible ounce of juice from the hardware they can squeeze without a concern to gameplay or story line.

    Whats with this?

    Perhaps I'm suffering from the Star Wars "isn't as good as it used to be" syndrome..

    1. Re:Graphics by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Perhaps I'm suffering from the Star Wars "isn't as good as it used to be" syndrome..

      No, you're not. Much of PC gaming, with rare exceptions, has become a wanking contest between different 3D engine developers.

    2. Re:Graphics by Eric604 · · Score: 1

      We don't need story lines, we use our imagination.

    3. Re:Graphics by Incoherent07 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Of course. And, of course, since a card of this power is now "mid-range" at $450 MSRP, everyone should have one by now.

      Wait, you mean you DON'T upgrade your $500 video card every 6 months? You mean you've never spent more than $200 on a video card in your entire life and don't really care to? You're obviously not a gamer, we don't have to cater to you, only to our early-adopter ricer customers who feel inferior if they don't have a $4000 Alienware.

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    4. Re:Graphics by deaddrunk · · Score: 1

      I remember the days when game developers had to wring every ounce of performance out of their machine, not code as if everyone had a fking alienware.

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    5. Re:Graphics by StarvingSE · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So true. It took me forever to get through HL2 and Doom3 because after I got over the wow factor, it was just the same old game. I used to be draw to pretty graphics like moths to a light, but not so much anymore.

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    6. Re:Graphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One can only assume that this is to keep up with the latest trend of game developers using every possible ounce of juice from the hardware they can squeeze without a concern to gameplay or story line.

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      Actually you are off the mark, but not by much. Game developers use every possible ounce of juice from the hardware ***that will be out in 12 months from software release*** they can squeeze.

      So even the latest greatest cards are pushed beyond their capability, when all graphics features are maxxed.

      The developers of SWG have actually said this. They put features in the game so that when the better hardware comes out, you can turn them on and get a prettier game.

      Of course those features will be more deluxe by the time the card actually comes out and juiced up for cards 2 generations out. The net result is you never really get to turn on all the graphics features til the game is no longer being published and the hardware catches up.

      L8,
      AC

    7. Re:Graphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. If I want to watch a movie, I'll specifically do so. When I play a game, I want good gameplay, period.

    8. Re:Graphics by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      I don't think the Ricer comparison really holds up. In fact, it's pretty much the opposite.

      Ricer: Loud (both visually and audibly), screams "I'm fast" (just like its owner), but doesn't actually GO fast in 9 out of 10 cases.

      Bleeding-edge Gaming Rig: Virtually silent system that actually does outperform just about anything else on the market.

      I am not myself a true hardware addict (I upgrade maybe once every three years on average, and that's only because I actually need the hardware), but I still find your comparison insulting. :p

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    9. Re:Graphics by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      Actually, the 3D engines still suck just as much as the rest of the games. You just get a sharper, smoother view of the artifacts from the stupid polygons they still use to construct everything. Any supposedly curved 3D model in a game still has freaking corners sticking out all over the place, and the higher the poly count, the more corners there are. There is no legitimate reason for this - NURBS (non-uniform rational bezier spline) technology has been out since last century! Setting aside the near-total lack of original game ideas - there is no excuse for the wretched technical quality of today's 3D engines. Hell, 13 year-old Amiga demos in 64K have a higher eye-candy factor than today's games.

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    10. Re:Graphics by Kojiro+Ganryu+Sasaki · · Score: 1

      "the higher the poly count, the more corners there are" You forgot the countering factor. The higher the poly count, the less visually intrusive each individual corner becomes.

    11. Re:Graphics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bahh... Kotor runs nicely on a 6600 GT with a gig of ram.

      The 6600 GT I got and somehow paid 110 US after rebates. It'll probably be back to the same price and maybe less at years end.

      Get the hardware first and play it. Avoid spoilers like the plague until then.

    12. Re:Graphics by Erpo · · Score: 1

      You're obviously not a gamer

      "You call yourself a gamer? You're not a gamer unless you have a GeForce FX 5900!"
      --nVidia promotional video

    13. Re:Graphics by iainl · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, can you name a title that a current $200 graphics card fails to run? I know I can't. It's only recently (i.e. the release of Battlefield 2) that I've found something that my GeForce 4 won't play.

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    14. Re:Graphics by Savantissimo · · Score: 1

      True, but it seems to get worse instead of better for low poly counts until one gets into the intermediate range - after that it starts to get better. It's mostly noticable in backgrounds these days, but it becomes intrusive when the background element takes up a considerable portion of the display.

      I also neglected to mention the stitching difficulties between NURBS surfaces which can sometimes be as annoying as polygon edges. That can usually be overcome with skiled modeling, though.

      I should also have mentioned subdivision ("Sub-D") modeling as the best way to go since it has the fewest seams and allows a more adaptive display of details based on distance.

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  8. Re:Yeah Right! by gardyloo · · Score: 0

    Oohhh... crap. I just fed a troll. Sorry, all.

  9. Good deal on 7800 gt by afay · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dell has it for 342 + 4 shipping = 346. See the deal at slickdeals.

    Lowest price on pricewatch is 404 after shipping.

    Also, BFG is a good manufacturer to buy from as they have a lifetime warranty. I actually had one of their cards die on me and the RMA process was painless (only had to pay for shipping the card out to them).

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    1. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Techbargains has it down to $331 from dell.

      http://www.techbargains.com/

    2. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by fredistheking · · Score: 1

      Probably the same deal. Sometimes the poster includes shipping in the total cost calculation sometimes they do not.

    3. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's no such thing as a "good deal" on bleeding-edge hardware. There's only "expensive" and "ream me with a stick."

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    4. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "BFG is a good manufacturer to buy from as they have a lifetime warranty. I actually had one of their cards die on me and the RMA process was painless (only had to pay for shipping the card out to them)."

      I don't know about that, i recently went through their RMA process for a defective card OUT OF THE BOX, 3 cards later i think i finally have a good one...

      So 2+months and 3 cards to get a decent replacement hardly counts as painless, but ymmv.

    5. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's misleading. You have to add $11.05 to get the coupon to work, so it really should be listed at 342.05. But since, you'll never find an item for $11.05, you'll end up probably spending a bit more.

    6. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by gfody · · Score: 1

      it's not BFG's fault your fedex delivery guy hates you

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      bite my glorious golden ass.
    7. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I've sworn off of BFG cards. It may just be me but it seems like they use the crappiest fans possible on their cards. None of my friends (nor I) have had one last longer than 9 months, and they always glue the damn things on with thermal epoxy!

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      I read the internet for the articles.
    8. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by Cornflake917 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There's no such thing as a "good deal" on bleeding-edge hardware. There's only "expensive" and "ream me with a stick."

      Hey, maybe some people like getting reamed with a stick.

    9. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      That's bullshit. You can buy it now for $400 or in 6 months for $200. In a year it'll be about $150. Maybe in two years you can find it for $50 in a bargin bin.

      These cards have a lifecycle of about 10 months, maybe a year. 18 months if you aren't a gamer, but, if that were the case, you'd have never bought one anyway.

      So, look at it this way:

      But the card now for $400. Use it for 6 months. Sell it on e-bay for about $200 after that and then spend $400 on another card.

      You've basicly paid $200 for 6 months of having the latest and greatest. That's about $30/month. Hell, most USians spend more that $30 on McDonalds in a given month.

      Really, $30 a month for top of the line gaming isn't too much. In fact, it's pretty cheap if you break it down like that.

      Meanwhile, the rest of you non-gaming fuckers just bitch and moan about paying $400~$500 on a card. It's a good thing you live in your mom's basement; I'd hate to see how you react to buying a $30,000 car or a $1,000,000 house.

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    10. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by trippinonbsd · · Score: 1

      A million for a house? Where do you live, San Francisco? I can find a good house where I live for about $150,000 with property.

    11. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1
      Holy crap! An average house where I live costs ~$300k. Granted, we do have townhouses the street next to me, but the housing boom really sucks when you're looking to buy (and not speculate.) Where do you live, some small town of ~5K people? My city has ~85K people, and I'm sure that if I wanted to live north about 10 miles, a house of similar size would cost near $500k-$750k, depending on if it's close to a lake. And just to give you a reference, I live in Minnesota, not even a costal state!

      In response to other people's comments, however, my Radeon 8500 lasted me about 3 years, and we purchased that thing for about $200. I'm pretty sure that a 6600GT or a 6800 would last just as long.

    12. Re:Good deal on 7800 gt by trippinonbsd · · Score: 1

      Live about 10 minutes from downtown chattanooga, tn. A city of ~155,554 people and a 476,531 people in the metropolitan area according to the wiki.
      Double checked my prices, more like $150k-$200k for a nice two story house w/ propery.

  10. Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still have a GeForce2. And sometimes I think that's overkill.

    1. Re:Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you talk to Jesus because nobody else wants to listen to you?

  11. aarrr, I'll keep me eye on 'em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "keep you eye on retail board specifications.""

  12. "more reasonably priced" != "reasonably priced" by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wake me when the 7600GT arrives, then it'll be time for me to jump to a PCIe platform. I'm happy enough with my NVidia 5900XTV-based system for now. No way am I spending over US$250 for a videocard. I'd prefer under US$200. Once you can play BZFlag at 1600x1200x32 at 85Hz or above, with all options on, and no slowdowns, what more do you really need?

    1. Re:"more reasonably priced" != "reasonably priced" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, professional help is what you need.

    2. Re:"more reasonably priced" != "reasonably priced" by jleq · · Score: 1

      BZFlag is fun, for a while at least. But, the graphics aren't something to benchmark a card by. I'm pretty sure my 486 could run it *very* smoothly.

    3. Re:"more reasonably priced" != "reasonably priced" by jleq · · Score: 1

      Gah, I'm a dumbass. The poster above me said exactly what I was trying to say.

    4. Re:"more reasonably priced" != "reasonably priced" by Eugene · · Score: 1

      a 7600 might be a good idea, since it'll draw even less power and have comparable performan to 6800, however, the price is still a big problem. unless Nvidia kill off the entire 6000 series fast, the price will not drop to the $200 mark.

      I'm in a similar bind, need to get to PCI Express, and unwilling to pay $$$ for such a high performance card. and I do have thermal/power restraint, so I don't think 6800 fits my bill.. (probably going to settle for 6600.. *sigh*)

    5. Re:"more reasonably priced" != "reasonably priced" by tylers · · Score: 1

      >I'm pretty sure my 486 could run it *very* smoothly.

      You'd actually be wrong on that one. I have a Pentium III 1Ghz Laptop that can't play BZFlag at anything but the lowest quality settings. Playing against my roommates in college with their fast desktop graphics cards was always an adventure.

      --Tyler

    6. Re:"more reasonably priced" != "reasonably priced" by Morrigu · · Score: 1

      Running World of Warcraft at 1600x1200x32 @ 85Hz with all options on and no slowdowns... garrrrgh.... drool.... gurgle....

      pH34r T3h w4R10cK!

      Sorry 'bout that. Just getting all, um, warm and fuzzy thinking about it.

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      "We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into the area." - Major Mike Shearer, UK
  13. Mid-level? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From GDHardware.com review:


    NVIDIA's has, in many ways, pulled ahead of ATI's desktop command over the past 6 months or so and recently cemented the deal with its release of the 7800GTX and now the 7800GT at the more "mid-level" price-point.


    Since when did $450 become a "mid-level" price?
    1. Re:Mid-level? by Ubergrendle · · Score: 1

      Since when did $450 become a "mid-level" price?

      Since Nvidia offered exlusive previews to hardware review sites, who will provide at the very least moderate amounts of praise if they want to receive such previews again in the future.

      $450 USD is not mid-level...that would buy you a mid-level PC, not just a video card.

      A 9800Pro or a 6600GT would be considered 'mid-level' or better-than-average performance for most users at this point.

      --
      John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
    2. Re:Mid-level? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when did $450 become a "mid-level" price?

      I guess that's mid-level when the GTX version is retailing for $600.

    3. Re:Mid-level? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, you're speaking from ignorance - sorry, but NVIDIA didn't provide any help in our coverage at all.. we sourced the card ourselves...

      $450 IS mid-level compared to $599 for the GTX version....

      a 9800 Pro is really towards the bottom of the performance pile right now..

      -Duane Pemberton
      GDHardware.com

    4. Re:Mid-level? by Morrigu · · Score: 1

      It's the hidden inflation in the US economy that the administration isn't talking about.

      1998: mid-level graphics card = $150
      2005: mid-level graphics card = $450

      1998: 1800 sq ft single-family home 15 miles outside of Washington DC = $150,000
      2005: 1800 sq ft single-family home 15 miles outside of Washington DC = $400,000

      1998: barrel of oil = $15
      2005: barrel of oil = $60+ ...

      The only things that haven't gone up like this are prices at Wal-Mart and your wages. Good thing you can still buy cheap groceries, TVs and DVDs while living in your rented home and paying $2.50/gallon of gasoline for your car.

      --
      "We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into the area." - Major Mike Shearer, UK
  14. Anandtech review by nigham · · Score: 4, Informative
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    I don't want to read /. I want to go home and re-think my life.
    1. Re:Anandtech review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck Anand.

  15. Half-Life 2 by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Does this mean I can finally get an nVidia card that can run HL2's DirectX 9 codepath decently at a reasonable price? The 6600 (and better) cards have been stuck at at around $150 for quite a while now, and I can't get an ATi card because of the Linux driver situation, so I've been limping along on a GeForce 3...

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    1. Re:Half-Life 2 by thoper · · Score: 1

      the 6800 line runs the dx9 codepath VERY well, the problem was in the 5xxx line, which have a VERY POOR dx9 performance. This was solved in the 6xxx line... so there are nVidia cards that can run the code (they are expensive, but are out there) the good news here is the price drop in the 6xxx line, so you can buy for less than 200$ a 6800 card (vanilla, 12P)

    2. Re:Half-Life 2 by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know about the 5xxx line -- that's why I've been waiting! I just want a 6xxx card (that's not a bottom-of-the-line one (e.g. 6200); I know better than that) for less than $100.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    3. Re:Half-Life 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... I upgraded to a 6600 GT for around $170.

      I don't like wasting that much money on a video card. So I thought about waiting. But the last time I upgraded mine was the year 2000, and the whole point of upgrading is to get something capable of playing HL 2.

    4. Re:Half-Life 2 by bogie · · Score: 1

      Its going to be a while before the 6600GT is less than $100. Although who knows? Maybe by Christmas they'll fade them out and they'll go for a little over a hundred. By the time the good 6800 cards are less than $100 it will be like 3 years from now and you'll only find them on ebay.

      How about this. Put $5 a week into a jar. Before December you'll have like $60 saved. Add on that $90 you were willing to spend and you'll have a solid card.

      Although not to rain on your parade but I've heard that 6600GT's and up require a hefty PSU. Hope you have one of those.

      --
      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
    5. Re:Half-Life 2 by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1

      I've been watching this for a while - you're screwed. Video cards that can do a good job rendering current games never drop below $160 or so - or at least it hasn't happened yet.

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      -- The act of censorship is always worse than whatever is being censored. Always.
    6. Re:Half-Life 2 by Wolfier · · Score: 1

      How does it perform on a GeForce3, DX8 and 1024x768? Altho I don't have time for much gaming, I'm stuck in a similar situation - the GF3 is the only card that has a relative small, quiet fan, supports VIVO, and has *some* pixel shader support.

      I'm still looking for a card with DX9 support, runs at decent speed with as little active cooling as possible, and VIVO.

      NONE of the cards on the market seem to do the job. I figure I'd stick around with a GF3 for a while...

    7. Re:Half-Life 2 by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I don't care about "current games;" I care about Half-Life 2. It and Warcraft 3 are the most graphically-intensive games I play, or even plan to play in the near future. I haven't really seen any game with higher requirements than Half-Life 2 that's a "must have" for me. Except maybe Spore, but I don't think that's coming out any time soon.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    8. Re:Half-Life 2 by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Err... to be honest, I don't know. I've actually been running it on a laptop with a Radeon 7500 because it was my Windows computer, but since I just got rid of that in favor of an iMac I'm going to have to either start dual-booting my Athlon XP desktop, or get Steam working under WINE. I haven't gotten around to it yet, unfortunately.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    9. Re:Half-Life 2 by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 1

      At the moment, Half Life 2 is a current video game.

      What I mean to say is, high end video cards never become low end video cards - they go off the market first and are replaced by new generations of (still expensive) high end video cards.

      If you're actual plan is to wait until a video card that can run HL2 nicely costs less than $100, you'll be waiting about 2 years, and you'll probably end up buying a Nvida 9200 rather than the "Old & Busted" 6600 GT.

      Needless to say, other great games will have come out by 2007, so you'll still have a computer with a crappy old video card. The only way to avoid this is to do what every other gamer does and suck it up:

      A video card that will play last years games decently and this years games poorly: $120.
      A video card that will play this years games decently and next year's games poorly: $160.
      A video card that will play this years games well and next years games decently: $250.
      A video card that will play this years games very well and next years games well: $450.
      Hitting the pattern perfectly so you sell your old card for $200 and buy a new one for $350 every year: priceless.

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      -- The act of censorship is always worse than whatever is being censored. Always.
    10. Re:Half-Life 2 by KillShill · · Score: 1

      it's only been in the last month that nvidia's 6xxx line of cards run hl2 natively in the dx9 code path. the drivers that came out removed the "optimizations" that were put in place since the dreaded 5xxx line.

      nvidia has become the intel/ms of the video card world. not that ati is a saint but it's nowhere near as bad as nv.

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      Science : Proprietary , Knowledge : Open Source
    11. Re:Half-Life 2 by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as far as I can tell nVidia cards suck compared to ATi cards of the same price. However, as a Linux user I have no choice. (Hear that ATi? Make a decent Linux driver and I'll buy your cards!!)

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  16. Dont boy it now, wait until the yields get b by thoper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 7800gt uses the same chip that the 7800gtx uses, but it has a quad disabled, therefore it only got 20 pixel pipelines, but as the 6800 -> 6800ultra rivatuner can unlock the "hidden" pipelines and turn your 7800gt into a 7800gtx. however, the firs cards out are most likely based in the faulty versions of the chip, whit a little time, the probability of found a card fully modeable increases The fact that this mod can be done, with the current version of rivatuner, is a clever move by nvidia, as most of their sales are not in the top of the line cards, but in the mainstreams, so give this possibility to users is a really smart move... I for one will buy myself one as soon as I get a pcie board...

    1. Re:Dont boy it now, wait until the yields get b by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 1

      You write we should "wait for better yields". What? After reading two articles about this card it is my impression these 7800 GT are the left over cards from the 7800 GTX cards, and were the faulty GTX ones (with only seven out of eight pipes working).

      Maybe this is along the very same path as was announced by Sony for the Playstation 3, where the eight vector processors turned into seven (insisting on 'high' yields). Cost per gain.

  17. Also check out the AnandTech Review. by chrestomanci · · Score: 1
  18. You can buy the cards now by Hack+Jandy · · Score: 1

    No paper launch this time, you can buy the cards for $399 already:

    http://labs.anandtech.com/search.php?q=GeForce+780 0GT+-GTX

    HJ

  19. |-|4rd\/\/4r3 is t3h ch1ck |\/|46n37!!one!1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got an Athlon XP 1200 with Radeon 7200 64MB VIVO and 512 MB of RAM

  20. AnandTech RTPE has links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The AnandTech RealTime Price Engine has a compilation of merchant links for the most of the 7800GTs.

    http://labs.anandtech.com/search.php?q=7800gt+-gtx

    zipzoomfly has the pny and xfx 7800GTs at 399 shipped.

  21. Osx? by LittleGuernica · · Score: 1

    The specs say it's compatible with windows, linux and OSX, so can you pop this one in your G5?

    1. Re:Osx? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, ATi just released a card with a universal ROM, so it's possible.

  22. better yields by thoper · · Score: 1

    yes, their are based in the "faulty" 7800gtx chips. the 6800 (vanilla 12 pipelines) is also based in the 6800ultra "faulty" chips, but now in the mayority of the 6800(vanilla) you can activate the disabled parts using rivaruner, and in most cases it turned out that the 16 pipes were fully functional... this leads to the impression that the yields are not as bad, an to satisfice demand they used good chips for the "inferior" line... so, the more you wait, the more likely your 7800gtx have a fully functional chip in it.... nothe that there are also one disabled vertex shader, so, if one vertex shader turns out to be bad, they disabled it and also disable one quad so they can sell the chip as a 7800gt, in this case you get a 24 pipeline, 7 vertex pipe 7800. sorry about the "engrish"

  23. Oh you clicked a link. by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy! I'm the Magical Man from Happy-Land, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane! -- Oh, by the way, I was being sarcastic.

    That's not even a decent attempt to carma whore.
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    I think we can keep recursing like this until someone returns 1
  24. There are pretty big perceptable differences by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I mean any time you go digital/analogue/digital there's going to be some loss. What you tend to get with LCDs on a VGA connector is some ghosting and colour bleed. The clock is never dead-on perfect, and there's always interference, so you have an image that's ok, but the colour isn't as good, things are less sharp, etc. It's not necessarly noticable if you have only one display and it's like that but side-by-side it really gets to you.

    1. Re:There are pretty big perceptable differences by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      Dude, you're channeling me. :-)

      --S

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  25. To play a more complex game in the same rez? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    I mean ok, BZFlag is fun and all but it's really not the epitome of graphics. Try running Half-Life 2 at 1600x1200x32 at 85Hz or the like.

    That's not to say that this high end card is a good value for the money, they never are, however I wouldn't use BZFlag as a roadmap for what's "good enough" in hardware. Now if that's the most complex thing you personally play then great, use it for you, although in that case I'd say a 6600 is probably more than plenty. That doesn't mean that it's generalizable to all gamers though, most of us play games with significantly more complex graphics.

    1. Re:To play a more complex game in the same rez? by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

      Dude, c'mon!

      I guess I really _do_ need to use a smiley for every fucking joke here, don't I? Geez.

  26. Where's the FreeBSD/amd64 driver? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screw Nvidia and their proprietary shit. Until the release the specs (any specs!) I'll keep using passive cooled ATI cards that dri supports. I won't corrupt my pristine kernel with proprietary junk.

  27. H.264 by GoRK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd buy this thing in a second if it did HW accelerated H.264 decoding. I have heard detonator 80.40 includes the features on the 7800 series. Anyone know if this is true or if there is a software player or codec that can take advantage of this?

    1. Re:H.264 by ruyon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even 6200 series is going to get the feature (already got it?). why not more expensive/later model wouldn't? see it for youreself at nvidia's page

    2. Re:H.264 by GoRK · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but I looked all over for information about H.264 regarding the NVIDIA chipsets and all I found was references to MPEG2 and WMV9 -- can you point me to anything more specific? I can already take advantage of HD MPEG2 acceleration even with my lowly FX5200, but now that I've got a HD camcorder and I'm starting to do some HD production work on the desktop, the lack of H.264 acceleration is a pretty big drawback. I find it funny that the only device I have capable of playing H.264 without enormous amouts of processing power is my PSP...

    3. Re:H.264 by default+luser · · Score: 1

      Guess you didn't liook very hard...

      Indications are that this acceleration will be made available for the entire line of 6200 on up, but will probably be initially used as a selling point for the newer cards (probably limited to 7800 series on initial release).

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      Man is the animal that laughs.
      And occasionally whores for Karma.

  28. How to spot a PC ricer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your computer case has more glass windows than your bedroom you might be a ricer.

    If your water cooling plastic tubing comes in 6 different colors you might be a ricer.

    If your power supply has blinking neon lights you might be a ricer.

    If the inside of your case has better lighting than the inside of your house you might be a ricer.

    If your computer case costs more than your motherboard you might be a ricer.

    If you overclock your midrange videocard you might be a ricer.

  29. Doom 3 wants 512 for ultra quality textures. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1
    Playing at that resolution (2 gig of main memory) is just a little choppy on my 6800GT with 256MB. Expected for all the DMA that's going on.

    I have'nt run into any other games that would get much benefit from the larger memory.

    Further you have to look real close (at 1600x1200) to see the difference between high and ultra quality textures. Just not much point.

    512MB midrange might be five years away.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  30. Typo by AnotherSimilarToIt · · Score: 1

    "Overall it's performance was impressive..."

    So it = performance? Finally, a pure performance PU.

  31. The truth shouldn't be marked flamebait. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to worry Nom du Keyboard, others remember as well. To the petty loosers who modded the truth down, nice try, but it didn't work.

  32. Re:Yeah Right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be new here!

  33. Performance formulas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nvidia:
    Performance in Linux = Performance in Windows/2

    ati:
    Performance in Linux = Performance in Windows/10

  34. Finally! 6600GT is in college-student price range by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

    I guess this means that the 6600GT is going to go down in price, meaning that I can upgrade from my X300SE to something that is supported under Linux (meaning lets me watch DVD's under Linux). I think I'll wait a few months, see if Newegg keeps them in stock or has a clearance on them. Or who knows, maybe we'll see a flood of discounted video cards on ebay?

  35. Crappy Review by j.bellone · · Score: 0

    The second I saw Half-Life 2 listed as an OpenGL game I was turned off to this review. These guys need to get their shit straight, especially on the games that they are using to conduct these "benchmark" tests.

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  36. Geeks by Sinju · · Score: 1

    People who like to keep the bleeding edge technology (weather is it useful or not) like to have the newest... bigest... badest hardware out there. There are people who would laugh at us though and say we are paying to much for just a computer :S. These people oviously do not understand anything about computing and gaming though it may be a bit pricy it is like a hobby. Those of us who buy computer parts all the time are no different then those who buy Warhammer Pieces which cost a fortune. If you don't know what this is no worries a link is here.

  37. The end of AGP? by Arramol · · Score: 1

    Looks like they're not too keen on offering support for AGP motherboards. I had hoped they'd support it for one more generation so I wouldn't have to replace the motherboard on my year-old computer to get a really nice video card. Anyone in the same boat?