Funny is, it irritates you and thanks for openly saying it.
What bothered me (and what is funny) is this. The GTK and QT theme stuff.
Coders won't understand it, it really bothers end users to have programs looking amazingly different from eachother.
I got sick of it but the "Aqua" (which I replace by OS X shapeshifter) is the real "Key" to making OS X most easily used unix. Whatever program you use looks same. Even "shapeshifter" feels the need to hack system dynamically to apply "same theme" to every single program user uses.
I know lots of coders,including OS X ones who does not understand why it bothers end user that much.
I think I better tell it open. Yes, there should be a simple tick (no.rc hacks please!) in both Gnome and KDE preferences to make eachother use same,exact look.
Also, if user prefers NeXT like window manager (pure one, not on gnome) like WindowMaker, it should also look somehow same. Both KDE and Gnome people should find a way that when WindowMaker or AfterStep launches a GTK or QT application, it should not look like "Microsoft virtual PC" running.
Also telling from OS X land, people _hates_ metallic look. It is the main problem on OS X too. There are people buying Unsanity Shapeshifter just to make the "metal" go.
(I agree to some posters, it should be a "ask slashdot" question)
Did Google create a cult we are not aware of?
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I see everyone switching to gmail from their good working ISP mail or other providers.
I can't see a point here. All I see (as advantage) is POP3 but you give Google right to harvest your personal mails for that. Is it OK for you? OK, next time don't jump up and down when poor shareware tries to check for updates over net as "Spy!!!"
For example, when I gave up Spamcop mail, I checked around and there are marvellous and amazing sites just dedicated to mail. One could be http://fastmail.fm/
As a "geek" you must check that and you will be surprised I bet. I mean, at least they offer TLS IMAP and TLS SMTP. It is 2006, come on!
So why people advertising google for free? I mean, like some sort of "googleogy" has been founded and I was offline during that... Let me in, I want to join too!:)
I use Yahoo mail since '98. If they offer secure IMAP and SMTP for the price, I will even buy "premium" one.
We can't make ISPs use IMAP, amazing but true. If it comes to "using another 3rd provider", that is the time I DEMAND it.
If I cared really much about OSS, I would not buy a G5 1600 and use OS X on it. I'd stay on Slackware on x86.
But dual boot feature of Linux and the 90% of people dual booting to windows fades that chance at home too. They (companies) simply say "boot into windows".
As a G5 1600 owner, I say a simple thing and always get flamed by Apple fanatics.
If I buy an x86 (read:Intel), I build my OWN one and install whatever latest Windows available on it with a big suite of security programs and enjoy my freedom with download.com stuff.
This was the thing we "zealots" warned against, this was the exact thing where Apple headed when they announced Mactel.
Apple is the maker of iPod and owner of Music Store. Nothing else after Mactel.
Well, all my licensed programs are from MAC software houses, I wouldn't care less even if "Leopard" turns out to be a freaking shareware shell running on Windows.
I "tried" to use Linux on home desktop, you know... With games,multimedia etc. I figured a bit later that dual boot is the worst thing ever happened to Linux.
Ask anyone for Linux support, they would reply "You know LILO settings?" or "Aren't you dual booting?"
OS 2 on other hand DIED because it was running Windows 3.1 BETTER than MS-DOS does.
All I say is, it was fun using a Mac for 3 years...
I know it will hit -1 but anyway, those "flamebait" (How dare he bitches about our cult leader!) posts are archived too...
Sorry for confusion I mistakenly created. It was a "slashdot comment" I saw, not a Wiki article.
I just wanted to give example of blind "fanaticism" and told the very high possibility that guy may have a Wiki account too and may easily put those statements.
Of course it would be reverted fast. Just imagine what would be happening you are unlucky to see that statement by the time you need "real" info.
I hope CmdrTaco will cover your losses since you must have lost very critical, up to date information on "Slashdot Information Site" because of this very unserious story.
How dare they post such a thing on a serious, mission critical information site such as Slashdot on April 2?
The problem with Wikipedia can be easily understood if you are using Slashdot in regular basis.
FANATICS and ZEALOTS.
E.g. while reading an article about Apple Computer, for example recent fight with Beatles Record company, I have even seen people attacking the record company as some "crook company" "not doing anything". Erm, they own the rights of 165 million selling (just in USA!) Beatles.
Now, that same comment owner as these are "web 2.0" fashion days must have a Wikipedia account. Somehow you may need a very critical info about Apple Computers which _should be_ neutral as it can be.
Just imagine you read the "info" written by that person and rely on it.
That is the problem.
Oh BTW, IMHO Brittanica should make use of bittorrent technology and make site "totally same as the DVD set". That time, people will pay for it. People hates waiting for FedEx or DHL to deliver the freaking "plastic". That is the problem.
Unless these morons (both MPAA and the legal DL sites) figure there is a LEGIT, ORIGINAL buying community got sick of waiting for DVD "plastic" to watch them on their computer OUTSIDE of "America", I wouldn't care less.
Also as WMV and RealVideo, Quicktime supports 5.1 sound for ages, if you pay the same money as Dolby Digital or DTS DVD to a stereo download, you have been err.. what was the term?:)
If it is kind of hard to understand why a random guy on Slashdot got real mad about the situation
1) Consider you want to watch a Region 2 DVD , you don't care about the region fight. 2) Go to Amazon.co.uk, turn OFF "one click" feature and.. 3) Put couple of DVDs in your shopping list 4) Fill in the delivery form as you live in Istanbul,Turkey or some other European country outside UK 5) Look to "shipping and handling" cost and be amazed. If you have only 1 DVD on that list, it will be generally HIGHER than the Movies original cost.
Step 6 is generally launching a pirate client and download the freaking movie. As a guy in industry, I don't. Can't blame others if they would in current amazingly stupid scheme of things.
Re:When's the new Badfinger album coming out?
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Everyone knows if Sony wasn't amazingly stupid, ATRAC3 would be the standard, not mp3. ATRAC3 is (still) a VERY expensive alghorithm and your generic Taiwan companies can't afford it even if they wanted to.
MP3 is "proprietary" too. Just because every company on earth paid for mp3 royalty, it doesn't mean it is some sort of "public domain".
If Sony figures the mistake they are wasting the great ATRAC3+ format one day, I will use ATRAC3.
Until then, every file here are AAC (my cds ripped) and the streams here are RealAudio 8/10 (10 high bandwidth is aac too). I don't waste bandwidth over mp3 or piracy.
If I am sure I will have opportunity to listen them "pure", e.g. no public bus passing by (for example,nature walk), I will use my JVC minidisc portable and record the original CD via S/PDIF input.
For noisy environments and "simple" music, there is my Aiwa (sony) Walkman. I would go and buy the album in cassette format. No need for hassle.
Quicktime 7 works perfect on Windows 2000, 6 year old system. I know since many video edit stations run Windows 2000 for stability.
"Same" program does need OS X 10.3.9 to function properly (last build of 10.3.x panther) and it will be "OS suicide" if you even hack/try installing on Jaguar, RELEASED 2002.
Here is a random quote from a mail list
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Well NY Times is looking to WRONG example IMHO. Windows client empire on enterprise is because of backward compatability.
Here is a random quote I saw on a $10 level (yes TEN) OS X shareware. Not naming it of course but developer is hopeless, he/she can't simply code for both 10.2.8 and 10.3.9+. No time and OS X is literally a moving target.
I "learned" this evil backward compatability as an end user flaming "developers" for a fault they didn't make.
"This is in response to some of the guff directed at me over the last several weeks for having the audacity to complain that those of us still using OS 10.2.8 have been abandoned by the (removed) developers in their updates and to suggest that a refund of our purchase price for the software would seem appropriate."
(addition)
"Not only do the updates not work on my OS 10.2.8 system, but the preferences on the version (removed) does not work too".
This happens for a cheap software coded by independent developer. Now imagine company names like "Adobe", "Lotus" etc.
NY Times _must have_ a software, client coded in VB 6 somewhere. For example, they want it ceasing function so it will run on "new windows"? They may look for accountant department etc, VB 6 clients are common in such stuff. Oh BTW, it is common and it works, no "code elitism" please.
Not using Paypal (ex spamcop mail user)
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Spamcop.net is still free for reporting but it gives extra features when you pay, especially when you have mail account there.
I reported every single paypal phishing mail to Paypal. Paypal was even refusing them for sometime, they reenabled them.
As I have guts (in fact, since I use OS X) I kept on checking the sites I reported using report history feature. Even after a WEEK later, the phishing sites were well and alive asking for paypal account details.
98% of users has no sort of "sense of security" on Mobile platforms, just see what happens when Frisk tries to inform how dangerous Symbian malware could be. They are not taken serious, and even people claim they sell "snake oil." A company like F-Prot.. Sigh btw.
Yesterday I had a very suspicious "new net settings received" apparently from Turkcell, my mobile provider. As I know GPRS is mostly DHCP and I did not ask any kind of settings; I refused to install settings. I wonder what would "Joe Public" do.
With a company like PayPal who ignores FREE security reports which other companies pay for, I have major suspicion about this new invention and I am afraid if something happens, it will hurt sense of security on Mobile platform (J2ME).
The reason for many people using that "Windows" while they choose Mac paying the "OS X" tax (in current mactel situation) is lack of compatability of Office used software (not MS Office).
The companies who are coding the software which would code OS X compatible clients in future must have cancelled their plans and stopped hiring OS X/Cocoa and Carbon developers since they have the PERFECT excuse now: "It can boot into XP and there is WINE". Just like Linux/Lilo case.
If dual boot and wine gets to a very mature point, OS X native games which uses industry standards like OpenGL and OpenAL or pure genius SDKs like "Core Audio" will be part of history soon. I mean the "ported" games.
Games will NOT have official remark on their case of course saying "hack your mac and run Vista". They will somehow "unofficially" have support.
Dual booting or WINE compatability has amazingly hurt Linux desktop.
(btw I run Mac G5 only and will only upgrade to quad G5 in months, I'd care less about using Intel CPU)
Congratulations for finally announcing end user computer usable drives.
I say one thing:
If there is no Mac OS X support with external Firewire/USB on the products of first bench, you lost it. Call your Movie/Music division to ask why.
This warning may sound needless but it is. Pick up those cool corparate phones you have and better call 1-800-MY-APPLE , OS X device driver team/3rd party products office now.
People may think this is a needless message but we should also post a message warning them not to install a hacking tool to their paying audio CD consumers.:)
Slashdot Mirror
This is the oldest misinformed crap on slashdot for ages. Someone says "QT", people jumps "trolltech, license".
If you make money from your software, by SELLING it, sorry but they will charge for the SDK you use. Sorry, they are human beings, they need to eat.
If you don't make money, it is GPL.
I sometimes agree to BillG point of view, you really know what I mean...
Funny is, it irritates you and thanks for openly saying it.
.rc hacks please!) in both Gnome and KDE preferences to make eachother use same,exact look.
What bothered me (and what is funny) is this. The GTK and QT theme stuff.
Coders won't understand it, it really bothers end users to have programs looking amazingly different from eachother.
I got sick of it but the "Aqua" (which I replace by OS X shapeshifter) is the real "Key" to making OS X most easily used unix. Whatever program you use looks same. Even "shapeshifter" feels the need to hack system dynamically to apply "same theme" to every single program user uses.
I know lots of coders,including OS X ones who does not understand why it bothers end user that much.
I think I better tell it open. Yes, there should be a simple tick (no
Also, if user prefers NeXT like window manager (pure one, not on gnome) like WindowMaker, it should also look somehow same. Both KDE and Gnome people should find a way that when WindowMaker or AfterStep launches a GTK or QT application, it should not look like "Microsoft virtual PC" running.
Also telling from OS X land, people _hates_ metallic look. It is the main problem on OS X too. There are people buying Unsanity Shapeshifter just to make the "metal" go.
(I agree to some posters, it should be a "ask slashdot" question)
I see everyone switching to gmail from their good working ISP mail or other providers.
:)
I can't see a point here. All I see (as advantage) is POP3 but you give Google right to harvest your personal mails for that. Is it OK for you? OK, next time don't jump up and down when poor shareware tries to check for updates over net as "Spy!!!"
For example, when I gave up Spamcop mail, I checked around and there are marvellous and amazing sites just dedicated to mail. One could be http://fastmail.fm/
As a "geek" you must check that and you will be surprised I bet. I mean, at least they offer TLS IMAP and TLS SMTP. It is 2006, come on!
So why people advertising google for free? I mean, like some sort of "googleogy" has been founded and I was offline during that... Let me in, I want to join too!
I use Yahoo mail since '98. If they offer secure IMAP and SMTP for the price, I will even buy "premium" one.
We can't make ISPs use IMAP, amazing but true. If it comes to "using another 3rd provider", that is the time I DEMAND it.
If I cared really much about OSS, I would not buy a G5 1600 and use OS X on it. I'd stay on Slackware on x86.
But dual boot feature of Linux and the 90% of people dual booting to windows fades that chance at home too. They (companies) simply say "boot into windows".
Those "graphics markets" and media sees "mac is dead" after Mactel announced and bargaining with companies like AVID to move to Windows solutions.
This is the exact reason why they called Mac is not competing anymore. First Mactel and now "boot camp".
Game developers turned to be right on not coding for OS X.
If they hired coders knowing OpenGL, OpenAL etc and Cocoa, paid them for 3 years, today they would check slashdot and see these news.
As a PowerPC G5 owner, I can only respect their wise decision not trusting to an ex computer company which turned out to be an iPod manufacturer.
As a G5 1600 owner, I say a simple thing and always get flamed by Apple fanatics.
If I buy an x86 (read:Intel), I build my OWN one and install whatever latest Windows available on it with a big suite of security programs and enjoy my freedom with download.com stuff.
This was the thing we "zealots" warned against, this was the exact thing where Apple headed when they announced Mactel.
Apple is the maker of iPod and owner of Music Store. Nothing else after Mactel.
OS X is based on FreeBSD and X11 is a *nix GUI.
It is sort of amazing you people can DARE to compare x11 (xwindows) to windows.
IT departments will allow 30% higher price PCs since they have a giant Apple logo on that and the terminal owner "Likes Apple" because of iPod?
This is slashdot, not macslash. Please!
With a fanatic, zealot, blind community and "customers" (cult members) like this, Apple can do ANYTHING and you would still post same posts.
It became a really disgusting platform to work on really.
Don't forget to prepare your post when "OS X" becomes a SHELL over Windows Vista.
This is end of Macintosh as we know it.
Well, all my licensed programs are from MAC software houses, I wouldn't care less even if "Leopard" turns out to be a freaking shareware shell running on Windows.
I "tried" to use Linux on home desktop, you know... With games,multimedia etc. I figured a bit later that dual boot is the worst thing ever happened to Linux.
Ask anyone for Linux support, they would reply "You know LILO settings?" or "Aren't you dual booting?"
OS 2 on other hand DIED because it was running Windows 3.1 BETTER than MS-DOS does.
All I say is, it was fun using a Mac for 3 years...
I know it will hit -1 but anyway, those "flamebait" (How dare he bitches about our cult leader!) posts are archived too...
welcome.x86 ;)
Hi,
Sorry for confusion I mistakenly created. It was a "slashdot comment" I saw, not a Wiki article.
I just wanted to give example of blind "fanaticism" and told the very high possibility that guy may have a Wiki account too and may easily put those statements.
Of course it would be reverted fast. Just imagine what would be happening you are unlucky to see that statement by the time you need "real" info.
I hope CmdrTaco will cover your losses since you must have lost very critical, up to date information on "Slashdot Information Site" because of this very unserious story.
How dare they post such a thing on a serious, mission critical information site such as Slashdot on April 2?
I bet your lawyers will call "Mr. Zonk" soon!
The problem with Wikipedia can be easily understood if you are using Slashdot in regular basis.
FANATICS and ZEALOTS.
E.g. while reading an article about Apple Computer, for example recent fight with Beatles Record company, I have even seen people attacking the record company as some "crook company" "not doing anything". Erm, they own the rights of 165 million selling (just in USA!) Beatles.
Now, that same comment owner as these are "web 2.0" fashion days must have a Wikipedia account. Somehow you may need a very critical info about Apple Computers which _should be_ neutral as it can be.
Just imagine you read the "info" written by that person and rely on it.
That is the problem.
Oh BTW, IMHO Brittanica should make use of bittorrent technology and make site "totally same as the DVD set". That time, people will pay for it. People hates waiting for FedEx or DHL to deliver the freaking "plastic". That is the problem.
Unless these morons (both MPAA and the legal DL sites) figure there is a LEGIT, ORIGINAL buying community got sick of waiting for DVD "plastic" to watch them on their computer OUTSIDE of "America", I wouldn't care less.
:)
Also as WMV and RealVideo, Quicktime supports 5.1 sound for ages, if you pay the same money as Dolby Digital or DTS DVD to a stereo download, you have been err.. what was the term?
If it is kind of hard to understand why a random guy on Slashdot got real mad about the situation
1) Consider you want to watch a Region 2 DVD , you don't care about the region fight.
2) Go to Amazon.co.uk, turn OFF "one click" feature and..
3) Put couple of DVDs in your shopping list
4) Fill in the delivery form as you live in Istanbul,Turkey or some other European country outside UK
5) Look to "shipping and handling" cost and be amazed. If you have only 1 DVD on that list, it will be generally HIGHER than the Movies original cost.
Step 6 is generally launching a pirate client and download the freaking movie. As a guy in industry, I don't. Can't blame others if they would in current amazingly stupid scheme of things.
Owning rights of the number 1 on that http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp list makes them a VERY relevant producer entity.
In case you are afraid of RIAA site or boycott it, I paste it:
BEATLES, THE 168.5 million "certified" units JUST IN USA.
ATRAC is at version 3 (and higher on Hi-MD)
First, don't spit out memorized stuff here.
Everyone knows if Sony wasn't amazingly stupid, ATRAC3 would be the standard, not mp3. ATRAC3 is (still) a VERY expensive alghorithm and your generic Taiwan companies can't afford it even if they wanted to.
Here is an article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATRAC , if it gets "mysteriously edited", the real ATRAC3 official page is:
http://www.sony.net/Products/ATRAC3/
I would not bother replying if you didn't tell an amazing thing like Mp3 sounds better than ATRAC3 or ATRAC3 is "worst".
MP3 is "proprietary" too. Just because every company on earth paid for mp3 royalty, it doesn't mean it is some sort of "public domain".
If Sony figures the mistake they are wasting the great ATRAC3+ format one day, I will use ATRAC3.
Until then, every file here are AAC (my cds ripped) and the streams here are RealAudio 8/10 (10 high bandwidth is aac too). I don't waste bandwidth over mp3 or piracy.
If I am sure I will have opportunity to listen them "pure", e.g. no public bus passing by (for example,nature walk), I will use my JVC minidisc portable and record the original CD via S/PDIF input.
For noisy environments and "simple" music, there is my Aiwa (sony) Walkman. I would go and buy the album in cassette format. No need for hassle.
". Shock resistance? Hmmm...constant vibrations for few minutes will be hazardious to you sooner than playback will skip. "
You miss the parent "mp3 fans" ignorance about the subject. Better say it.
EVERY MD PLAYER ON EARTH HAS SHOCK RESISTANCE AND BUFFER BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE SPEC.
Simplest example ever for comparison with MS.
Quicktime 7 works perfect on Windows 2000, 6 year old system. I know since many video edit stations run Windows 2000 for stability.
"Same" program does need OS X 10.3.9 to function properly (last build of 10.3.x panther) and it will be "OS suicide" if you even hack/try installing on Jaguar, RELEASED 2002.
Well NY Times is looking to WRONG example IMHO. Windows client empire on enterprise is because of backward compatability.
Here is a random quote I saw on a $10 level (yes TEN) OS X shareware. Not naming it of course but developer is hopeless, he/she can't simply code for both 10.2.8 and 10.3.9+. No time and OS X is literally a moving target.
I "learned" this evil backward compatability as an end user flaming "developers" for a fault they didn't make.
"This is in response to some of the guff directed at me over the last several
weeks for having the audacity to complain that those of us still using OS 10.2.8
have been abandoned by the (removed) developers in their updates and to suggest
that a refund of our purchase price for the software would seem appropriate."
(addition)
"Not only do the updates not work on my OS 10.2.8 system, but the preferences on
the version (removed) does not work too".
This happens for a cheap software coded by independent developer. Now imagine company names like "Adobe", "Lotus" etc.
NY Times _must have_ a software, client coded in VB 6 somewhere. For example, they want it ceasing function so it will run on "new windows"? They may look for accountant department etc, VB 6 clients are common in such stuff. Oh BTW, it is common and it works, no "code elitism" please.
Spamcop.net is still free for reporting but it gives extra features when you pay, especially when you have mail account there.
I reported every single paypal phishing mail to Paypal. Paypal was even refusing them for sometime, they reenabled them.
As I have guts (in fact, since I use OS X) I kept on checking the sites I reported using report history feature. Even after a WEEK later, the phishing sites were well and alive asking for paypal account details.
98% of users has no sort of "sense of security" on Mobile platforms, just see what happens when Frisk tries to inform how dangerous Symbian malware could be. They are not taken serious, and even people claim they sell "snake oil." A company like F-Prot.. Sigh btw.
Yesterday I had a very suspicious "new net settings received" apparently from Turkcell, my mobile provider. As I know GPRS is mostly DHCP and I did not ask any kind of settings; I refused to install settings. I wonder what would "Joe Public" do.
With a company like PayPal who ignores FREE security reports which other companies pay for, I have major suspicion about this new invention and I am afraid if something happens, it will hurt sense of security on Mobile platform (J2ME).
The reason for many people using that "Windows" while they choose Mac paying the "OS X" tax (in current mactel situation) is lack of compatability of Office used software (not MS Office).
The companies who are coding the software which would code OS X compatible clients in future must have cancelled their plans and stopped hiring OS X/Cocoa and Carbon developers since they have the PERFECT excuse now: "It can boot into XP and there is WINE". Just like Linux/Lilo case.
If dual boot and wine gets to a very mature point, OS X native games which uses industry standards like OpenGL and OpenAL or pure genius SDKs like "Core Audio" will be part of history soon. I mean the "ported" games.
Games will NOT have official remark on their case of course saying "hack your mac and run Vista". They will somehow "unofficially" have support.
Dual booting or WINE compatability has amazingly hurt Linux desktop.
(btw I run Mac G5 only and will only upgrade to quad G5 in months, I'd care less about using Intel CPU)
It is a common misconception that Spyware/Adware programmers are "lamer", "script kiddie" types.
They are advanced programmers which reads slashdot, post to usenet etc too.
They are just "evil" or don't have/believe in ethics.
Congratulations for finally announcing end user computer usable drives.
:)
I say one thing:
If there is no Mac OS X support with external Firewire/USB on the products of first bench, you lost it. Call your Movie/Music division to ask why.
This warning may sound needless but it is. Pick up those cool corparate phones you have and better call 1-800-MY-APPLE , OS X device driver team/3rd party products office now.
People may think this is a needless message but we should also post a message warning them not to install a hacking tool to their paying audio CD consumers.