People get bullied (and commit suicide and/or kill the people that bullied them). It's really unfortunate.
But 2 years? Any fine over $50 bucks?
These are just signs of the prison industry run rampant. For god's sake this "free country" imprisons people left and right compared to the rest of the world because it is profitable and because we can afford it and because it provides states a pseudo slave labor for public works projects.
The WORLD economy is in the craphole because of the massive debt that has been leveraged against insolvent debtors.
Basically the entire world invested in "AAA" bonds and the entire world lost an as yet unknown amount of money burned up on $1,000 bottles of booze and $560,000 payments on housing worth $300,000 (or less). Now the entire world is scared to invest in *anything* because they can't trust the rating services.
MSN announces the first official U.S. release of MSN Music. Microsoft also announces that MSN Music will be available in eight additional countries, creating the world's largest network of legal online music download services.
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August 31, 2008 Microsoft is ceasing support for its MSN Music service. After August 31, 2008, people who have bought music from the service will no longer be able to move that music to different computers, or even change the operating system on their current computers.
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So play's for sure... lasted slightly under 4 years. Then you have to buy it all again. And this is from an enormous multi-billion dollar corporation that is still in good financial health. Apparently Microsoft is no Sears when it comes to this kind of support.
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And our other example of DRM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX The DIVX rental system was created in 1998 in time for the holiday season and was discontinued on June 16, 1999 due to the costs of introducing the format, as well as its very limited acceptance by the general public. Over the next two years the DIVX system was phased out. Customers could still view all their DIVX discs and were given a $100 refund for every player that was purchased before June 16, 1999. All discs that were unsold at the end of the summer of 1999 were destroyed. The program officially cut off access to accounts on July 7, 2001.
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How can consumers be so bloody stupid? They have two clear examples of perfectly good product being killed in less than 5 years by DRM so they had to buy it again. And yet they are letting governments and the entertainment industry stick it to them and even contemplate prison and unreasonable fines for trying to avoid being screwed.
I do not think Hillary + Obama is electable vs McCain.
Hillary is best served by stepping aside, supporting Obama like hell, Moving solidly to the center in the Senate and mending fences with all the people who would vote for anyone against her.
She might have a chance to be president in 8 years but not today. She would take Obama down with her as a V.P. OTH, she can really boost Obama if she chooses too (and convert some anti-Hillary people in the process).
I was impressed with her doggedness and fighting spirit. We need that kind of grit in a president. I just don't like how far left she is. I don't mind left wing policies per se, it's just that we can't afford them any more. The til is empty due to the republican overspending.
While I view Microsoft as evil, and frequently illegal, and frequently amoral, and wanting to get my money through lockin, oddly I do still feel that they care about my needs.
They are like some sort of evil parent that loves you but doesn't want you to grow up and go out on your own life.
The next milestone was the Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. Excel was originally written for the 512K Apple Macintosh in 1984-1985. Excel was one of the first spreadsheets to use a graphical interface with pull down menus and a point and click capability using a mouse pointing device. The Excel spreadsheet with a graphical user interface was easier for most people to use than the command line interface of PC-DOS spreadsheet products. Many people bought Apple Macintoshes so that they could use Bill Gates' Excel spreadsheet program. There is some controversy about whether a graphical version of Microsoft Excel was released in a DOS version. Microsoft documents show the launch of Excel 2.0 for MS-DOS version 3.0 on 10/31/87.
When Microsoft launched the Windows operating system in 1987, Excel was one of the first application products released for it. When Windows finally gained wide acceptance with Version 3.0 in late 1989 Excel was Microsoft's flagship product. For nearly 3 years, Excel remained the only Windows spreadsheet program and it has only received competition from other spreadsheet products since the summer of 1992.
By the late 1980s many companies had introduced spreadsheet products. Spreadsheet products and the spreadsheet software industry were maturing. Microsoft and Bill Gates had joined the fray with the innovative Excel spreadsheet. Lotus had acquired Software Arts and the rights to VisiCalc. Jim Manzi had become CEO at Lotus in April 1986 and in July 1986 Mitch Kapor resigned as Chairman of the Board. The spreadsheet entrepreneurs were moving on...
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Regardless, these memories of "dos isn't done until lotus doesn't run" go back to the 80's when I was in my 20's. It is not from slashdot period and it was widely known that Microsoft played dirty back then.
So they either have awesome virus scanners, Or they reinstall regularly Or they use very robust scanners that are some how immune to the various injection attacks. Or they are horribly infected.
The problem with this "rumor" is that everyone in my user's group was saying this over 20 years ago.
They can convince those who were not alive or who were not there but it was viewed no differently than the Win3.11 failure for DR.Dos back then. It wasn't even refuted back then. It was just accepted that Excel would work and Lotus would not for a while when a new version of DOS came out.
It is really weird to see how effectively they are papering over history.
Yup... and you can do it military or you can do it internally by outbreeding (hispanics in the us, islamics in europe, palestinians in isreal, etc...).
That's why ultimately, I think a pro-breeding culture will prevail and as a race we will breed to collapse.
As far as the Certification cheating API thing... a google link turns up this...
Slashdot | RTF Vs. OOXML In fact, look up how it went down for Word95 and Windows 98. Word violated the api standards but was given the "approved" mark anyway.... slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/03/1347236 - 119k - Cached - Similar pages
You can say all day long what GPL is *supposed* to mean. But in the end, we've seen many stupid cases where what the lawyers and judges ignorant of technology redefined the entire document by putting a particular spin on a particular section. We see this with the constitution too. There is very little precedent for these documents yet so it is still flexible-- and even when there is precedent, occasionally a random lawyer will think of some new spin- get it to the supreme court in a state or country and have everything overturned.
I generally agree with everyone on our common understanding of GPL myself. But if it is in a lawyer's financial interest to understand it differently, then they will do so.
You could hit that very easily just with WOW or EQ updates. Even single picture attachments can run 5mb these days.
That service would be worth about $10 a month to me.
This idea is about as dumb as my companies limit of 100mb for email (as compared to 5gb to unlimited for each of all my free email accounts.) Someone sends me just about anything and I get a notice that my mailbox quota is exceeded.
"As a developer, you're always needing to learn new things to stay relevant in the market."
That's the problem I have. As an old hand, I remember when languages were stable for 10 to 15 years. Since 2000, it seems like they are stable under 2 years. I really dislike *always* feeling ignorant.
So I quit and went into project & resource management which pays more and which is stable.
I don't see a lot of "value add" to all these various languages as a person or as a business. We have projects that were rapidly developed but now they are equally rapidly obsolete and unmaintainable. Just last month, I was meeting with a helpless executive who had a project written in something popular only 4 years ago for which we no longer have programmers. He needed some legally required changes made and there was just no way to do it.
It could also be seen as christian ("Many hands make light work") or many other organizations of people of good will.
What breaks "communism" is evil human nature. What makes communism work is good human nature.
And the exact same thing can be said for capitalism and democracy. We are witnessing the destruction of both because the loss of reasonableness and good will by corporations and people of power.
This is interesting because our internal vb6/microsoft people say that it is no longer tested for new patches to dll's shared with other microsoft products which are not end of life. It was they who said there is a risk that any new patch could kill the product and so we should test every patch before installing it to production machines. And that there is a reasonable chance that at some point we will have a patch that must be installed that can't be installed.
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If you post that question again, I'm going to post a hostile post telling you to shut up.
.... ONLY.... I could edit this post ... but it's slashdot not one of a million other boards where I could edit it after I posted!!!
uh oh... NOOOOOOOooo. I'm going to prison for two years!
IF
stupid stupid stupid.
People get bullied (and commit suicide and/or kill the people that bullied them). It's really unfortunate.
But 2 years? Any fine over $50 bucks?
These are just signs of the prison industry run rampant. For god's sake this "free country" imprisons people left and right compared to the rest of the world because it is profitable and because we can afford it and because it provides states a pseudo slave labor for public works projects.
One basic fact to consider is that people's income is very relative.
Right now, a lot of people make $100k. So getting a year of their work costs $100k.
If we had a big collapse and $20k would get you a house, food, etc. then a lot of projects suddenly become feasible because labor costs drop.
The problem is holding debt from before the income crash.
I'd correct one thing..
The WORLD economy is in the craphole because of the massive debt that has been leveraged against insolvent debtors.
Basically the entire world invested in "AAA" bonds and the entire world lost an as yet unknown amount of money burned up on $1,000 bottles of booze and $560,000 payments on housing worth $300,000 (or less). Now the entire world is scared to invest in *anything* because they can't trust the rating services.
Maths = Math class.
I liked this one since I heard it.
The product is the show or song- not the DRM wrapped product.
And thus... a potential new Slashdot meme dies an early death downmodded to oblivion.
Anonymous...we hardly new ye.
lol.
News from the Web...
Oct. 12, 2004
MSN announces the first official U.S. release of MSN Music. Microsoft also announces that MSN Music will be available in eight additional countries, creating the world's largest network of legal online music download services.
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August 31, 2008
Microsoft is ceasing support for its MSN Music service. After August 31, 2008, people who have bought music from the service will no longer be able to move that music to different computers, or even change the operating system on their current computers.
---
So play's for sure... lasted slightly under 4 years. Then you have to buy it all again. And this is from an enormous multi-billion dollar corporation that is still in good financial health. Apparently Microsoft is no Sears when it comes to this kind of support.
---
And our other example of DRM:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
The DIVX rental system was created in 1998 in time for the holiday season and was discontinued on June 16, 1999 due to the costs of introducing the format, as well as its very limited acceptance by the general public. Over the next two years the DIVX system was phased out. Customers could still view all their DIVX discs and were given a $100 refund for every player that was purchased before June 16, 1999. All discs that were unsold at the end of the summer of 1999 were destroyed. The program officially cut off access to accounts on July 7, 2001.
---
How can consumers be so bloody stupid? They have two clear examples of perfectly good product being killed in less than 5 years by DRM so they had to buy it again. And yet they are letting governments and the entertainment industry stick it to them and even contemplate prison and unreasonable fines for trying to avoid being screwed.
I do not think Hillary + Obama is electable vs McCain.
Hillary is best served by stepping aside, supporting Obama like hell, Moving solidly to the center in the Senate and mending fences with all the people who would vote for anyone against her.
She might have a chance to be president in 8 years but not today. She would take Obama down with her as a V.P.
OTH, she can really boost Obama if she chooses too (and convert some anti-Hillary people in the process).
I was impressed with her doggedness and fighting spirit. We need that kind of grit in a president. I just don't like how far left she is. I don't mind left wing policies per se, it's just that we can't afford them any more. The til is empty due to the republican overspending.
thank goodness Hillary wasn't elected. she sounds totally in the pocket of hollywood.
While I view Microsoft as evil, and frequently illegal, and frequently amoral, and wanting to get my money through lockin, oddly I do still feel that they care about my needs.
They are like some sort of evil parent that loves you but doesn't want you to grow up and go out on your own life.
http://dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html
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which includes in part...
What about Microsoft Excel and Bill Gates?
The next milestone was the Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. Excel was originally written for the 512K Apple Macintosh in 1984-1985. Excel was one of the first spreadsheets to use a graphical interface with pull down menus and a point and click capability using a mouse pointing device. The Excel spreadsheet with a graphical user interface was easier for most people to use than the command line interface of PC-DOS spreadsheet products. Many people bought Apple Macintoshes so that they could use Bill Gates' Excel spreadsheet program. There is some controversy about whether a graphical version of Microsoft Excel was released in a DOS version. Microsoft documents show the launch of Excel 2.0 for MS-DOS version 3.0 on 10/31/87.
When Microsoft launched the Windows operating system in 1987, Excel was one of the first application products released for it. When Windows finally gained wide acceptance with Version 3.0 in late 1989 Excel was Microsoft's flagship product. For nearly 3 years, Excel remained the only Windows spreadsheet program and it has only received competition from other spreadsheet products since the summer of 1992.
By the late 1980s many companies had introduced spreadsheet products. Spreadsheet products and the spreadsheet software industry were maturing. Microsoft and Bill Gates had joined the fray with the innovative Excel spreadsheet. Lotus had acquired Software Arts and the rights to VisiCalc. Jim Manzi had become CEO at Lotus in April 1986 and in July 1986 Mitch Kapor resigned as Chairman of the Board. The spreadsheet entrepreneurs were moving on
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Regardless, these memories of "dos isn't done until lotus doesn't run" go back to the 80's when I was in my 20's. It is not from slashdot period and it was widely known that Microsoft played dirty back then.
So they either have awesome virus scanners,
Or they reinstall regularly
Or they use very robust scanners that are some how immune to the various injection attacks.
Or they are horribly infected.
My current everquest folder is 10.4 gigabytes. Maybe 60mb of screencaps.
A new expansion comes out in november that will probably generate a lot of patches and new zone files.
The problem with this "rumor" is that everyone in my user's group was saying this over 20 years ago.
They can convince those who were not alive or who were not there but it was viewed no differently than the Win3.11 failure for DR.Dos back then. It wasn't even refuted back then. It was just accepted that Excel would work and Lotus would not for a while when a new version of DOS came out.
It is really weird to see how effectively they are papering over history.
Yup... and you can do it military or you can do it internally by outbreeding (hispanics in the us, islamics in europe, palestinians in isreal, etc...).
That's why ultimately, I think a pro-breeding culture will prevail and as a race we will breed to collapse.
It's amazing how well they are papering over this-- they even say it is a slashdot thing when it was in fact said DURING Dos 3.0 period historically.
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Good discussion here.
http://www.proudlyserving.com/archives/2005/08/dos_aint_done_t.html
As far as the Certification cheating API thing... a google link turns up this...
Slashdot | RTF Vs. OOXML
In fact, look up how it went down for Word95 and Windows 98. Word violated the api standards but was given the "approved" mark anyway.
slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/03/1347236 - 119k - Cached - Similar pages
Microsoft was evil under Dos.
"DOS ain't done, til Lotus won't Run" was *well* known back in the 80's in my user group.
Windows 95 did it all over again by certifying Word which cheated and used invalid API's.
You can say all day long what GPL is *supposed* to mean. But in the end, we've seen many stupid cases where what the lawyers and judges ignorant of technology redefined the entire document by putting a particular spin on a particular section. We see this with the constitution too. There is very little precedent for these documents yet so it is still flexible-- and even when there is precedent, occasionally a random lawyer will think of some new spin- get it to the supreme court in a state or country and have everything overturned.
I generally agree with everyone on our common understanding of GPL myself. But if it is in a lawyer's financial interest to understand it differently, then they will do so.
You could hit that very easily just with WOW or EQ updates. Even single picture attachments can run 5mb these days.
That service would be worth about $10 a month to me.
This idea is about as dumb as my companies limit of 100mb for email (as compared to 5gb to unlimited for each of all my free email accounts.) Someone sends me just about anything and I get a notice that my mailbox quota is exceeded.
This was very helpful. I forwarded it to the VB people in the company.
Thanks!
I remember my password by the keyboard location of my written password list taped to it.
(all joking aside, that started about the time they started changing all of them every 60 days...)
"As a developer, you're always needing to learn new things to stay relevant in the market."
That's the problem I have. As an old hand, I remember when languages were stable for 10 to 15 years.
Since 2000, it seems like they are stable under 2 years. I really dislike *always* feeling ignorant.
So I quit and went into project & resource management which pays more and which is stable.
I don't see a lot of "value add" to all these various languages as a person or as a business. We have projects that were rapidly developed but now they are equally rapidly obsolete and unmaintainable. Just last month, I was meeting with a helpless executive who had a project written in something popular only 4 years ago for which we no longer have programmers. He needed some legally required changes made and there was just no way to do it.
The end result is likely going to be packages.
It could also be seen as christian ("Many hands make light work") or many other organizations of people of good will.
What breaks "communism" is evil human nature. What makes communism work is good human nature.
And the exact same thing can be said for capitalism and democracy. We are witnessing the destruction of both because the loss of reasonableness and good will by corporations and people of power.
This is interesting because our internal vb6/microsoft people say that it is no longer tested for new patches to dll's shared with other microsoft products which are not end of life. It was they who said there is a risk that any new patch could kill the product and so we should test every patch before installing it to production machines. And that there is a reasonable chance that at some point we will have a patch that must be installed that can't be installed.