Old Nukes. With decommissioning costs about 25 times more expensive than projected.
(and that's not including $8 million a year being spent to store and *guard* spent nuclear material. You can't just leave it lying around with bad people in the world.)
Actually batteries have seen massive decreases in price and massive increases in capacity.
In fact, in 2014, the curve got steeper. Recently battery prices have been dropping faster and capacity is rising faster than it did from 2010 to 2014. From 2010, price per kWh dropped over 77% with half that occurring from 2014 to 2017.
Battery packs that were $1000 per kWh in 2010, are $227 today and projected to be $127 by 2025, less than 7 years from now.
As research dollars explode in this area, I expect many new battery materials and higher capacity.
The big issue with steel is that we are using up chromium at phenomenal rates now. Each year, we use more than 1901-2000 combined. We are looking at consuming what's in the crust (not just what's minable at higher costs) within our lifetimes. Recycling isn't 100% efficient. And obviously, we can't really get all the chromium in the crust.
We blew thru the 1 degree Celsius "budget" a few years ago. We blew thru the 1.5 degree Celsius budget recently. To avoid 2 degrees Celsius increase, we would have to get our carbon output down under 13 gigatons per year immediately and for every year between now and 2100. We are currently at about 26 gigatons per year (which is down about 11 gigatons from 37 gigatons per year back in 2001 but the easy gains have been made).
So we will blow thru the 2.0 degree celsius budget by 2024 or 2025. So temperatures will increase by over 2 degrees celsius (barring some new unforeseen problems with multiple models).
At this point, we need to invent something that will sequester gigatons of carbon per year. One possibility is a sand replacement made from carbon used to build new construction (we are also running out of sand fast. Desert sand can't be used- it's spherical- river sand is trapezoids). If we tried covering the planet with trees, it would only buy us about 2.5 gigatons a year.
Yes, random events can't be predicted. Who could predict Fukishima would do so much damage to the nuclear industry before it occurred? ( OTH, the tsunami was predictable (hell- there were "high water mark" stones all over japan marking prior Tsunami's), and the cost cutting and recklessness by humans was predictable.
And yes, 32 years out is very speculative but 3 years out is not very speculative at all.
In the short term, we know Nuclear is *much* more expensive to decommission. We know that private insurers won't touch it. That's a sign that government shouldn't touch or use it except as absolutely necessary.
And we know that Solar and Battery tech will continue to get cheaper and have higher production for at least the next 5 years.
And we know Solar and Wind are now cheaper than Coal and Oil (and nuclear when you include the real decommissioning costs and the ongoing costs of 8 million per year for security on the waste at some nuclear sites).
So while the details are completely speculative, it's highly likely that Solar and WInd will play a much larger part in our grid. That oil and coal will play a much smaller part. And it's not unreasonable to think Nuclear will remain about the same and shrink a little bit.
This is great for now... but it will change. They'll take a cut later. They'll be able to threaten the income stream to get compliance from people too. As youtube, they could demonetize it at any time.
Dude, I voted for republican presidents three times so far. I voted for republican candidates until the republican party told joe biden that they were going to vote "no" to everything whether they agreed with it or not before President Obama even took office.
Since then, I won't vote for a republican candidate for dog catcher even tho I still have a strong conservative streak. That conservative streak includes valuing the precedents and principles that made this country great including a respect for law, justice, and freedom. Strong support for free speech and freedom of religion.
The republican party has been taken over by theocratic authoritarians. I won't call them christians because they are nothing like Fred Rogers or Billy Graham. They are greedy, wicked, cruel, not good stewards of the planet. And here's the big thing. One of the biggest things real Christians oppose is lying. Satan is called the lord of lies. Republicans, and President Trump (and his circle), and increasingly their followers lie outrageously, they lie when they know you know it's a lie. They are proud of lying. They are the antithesis of Christians and Christianity.
We need to oppose then and start a new conservative party. I have friends in other states who have joined new conservative parties. I view realigning myself with the Democratic party as being more productive to stopping this dangerous movement which has hijacked the major conservative party in this country. Sure, democrats are soft headed and illogical at times- but they are not yet evil. They are not actively tearing the country apart.
Any ICE employee who doesn't resign is responsible.
I think this will be found to be a crime of some kind.
Im also concerned there will also be payback towards american children for years to come. This orange haired asshole is putting our kids and grandkids at risk.
If police officers gave tickets for every violation, the public wouldn't stand for it. Police officers have said for years they could write everyone a ticket within 15 minutes of following them.
Laws have historically tempered by fairness, human decency, and kindness.
Sessions and Miller decided to enforce this law in a heinous way that recalls the concentration camps of pre-world war 2 germany.
The Biblical passage that the administration via Sessions is referring to has been used to justify, among other things:
1. slavery 2. German Christian churches submitting to the will of the Third Reich 3. Japanese internment camps 4. segregation 5. banning interracial marriage 6. anti-gay-rights legislation
Regarding the immigrants
Exodus 22:21: Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
Leviticus 19:33: When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. Leviticus 19:34: But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 27:19: Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless, or the widow.
Jeremiah 22:3: This is what the Lord says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Malachi 3:5: âoeSo I will come to put you on trial. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,â says the Lord Almighty.
Hebrews 13:1-2: Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
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Would Billy Graham support this? No. Would Fred Rogers support this? No. Heck No. Would Jesus support this? I can't see how he possibly could.
Typically the children have dual citizenship. The U.S. gives citizenship by blood. Mexican law is different.
That has *nothing* to do with this situation.
The children, babies, and toddlers are being taken and held separately. The parents are being "fast tracked" and returned to their home countries quickly. The children are not "fast tracked" and so processing their cases take months to years. There is no ICE policy or procedure for providing solid documentation of whose child is whose and whose parent is whose. When the children are returned to their home countries, there will be no way to positively identify the parents of some of the children (short of maybe a DNA test).
1) Trump is only enforcing the law : Nope, it's a new policy. And it's a decision by Miller, Sessions, and Trump to do so. Presidents Bush and Obama saw no need to enforce the law this way.
2) Many children arrive unaccompanied We are talking about babies and toddlers being taken from their parents-- we have audio of them crying for their parents.
3) Children can only be separated for 20 days No. per former ICE head on the news tonight at 9pm, there is no procedure in place to return the children. The Parents will be "fast tracked" back to their home countries and the toddlers and babies will be returned months to *years* later. And there is no documentation being taken to tie the parents to the children. And there are already documented cases where the child has been missing longer than 20 days.
4) Their conditions are actually pretty good, better than most poor American children get, and better than where they came from. Living in tents in near 100 degree temperatures is not "pretty" good. That's the conditions which male toddlers and children are being kept under. Babies and females we barely know about-- reporters are not being allowed in the facllities. The government (which lies constantly) is the only source saying the conditions are good.
5) We separate citizen children from their parents, when we put parents in jail Not for minor crimes.
6) Obama did it Obama's not president and at the least did not do it on this scale (if it did it at all- you are going to provide a cite for that because all I find when I google that is right wing sites.)
It's worse than that. Per the former head of ICE, there is *no* plan or procedure in place to restore the children to their parents and it is likely the children will not be returned to their home country for "months to years" and when they are returned, there will be no way to link them to their parents.
If we want to stop immigration, we simply need a national employment database and fine the hell out of any employer employing people not approved to work.
But many of the people losing their children are not coming here simply for work. They are facing being murdered in their home country.
And Sessions is quoting the bible while ignoring Jesus and all the tales relating to being a good samaritan, kind to strangers, etc. And he's using the same verse used to justify slavery and many other heinous crimes.
I was on the road today. I've already signed up to help at the democratic website.
I also donated to the puerto rican crisis- where over 5,000 u.s. citizens have died so far and now a new hurricane season is starting.
And I've been doing volunteer work for the democratic party in Texas (first time in my life-- I was still voting for republicans in 2008.)
Republicans have left morality and are headed towards authoritarianism and evil behavior.
Any conservatives like me should leave the party and work to restore sanity to this country. Especially those who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal like me.
There are 3 "tender" facilities with babies taken from their mother's arms in south texas and they are preparing to open a 4th facility. Airline attendents are reporting on flights carrying the toddlers away from the area.
These are not teens. These are babies and todders. the parents will be "fast tracked" back home and the children will be "slow tracked" and *per* the former head of ICE, they may not be sent to their home countries for months or years and by then there may no way to identify their parents.
I'm going to volunteer tomorrow and start donating for attorneys. It was reported on the news tonight that some of these 3 and 4 year old are being put in court without a lawyer to defend themselves.
> by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) Alter Relationship on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @11:07PM (#56813668)
they're rightfully worried some nutjob is going to go off half cocked and hurt somebody.
A nutjob has already gone off half-cocked and hurt people. He's getting away with it because Republicans in Congress are either too scared or agree with his Nazi policies.
a bunch of poorly paid gov't employees who most likely took the job out of desperation
The dockets at Nuremberg were filled with "poorly paid gov't employees who most likely took the job out of desperation". I'm sorry, but "just following orders" is no excuse, and it will not save them from the hangman.
A reckoning is coming, and history will not look kindly on the guards in the "Tender Age" concentration camps on our Southern border.
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Agreed.
Any ICE employee who doesn't resign is responsible.
I think this will be found to be a crime of some kind.
Im also concerned there will also be payback towards american children for years to come. This orange haired asshole is putting our kids and grandkids at risk.
Any ICE employee who doesn't resign is responsible.
I think this will be found to be a crime of some kind.
Im also concerned there will also be payback towards american children for years to come. This orange haired asshole is putting our kids and grandkids at risk.
Tell that to someone in south american or mexico who has their child kidnapped in revenge.
It's tragic to lose a child. Once it happens, everyone will be screaming, "Why didn't anyone warn us!?!?"
The U.S. government is kidnapping 70 toddlers and babies a day now. Each one of those has at least a half dozen relatives who will want payback. Republicans and Mr. Trump are making more new enemeis for the U.S. all over the world but especially in mexico and south america.
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You know what's more expensive than new nukes?
Old Nukes. With decommissioning costs about 25 times more expensive than projected.
(and that's not including $8 million a year being spent to store and *guard* spent nuclear material. You can't just leave it lying around with bad people in the world.)
Actually batteries have seen massive decreases in price and massive increases in capacity.
In fact, in 2014, the curve got steeper. Recently battery prices have been dropping faster and capacity is rising faster than it did from 2010 to 2014. From 2010, price per kWh dropped over 77% with half that occurring from 2014 to 2017.
Battery packs that were $1000 per kWh in 2010, are $227 today and projected to be $127 by 2025, less than 7 years from now.
As research dollars explode in this area, I expect many new battery materials and higher capacity.
The big issue with steel is that we are using up chromium at phenomenal rates now. Each year, we use more than 1901-2000 combined. We are looking at consuming what's in the crust (not just what's minable at higher costs) within our lifetimes. Recycling isn't 100% efficient. And obviously, we can't really get all the chromium in the crust.
Just so you know... It's already too late.
We blew thru the 1 degree Celsius "budget" a few years ago. We blew thru the 1.5 degree Celsius budget recently. To avoid 2 degrees Celsius increase, we would have to get our carbon output down under 13 gigatons per year immediately and for every year between now and 2100. We are currently at about 26 gigatons per year (which is down about 11 gigatons from 37 gigatons per year back in 2001 but the easy gains have been made).
So we will blow thru the 2.0 degree celsius budget by 2024 or 2025. So temperatures will increase by over 2 degrees celsius (barring some new unforeseen problems with multiple models).
At this point, we need to invent something that will sequester gigatons of carbon per year. One possibility is a sand replacement made from carbon used to build new construction (we are also running out of sand fast. Desert sand can't be used- it's spherical- river sand is trapezoids). If we tried covering the planet with trees, it would only buy us about 2.5 gigatons a year.
Yes, random events can't be predicted. Who could predict Fukishima would do so much damage to the nuclear industry before it occurred? ( OTH, the tsunami was predictable (hell- there were "high water mark" stones all over japan marking prior Tsunami's), and the cost cutting and recklessness by humans was predictable.
And yes, 32 years out is very speculative but 3 years out is not very speculative at all.
In the short term, we know Nuclear is *much* more expensive to decommission. We know that private insurers won't touch it. That's a sign that government shouldn't touch or use it except as absolutely necessary.
And we know that Solar and Battery tech will continue to get cheaper and have higher production for at least the next 5 years.
And we know Solar and Wind are now cheaper than Coal and Oil (and nuclear when you include the real decommissioning costs and the ongoing costs of 8 million per year for security on the waste at some nuclear sites).
So while the details are completely speculative, it's highly likely that Solar and WInd will play a much larger part in our grid. That oil and coal will play a much smaller part. And it's not unreasonable to think Nuclear will remain about the same and shrink a little bit.
But when the Aliens invade, all bets are off.
This is great for now... but it will change. They'll take a cut later. They'll be able to threaten the income stream to get compliance from people too. As youtube, they could demonetize it at any time.
So, Pray they don't change the deal further.
I still get multiple posts per day from facebook which I send to my junk folder automatically.
Facebook is not your friend. You are the product. Facebook puts you at risk.
Dude, I voted for republican presidents three times so far. I voted for republican candidates until the republican party told joe biden that they were going to vote "no" to everything whether they agreed with it or not before President Obama even took office.
Since then, I won't vote for a republican candidate for dog catcher even tho I still have a strong conservative streak. That conservative streak includes valuing the precedents and principles that made this country great including a respect for law, justice, and freedom. Strong support for free speech and freedom of religion.
The republican party has been taken over by theocratic authoritarians. I won't call them christians because they are nothing like Fred Rogers or Billy Graham. They are greedy, wicked, cruel, not good stewards of the planet. And here's the big thing. One of the biggest things real Christians oppose is lying. Satan is called the lord of lies. Republicans, and President Trump (and his circle), and increasingly their followers lie outrageously, they lie when they know you know it's a lie. They are proud of lying. They are the antithesis of Christians and Christianity.
We need to oppose then and start a new conservative party. I have friends in other states who have joined new conservative parties. I view realigning myself with the Democratic party as being more productive to stopping this dangerous movement which has hijacked the major conservative party in this country. Sure, democrats are soft headed and illogical at times- but they are not yet evil. They are not actively tearing the country apart.
Agreed.
Any ICE employee who doesn't resign is responsible.
I think this will be found to be a crime of some kind.
Im also concerned there will also be payback towards american children for years to come. This orange haired asshole is putting our kids and grandkids at risk.
Extremists are known to be violent.
Like the alt right guy who drove his car into a crowd of random people in Virginia.
Right now, right wing extremists outnumber left wing extremists in the u.s. by 10:1. But that still leaves a couple million left wing extremists.
All laws are selectively enforced.
If police officers gave tickets for every violation, the public wouldn't stand for it. Police officers have said for years they could write everyone a ticket within 15 minutes of following them.
Laws have historically tempered by fairness, human decency, and kindness.
Sessions and Miller decided to enforce this law in a heinous way that recalls the concentration camps of pre-world war 2 germany.
It's evil. We shouldn't allow them to do it.
By the way, analysis of the executive order he signed today shows that it basically does nothing.
It's a distraction.
The Biblical passage that the administration via Sessions is referring to has been used to justify, among other things:
1. slavery
2. German Christian churches submitting to the will of the Third Reich
3. Japanese internment camps
4. segregation
5. banning interracial marriage
6. anti-gay-rights legislation
Regarding the immigrants
Exodus 22:21: Do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in Egypt.
Leviticus 19:33: When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them.
Leviticus 19:34: But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 27:19: Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless, or the widow.
Jeremiah 22:3: This is what the Lord says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of the oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.
Malachi 3:5: âoeSo I will come to put you on trial. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,â says the Lord Almighty.
Hebrews 13:1-2: Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
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Would Billy Graham support this? No.
Would Fred Rogers support this? No. Heck No.
Would Jesus support this? I can't see how he possibly could.
If you are a christian... open your eyes.
And multiple Republican governors have withdrawn their national guards.
Republicans control the presidency, house, and senate. They could fix this tomorrow.
Meanwhile children are being put in cages and crying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Since you are so confident... by all means-- please take your kids overseas on trips.
I'm sure no one will be upset and your children will be completely safe.
Typically the children have dual citizenship. The U.S. gives citizenship by blood. Mexican law is different.
That has *nothing* to do with this situation.
The children, babies, and toddlers are being taken and held separately. The parents are being "fast tracked" and returned to their home countries quickly. The children are not "fast tracked" and so processing their cases take months to years. There is no ICE policy or procedure for providing solid documentation of whose child is whose and whose parent is whose. When the children are returned to their home countries, there will be no way to positively identify the parents of some of the children (short of maybe a DNA test).
No.. you are either mistaken or lying.
1) Trump is only enforcing the law : Nope, it's a new policy. And it's a decision by Miller, Sessions, and Trump to do so. Presidents Bush and Obama saw no need to enforce the law this way.
2) Many children arrive unaccompanied
We are talking about babies and toddlers being taken from their parents-- we have audio of them crying for their parents.
3) Children can only be separated for 20 days
No. per former ICE head on the news tonight at 9pm, there is no procedure in place to return the children. The Parents will be "fast tracked" back to their home countries and the toddlers and babies will be returned months to *years* later. And there is no documentation being taken to tie the parents to the children. And there are already documented cases where the child has been missing longer than 20 days.
4) Their conditions are actually pretty good, better than most poor American children get, and better than where they came from.
Living in tents in near 100 degree temperatures is not "pretty" good. That's the conditions which male toddlers and children are being kept under. Babies and females we barely know about-- reporters are not being allowed in the facllities. The government (which lies constantly) is the only source saying the conditions are good.
5) We separate citizen children from their parents, when we put parents in jail
Not for minor crimes.
6) Obama did it
Obama's not president and at the least did not do it on this scale (if it did it at all- you are going to provide a cite for that because all I find when I google that is right wing sites.)
It's worse than that. Per the former head of ICE, there is *no* plan or procedure in place to restore the children to their parents and it is likely the children will not be returned to their home country for "months to years" and when they are returned, there will be no way to link them to their parents.
I agree that we should end the drug war.
It has gone worse than Prohibition.
If we want to stop immigration, we simply need a national employment database and fine the hell out of any employer employing people not approved to work.
But many of the people losing their children are not coming here simply for work. They are facing being murdered in their home country.
And Sessions is quoting the bible while ignoring Jesus and all the tales relating to being a good samaritan, kind to strangers, etc. And he's using the same verse used to justify slavery and many other heinous crimes.
I was on the road today. I've already signed up to help at the democratic website.
I also donated to the puerto rican crisis- where over 5,000 u.s. citizens have died so far and now a new hurricane season is starting.
And I've been doing volunteer work for the democratic party in Texas (first time in my life-- I was still voting for republicans in 2008.)
Republicans have left morality and are headed towards authoritarianism and evil behavior.
Any conservatives like me should leave the party and work to restore sanity to this country. Especially those who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal like me.
There are 3 "tender" facilities with babies taken from their mother's arms in south texas and they are preparing to open a 4th facility. Airline attendents are reporting on flights carrying the toddlers away from the area.
These are not teens. These are babies and todders. the parents will be "fast tracked" back home and the children will be "slow tracked" and *per* the former head of ICE, they may not be sent to their home countries for months or years and by then there may no way to identify their parents.
I'm going to volunteer tomorrow and start donating for attorneys. It was reported on the news tonight that some of these 3 and 4 year old are being put in court without a lawyer to defend themselves.
This is nazi 1934 stuff happening. It's evil.
PopeRatzo said...
> by PopeRatzo ( 965947 ) Alter Relationship on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @11:07PM (#56813668)
they're rightfully worried some nutjob is going to go off half cocked and hurt somebody.
A nutjob has already gone off half-cocked and hurt people. He's getting away with it because Republicans in Congress are either too scared or agree with his Nazi policies.
a bunch of poorly paid gov't employees who most likely took the job out of desperation
The dockets at Nuremberg were filled with "poorly paid gov't employees who most likely took the job out of desperation". I'm sorry, but "just following orders" is no excuse, and it will not save them from the hangman.
A reckoning is coming, and history will not look kindly on the guards in the "Tender Age" concentration camps on our Southern border.
----
Agreed.
Any ICE employee who doesn't resign is responsible.
I think this will be found to be a crime of some kind.
Im also concerned there will also be payback towards american children for years to come. This orange haired asshole is putting our kids and grandkids at risk.
Agreed.
Any ICE employee who doesn't resign is responsible.
I think this will be found to be a crime of some kind.
Im also concerned there will also be payback towards american children for years to come. This orange haired asshole is putting our kids and grandkids at risk.
They failed to nip it in the bud. It's in the wild now. There are already probably 10's of thousands of copies.
If I work or worked for ICE and was on the list, I'd move. Especially if I had a family.
Tell that to someone in south american or mexico who has their child kidnapped in revenge.
It's tragic to lose a child. Once it happens, everyone will be screaming, "Why didn't anyone warn us!?!?"
The U.S. government is kidnapping 70 toddlers and babies a day now. Each one of those has at least a half dozen relatives who will want payback. Republicans and Mr. Trump are making more new enemeis for the U.S. all over the world but especially in mexico and south america.
Use your brain dumbass.