It's the breaking down of the materials afterwards into bioavailable nutrient salts that's the issue. Also, bacteria and such can survive a hard vacuum of space and some can even withstand UV bombardment well past UVC range.
"Good luck growing anything that fruits under LED's though."
I've had no problems getting jalapenos, soybeans, bush beans, tomatoes, cannabis, bell peppers, and other vegetables to fruit under LED and yield great.
No, you would not do aeroponics. You would do a mat-based NFT system that would utilize capillary action to ensure even moisture and nutrient content at the roots and contain water (as aeroponics in zero gravity is a huge mistake.)
If they're smart, they'll use solid salt extracts from seawater (look up SEA-90,) supplement the lacking N and P with potash and solid nitrates, and use the water onboard in a very conservative capillary-action root mat + NFT system that will drastically reduce the water usage and waste.
Trying to recycle human waste into fertilizer would be extremely energy intensive and potentially hazardous contamination-wise.
" however if you're sure that it is so much more profitable then by all means set up a firm and make a killing and I'll be the first to admit that Khyber was not, in fact, making shit up."
" The burgundy-hued lettuce (NASA favors the 'Outredgeous' strain) will be grown under bright-pink LED lights, ready to harvest after just 28 days."
Ignoring the higher quantum yields of green light is going to be a bad mistake. Catch up with the research done not even 4 years ago, NASA. No wonder you can't get a budget when you can't even keep up with the pace of research.
This is beyond idiocy. A physical license plate has many advantages over an electronic one. 1. You can't hack a physical non-electronic plate. 2. Physical plates serve as excellent reminders of who was where, especially in the cases of drunk idiots slamming into your car so hard THAT THEY LEAVE A PERFECT IMPRINT OF THEIR PLATE IN REVERSE on your car for easier tracking later on. 3. Creation of physical plates does not result in as much pollution compared to electronic ones. 4. Most physical plates are still quite usable after an accident. Electronic plate isn't going to be so useful after one fender bender, most likely. 5. Electrical system problems might mean your car works but your license plate does not.
I see one advantage the electronic plate might have - you won't need those license plate lights any longer, and those stupid neon license plate frames won't interfere with the visibility of an electronic plate emitting its own light versus a physical plate that relies upon the reflection of light.
"Gas turbine engines are very rare in the RC hobby, and quite expensive."
Expensive, not so much any more, and rare, not even fucking close. More than half of the RC devices flown by Citrus State Park are gas turbine engines, with the rest being battery pack - no nitromethane anywhere to be found. There's even a guy with an F-16 with freaking functional full-auto airsoft cannons on it. you know when that sucker gets started up, even half a mile away.
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They're utilizing a bulky sealed system. Good luck getting any decent yield per cubic meter.
It's the breaking down of the materials afterwards into bioavailable nutrient salts that's the issue. Also, bacteria and such can survive a hard vacuum of space and some can even withstand UV bombardment well past UVC range.
Apparently you fail to grasp what higher quantum yield means.
That means green light drives photosynthesis more efficiently.
http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/4/684.full
Try actually paying attention to what is being said before commenting, eh?
Oh to add on your point of "Hydro farming takes DAILY attention."
A typical DWC system only requires attention once a week (or two weeks depending upon reservoir size and crop type.)
Try again when this is your job.
"Hydro farming takes DAILY attention."
Actually, a well-built hydro system runs itself.
But you wouldn't know jack shit about the systems involved in automating such a process, now would you?
On the other hand, I know way more than you or lumpy combined, as it's my fucking job.
I also design new methods of lighting plants in said systems.
And what would YOU know, child?
"Good luck growing anything that fruits under LED's though."
I've had no problems getting jalapenos, soybeans, bush beans, tomatoes, cannabis, bell peppers, and other vegetables to fruit under LED and yield great.
What nonsense are you spilling?
No, you would not do aeroponics. You would do a mat-based NFT system that would utilize capillary action to ensure even moisture and nutrient content at the roots and contain water (as aeroponics in zero gravity is a huge mistake.)
Your knowledge is garbage.
You said there was everything we needed in space. Your vaunted maglaunch recommendation hints at the fact that THERE IS NOTHING IN SPACE TO BE USED.
Please try again when you actually do this for a living and have worked with NASA on these things before.
"There's an abundance of everything we need in space"
Yes, you tell me where we're going to get nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium, and other trace elements IN ORBIT.
If they're smart, they'll use solid salt extracts from seawater (look up SEA-90,) supplement the lacking N and P with potash and solid nitrates, and use the water onboard in a very conservative capillary-action root mat + NFT system that will drastically reduce the water usage and waste.
Trying to recycle human waste into fertilizer would be extremely energy intensive and potentially hazardous contamination-wise.
" however if you're sure that it is so much more profitable then by all means set up a firm and make a killing and I'll be the first to admit that Khyber was not, in fact, making shit up."
Okay, done deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZTikdxj8AI
Hey, look! There's my old company ON THE FUCKING BBC WITH ZERO-LIGHT PRODUCTION TECHNOLOGY COMBINED WITH VERTICAL SYSTEMS.
WRONG.
WRONG.
WRONG.
http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/content/50/4/684.full
Try again when you actually study this for a living.
"For sure lettuce has nothing nutritive."
Maybe you mean ICEBERG lettuce. Romaine, red leaf, etc. have much better nutritional densities.
"However, it makes less than no sense to grow in a soil-like medium. They should be using aeroponics."
Not even close. The idea of fine mist floating around to get into equipment is just absolutely ball-to-the-wall stupid.
Sealed hydroponics or a solid-mat capillary action growing medium are what's called for here.
". The problem is that it's more expensive and takes more labor. "
Not even close. It's more expensive on fuel alone to do open-land farming.
More labor? With everything packed into a dense area that's LESS labor (and expended energy and fuel.)
"you havet orun pumps 24/7, "
Not even close AGAIN! NFT systems only roll three watering cycles a day.
Methinks you're looking at the least efficient methods of hydroponics, or you're horrible at the entire thing in the first place.
" The burgundy-hued lettuce (NASA favors the 'Outredgeous' strain) will be grown under bright-pink LED lights, ready to harvest after just 28 days."
Ignoring the higher quantum yields of green light is going to be a bad mistake. Catch up with the research done not even 4 years ago, NASA. No wonder you can't get a budget when you can't even keep up with the pace of research.
Uhh, my PSP was able to do this with my PS3. What's new, here?
That's why we say fuck magnetic media and cram SSD tech into that 5.25 form factor.
And make it a hot-swap bay.
Neon wand, baby. Like a tattoo machine but no permanent markings!
McQuown vs Electronic Arts - nailed their ass for SecuROM.
EA got it's ass handed to it in court for pretty much this exact same reason - installing shit on your system without your permission.
This is beyond idiocy. A physical license plate has many advantages over an electronic one.
1. You can't hack a physical non-electronic plate.
2. Physical plates serve as excellent reminders of who was where, especially in the cases of drunk idiots slamming into your car so hard THAT THEY LEAVE A PERFECT IMPRINT OF THEIR PLATE IN REVERSE on your car for easier tracking later on.
3. Creation of physical plates does not result in as much pollution compared to electronic ones.
4. Most physical plates are still quite usable after an accident. Electronic plate isn't going to be so useful after one fender bender, most likely.
5. Electrical system problems might mean your car works but your license plate does not.
I see one advantage the electronic plate might have - you won't need those license plate lights any longer, and those stupid neon license plate frames won't interfere with the visibility of an electronic plate emitting its own light versus a physical plate that relies upon the reflection of light.
1.Upgrade to 9.
2.Tell the fucking installer to not install that extraneous software on your system.
3.Sue the shit out of Parallels for unauthorized access/violation of the CFAA.
4.????
5.PROFIT!!!!
"Gas turbine engines are very rare in the RC hobby, and quite expensive."
Expensive, not so much any more, and rare, not even fucking close. More than half of the RC devices flown by Citrus State Park are gas turbine engines, with the rest being battery pack - no nitromethane anywhere to be found. There's even a guy with an F-16 with freaking functional full-auto airsoft cannons on it. you know when that sucker gets started up, even half a mile away.
I'm 20/13 vision in both eyes and can already spot pixellation in the iPhone 4S display, at arms length.