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Parallels Update Installs Unrelated Daemon Without Permission
Calibax writes "Parallels recently released version 9 of Parallels Desktop, their popular hypervisor application for Mac. They also released a new product named Parallels Access that offers access to Windows applications from an iPad for $80 per year. Access has received less than stellar reviews. When a user upgrades Parallels Desktop, he is asked if he wants a free six-month subscription to Parallels Access. Even if he says no, the product is installed on his system and the application is started each time the system is rebooted. It is installed with ancillary files scattered around several directories in the system and Parallels has not supplied an uninstaller or listed the steps to fully uninstall the application, despite a number of requests. In other words, Parallels has decided it's a good idea to silently install a difficult to remove daemon application on the system, even if the user has explicitly stated they do not want it. They have not provided an uninstaller or a list of files installed or instructions on how to remove the application files. These are scattered to at least four Mac OS X OS system level directories."
Holy Department of Redundancy Department, Batman!
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I've been using Parallels Desktop for several versions now but I won't be 'upgrading' to version 9 until this is resolved. Up to now, Parallels has been a great product.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law - Aleister Crowley
I've been using Parallels over VMWare Fusion for a few years now (there has been some good bundle pricing on it, and there were some features it had that VMWare lacked at the time when I was deciding, though I don't recall what those were now).
Unless this turns out to be a tempest in a teacup or otherwise invented or overblown, I won't be doing that anymore, and VMWare will have gained back a customer.
Dan Aris
Fun. Free. Online. RPG. BattleMaster.
TFS rants in circles, and the subject of the complaint is a product named "Parallels"?
My head hurts.
Yes, but... has Parallels supplied an uninstaller or listed the steps to fully uninstall the files?
"Oh no... he found the
The most important part: what this daemon does is allowing remove access to the computer, through Parallels' servers, using closed source code on both sides. Let's see, is there anything nefarious possible?
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Seriously? This sounds exactly like something the NSA would do. It makes me incredibly wary of VMWare, etc. as well though I may be willing to trust open source VM solutions...maybe.
Bonus: CAPTCHA = "reformat"
Should be simple enough if you already know where the files are.
Troll.
Parallels is NOT sold in the AppStore. It's installed via a custom stand-alone installer.
You have NO idea what you are trolling about. GTFO.
When you decline to install something you expect that it doesn't get installed. Parallels is going to burn a lot of trust by pulling this stunt. The cost of acquiring their customers has certainly got to exceed the profit from people who decide that they will change their mind and want to run this software anyways.
At a bare minimum they need to start by building a package that will remove all traces post haste for the anyone that wants it. For people that don't want to run the package explicit instructions need to be made available about how to completely remove this. Any number of companies have screwed up royally before this, those that are still respected are the ones that instituted proper damage control.
Well, you guessed wrong, because this article is about the Parallels Desktop Software for Macs that is installing the unwanted parts.
Funny enough, a software like Parallels Desktop needs such low-level access to the system that it would most certainly be prohibited from being approved into the Mac App Store. Apple is pretty strict about what kind of low-level access its App Store apps are allowed and where they can install their stuff.
So if the user would have stayed inside the walled garden, he would actually be safe from this particular threat.
I do not want to say that the walled garden is flawless or does not have some significant problems, but your guess is really simply wrong in this case.
Funny enough, a software like Parallels Desktop needs such low-level access to the system that it would most certainly be prohibited from being approved into the Mac App Store.
You're absolutely right. This link doesn't go to the approved and ready for download link of the software in the app store.
Apple is pretty strict about what kind of low-level access its App Store apps are allowed and where they can install their stuff.
So they wouldn't, say, approve malware then...
do not want to say that the walled garden is flawless or does not have some significant problems, but your guess is really simply wrong in this case.
Yes, those citations are powerless against the power of denial.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
What exactly does Apple have to do with shoddy 3rd party software?
Neither Parallels or VMWare Fusion are in Apple's App store. So if grandma is going to the store to buy virtualization software, I would hope she has some idea of what she is doing.
Also, if grandma happens to hose the Ubuntu machine you gave her and she has to look at this:
~#:_
Does that mean Linux is shit and just for freetard lusers?
Its apple store, not app store
I thought you were serious until I clicked on your Apple link.
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Hmmm, user explicitly stated they did not want this installed, sounds like unauthorized access. Shouldn't the CFAA be applicable here ?
Your first link is not the app store, though. That would be the online Apple Store, you know like Amazon.com? The one that actually has some brick-and-mortar cousins? With the Macs standing around and the Genius Bar? Sorta like Best Buy, but Apple-specific?
And, also that is definitely not for download, because, you know there is a shipping estimate there? And the first picture actually shows you the physical box the software is shipping in?
Besides, that box also contains the old version 8 which does not have the obnoxious behavior written about here. That one is new for version 9, which is not in your link.
That's the Online Store NOT the MacAppStore you stupid imbecile.
STFU AND GTFO YOU PILLOCK
First, that link isn't to the app store. That's the boxed edition. Second, you'll notice that in the product description for this feature, there's a ** that says "Separate purchase in the App Store".
So unless that page you linked to is lying, the App Store version does not do what they're talking about here. Only the separate installer that you get directly from Parallels installs the daemon in question.
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Parallels is NOT sold in the AppStore. It's installed via a custom stand-alone installer.
Of course it is...
You do realize that's not the App store, but Apple's store where they ship you a box with the software?
"We run software you didn't ask for in parallel" lol
or am I missing something?
Make 3 partitions on an OSX drive. Install OSX into all 3. Now on /sda install Parallels. /sdb leave vanilla. Boot into /sdc and mount /dev/sda /mnt/A. mount /dev/sdb /mnt/b. Diff a and b.
Granted your average user won't do this, but anyone wanting to play hero should be able to do it easily.
Let me guess? Approved in the app store. And that ease of use that's touted by Apple means that it's helluva hard for the average person to get under the hood. Imagine grandma looking at this:
Parallels software is _not_ available on the App Store. If you look at what this software does, there is not a chance in hell that it would be allowed on the App Store. So your little rant is completely missing the point. So when you say it is "the problem with the walled garden", you are completely wrong: This app is _not_ inside the walled garden. It does things that the "walled garden" would protect you from.
Installer malware comes to Mac?!? Who is really surprised by this...Maybe now the Mac fanbois will finally stop saying they are immune to all this crap.
Let me guess. You don't know the difference between the Mac App Store (which is Apple's curated App Store with its walled gardens) and store.apple.com which is their online store where they sell iPhones, iMacs, software and peripherals.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
We own you.
So what's the problem here?
Alternate headline: "App update apps unrelated app without permission, results in apps apping other apps."
Microsoft, Sony, any other?
You've been corrected bra boy, own it.
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They know what's good for you. After all it's an Apple product.
unwanted software. CleanMyMac2 to the rescue. Found all the Parallels Access files and good-bye. No hunting or anything!! Left Parallels alone just removed the PA that I asked not to install. Though I wish everyone would just create an app that keeps it's files to itself so when I trash it EVERYTHING is gone. But then those that make CleanMyMac2 would not be selling their software.
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I was going to upgrade to Parallels Desktop 9 but after reading about this I might as well switch to VMware fusion 6.
First of all, there was ONE "less than stellar" review. The Ars review was pretty pathetically trollish, I have no idea why. Check Google if you don't believe it. http://www.google.com/search?q=parallels+access+review
I used it in beta testing and its head and shoulders above other remote access tools. Their pricing is out to lunch, but it is an excellent tool.
Second, Parallels always has done stuff like this. The last version or two has been popping up ads. It's lazy of them and stupid but it's not really an "unrelated daemon".
Don't expect their support to give you instructions on how to uninstall it, just run something like CleanMyMac2 and move on.
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So the story is that some people with too much money install an expensive virtualizer that doesn't live up to expectations while there are perfectly good free alternatives...
This type of BigBrotherWare is completely unPARALELLed. The competition cannot come close!
Mac Operating System X operating system system?
This is a new record for redundancy records.
Ok so they installed access without permission. Burn them at the stake. Wasn't there old mobile access originally built into parallels? So now it runs separately. Big whoop. The trolls need focus their anger on the NSA. Parallels is a popular product with great feature for a good price. Let's not forget that before you try to burn them at the stake.
I don't know where all the bad reviews of access are coming from. I enjoy the product. Its one of the better remote products I have used. In my IT department it has become the remote app of choice. Turn on mouse and or desktop mode and it enhances your experience with it. I have been using it with parallels 9 since Labor day. Got an early upgrade deal. Let's stop with the Internet whining already.
I have installed Parallels version 9 and tried out their access program, since it was free for six months. It works as advertised, although on our slow Internet connection it is essentially unusable. Trying to do work on a standard iPad screen that is normally displayed on a big PC monitor or even a big laptop makes for pretty tiny print. $80 per year is pretty steep. $20-$30 is about the maximum I would pay even if our Internet connection for up to par. It will not work on a LAN over Wi-Fi. I have no trouble uninstalling the Access part by simply dragging the Access.app in the applications folder into the trash and then emptying the trash and restarting. I did not see any extraneous processes running according to the Activity Monitor. Running the Parallel.app version 9 does not show any additional processes than before version 9 was installed. If and when I have to do real work, I will just take my MacBook and use the iPad strictly for entertainment, maybe answering an occasional email.
A sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality.
What the HELL is going on with this girlintraining account? It's been posting some weird stuff. Some appears to be very insightful. Some like this is off the wall and seems entirely like corporate sponsored FUD. Multiple posts per day. Some quite lengthy. Who owns this account? I can't quite figure out the angle.
What exactly does Apple have to do with shoddy 3rd party software?
Neither Parallels or VMWare Fusion are in Apple's App store. So if grandma is going to the store to buy virtualization software, I would hope she has some idea of what she is doing.
Also, if grandma happens to hose the Ubuntu machine you gave her and she has to look at this:
~#:_
Does that mean Linux is shit and just for freetard lusers?
I've generally set up windows installs virtually under linux using kvm, which comes with the kernel, using VMM , virtual machine manager gui under Ubuntu. Which decade did you last try linux?
Seriously, isn't Apple supposed to do all my thinking for me? Why the hell should I have to use my brain and think critically about what software I install on a computer I own is doing? I pay Apple to do that for me. This is bullshit.
-Lod
Ah, the advantages of OSX. No "ancillary files scattered" all around the system when you install something. Remember when all you had to do to uninstall a Mac app was drag it to the Trash?
But the most unsettling part of this is the fact that Parallels had to know they would be found out, and went ahead anyway. When a company gets caught with its pants down, at least there's an indication that they realize there was something wrong with their behavior. This is much worse, because they just didn't care what you think.
You are welcome on my lawn.
You do realize that's not the App store, but Apple's store where they ship you a box with the software?
I notice you ignored the second link: Which shows that malware can and has been uploaded to the app store, which was my original point; The OP said that nothing like Parallels Desktop could be in the app store because it was too "low level".
I'd consider something that steals my credit card info and takes over my browser pretty "low level". The reason why Parallels Desktop isn't in the app store is because it loads kernel modules, not because the app store is somehow 'more secure'.
But hey... I already got a -1 everywhere else for pointing out that it's not all sunshine and kittens in AppleLand and got furious anger and rage from the fanboys... so what's a missed point between slashdotters?
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
Your first link is not the app store, though. That would be the online Apple Store, you know like Amazon.com?
That's nice. What about the second link, the one that shows that the app store can and does have malware in it, approved by Apple? The only reason Parallels Desktop isn't available in the app store isn't because Apple is concerned about security but because of an arbitrary restriction that everything purchased online be in a self-contained .app file. Whoopie.
Both you and the other guy abjectly refused to notice that link, instead focusing on the first one -- as if Apple's requirement that online purchases be self-contained somehow is a bar against security breaches or behavior like that under discussion.
But you know... whatever. You can't argue with fanboys; No matter what you say, they'll take the most insignificant thing and say "See! See! This tiny little bit right here is wrong! You spelled the product name wrong! That means everything you said must also be wrong!"
And yet... I'm the troll...
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
Most end users wont even know it took place. The few that do wont make a dent in their customer base.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
(She?) has always been pretty active, and used to be fairly insightful even if occasionally oversensitive about certain subjects and sometimes misinformed (but not usually to the point of repeatedly stating a false claim). No big deal; we all have our buttons and we all make mistakes. Overall, her posts were a definite benefit to the community.
That was, oh, up until a couple years ago. I couldn't give you a precise point, but these days it sadly does seem more like a troll account. Sad, because the points are still sometimes interesting (such as yes, the Apple app store does sometimes let malware through; no surprise to anybody clued in about this stuff, but Apple explicitly targets the non-clued-in). The way places and times of their presentation, however, leave a lot to be desired. As I said, it's sad.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
You do realize that's not the App store, but Apple's store where they ship you a box with the software?
I notice you ignored the second link: Which shows that malware can and has been uploaded to the app store, which was my original point; The OP said that nothing like Parallels Desktop could be in the app store because it was too "low level".
I'd consider something that steals my credit card info and takes over my browser pretty "low level". The reason why Parallels Desktop isn't in the app store is because it loads kernel modules, not because the app store is somehow 'more secure'.
But hey... I already got a -1 everywhere else for pointing out that it's not all sunshine and kittens in AppleLand and got furious anger and rage from the fanboys... so what's a missed point between slashdotters?
You have no idea how bad you have it with Windows. I say this as a Windows 7 user too. The reason it is a big deal is former Windows users who switched to the Mac left XP/Vista because of this kind of crap!
Registry entries, malware, every free app including malware to slow down yoursystem including sourceforge using i3, eyecandy, ask, or whatever michevious crap! With a mac you want to transfer MS Office to a newer computer? Just copy the files to your phone and copy them back and run them. That is it. No fancy installers, no bizaare registry entries, simple folders, nothing hidden. It is what could have been if neophytes did not pick Windows back in the 1990s.
So if the Mac turns into windows why spend 2x for the switch. I almost was one of them when I seriously considered it 3 years ago. In the end I could not justify the cost sadly and the non upgrade options if I want to game plus my software like Office would need to be repurchased.
I hear the Linux users on here laughing at Windows users. But I no longer run Linux as I had beta quality experience with ATI drivers breaking during updates and terrible guis like gnome 3.
While Apple still has bugs like in its store it is known as a superior platform and people on the west coast use it heavily in universities. In the east it is more 50/50 windows vs mac. They are better if you can afford one and do not mind limited upgrades.
http://saveie6.com/
You have no idea how bad you have it with Windows.
Yeah, it's terrible. Having to worry about whether the latest game will run on the operating system I'm running... or buying hardware at OEM pricing online and incrementally upgrading my system instead of just buying a new one every year... and then there's that pesky problem of having to lug it into an official microsoft store whenever something breaks on it instead of the nearest 14 year old kid. It's rough.
Registry entries, malware, every free app including malware to slow down yoursystem including sourceforge using i3, eyecandy, ask, or whatever michevious crap!
Yes. Because malware authors target the OS with the biggest marketshare. Should Apple one day rule the world, and the Fanboys walk tall... they too shall feel the pain of worms, malware, and things being installed without your consent--oh wait, what was this article about again?
No fancy installers, no bizaare registry entries, simple folders, nothing hidden.
Yeah... that's really hard stuff there. Having to double click on an icon and click next a few times... or opening regedit and going through a tree-structure until you find the right entry, laid out just like any other filesystem.
So if the Mac turns into windows why spend 2x for the switch.
You're spending 2x now... you'll spend a lot more if Macintosh becomes the dominant OS... since you can only buy a Mac from Apple, and you can only buy the OS from Apple, and you can only get the apps from Apple, and all the peripherals are sold by... Apple. All that competition in the PC world sure does keep prices, er... really high, I guess.
While Apple still has bugs like in its store it is known as a superior platform...
To fanboys yes. To the rest of us, it's just another walled garden...
In the east it is more 50/50 windows vs mac.
Citation needed. Go ahead, I'll wait. While you're busy looking for that magical unicorn, articles like this continue to crop up suggesting that China doesn't want to pay the Apple tax.
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
Cry me a fckin river man. Seriously.
Go walk to any university? Macs are everywhere.
I use Windows as well, but under no illusion it is a good platform. Before you critisize the grandparent for mentioning installation explain that to the XP die hards who wont upgrade?
Reason being is they have tons of software. Some with installers lone gone and lost! With a mac you just copy and forget. True some software might not be fully compatible but if you have 16 programs and utilities and 85 gigs of pictures, data, and other settings you are screwed when you want to upgrade.
Windows does not have this. You need to install it which is why people stay with XP on pentium IVs with 512 megs ... in addition to being cheapskates as well and hating change.
You are the first person I know who likes Windows. The rest put up with it because we have work to do and it comes with every computer. There is a reason people are switching to tablets. They just work and you no longer need to wait 10 minutes to use it unlike the Windows XP boxes with Windows Rot and malware on.
Linux while better does have problems with shared libraries and reliance on scripts which are more programs than true scripts in /etc which means you can't just copy over something and run.
You can't criticize if you have not used it for any period of time. Windows truly is awefull and a result of the lack of competition just like IE 6 was.
No matter what you say, they'll take the most insignificant thing and say "See! See! This tiny little bit right here is wrong! You spelled the product name wrong! That means everything you said must also be wrong!"
Half of your post in #44780265 is wrong, and basically all of your post in #44780073 is wrong, except the parts where you start making your own opinions based on the wrong information. Is it not fair for people to point that out? If I made a post that was half full of misinformation, I would expect to be called out for that.
Perhaps you would like to think that although all your premises (the most insignificant thing!) are wrong, your conclusions (the important part, yea?) are still correct. But if that is so, why bother to attempt to make an reasoned argument in the first place? Just click the "Post Anonymously" button and flame away!
Don't quote me on this.
Parallels as a company sucks. Not too long ago when users upgraded to mountain lion they were unable to access their VMs. You had to upgrade to a new version for $50, in order to have the VMs useable. Their website said version 6 did work with mountain lion but then went to change it and basically said FU customers. (here is 11 pages of pissed customers http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?261103-Parallels-6-on-Mountain-Lion-Supported) This latest news makes the company look even worse. I really like parallels as a product but the company behind it is terrible!
And you are sure that's access.app is the only thing useless thing there? And if you specifically said you don't want it and it installs it anyway? This might not be such a big problem with parallers atm, but if it installed some browser bar or extention without your permission, would you not be pissed?
captcha: saddened
Yes, very saddened that this is the way all software seems to be going, fucking the user, just because they can get some bucks out of it, instead of fixing the bugs.
filth
I have an older version of VMware on my iMac (XP) but was going to try Parallels on my new laptop (7). With this news, it's back to VMware for the laptop too. Any company that installs something on one's computer when one has specifically requested that it NOT be installed and that secretly uses system resources, should be crushed like the f..king bugs that they are ...
In the east it is more 50/50 windows vs mac.
Citation needed. Go ahead, I'll wait. While you're busy looking for that magical unicorn, articles like this continue to crop up suggesting that China doesn't want to pay the Apple tax.
You don't get it: "the east" is New York.
I notice you ignored the second link:
Oh my God, you WERE serious.
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Hope it works as well as it worked for Sony after the RootKit fiasco.
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It is amazing it took so long. Finally, OSX has enough market share that it is being targeted by the same lame things that Windows has been hit with for a very long time. Crapware, Foistware, whatever. Basically you've probably all heard the term WinRot - it is the gradual slowdown of a Windows machine due to crappy software being installed (often along with other installers just like in this instance) leading to the eventual desire to just rebuild the system to speed it back up / fix crashes.
Now it looks like OSX is getting some software likely to cause MacRot. Obviously unneeded, hard to remove, startup software will eventually lead to slow booting, slow running Macs. It did take awhile to get here. Welcome to the club OSX!
I believe someone tried to patent this. See European patent application publication WO/2006/096699-A2:
"Method for attributing and allocating revenue related to embedded software"
"A relatively recent form of software distribution may be termed "embedded software." This term refers to situations in which a commercial entity seeks to gain some commercial advantage through a software installation on a user's computer, and it provides software desirable to the user to induce that use. The software desired by the user is bundled with software of interest to the distributor."
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2006096699A2
It's pronounced "DEE-mon". Not "DAY-mon".
Once again, "DEE-mon".
See the "ae"? In the literate, non-mouth-breathing, English-speaking world, that gets the "EEEE" sound. As in "Caesar".
HTH
EA got it's ass handed to it in court for pretty much this exact same reason - installing shit on your system without your permission.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
We have a saying at our repair shop. "If you're stupid enough to buy Apple, you're stupid enough to pay for it."
Everything Apple cost generally 3x as much or more for parts and repairs.
I have been trying to decide if I want to upgrade my VMWare Fusion or try Parallels again. This answers the question, for good. Trust is so important in a relationship. VMWare has been working fine for me. I guess I was just looking for something new.
anyone doing this deserves anything that happens
Guess which 3-letter agency.
Trololol insecure bigot.
No, it means you're an Apple shill and you've been sucking on Steve Jobs' cancerous, rotting dick for so long that his sperm has fermented in your skull.
Your hero is dead, let that sink in for a while. Better yet, your genius hero is dead because he bought into medical quackery rather than receiving treatment. Yeah, he was a real "innovator" alright. Too bad he couldn't innovate his way out of an early grave.
Actually I did tell them that I wanted to try this thing and it actually worked as advertised. I just don't find it useful enough to use, especially since it is very expensive.
A sufficiently advanced simulation is indistinguishable from reality.
Probably worth noting that the users seem to have resolved the problem (with uninstall guidance) for themselves ...
ELITISM: It's always lonely at the top. Uninvited company is rarely welcome.
I "ignored" it because I read it and saw it had nothing to do with the misstatement I quoted, but was another point entirely.