Your comment completely disregards the benefits of the social and emotional learning done in college. Also known as making friends (with a diverse set of people) and getting laid.
And none of this happens in the workplace? I beg to differ... apart from the getting laid part, perhaps. Dunno what your company policy is like.
The social world of a full time worker is very, very different than one of a college student. I'd argue the the college atmosphere is far more conducive to social and emotional growth.
It also assumes that someone working as an IT monkey will spend free time learning but that someone in college won't.
No, it assumes that both will continue to learn on their own, and thus end up at about par for the time spent. The experience may differ between the practical and theoretical, the mechanics and the concepts. I am assuming a self-motivated, intelligent individual in both cases. But my point isn't that one is better than the other, but that a degree is not necessary to be successful in the field, contrary to the previous poster.
You're right, I misunderstood your argument and I apologize and agree with your point. But while college may not be necessary for a successful career, I do feel that going to college is *generally* a better option in terms of developing happiness. Especially for "nerds".:)
Solid post. I've been out of college working as a developer for about 12 years and have been thinking about going back to school. I miss the culture of learning, especially the smart women.:)
Your comment completely disregards the benefits of the social and emotional learning done in college. Also known as making friends (with a diverse set of people) and getting laid.
It also assumes that someone working as an IT monkey will spend free time learning but that someone in college won't. College students generally have significantly more free time than full time workers, time which can be spent engaging with professors, hanging out in user groups, contributing to FOSS projects, or even volunteering as a cable pulling, malware removing, printer fixing "IT person" for local non-profits.
At a job or in college, what you get out is a function of what you put in. Personally I think college offers superior returns. Learning the fundamentals of C.S. or Math + a diverse set of electives or a second major >>> grunt level IT work, and the rest is up to the individual.
An utterly useless article information wise, and a little too over the top to be considered a fine example of hater bait. I know you're not the brightest bunch, but surely you can do better than this, eds.
When my girlfriend bought herself an iPod touch, I reacted negatively and joked that she was now part of the Apple fanclub, and asked her when her lifesized poster of her new overlord (Jobs) would arrive in the mail. I also dismissed certain advantages of the touch outright (app store = full of crap, better touch screen = not a big deal, wifi = battery leech, etc) while taking pride in the advantages of my own purchase (AMOLED screen = sexy, broad file format support = better, superior EQ = awesome, etc.).
How did your GF resolve the Cognitive Dissonance in the situation you created by the fanboi jokes?
Unless you have limitless resources or extremely limited goals, you are underserving anyone using a decent browser by spending development time on IE 5.5.
Nobody is trying to make you look like a hypocrite, but I will point out that you are either intellectually dishonest or deficient if you think there is no user cost to supporting many API versions.
The hottest girl in the world will never sleep with you even if you can prove that |P(S)| > |S|, that indeterminacy leaves room for God to give us free will, or even that "nobody ever has to know," if you can't remember her name.
Life sucks that way, but I always find that guessing a Jess or Jen early is better than stalling and getting caught later.
(On the flip side, nothing is better than actually remembering a girl's name and knowing she doesn't remember yours and sleeping with her anyway. Who ever said life is fair?)
That is irrelevant. You applied 'easier' to topic, not major. The phrase, "Computer Science is easy" means something when referring to the topic of Computer Science than when referring to the major.
And the 'difficulty' of the topics covered by a major is not the sole factor invovled in making a major 'easy' or 'hard'. I'd consider most of the topics in the typical English major to be fairly straightforward compared to Math for instance. But for someone equally good at English and math, I'd say English would be the 'harder' major since English classes generally have a ton of reading and paper writing compared to the relatively light workload of a typical math class.
But in your original post you used the phrase 'where people major in easier topics'. If you meant to say 'where people have less time-consuming majors' then you should have.
If you clean, well structured code was one of your design goals why did you choose PHP in the first place? I don't mean to bag on your setup as it sounds like it's running great, but it seems like you've done a lot of work to emulate in PHP things that you get in Java for free.
I don't know if you're a simple troll or a simple-ton, but either way your logic is utterly flawed.
I work producing a software product that I personally wouldn't use. Does that mean nobody would use it? Apparently not since my company is profitable and I get paid.
Also, 'backwards' is a matter of perspective. For ordinary home users who have trouble keeping their desktops clean and their start menus in order, don't keep backups of their data, and throw away their PCs every couple years because of viruses and spyware, a thin client solution would certainly be considered a step 'forward'.
That's just dumb. I've been waiting for ages for a decent 'gaming mouse' that added an extra button or two. I've tried the previous logitech ones but frankly they sucked. They were too small for my hand, the buttons didnt go all the way to the top of the mouse, the side buttons were terribly layed out and too small and the scroll wheel was hard to use as a button (though it was wonderfully precise for scrolling).
When my last mouse broke I grabbed my 7 year old logitech scroll mouse with thumb button out of my 'scrap heap' and was amazed. It's perfectly sized, the thumb button is far, far better placed than in the more modern layouts, and the scroll wheel is easy to use as a button. A mouse with this layout but with 2 more thumb buttons (each the same size as the current one but layed out vertically, NOT HORIZONTALLY YOU JACKASSES!), laser tracking, a slightly bigger scroll wheel with tilt, and maybe a pinky button would be 1000x better then most of the crappy mouse designs out today.
It's like with gamepads... the '2 rows of 3 buttons' of the early PC gamepad days is simply far superior to the '4 button diamond' used today. Thumbs naturally move side to side without reshaping the hand... but I guess the diamond looks cool so that's what we get now.
I was about to post a great comment about how the parent was too focused on money and how I am perfectly happy making what I make because I am intrinsically motivatived and enjoy what I do.... and then you blow my whole argument out of the water...
Personally, I find the code example you listed above quite pleasing. Would you rather have objects with tons of methods so you wouldn't have to chain the calls?
I may be wrong (ok, that's a lie), but using someone's behavior to make statments about him AS A PERSON is not an ad hominem argument.
If the parent had attacked Fluery's IDEAS based on the fact the Fluery is the type of person who uses ad hominem arguments, then THAT would be an ad hominem argument.
It's even easier than starting your own company... Just find some runaway girls and pimp them. They're easily replacable and therefore you get to keep 80% of the money they bring in. When a girl starts to complain you just ask her "Would you rather be back on the street with no job?"
I used to be a coder until I realized working is for suckers... Making money of the work of others is the REAL American way.
Is this story some kind of weird dig at the kind of people who get their 'philosophy' from The Matrix? Or are you actually being serious. I can't tell if I'm supposed to be laughing or crying right now...
And also that Farscape and BSG are both friggen Bad-Ass. They are (were) both completely different shows in tone and content but were (are) both absolutely spellbinging in ways that 'the females of the species' can get into.
I loved Farscape and liked Firefly, but c'mon... could anything either of those shows have done compared with the 2-part ending of BSG's first season? My face was honestly twitching with the scenes of Sharon with the pistol in her mouth and 'is Apollo banging Starbuck?? Oh hell no, sweet!, it's the Doc!! Booya!! Oh... wait... (stomach drops)"
Exactly why "imports" don't work in javascript. Unless you are insanely meticulous about your naming conventions, even simple javascripts stuff written by your 'html guys' can have terrible reprocusions.
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Your comment completely disregards the benefits of the social and emotional learning done in college. Also known as making friends (with a diverse set of people) and getting laid.
And none of this happens in the workplace? I beg to differ... apart from the getting laid part, perhaps. Dunno what your company policy is like.
The social world of a full time worker is very, very different than one of a college student. I'd argue the the college atmosphere is far more conducive to social and emotional growth.
It also assumes that someone working as an IT monkey will spend free time learning but that someone in college won't.
No, it assumes that both will continue to learn on their own, and thus end up at about par for the time spent. The experience may differ between the practical and theoretical, the mechanics and the concepts. I am assuming a self-motivated, intelligent individual in both cases. But my point isn't that one is better than the other, but that a degree is not necessary to be successful in the field, contrary to the previous poster.
You're right, I misunderstood your argument and I apologize and agree with your point. But while college may not be necessary for a successful career, I do feel that going to college is *generally* a better option in terms of developing happiness. Especially for "nerds". :)
Solid post. I've been out of college working as a developer for about 12 years and have been thinking about going back to school. I miss the culture of learning, especially the smart women. :)
Your comment completely disregards the benefits of the social and emotional learning done in college. Also known as making friends (with a diverse set of people) and getting laid.
It also assumes that someone working as an IT monkey will spend free time learning but that someone in college won't. College students generally have significantly more free time than full time workers, time which can be spent engaging with professors, hanging out in user groups, contributing to FOSS projects, or even volunteering as a cable pulling, malware removing, printer fixing "IT person" for local non-profits.
At a job or in college, what you get out is a function of what you put in. Personally I think college offers superior returns. Learning the fundamentals of C.S. or Math + a diverse set of electives or a second major >>> grunt level IT work, and the rest is up to the individual.
An utterly useless article information wise, and a little too over the top to be considered a fine example of hater bait. I know you're not the brightest bunch, but surely you can do better than this, eds.
When my girlfriend bought herself an iPod touch, I reacted negatively and joked that she was now part of the Apple fanclub, and asked her when her lifesized poster of her new overlord (Jobs) would arrive in the mail. I also dismissed certain advantages of the touch outright (app store = full of crap, better touch screen = not a big deal, wifi = battery leech, etc) while taking pride in the advantages of my own purchase (AMOLED screen = sexy, broad file format support = better, superior EQ = awesome, etc.).
How did your GF resolve the Cognitive Dissonance in the situation you created by the fanboi jokes?
Unless you have limitless resources or extremely limited goals, you are underserving anyone using a decent browser by spending development time on IE 5.5.
Nobody is trying to make you look like a hypocrite, but I will point out that you are either intellectually dishonest or deficient if you think there is no user cost to supporting many API versions.
Except for the all-important aspect of names.
The hottest girl in the world will never sleep with you even if you can prove that |P(S)| > |S|, that indeterminacy leaves room for God to give us free will, or even that "nobody ever has to know," if you can't remember her name.
Life sucks that way, but I always find that guessing a Jess or Jen early is better than stalling and getting caught later.
(On the flip side, nothing is better than actually remembering a girl's name and knowing she doesn't remember yours and sleeping with her anyway. Who ever said life is fair?)
You'll be able to do all your work AND get laid more.
That is irrelevant. You applied 'easier' to topic, not major. The phrase, "Computer Science is easy" means something when referring to the topic of Computer Science than when referring to the major.
And the 'difficulty' of the topics covered by a major is not the sole factor invovled in making a major 'easy' or 'hard'. I'd consider most of the topics in the typical English major to be fairly straightforward compared to Math for instance. But for someone equally good at English and math, I'd say English would be the 'harder' major since English classes generally have a ton of reading and paper writing compared to the relatively light workload of a typical math class.
I'm sure your MAJOR is difficult. But your originally applied the adjective 'easier' to the word TOPICS, not MAJORS.
Note that I'm not saying all majors are equally difficult, I am simply pointing out a flaw in your use of English.
But in your original post you used the phrase 'where people major in easier topics'. If you meant to say 'where people have less time-consuming majors' then you should have.
...were you paid to submit this here?
If you clean, well structured code was one of your design goals why did you choose PHP in the first place? I don't mean to bag on your setup as it sounds like it's running great, but it seems like you've done a lot of work to emulate in PHP things that you get in Java for free.
People who are intrinsically motivated will still create new software.
People who are motivated by money will create new patents.
People who are motivated by money and have true vision will become patent laywers.
I don't know if you're a simple troll or a simple-ton, but either way your logic is utterly flawed.
I work producing a software product that I personally wouldn't use. Does that mean nobody would use it? Apparently not since my company is profitable and I get paid.
Also, 'backwards' is a matter of perspective. For ordinary home users who have trouble keeping their desktops clean and their start menus in order, don't keep backups of their data, and throw away their PCs every couple years because of viruses and spyware, a thin client solution would certainly be considered a step 'forward'.
That's just dumb. I've been waiting for ages for a decent 'gaming mouse' that added an extra button or two. I've tried the previous logitech ones but frankly they sucked. They were too small for my hand, the buttons didnt go all the way to the top of the mouse, the side buttons were terribly layed out and too small and the scroll wheel was hard to use as a button (though it was wonderfully precise for scrolling).
When my last mouse broke I grabbed my 7 year old logitech scroll mouse with thumb button out of my 'scrap heap' and was amazed. It's perfectly sized, the thumb button is far, far better placed than in the more modern layouts, and the scroll wheel is easy to use as a button. A mouse with this layout but with 2 more thumb buttons (each the same size as the current one but layed out vertically, NOT HORIZONTALLY YOU JACKASSES!), laser tracking, a slightly bigger scroll wheel with tilt, and maybe a pinky button would be 1000x better then most of the crappy mouse designs out today.
It's like with gamepads... the '2 rows of 3 buttons' of the early PC gamepad days is simply far superior to the '4 button diamond' used today. Thumbs naturally move side to side without reshaping the hand... but I guess the diamond looks cool so that's what we get now.
I was about to post a great comment about how the parent was too focused on money and how I am perfectly happy making what I make because I am intrinsically motivatived and enjoy what I do.... and then you blow my whole argument out of the water...
damn you!
Personally, I find the code example you listed above quite pleasing. Would you rather have objects with tons of methods so you wouldn't have to chain the calls?
I may be wrong (ok, that's a lie), but using someone's behavior to make statments about him AS A PERSON is not an ad hominem argument.
If the parent had attacked Fluery's IDEAS based on the fact the Fluery is the type of person who uses ad hominem arguments, then THAT would be an ad hominem argument.
Yeah, too bad he doesn't wield enough power to start a war and sacrifice innocent lives over his *PERSONAL* hatred for a single indiviual.
Of course, maybe he's not the type of person who'd ask your sons and mine to die because our daddies tried to kill one another and failed.
In Scandanavia "chicks" don't take offense at the word chicks.
They may, however, take offense at you implying that most women would leave a man because he wasn't making money.
It's even easier than starting your own company... Just find some runaway girls and pimp them. They're easily replacable and therefore you get to keep 80% of the money they bring in. When a girl starts to complain you just ask her "Would you rather be back on the street with no job?"
I used to be a coder until I realized working is for suckers... Making money of the work of others is the REAL American way.
Is this story some kind of weird dig at the kind of people who get their 'philosophy' from The Matrix? Or are you actually being serious. I can't tell if I'm supposed to be laughing or crying right now...
And also that Farscape and BSG are both friggen Bad-Ass. They are (were) both completely different shows in tone and content but were (are) both absolutely spellbinging in ways that 'the females of the species' can get into.
I loved Farscape and liked Firefly, but c'mon... could anything either of those shows have done compared with the 2-part ending of BSG's first season? My face was honestly twitching with the scenes of Sharon with the pistol in her mouth and 'is Apollo banging Starbuck?? Oh hell no, sweet!, it's the Doc!! Booya!! Oh... wait... (stomach drops)"
Exactly why "imports" don't work in javascript. Unless you are insanely meticulous about your naming conventions, even simple javascripts stuff written by your 'html guys' can have terrible reprocusions.