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KDE is absolutely not bloated. A modern desktop SHOULD provide a wide range of services to apps --- including net IO, a web browser component, rss, clipboards, drag and drop, color management, printing, contacts, emailing, calendaring, multimedia, threading, event passing, IPC, tagging, database access, URL shortcuts, launching, file management, thumbnails, etc. Many modern apps use these these things, and it makes absolutely no sense for them all to have dis-integrated separate implementations.
If you want to see bloat, look at the apps for any popular desktop that DOESN'T provide a solid, modern, complete core. Run any modern workflow, like quoting a webpage and editing photos to embed in your spell-checked word processor document, to email to someone whose name is all you can recall. Compare memory use, workflow, and integration, AFTER getting used to each desktop for a few months and learning all of the little integration features provided by each solution. I challenge anyone to do it on linux and find a desktop that beats KDE.
This isn't a situation where you need to break the law to make a living or to feed your kids. It's just music and movies.
True, but you're overlooking the very real part that music and movies play in modern society and our interactions. Plenty of people talk in work or school or whatever about particular songs or movies, use them in pop culture references and jokes. Teens even form social cliques based around preferred bands. And note that I said bands there, not musicians, because, by and large, it's the industry-invented "boy bands", "girl bands", etc. that have this effect.
Like it or not, music and movies are part of the fabric of our society now. It has been argued that music at least, always was, and that it's just been stolen in recent years by copyright abusers. Either way, music and movies are important, and it has become a kind of social poverty to go without them.
How exactly they are going to manage a good reliable power transmission with the kind of floating power station, Any idea?
They've discovered that a relatively unorthodox technology, known as "peer to peer" is a good solution. Unfortunately big corporations have made it illegal in every country but sweden. The upshot is that, instead of using the natural infrastructure of a p2p network that already exists, the company will be based in sweden, and all of the floating windmills will be directly tied to their HQ, by long cables. From sweden, the company will then export it back to your house, beside the windmill, on trucks.
But don't worry, you will get a shiny plastic wrapper for your 1-ton battery, and an insert with lots of credits to the corporations who made it possible, and copyright notices.
Please do not link that way, using words like "at" and "least" as the link text. Hypertext (as in HyperText Transfer Protocol) was designed to link complex words or phrases to more details about those particular things. So, for example, if you're talking about a link to a page about JFFS, you link the term, JFFS, not "this other page" or "see here", or anything like that.
It does involve having to think about how you write a phrase sometimes, but means that everyone has a consistent interface, knowing what they'll get when they click on something, and that search engines can contextually analyse links based on the page they come from, etc.
Yes, but by choosing to use your product, they ARE agreeing to cooperate. That's the whole point of using copyright, which is where the agreement can be spelt out and enforced.
But, Timothy, your signature is actually a much better argument against this:)
More and more companies moving away from GPL? That's a strange conclusion, considering that it's probably had the fastest growing mindshare an uptake of any software license, ever, and that GPLv3 is proving very popular already with new projects and migrations.
There's absolutely no ethical reason to choose a less restrictive license over the GPL. The only thing the GPL restricts is the ability to restrict others. THAT is possibly a reason to avoid it, since, for example, I would like to prevent military types from using things I worked on, but avoiding the GPL because you want corporations to have the ability to use public works it in works they then keep from the public is a VERY strange notion.
Exactly. Also, half an hour to get 25 degrees of heat from 7 grams of material does not sound like a nuclear event to me, although I'm admittedly no expert (or even a layman).
It's not about "servers" vs. "resolvers". All DNS Servers ARE servers. That's where the confusion comes from! It's really not that complex, though. In fact, the concepts are familiar to anyone who knows the difference between a web server and a web proxy.
The most important kind of DNS servers -- the ones that make up the DNS hierarchy -- are called AUTHORITATIVE servers. These are what actually provide information about domains' hosts. You set one up when you're serving DNS for a domain (an internet domain, a lan domain, or both).
RECURSIVE (not "resolver") DNS Servers, on the other hand, are more like caching proxies. They don't know anything by themselves. Instead, they accept DNS queries, consult the worldwide hierarchy of DNS servers for them, and then pass the answer to the client that made the request. Often, they'll cache that request for a certain time, in case any other client asks the same thing. You set one of these up when you want to cache requests within your organisation for efficiency reasons, or when you want to bypass your upstream so-called DNS servers (which are actually recursive servers/resolvers) for some reason.
The main thing to watch out for is setting up a server that's supposed to be authoritative for your internet domain, answering queries about it for the world, but is ALSO a recursive server, which answers queries about any other domain too.
Well, the fact that you don't see the connection does not preclude the link. Many people would say that coding is boring, and yet others find it interesting just to browse code. The fact that people on slashdot (mostly coders and other IT people) are interested in these codes suggests an overlap. In fact, I doubt many people would argue with that (although I'm sure it'll be the few who would argue that will reply;). I stand by what I said.
Yes, and if anyone needed proof that open source is better than closed source for finding bugs or fixing security vulnerabilities, this is yet more evidence.
is exactly why I don't own an Apple. I'd love to have a Macbook Pro, but I just can't justify paying that much for yet another computer.
If you have a recent box, just download and install kalyway or leo4all. Free mac for your PC. Not compatible with all hardware yet, but after swapping my Geforce 8xxx for a 7xxx, and disabling my second cpu core, it runs great. Definitely a step up from windows on the same machine, even WITH the better gfx and another core. But give it some time, and drivers will be out for that hardware too.
To: tony.blair@asshat.com From: timmarthys_friend@clueless.com Subject: fwd: timmarthy's email
Hi Tony,
Check out the funny signature on this email my friend sent:
Five seconds ago, timmarthy wrote: > shit man, the government stinks. > > -- >"One...two..ahahhahha." - The Count, Sesame Street >
p.s.: he's using something called "G P G". Any idea what that is? Or why someone would use it? Timmarthy's weird... he's into all these funky internet groups.
Hahhah, well, if you're going to talk about the government's level of concern about random sites popular with the blogosphere at any given moment, all I'm going to say is... good luck with that.
Which only shows that the government isn't bothered by DailyKOS posters. Not surprising, since a) I haven't even heard of them, so they can't be very big; b) they're not all middle-eastern. However, they ARE bothered by extremist middle-eastern folk, and so it's their treatment of those people that you need to watch.
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KDE is absolutely not bloated. A modern desktop SHOULD provide a wide range of services to apps --- including net IO, a web browser component, rss, clipboards, drag and drop, color management, printing, contacts, emailing, calendaring, multimedia, threading, event passing, IPC, tagging, database access, URL shortcuts, launching, file management, thumbnails, etc. Many modern apps use these these things, and it makes absolutely no sense for them all to have dis-integrated separate implementations.
If you want to see bloat, look at the apps for any popular desktop that DOESN'T provide a solid, modern, complete core. Run any modern workflow, like quoting a webpage and editing photos to embed in your spell-checked word processor document, to email to someone whose name is all you can recall. Compare memory use, workflow, and integration, AFTER getting used to each desktop for a few months and learning all of the little integration features provided by each solution. I challenge anyone to do it on linux and find a desktop that beats KDE.
True, but you're overlooking the very real part that music and movies play in modern society and our interactions. Plenty of people talk in work or school or whatever about particular songs or movies, use them in pop culture references and jokes. Teens even form social cliques based around preferred bands. And note that I said bands there, not musicians, because, by and large, it's the industry-invented "boy bands", "girl bands", etc. that have this effect.
Like it or not, music and movies are part of the fabric of our society now. It has been argued that music at least, always was, and that it's just been stolen in recent years by copyright abusers. Either way, music and movies are important, and it has become a kind of social poverty to go without them.
They've discovered that a relatively unorthodox technology, known as "peer to peer" is a good solution. Unfortunately big corporations have made it illegal in every country but sweden. The upshot is that, instead of using the natural infrastructure of a p2p network that already exists, the company will be based in sweden, and all of the floating windmills will be directly tied to their HQ, by long cables. From sweden, the company will then export it back to your house, beside the windmill, on trucks.
But don't worry, you will get a shiny plastic wrapper for your 1-ton battery, and an insert with lots of credits to the corporations who made it possible, and copyright notices.
I think the way you choose to talk will repel people (or grown-ups, at least) just fine.
Please do not link that way, using words like "at" and "least" as the link text. Hypertext (as in HyperText Transfer Protocol) was designed to link complex words or phrases to more details about those particular things. So, for example, if you're talking about a link to a page about JFFS, you link the term, JFFS, not "this other page" or "see here", or anything like that.
It does involve having to think about how you write a phrase sometimes, but means that everyone has a consistent interface, knowing what they'll get when they click on something, and that search engines can contextually analyse links based on the page they come from, etc.
I was following right up until "if".
Yes, but by choosing to use your product, they ARE agreeing to cooperate. That's the whole point of using copyright, which is where the agreement can be spelt out and enforced.
:)
But, Timothy, your signature is actually a much better argument against this
Noted; thanks for your insights :)
I guess, as you say, it does sound like a good amount of energy for so little fuel, whatever the explanation.
More and more companies moving away from GPL? That's a strange conclusion, considering that it's probably had the fastest growing mindshare an uptake of any software license, ever, and that GPLv3 is proving very popular already with new projects and migrations.
There's absolutely no ethical reason to choose a less restrictive license over the GPL. The only thing the GPL restricts is the ability to restrict others. THAT is possibly a reason to avoid it, since, for example, I would like to prevent military types from using things I worked on, but avoiding the GPL because you want corporations to have the ability to use public works it in works they then keep from the public is a VERY strange notion.
Exactly. Also, half an hour to get 25 degrees of heat from 7 grams of material does not sound like a nuclear event to me, although I'm admittedly no expert (or even a layman).
It sounds a lot like this experiment with similar materials from around 2002, which was ridiculed.
It's not about "servers" vs. "resolvers". All DNS Servers ARE servers. That's where the confusion comes from! It's really not that complex, though. In fact, the concepts are familiar to anyone who knows the difference between a web server and a web proxy.
The most important kind of DNS servers -- the ones that make up the DNS hierarchy -- are called AUTHORITATIVE servers. These are what actually provide information about domains' hosts. You set one up when you're serving DNS for a domain (an internet domain, a lan domain, or both).
RECURSIVE (not "resolver") DNS Servers, on the other hand, are more like caching proxies. They don't know anything by themselves. Instead, they accept DNS queries, consult the worldwide hierarchy of DNS servers for them, and then pass the answer to the client that made the request. Often, they'll cache that request for a certain time, in case any other client asks the same thing. You set one of these up when you want to cache requests within your organisation for efficiency reasons, or when you want to bypass your upstream so-called DNS servers (which are actually recursive servers/resolvers) for some reason.
The main thing to watch out for is setting up a server that's supposed to be authoritative for your internet domain, answering queries about it for the world, but is ALSO a recursive server, which answers queries about any other domain too.
No, he said he couldn't afford one, so I provided a cheaper option. No one said it was equivalent. Although, for all practical purposes, it is.
Well good for you. I call property theft. Don't like it? Tough.
These are aliens, remember? I think you meant penii.
Don't be lazy: do your own research. Just press a few keys, then refer to the blue screen.
This was my first thought too. But then I realised that they've obviously omitted that fact on purpose, to solve an infinite recursion paradox:
Vista is malware
Vista can host malware
Therefore vista is self-hosting
Vista is unstable
Therefore, vista can't host a stable OS
Therefore Vista can't host itse..
Oh, never mind. It works out just fine.
Well, the fact that you don't see the connection does not preclude the link. Many people would say that coding is boring, and yet others find it interesting just to browse code. The fact that people on slashdot (mostly coders and other IT people) are interested in these codes suggests an overlap. In fact, I doubt many people would argue with that (although I'm sure it'll be the few who would argue that will reply ;). I stand by what I said.
Yes, and if anyone needed proof that open source is better than closed source for finding bugs or fixing security vulnerabilities, this is yet more evidence.
If you have a recent box, just download and install kalyway or leo4all. Free mac for your PC. Not compatible with all hardware yet, but after swapping my Geforce 8xxx for a 7xxx, and disabling my second cpu core, it runs great. Definitely a step up from windows on the same machine, even WITH the better gfx and another core. But give it some time, and drivers will be out for that hardware too.
Feel safe now?
No, that's what they know will rile people up in England, so that's what they tell voters. Probably while slipping other laws through unnoticed.
Well, you're being repeatedly and deliberately offensive, so I'll leave it here. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Hahhah, well, if you're going to talk about the government's level of concern about random sites popular with the blogosphere at any given moment, all I'm going to say is... good luck with that.
The same way people "know" that Microsoft Windows is a good idea.
Which only shows that the government isn't bothered by DailyKOS posters. Not surprising, since a) I haven't even heard of them, so they can't be very big; b) they're not all middle-eastern. However, they ARE bothered by extremist middle-eastern folk, and so it's their treatment of those people that you need to watch.