Yep. The fact that debian, as a successful non-commercial distro, as taken a different approach, where you can just update rather than installing this mythical "new operating system" that companies like MS call the upgrade from 95-98 or 2000-XP is evidence of the BS going on. In Debian, the releases are essentially just a distributable snapshot on physical media, for people who can't stay up to date in other ways.
That model of having an OS and then upgrading to a "different" OS won't last, I suspect.
More relevantly though... I also wonder about this whole upgrade to have modern graphics thing. If you think about it, computer games have been doing highly interactive and smoothly animated graphics for years, with quick response times. Now, we're pushing the envelope a bit, with scalable graphics and higher resolutions and multitasking etc., but I still think a lot could be achieved with older hardware if an effort was made. Sadly, on Linux and other Free desktops, we're still waiting for manufacturers to do the right thing and support their hardware with documentation or at least decent closed, ported, and supported drivers.
I said I have customers, but taking that out of context is nothing short of avoiding my point. Certainly, taking it out of context and then claiming equality based on that snippet of similarity is irrelevant and childish. As such, I'm done with this conversation.
Utter bull I'm sad to say. You'd be wise to have sound backup for accusations like that in future, unless you want to be seen as trying to score points by attacking someone respectable.
Precisely. All of the internet's technology is open, and there's (apparently) plenty of dark fibre out there along with wireless and satellite, so there's no reason that those who want it can't band together and build a new internet (complete with anonymity or whatever else is desired) if it comes to that.
Well, he certainly never bowed to those who endangered people's rights or freedoms. And that's exactly what Go Daddy are doing, by choosing and promoting an insecure platform for what seems like political or money-oriented purposes. This not only shows a lack of IT sense, but also a lack of integrity. Go Daddy just lost my custom; I'll be switching later today.
Yep, with the popup blocker too. Konqueror is the only browser I know that has a fully reliable popup-blocker. I certainly wouldn't trust IE's to work, given that Firefox's doesn't, and IE has been statistically shown to be much less secure. Time will tell, but until then, I'm assuming the worst, with good reason.
Wrong. For one thing, VB.NET is basically VB6 with a new runtime and the object orientation problems addressed (I gather they weren't completely fixed, from other slashdot comments). It may have new things, but don't try to claim there's no similarity.
That's just an API. Any browser that implemented a compliant API could provide the same features. For instance, there is a mozilla add on that actually does replace embedded IE activeX objects.
One thing about Google is that they (sometimes) open up their APIs. For Free Software financial apps, it would be really great to have a free stock quotes feed that was realtime.
On the contrary; using a framework like ASP that does something in an overcomplicated, non-compliant way, when the rest of us can do it because we learned the standards properly... that's incompetence. Having the responsibility to make your products work properly with other products is competence. Unknowingly assisting a monopoly because you don't realise you're being used as a pawn... that's incompetence.
What does the new package manager ineptitude have to do with someone's gramma?
Well, I never drew the relation, so forgive me if this is an attempt to work out someone else's poor logic... Presumably ineptitude would be a package manager on a non-Debian distro, and those users might be grammatically challenged?;)
I think his point was that he got OUT of.NET because it was inadequate for serious work. I haven't used.NET, but it wouldn't surprise me, based on the problems I had with ASP before I managed to get out of the crappy company that used it.
That's a good point. I guess the same thing applies though, except it would be buffered a little by Debian's mostly-ethical stance: if Linux goes DRM, and it becomes a standard thing that applications use, then people will start asking why it's not in Debian, and eventually it'll work its way into the non-free section, and then maybe ubuntu will take it up in the main distro or something, and people will compare ubuntu to debian and say that certain apps can't run etc. And that's assuming that Debian is going to take a stand against DRM; which I don't know they will. Slippery road, like I said. If you have heard anything on Debian's official DRM stance, I'd be interested to hear about it.
Focus groups? Yeah, that'll tell you a lot about the average internet user. How many internet users do you know who are focus group participants. Look up interference theory sometime. I have customers and successful websites, and I've remade websites and seen the popularity grow massively just from applying a few simple principles. Get back to me when you can say the same.
Yes, usability is content + design. I pretty much said that. But, it's not just graphic design. In fact, that's a relatively unimportant sub-component of the kind of design it does need: information design.
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Well, he was talking about getting around it, so I don't think he'd be that surprised.
As for them making it cross-platform, that would involve standards, which.NET is a deliberate departure from, for monopolistic purposes. If you want cross-platform, stick with the standards that built the cross-platform internet to begin with.
The simple fact is, people don't care for fancy graphics. That's nice to look at, but it won't make you come back day after day. What people want is meaningful content, that's easily accessible. People want the semantic web, and RSS feeds from sites all over the net, in a simple browser, not animations that take ages to wade through, and must be waded through differently on each site. Plenty of Fish is a good example of that, but OK Cupid is a better one, and the popularity figures will show the difference.
These words have become commonly used household terms now. I think the trademarks should no longer apply. Really... if someone wants to make a fan-flic called Superman 10, then why not? It's not like, by the time your product is a household word, you haven't made much money yet.
Because, the default will become the standard, and soon, software will require it. That would be fine, of course -- I could just use it until it invaded my life or my rights too much, then switch. However, I also contribute to the GNU/Linux community in various ways, and I won't continue to lend my voice to something that's going down a road towards DRM, however slowly its getting there. If Linux goes DRM, I'll go elsewhere, and develop for and support that instead.
If it can only be explained in terms of human experience, what are you doing online trying to put it in Wikipedia?
No, I'm not talking about god. I agree that there isn't one actually. But, take a look at the wikipedia page for compassion, for instance, and ask yourself if a couple of paragraphs is really doing the subject justice, given that some people have spent based their lives upon it. There's more to life than facts and figures. As I said, I applaud Wikipedia's goals, but only half of our brain works on logic. Without the other side, I believe they're missing a great deal of the wealth of human knowledge and understanding.
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Well that's the most immature thing I've heard for a while now, thanks.
Yep. The fact that debian, as a successful non-commercial distro, as taken a different approach, where you can just update rather than installing this mythical "new operating system" that companies like MS call the upgrade from 95-98 or 2000-XP is evidence of the BS going on. In Debian, the releases are essentially just a distributable snapshot on physical media, for people who can't stay up to date in other ways.
That model of having an OS and then upgrading to a "different" OS won't last, I suspect.
More relevantly though... I also wonder about this whole upgrade to have modern graphics thing. If you think about it, computer games have been doing highly interactive and smoothly animated graphics for years, with quick response times. Now, we're pushing the envelope a bit, with scalable graphics and higher resolutions and multitasking etc., but I still think a lot could be achieved with older hardware if an effort was made. Sadly, on Linux and other Free desktops, we're still waiting for manufacturers to do the right thing and support their hardware with documentation or at least decent closed, ported, and supported drivers.
I said I have customers, but taking that out of context is nothing short of avoiding my point. Certainly, taking it out of context and then claiming equality based on that snippet of similarity is irrelevant and childish. As such, I'm done with this conversation.
Utter bull I'm sad to say. You'd be wise to have sound backup for accusations like that in future, unless you want to be seen as trying to score points by attacking someone respectable.
Precisely. All of the internet's technology is open, and there's (apparently) plenty of dark fibre out there along with wireless and satellite, so there's no reason that those who want it can't band together and build a new internet (complete with anonymity or whatever else is desired) if it comes to that.
Well, he certainly never bowed to those who endangered people's rights or freedoms. And that's exactly what Go Daddy are doing, by choosing and promoting an insecure platform for what seems like political or money-oriented purposes. This not only shows a lack of IT sense, but also a lack of integrity. Go Daddy just lost my custom; I'll be switching later today.
Yep, with the popup blocker too. Konqueror is the only browser I know that has a fully reliable popup-blocker. I certainly wouldn't trust IE's to work, given that Firefox's doesn't, and IE has been statistically shown to be much less secure. Time will tell, but until then, I'm assuming the worst, with good reason.
Wrong. For one thing, VB.NET is basically VB6 with a new runtime and the object orientation problems addressed (I gather they weren't completely fixed, from other slashdot comments). It may have new things, but don't try to claim there's no similarity.
That's just an API. Any browser that implemented a compliant API could provide the same features. For instance, there is a mozilla add on that actually does replace embedded IE activeX objects.
One thing about Google is that they (sometimes) open up their APIs. For Free Software financial apps, it would be really great to have a free stock quotes feed that was realtime.
On the contrary; using a framework like ASP that does something in an overcomplicated, non-compliant way, when the rest of us can do it because we learned the standards properly... that's incompetence. Having the responsibility to make your products work properly with other products is competence. Unknowingly assisting a monopoly because you don't realise you're being used as a pawn... that's incompetence.
Well, I never drew the relation, so forgive me if this is an attempt to work out someone else's poor logic... Presumably ineptitude would be a package manager on a non-Debian distro, and those users might be grammatically challenged?
I think his point was that he got OUT of .NET because it was inadequate for serious work. I haven't used .NET, but it wouldn't surprise me, based on the problems I had with ASP before I managed to get out of the crappy company that used it.
Yes, almost as astounding as the article itself.
That's a good point. I guess the same thing applies though, except it would be buffered a little by Debian's mostly-ethical stance: if Linux goes DRM, and it becomes a standard thing that applications use, then people will start asking why it's not in Debian, and eventually it'll work its way into the non-free section, and then maybe ubuntu will take it up in the main distro or something, and people will compare ubuntu to debian and say that certain apps can't run etc. And that's assuming that Debian is going to take a stand against DRM; which I don't know they will. Slippery road, like I said. If you have heard anything on Debian's official DRM stance, I'd be interested to hear about it.
Focus groups? Yeah, that'll tell you a lot about the average internet user. How many internet users do you know who are focus group participants. Look up interference theory sometime. I have customers and successful websites, and I've remade websites and seen the popularity grow massively just from applying a few simple principles. Get back to me when you can say the same.
Yes, usability is content + design. I pretty much said that. But, it's not just graphic design. In fact, that's a relatively unimportant sub-component of the kind of design it does need: information design.
Well, he was talking about getting around it, so I don't think he'd be that surprised.
.NET is a deliberate departure from, for monopolistic purposes. If you want cross-platform, stick with the standards that built the cross-platform internet to begin with.
As for them making it cross-platform, that would involve standards, which
The simple fact is, people don't care for fancy graphics. That's nice to look at, but it won't make you come back day after day. What people want is meaningful content, that's easily accessible. People want the semantic web, and RSS feeds from sites all over the net, in a simple browser, not animations that take ages to wade through, and must be waded through differently on each site. Plenty of Fish is a good example of that, but OK Cupid is a better one, and the popularity figures will show the difference.
...wait 'till you see what happens when someone figures out how to exploit that little bit of account information ;)
These words have become commonly used household terms now. I think the trademarks should no longer apply. Really... if someone wants to make a fan-flic called Superman 10, then why not? It's not like, by the time your product is a household word, you haven't made much money yet.
Because, the default will become the standard, and soon, software will require it. That would be fine, of course -- I could just use it until it invaded my life or my rights too much, then switch. However, I also contribute to the GNU/Linux community in various ways, and I won't continue to lend my voice to something that's going down a road towards DRM, however slowly its getting there. If Linux goes DRM, I'll go elsewhere, and develop for and support that instead.
Don't worry, in IE, the website will close and open windows for you. You don't even have to think about it long enough to consent.
The other Free Software options:
http://www.konqueror.org/
http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/
http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/
http://www.caminobrowser.org/
And the non-free ones, like Opera is...
http://www.apple.com/safari/
http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/
No, I'm not talking about god. I agree that there isn't one actually. But, take a look at the wikipedia page for compassion, for instance, and ask yourself if a couple of paragraphs is really doing the subject justice, given that some people have spent based their lives upon it. There's more to life than facts and figures. As I said, I applaud Wikipedia's goals, but only half of our brain works on logic. Without the other side, I believe they're missing a great deal of the wealth of human knowledge and understanding.