I think the important thing is that when you're investigating new areas of mathematics and it's _hard_, that's because the tools you're using are not suited for investigating this issue. So you invent a new tool, and that new tool can be applied in many, many places.
Hard problems are only hard because we're using the wrong tools.
It's not fully accepted in football ultimately because of the issues of ensuring the system could withstand the impact of being kicked. Bear in mind that these tiny tennis balls reach speeds >100mph; a system has to be able to withstand that impact.
With hockey, I imagine that the puck is solid makes it simpler to ensure the integrity of the weighting of the puck after impact than it would be with a hollow tennis ball. Striking the relatively light and soft tennis ball to high speeds deforms the ball significantly and making sure that the radio system or whatever you pick remains both functioning and not affecting the balance of the ball would by a challenge.
Something else that comes to mind is that with a puck, you can scoop out puck material equal in weight to the broadcasting device. With a football, there is significant mass relative to the broadcasting device. A tennis ball is both light and small, meaning that it is difficult to make sure that the ball with the broadcasting device inside it is the same weight as the ball without the broadcasting device inside it. All of this comes down, really, to the fact that a tennis ball is small, hollow, light and struck with enormous power.
Actually, I understand that general relativity doesn't apply to the fabric of space, only to objects within space. So space's expansion isn't limited to the speed of light.
The reason I started using FreeBSD was because I went to the store and bought a wireless card, a linksys something or other. I got home and SuSE couldn't detect it. Neither could Ubuntu (this was around the days of Ubuntu 5.something) nor Debian. I had a friend who was a FreeBSD nut who walked me through the install and my wireless card worked straight away.
Whether desktop drivers are a good metric really depends on what hardware you own. Sometimes what you need just ain't there.
Well, I don't think I've ever installed any package from anything other than the ports system. Lots? I know I've installed everything from Gnome, XFCE and KDE, through OpenOffice and a bunch of stuff in between.
You're right that mere numbers of packages is a weird metric, but what else can we offer? FreeBSD has great performance, and has everything necessary to be either a good server *or* a good desktop. It's much like Gentoo that way -- it doesn't focus on being either one or the other, it focuses on being a solid basis. What you put on top of that basis is your choice. It honestly seems to me that the distinction between server OS and desktop OS is its own entire discussion; if we can come to a good notion of what either means, we can reach a nice conclusion. If we take the current crop of Linux desktop OSes, though, I don't see any more integration between, say, Fedora and Gnome and FreeBSD and Gnome, or Ubuntu and Gnome and FreeBSD and Gnome.
If I think about it, it does seem that Ubuntu starting with a GUI interface and letting you find the command line by yourself is more friendly to the average user; I haven't installed FreeBSD using anything other than minimal-install for so long that I don't know whether you can have a GUI start up by default. And FreeBSD's installer, whilst excellent for its audience, is less friendly to a first timer. If we take those metrics, the idea of "can I sit down and first time use it without documentation?" then a lot of the linux crop are friendlier, yeah. But the documentation *is* very hand-holdy, and very very thorough for FreeBSD. And nicely available online.
Gnome in FreeBSD is at something like 2.20 -- pretty damn recent. Just install FreeBSD, and either use pkg_add to grab the most recent binaries or build your own gnome by grabbing the latest ports tree ("portsnap fetch extract"'ll do that ) then "cd/usr/ports/x11/gnome2 && make install clean". Done.
You think so? I dunno, it seems to me that FreeBSD suits the desktop role really well; I use it for preference. Especially when you consider that the only OS with more packages is Debian, it makes sense that it can fit a desktop role extremely nicely.
I asked a physicist about this once. He told me that no one will ever reach absolute zero because at that point both velocity and direction would be known and that violates Heisenburg.
I wanted to chime in here. I use linux/FreeBSD about 98% of the time - I've got one or two pieces of DAQ software that are windows only.
FreeBSD and Debian based distros did *nothing* to prepare me for returning to a red hat clone. THe lack of development in package management is *scandalous* on red hat. Yum is improving things, but the repositories are still relatively small.
Without wanting to start a fight or anything, I genuinely don't see how the grandparent is slighting linux here. You can for a lot of linux OSes get the patches as source code. Sure, Windows doesn't, but that's not linux, which the grandparent specifically asked about. As for Mac OS, I don't know whether you can get the patches as source, but I imagine not.
I'm ending up at your site, yeah. I misquoted the dollars style, seems it's actually canadian.
The RAM that comes with the laptop as standard is different. You have to upgrade to the 667mhz 2dimm to get the same as the pandolin. That's an extra 425 dollars. I assume anyway; I can't seem to find a listing for the stock RAM as to mhz or anything. Either way, the Dell is a nice base machine and I'm sure it'd install Ubuntu just fine;)
I know this'll sound trolly but I wanted to throw this out so you know it's an option. There's always BSD. I've been expanding my *nix experience into the BSDs because it gives me the options I need in case things go sour in the linux world. The installers are completely opaque for FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but once you get used to them somewhat it starts to feel good to know your options.
I just configured those two systems per your specs. The system76 came out at $1474.00 US and the Dell came out at $1773.00 US. I'm assuming that the biggest difference was the graphics card, so I fooled around with http://system76.com/product_info.php/cPath/1/produ cts_id/165 instead of the pangolin. Dell wins at $1773.00, but the serval wasn't trailing too far in price at $1774.00
Bear in mind that the Dell wasn't actually coming with the Complete Care you said you received. If I add that, the Dell comes up to $1872.00.
Now, the Dell at that price *is* coming with a bigger hard drive and a better battery, so it's definitely not comparing apples to apples here, but I'm honestly not seeing the prices you're saying you received. Was the laptop on sale when you bought it, maybe?
I don't really have anything to contribute here save that I want to say that I'm also interested in seeing what happens. The new UI is a bold move and a fine example of MS producing something innovative.
I also wanted to say that it's *so rare* to see folks on slashdot just come back and say "I see what you're saying, this is another way to think of it" without being bitchy about it that I wanted to thank you for your polite response.
Low content, yeah, but I felt it was necessary to say thanks.
I want to start out by saying that I don't actually think Microsoft's Office suite is inferior in any way to OpenOffice.org - it's a by far superior product right now. I should clarify: the questions I was answering were yours, not the OPs, though I understand that their stuff provides some context. Also, your keyboard example is a weak straw man at best. Let's not confuse the issue by trying to argue by analogy.
Now, whether or not you believe it to be so, I actually think that if I were running a business of, say, 100 employees and I have the choice of paying $75 per seat, a total cost of $7500, or of telling my employees that we were running OpenOffice.org and they just had to learn that the comma wasn't appropriate in Calc, it's a semi-colon, at a total cost of let's say $25 lost in "mistake time" to my payroll, I know what I'd choose.
As you've already accepted that there's a retraining cost with Office 2007, though, then really speaking what comes in to play is the performance issue that you've pointed out here and in other places. You've said that OOo simply takes a lot longer to do basic stuff vs Office 2003. However, I haven't seen the blow by blow for how long Office 2007 takes to perform these same things on the old hardware. If it's like the new version of windows and there's an outright hardware upgrade needed to get a responsive application, then I'm afraid OOo is the winner there. A rising tide carries all ships, after all.
The question that comes to mind is, why not? Athough Excel is the most common spreadsheet, that's not a reason to adopt its syntax for *everything*. In fact, it might be a reasonable way to get sued.
The standard solution is to not use tabs, which I agree is a pain in the arse in some ways and at best a hacky way of solving the problem, but it seems to work just fine. It's even in the official python best practices that tabs are a no no.
I've been using macs for about a week and a half, so I wanted to chip in that this mac is definitely nippier than windows, it's somewhat nippier than most linuxes too. The only thing that comes to mind off the top of my head that is better is FreeBSD.
Try reading the title of the post then the remainder. It's an annoying habit to have a title that is actually part of the post, I agree, but it's not unintelligible.
Unfortunately, you're right that there doesn't seem to be any way to actually print cheques. As this is a business book keeping software, being able to track payroll is what I consider more vital than needing to print payroll information straight from the program, but it looks like turbocash requires a pay plugin for that functionality, which should definitely be built in to the program itself.
As reported on Slashdot, Microsoft invited the Firefox team over to the headquarters to discuss compatibility with Windows Vista. Did you learn enough about Vista to be able to offer a significantly better experience on that OS?
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I think the important thing is that when you're investigating new areas of mathematics and it's _hard_, that's because the tools you're using are not suited for investigating this issue. So you invent a new tool, and that new tool can be applied in many, many places.
Hard problems are only hard because we're using the wrong tools.
It's not fully accepted in football ultimately because of the issues of ensuring the system could withstand the impact of being kicked. Bear in mind that these tiny tennis balls reach speeds >100mph; a system has to be able to withstand that impact.
With hockey, I imagine that the puck is solid makes it simpler to ensure the integrity of the weighting of the puck after impact than it would be with a hollow tennis ball. Striking the relatively light and soft tennis ball to high speeds deforms the ball significantly and making sure that the radio system or whatever you pick remains both functioning and not affecting the balance of the ball would by a challenge.
Something else that comes to mind is that with a puck, you can scoop out puck material equal in weight to the broadcasting device. With a football, there is significant mass relative to the broadcasting device. A tennis ball is both light and small, meaning that it is difficult to make sure that the ball with the broadcasting device inside it is the same weight as the ball without the broadcasting device inside it. All of this comes down, really, to the fact that a tennis ball is small, hollow, light and struck with enormous power.
Fortunately, no. You can use a scanner object and just suck a file in. Same scanner class also reads from stdin and from streams and whatnot.
Actually, I understand that general relativity doesn't apply to the fabric of space, only to objects within space. So space's expansion isn't limited to the speed of light.
The reason I started using FreeBSD was because I went to the store and bought a wireless card, a linksys something or other. I got home and SuSE couldn't detect it. Neither could Ubuntu (this was around the days of Ubuntu 5.something) nor Debian. I had a friend who was a FreeBSD nut who walked me through the install and my wireless card worked straight away.
Whether desktop drivers are a good metric really depends on what hardware you own. Sometimes what you need just ain't there.
Well, I don't think I've ever installed any package from anything other than the ports system. Lots? I know I've installed everything from Gnome, XFCE and KDE, through OpenOffice and a bunch of stuff in between.
You're right that mere numbers of packages is a weird metric, but what else can we offer? FreeBSD has great performance, and has everything necessary to be either a good server *or* a good desktop. It's much like Gentoo that way -- it doesn't focus on being either one or the other, it focuses on being a solid basis. What you put on top of that basis is your choice. It honestly seems to me that the distinction between server OS and desktop OS is its own entire discussion; if we can come to a good notion of what either means, we can reach a nice conclusion. If we take the current crop of Linux desktop OSes, though, I don't see any more integration between, say, Fedora and Gnome and FreeBSD and Gnome, or Ubuntu and Gnome and FreeBSD and Gnome.
If I think about it, it does seem that Ubuntu starting with a GUI interface and letting you find the command line by yourself is more friendly to the average user; I haven't installed FreeBSD using anything other than minimal-install for so long that I don't know whether you can have a GUI start up by default. And FreeBSD's installer, whilst excellent for its audience, is less friendly to a first timer. If we take those metrics, the idea of "can I sit down and first time use it without documentation?" then a lot of the linux crop are friendlier, yeah. But the documentation *is* very hand-holdy, and very very thorough for FreeBSD. And nicely available online.
Gnome in FreeBSD is at something like 2.20 -- pretty damn recent. Just install FreeBSD, and either use pkg_add to grab the most recent binaries or build your own gnome by grabbing the latest ports tree ("portsnap fetch extract"'ll do that ) then "cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome2 && make install clean". Done.
You think so? I dunno, it seems to me that FreeBSD suits the desktop role really well; I use it for preference. Especially when you consider that the only OS with more packages is Debian, it makes sense that it can fit a desktop role extremely nicely.
I asked a physicist about this once. He told me that no one will ever reach absolute zero because at that point both velocity and direction would be known and that violates Heisenburg.
I wanted to chime in here. I use linux/FreeBSD about 98% of the time - I've got one or two pieces of DAQ software that are windows only.
FreeBSD and Debian based distros did *nothing* to prepare me for returning to a red hat clone. THe lack of development in package management is *scandalous* on red hat. Yum is improving things, but the repositories are still relatively small.
Word to the wise, try installing Nvi on any systems you use regularly and have the vi command linked to it. It's an almost exact copy of the original.
Without wanting to start a fight or anything, I genuinely don't see how the grandparent is slighting linux here. You can for a lot of linux OSes get the patches as source code. Sure, Windows doesn't, but that's not linux, which the grandparent specifically asked about. As for Mac OS, I don't know whether you can get the patches as source, but I imagine not.
I'm ending up at your site, yeah. I misquoted the dollars style, seems it's actually canadian.
;)
The RAM that comes with the laptop as standard is different. You have to upgrade to the 667mhz 2dimm to get the same as the pandolin. That's an extra 425 dollars. I assume anyway; I can't seem to find a listing for the stock RAM as to mhz or anything. Either way, the Dell is a nice base machine and I'm sure it'd install Ubuntu just fine
I know this'll sound trolly but I wanted to throw this out so you know it's an option. There's always BSD. I've been expanding my *nix experience into the BSDs because it gives me the options I need in case things go sour in the linux world. The installers are completely opaque for FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but once you get used to them somewhat it starts to feel good to know your options.
I just configured those two systems per your specs. The system76 came out at $1474.00 US and the Dell came out at $1773.00 US. I'm assuming that the biggest difference was the graphics card, so I fooled around with http://system76.com/product_info.php/cPath/1/produ cts_id/165 instead of the pangolin. Dell wins at $1773.00, but the serval wasn't trailing too far in price at $1774.00
Bear in mind that the Dell wasn't actually coming with the Complete Care you said you received. If I add that, the Dell comes up to $1872.00.
Now, the Dell at that price *is* coming with a bigger hard drive and a better battery, so it's definitely not comparing apples to apples here, but I'm honestly not seeing the prices you're saying you received. Was the laptop on sale when you bought it, maybe?
I don't really have anything to contribute here save that I want to say that I'm also interested in seeing what happens. The new UI is a bold move and a fine example of MS producing something innovative.
I also wanted to say that it's *so rare* to see folks on slashdot just come back and say "I see what you're saying, this is another way to think of it" without being bitchy about it that I wanted to thank you for your polite response.
Low content, yeah, but I felt it was necessary to say thanks.
I want to start out by saying that I don't actually think Microsoft's Office suite is inferior in any way to OpenOffice.org - it's a by far superior product right now. I should clarify: the questions I was answering were yours, not the OPs, though I understand that their stuff provides some context. Also, your keyboard example is a weak straw man at best. Let's not confuse the issue by trying to argue by analogy.
Now, whether or not you believe it to be so, I actually think that if I were running a business of, say, 100 employees and I have the choice of paying $75 per seat, a total cost of $7500, or of telling my employees that we were running OpenOffice.org and they just had to learn that the comma wasn't appropriate in Calc, it's a semi-colon, at a total cost of let's say $25 lost in "mistake time" to my payroll, I know what I'd choose.
As you've already accepted that there's a retraining cost with Office 2007, though, then really speaking what comes in to play is the performance issue that you've pointed out here and in other places. You've said that OOo simply takes a lot longer to do basic stuff vs Office 2003. However, I haven't seen the blow by blow for how long Office 2007 takes to perform these same things on the old hardware. If it's like the new version of windows and there's an outright hardware upgrade needed to get a responsive application, then I'm afraid OOo is the winner there. A rising tide carries all ships, after all.
The question that comes to mind is, why not? Athough Excel is the most common spreadsheet, that's not a reason to adopt its syntax for *everything*. In fact, it might be a reasonable way to get sued.
The standard solution is to not use tabs, which I agree is a pain in the arse in some ways and at best a hacky way of solving the problem, but it seems to work just fine. It's even in the official python best practices that tabs are a no no.
I've been using macs for about a week and a half, so I wanted to chip in that this mac is definitely nippier than windows, it's somewhat nippier than most linuxes too. The only thing that comes to mind off the top of my head that is better is FreeBSD.
Just my $0.02
Try reading the title of the post then the remainder. It's an annoying habit to have a title that is actually part of the post, I agree, but it's not unintelligible.
http://www1.worldlingo.com/SH0gfCf2o9dP9D6Mf0Gbs_1 Xz7f6YuCsH/translate s _1Xz7f6YuCsH/translate
http://www1.worldlingo.com/SH0gfCf2o9dP9D6Mf0Gb
If anyone can help these poor folks out with a mirror so we don't melt their servers, I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
YOu can create payroll information using a plug in http://www.turbocash.net/index.php?option=com_cont ent&task=view&id=28&Itemid=100
Unfortunately, you're right that there doesn't seem to be any way to actually print cheques. As this is a business book keeping software, being able to track payroll is what I consider more vital than needing to print payroll information straight from the program, but it looks like turbocash requires a pay plugin for that functionality, which should definitely be built in to the program itself.
Turbocash is getting better all the time. Heres a little look at their feature list:w are-compare.html
http://www.turbocashuk.com/accounting-soft
The screenshots page on their website shows them off a little better than that list.
As reported on Slashdot, Microsoft invited the Firefox team over to the headquarters to discuss compatibility with Windows Vista. Did you learn enough about Vista to be able to offer a significantly better experience on that OS?