In rh 7.2 I used windowmaker, with much of the heavy lifting done from rxvt (better than xterm, I think) - no sign of it in rh9, which I just installed a week ago. I went with the default wm because oh it's the default and I haven't had time to mess with it yet. I guess my concern with the futzed around KDE is if I want to download anything for it from other than RH, it won't compile. I haven't tried it yet, but I thought that was the issue with what redhat did to try and unify them - did I misunderstand?
GNOME/rh9 has some dissappointments. Where are the terminals? It looks like it's xterm, which I'm not carzy about (text highlighting and scrolling both are non-intuitive), or the pathetic gnome-terminal, which doesn't even have a functional '-e' option, or nothing. I've already made my displaeasure with the Gnome CD plyer known. Where is windowmaker? I see fvwm and fvwm2 and and maybe I'll give them a go.
On the other hand, my vido performance is much better than in 7.2 (I've got some sort of almost-recognized integrated trident chipset). And having Mozilla, Galeon and OpenOffice pre-installed are good things.
cdrecord and cdrdao are what I use for burming and they are mostly OK. The hangs I get seem to be in the gnome cdplayer, and, earlier, in grip under certain circumstances. Once again, it was not the standard application problems - the system locked solid, required a hard reset and fsck on restart (under other circumstances, a hard reset or inadvertent power-cycle almost never wants an fsck - it recovers the journal and keeps on going).
Re: switching - a different distro will not do cd writing w/o ide-scsi. I tried a prior version of mandrake (8.1, I think) and ditched it when I saw that the MTA (postfix) didn't work and wasn't going to without some major screwing around. I've nothing against postfix - moving away from sendmail is probably a good thinkg given it's history over the years, including last year, but I have a policy: if I load up a distro and some core function doesn't work with at most minor tweaks, I move on.
Having discovered Knopppix, I may use an HD install of it to jumpstart me into debian. apt-get sounds awfully nice and I'm not afraid of the command line at all (I've been a sysadmin on and off since '95, starting with, of all things, SCO, then Solaris, running Linux at home and work since '99).
Here's a big one, a large plus in my book, that Solaris has had forever: POSIX ACLs and Extended attributes. And here's an place with examples showhing why this is a Good Thing.
Hooray!
It's about goddamn motherfucking time. God the IDE CD running SCSI emulation is the biggest piece of shit I've seen on Linux. I have a box that has run rh 7.2 and now runs rh 9 and the only thing that locks this box up is anything out of the ordinary having to do with the CD-r (such as the pathetic piece of SHIT that GNOME calls CD player software - who made this crap the default desktop in RH? [And yes, I know I can run KDE (in fact I use the CD player kscd from that environment) but having heard how RH mucked around with KDE to 'unify' it with gnome, I'm leery of that]). Last night, that junk locked my machine so solid I couldn't login over the network, the Xserver froze (except for the mouse) and I had to hardware-reset it, fsck all the filesystems on reboot [even though I'm using ext3] and then it spent all fucking night resyncing the raid mirrors.
I love Linux, I've been a fantic about it since 1999, but that ide-scsi was terrible fucking hack.
Let me repeat myself: Some Microsoft users have real, it'-been-to-court, proven, actually for real liability, as opposed to the nonsense SCO is spouting. Why is Windows the preferred alternative inb the face of actual facts?
Sorry, but do we really have to abandon a product because somebody says that their uncle said his brother-in-law sow some code in there that mught infringe? Get real. nothing has been proven,
Thank you. That is exactly what has happened at my company. My linux servers (which were soon going into production) are being formated with W2K as we speak.
Your boss is a dumbshit and you should have argued harder because:
Never heard of Timeline vs. Microsoft ? This is a proven, decided case - where MS SQL developers have infringed by using software the received from Microsoft - not the unfounded assertions SCO is making.
IBM, Oracle, Dell, CELF, and others are all going full speed ahead because they know it's nonsense.
SCO's suit agains IBM is a contract dispute with IBM. Even if they win, it's a, (probably impossibly) long way to get from there to collecting the first penny from a Linux user. Since, as Novell states, SCO doesn't own the patents on UNIX, any offending code (IF there is any) can be written around.
I was looking at the windows kernel and saw binary sequences identical to those in some of my programs. I'm suing Microsoft! They owe me a trillion dollars!. I'm going after all users of Microsoft products! They owe me 2 trillion dollars! What's your idiot boss going to do now? "Omigod, someones suing Microsoft".
Honestly, I'm not thrilled with my managment but they they've got it hands down over your boss.
I bet not, or maybe just long enough to get himself thoroughly ignored if not derided.
The fact that he's going after CELF made their decsion shows how little weight SCO's suit carries in the real world. They couldn't even be bothered to talk to SCO beforehand.
"As an analyst I have to be able to argue both sides of a position because often we are asked to step in and help justify decisions that have already been made"
The quotes you've given show how stupid he is, unless you assumes he's dishonest, instead, as this quote does.
You're quoting Rob Enderle, who said of himself in this article (which also ashed Linux and it's supporters):
"As an analyst I have to be able to argue both sides of a position because often we are asked to step in and help justify decisions that have already been made"
I wish all of the enemies of Linux were stupid enough to say up front that their opinions belong to whoever paid them most recently.
Also, Enderle says:
"I saw what appeared to be a word-for-word copy of about every third line of code in the central module of the Linux kernel,"
.
You could not have a better declaration that this is bullshit if you paid him for it. No way could you take 'every third line' and some how integrate it with code from some other source and make it work. Also, if it's the "central module of the linux kernel", I think we can be pretty sure Linus wrote that himself. Enderle shows only his corruption and/or his ignorance, nothing more.
OpenOffice.org is good enough that anyone who knows better won't buy MS Office.
Espcially when 'knows better' includes understanding what proprietary file fiormats that change on the whim of the software seller mean to data "owners".
In other words, the barrier to adoption may be support, but if your stuff is simpler to use then the need for support is reduced.
Until stuff magically stops working, which happens frequently in Windows because - well - because. Because MS has always and will always have the attitude that their programmers know more about what you want to do than you do. Therefore they build code that every so often wakes up, decides that even though you've asked it to do X, you really meant Y, therefore, Y it is.
If you want proof, look at the abomination that is plug-and-play. The prosecution rests.
I write everything to Bourne shell, sed, awk, grep & Co.,
Thus ensuring 40 lines of bizzareness and the need to understand multiple similar but different tools to do the same work that 10 lines of reasonably simple perl code could have done.
(Don't talk to me about 'line noise' looking programs [and, oops, ignore my sig] - most of that is in the regular expressions, and your choice of tools will force you to use more of those (from subtly different regex engines) to accomplish your task.
Oh, and so many people know the intricacies of sed and awk (or is it nawk or gawk this week on this system?) and so few people know perl.
And of course, getting sh, sed awk grep and whatever else onto Windows systems is so much easier than installing perl. (Though the Unix Services for Windows thing may ease this.)
The next 3 points about doc are good, though.
There is plenty good reason to not want people to become dependent on my tools being in place,
Not sure I buy this. If it's worth having, it'll be worth it for someone who knows the tools (well, this would be easier in perl) to figure it out if it breaks later.
the spammer has a sorted list and spits out the spam to groups of addresses at once
By doing this the spammer saves time on setting up conenctions to your ISP's mail server - he sends everything he has for your domain at once in one connection.
Wrong poster. The old SCO sucked ass, too. Their product looked good wrt Windoze, but bad wrt real Unices. Their paid-for support sucked beig green donkey dicks.
They were doomed from the instant Linux could boot.
Slashdot Mirror
I didn't know there was *any* way to burn CDs on IDE burners without ide-scsi. How does that work?
ls -l /usr/bin/kde3 /usr/bin/kde3: No such file or directory
ls:
Now what?
Also, you say:
Run both at the same time? How would I get back and forth between them?In rh 7.2 I used windowmaker, with much of the heavy lifting done from rxvt (better than xterm, I think) - no sign of it in rh9, which I just installed a week ago. I went with the default wm because oh it's the default and I haven't had time to mess with it yet. I guess my concern with the futzed around KDE is if I want to download anything for it from other than RH, it won't compile. I haven't tried it yet, but I thought that was the issue with what redhat did to try and unify them - did I misunderstand?
GNOME/rh9 has some dissappointments. Where are the terminals? It looks like it's xterm, which I'm not carzy about (text highlighting and scrolling both are non-intuitive), or the pathetic gnome-terminal, which doesn't even have a functional '-e' option, or nothing. I've already made my displaeasure with the Gnome CD plyer known. Where is windowmaker? I see fvwm and fvwm2 and and maybe I'll give them a go.
On the other hand, my vido performance is much better than in 7.2 (I've got some sort of almost-recognized integrated trident chipset). And having Mozilla, Galeon and OpenOffice pre-installed are good things.
cdrecord and cdrdao are what I use for burming and they are mostly OK. The hangs I get seem to be in the gnome cdplayer, and, earlier, in grip under certain circumstances. Once again, it was not the standard application problems - the system locked solid, required a hard reset and fsck on restart (under other circumstances, a hard reset or inadvertent power-cycle almost never wants an fsck - it recovers the journal and keeps on going).
Re: switching - a different distro will not do cd writing w/o ide-scsi. I tried a prior version of mandrake (8.1, I think) and ditched it when I saw that the MTA (postfix) didn't work and wasn't going to without some major screwing around. I've nothing against postfix - moving away from sendmail is probably a good thinkg given it's history over the years, including last year, but I have a policy: if I load up a distro and some core function doesn't work with at most minor tweaks, I move on.
Having discovered Knopppix, I may use an HD install of it to jumpstart me into debian. apt-get sounds awfully nice and I'm not afraid of the command line at all (I've been a sysadmin on and off since '95, starting with, of all things, SCO, then Solaris, running Linux at home and work since '99).
Here's a big one, a large plus in my book, that Solaris has had forever: POSIX ACLs and Extended attributes. And here's an place with examples showhing why this is a Good Thing. Hooray!
oops. Guess I got carried away. I just hate it when Linux acts like Winblows.
o Faster CD recording that doesn't need ide-scsi;
It's about goddamn motherfucking time. God the IDE CD running SCSI emulation is the biggest piece of shit I've seen on Linux. I have a box that has run rh 7.2 and now runs rh 9 and the only thing that locks this box up is anything out of the ordinary having to do with the CD-r (such as the pathetic piece of SHIT that GNOME calls CD player software - who made this crap the default desktop in RH? [And yes, I know I can run KDE (in fact I use the CD player kscd from that environment) but having heard how RH mucked around with KDE to 'unify' it with gnome, I'm leery of that]). Last night, that junk locked my machine so solid I couldn't login over the network, the Xserver froze (except for the mouse) and I had to hardware-reset it, fsck all the filesystems on reboot [even though I'm using ext3] and then it spent all fucking night resyncing the raid mirrors.
I love Linux, I've been a fantic about it since 1999, but that ide-scsi was terrible fucking hack.
Let me repeat myself: Some Microsoft users have real, it'-been-to-court, proven, actually for real liability, as opposed to the nonsense SCO is spouting. Why is Windows the preferred alternative inb the face of actual facts?
Sorry, but do we really have to abandon a product because somebody says that their uncle said his brother-in-law sow some code in there that mught infringe? Get real. nothing has been proven,
as Linux users worldwide upgrade to "vmlinuz-2.6.x-clean".
More like "vmlinuz-3.4.x-clean". I think.
Thank you. That is exactly what has happened at my company. My linux servers (which were soon going into production) are being formated with W2K as we speak.
Your boss is a dumbshit and you should have argued harder because:
-
Never heard of Timeline vs. Microsoft ? This is a proven, decided case - where MS SQL developers have infringed by using software the received from Microsoft - not the unfounded assertions SCO is making.
-
IBM, Oracle, Dell, CELF, and others are all going full speed ahead because they know it's nonsense.
-
SCO's suit agains IBM is a contract dispute with IBM. Even if they win, it's a, (probably impossibly) long way to get from there to collecting the first penny from a Linux user. Since, as Novell states, SCO doesn't own the patents on UNIX, any offending code (IF there is any) can be written around.
-
I was looking at the windows kernel and saw binary sequences identical to those in some of my programs. I'm suing Microsoft! They owe me a trillion dollars!. I'm going after all users of Microsoft products! They owe me 2 trillion dollars! What's your idiot boss going to do now? "Omigod, someones suing Microsoft".
Honestly, I'm not thrilled with my managment but they they've got it hands down over your boss.It is the prostitution which is intellectual, not Enderle.
Oops, here's the correct link . Be sure to view it with images disabled so that the site doesn't benefit from this moron's ravings.
Oh, your browser won't let you disable images? Try Mozilla
I bet not, or maybe just long enough to get himself thoroughly ignored if not derided.
The fact that he's going after CELF made their decsion shows how little weight SCO's suit carries in the real world. They couldn't even be bothered to talk to SCO beforehand.
Our ancient NorTel PBX has a SCO box connected to it for management and reporting, via something called (I think) Switchview.
Every once in a while I get asked to look at it. I've learned to fign ignorance, not an easy thing, emotinally, for a geek.
Rob Enderle seems to be confused by the difference between an analyst and an advocate:
Almost correct. Rob Enderle seems to be confused by the difference between an analyst and an intellectual prostitute.
You're quoting Rob Enderle, who said of himself in this article (which also ashed Linux and it's supporters):
I wish all of the enemies of Linux were stupid enough to say up front that their opinions belong to whoever paid them most recently.
Also, Enderle says:
You could not have a better declaration that this is bullshit if you paid him for it. No way could you take 'every third line' and some how integrate it with code from some other source and make it work. Also, if it's the "central module of the linux kernel", I think we can be pretty sure Linus wrote that himself. Enderle shows only his corruption and/or his ignorance, nothing more.if you've got images turned off (or use links, lynx or w3m) the 'IPv6 Status Page' linked in the post is not going to make much sense.
Classic webmasturbator move, from folks who otherwise seem very together.
And all it needs is an alt attribute in the <img> tags.
Espcially when 'knows better' includes understanding what proprietary file fiormats that change on the whim of the software seller mean to data "owners".
I always liked Stevie Ray Vaughan reords too - is DNS some new label?
Don't know is NS will work with this, but it works like a charm in Mozilla - one-click access to turning on/off images, popups, javascript - whatever:
http://www.xulplanet.com/downloads/prefbar/
In other words, the barrier to adoption may be support, but if your stuff is simpler to use then the need for support is reduced.
Until stuff magically stops working, which happens frequently in Windows because - well - because. Because MS has always and will always have the attitude that their programmers know more about what you want to do than you do. Therefore they build code that every so often wakes up, decides that even though you've asked it to do X, you really meant Y, therefore, Y it is.
If you want proof, look at the abomination that is plug-and-play. The prosecution rests.
I write everything to Bourne shell, sed, awk, grep & Co.,
Thus ensuring 40 lines of bizzareness and the need to understand multiple similar but different tools to do the same work that 10 lines of reasonably simple perl code could have done.
(Don't talk to me about 'line noise' looking programs [and, oops, ignore my sig] - most of that is in the regular expressions, and your choice of tools will force you to use more of those (from subtly different regex engines) to accomplish your task.
Oh, and so many people know the intricacies of sed and awk (or is it nawk or gawk this week on this system?) and so few people know perl.
And of course, getting sh, sed awk grep and whatever else onto Windows systems is so much easier than installing perl. (Though the Unix Services for Windows thing may ease this.)
The next 3 points about doc are good, though.
There is plenty good reason to not want people to become dependent on my tools being in place,
Not sure I buy this. If it's worth having, it'll be worth it for someone who knows the tools (well, this would be easier in perl) to figure it out if it breaks later.
Saeed al-Sahaf, the pseudonym used in the parent post, was the infamous Iraqui Minister of (mis)Information
the spammer has a sorted list and spits out the spam to groups of addresses at once
By doing this the spammer saves time on setting up conenctions to your ISP's mail server - he sends everything he has for your domain at once in one connection.
Wrong poster. The old SCO sucked ass, too. Their product looked good wrt Windoze, but bad wrt real Unices. Their paid-for support sucked beig green donkey dicks.
They were doomed from the instant Linux could boot.