Easter European countries that made real sacrifice to join the Euro, and who have been keeping their debt down and surviving with a much lower standard of living than Greece
Sounds great, we should join - UK, I look forwards to a much lower standard of living.
It's not about being communist, the US will use any excuse to demonise, bully and instigate coups against countries that don't tow the capitalist line. The US want capitalist control via WTO, IMF, World Bank et al and they want their corporations to be able to take countries mineral resources and to be able to sell them products regardless of social or environmental harm done. The latest method of letting companies have their way is ISDS (Investor State Dispute Settlement) - Kangaroo courts where corp's fine gov'ts for setting laws to protect people or the environment.
I compared the colour in an editor, it is actually just under 50% black! That view option destroyed all page layout in a ghastly manner. I use color toggle Firefox plugin occasionally on the worst pages.
Exactly, I'm not sure why this story is gracing the front page, I think the Initial story and Lenovo removing it story cover it. Also an MS update removes it anyway.
..Or to put it another way, there are a finite number of ways that text characters can be put together to form a string the length of a book, I think that keyboard mashing will come down to finite patterns that will only fill a subset of those finite probabilities.
I understood that, what I am saying is that the chance is not infinitesimal, it is 100% improbable because keyboard mashing *is not random* it is the product of hitting the keyboard in a particular manner that looks random and may be 99.9999999999999999999999999999% similar to random, but that is no-where near close enough. It is not random because a monkey is not a random number generator it will follow certain rules in order to mash and none of the finite number of patterns those rules will equate to anything substantial.
But if you start with the premise that the keyboard mashing is perfectly random then yes, infinite monkeys will write books.
An infinite room with infinite monkeys mashing on keyboards would turn out an infinite amount of this: lhmiuefjwqz,jwx,JXE/AF;IGJJ/E XNAD/IVDFFRVKJ X.
Not Shakespeare, because keyboard mashing doesn't create word patterns. If there is a god, perhaps he would like to test out this hypothesis and get back to us here on slashdot to confirm whether or not this is true.
I'm no fan of big corps but credit where it's due, Mcdonalds card readers are really fast in the UK with near instant pin confirmation, why can't all readers be this quick.
Part of the flaw is that the pin is confirmed by the card and not the sellers equipment / card network. That seems like an odd way of doing things since a fake card can simply lie about the pin.
Technology usually scales, there may be a central computer making millions of decisions and issuing those decision to dumb bots.
Reproduce! Eh? Be zero cost, why does it need to be zero cost? I didn't say it would be. Zero problem, did I say it would be zero problem? Real AI would make most people unemployable, that would be a huge problem.
I don't really get what you're saying, I didn't previously claim any of those things you mentioned. I wasn't advocating we build AI, I don't think we even know how to, but knowing mankind, they will try.
Whatever the solution, a large chunk of society won't like it because it won't fit with their capitalist ideology, unless the solution is let the economy collapse and allow most of the population to starve to death.
And what about people who don't have Facebook accounts, does Facebook allow 'tagging' of their faces?, I'm already annoyed by Facebooks obvious data collection on me as shown by the fact I get email from them telling me who my friends are and inviting me to join.
So, what will these unionised AI's demand? Lunch breaks? Holidays? Sick pay? Minimum wage? Gold plated charging socket? Honestly, that is a very strange idea, 'AI' doesn't mean exactly like humans.
If a genius manages to create an AI of normal human intelligence level then how is an AI of normal intelligence level going to create a genius? That doesn't follow.
Nope, robots are doing 99% of the food service and those jobs are disappearing because not many people can afford to eat out because they don't have jobs.
Who's moving the definition? Shouldn't A.I. be 1. Artificial and 2. Intelligent.
Sure computers can do some things better than people after programmers have programmed them, but intelligence is not one of those things.
My arguments about real AI are hypothetical because I don't think we are anywhere near creating real general purpose intelligence, that needs a huge breakthrough, that might happen in the next few years, centuries or maybe never at all. Let face it, we're barely intelligent ourselves, who knows what potential there is, perhaps a more advanced intelligence would view our most difficult conundrums as trivial and as easy to answer as 2+2 is to us.
We live in a universe that appears to based on a series of rules, perhaps it is created by an incredible intelligence, I'm not religious but the rules are a good pointer to this universe being a deliberate creation...wondering off topic lol.
Anyway, if we do create real AI, it will take the jobs of all the people it is intelligent as under the current capitalist system. How much of the wealth do we let the rich have before we say enough is enough?
Paranoia doesn't come in to it, I don't think we will create truly intelligent AI anytime soon, this debate is purely hypothetical as far as I'm concerned.
Because humans have both ethics and hate technology.
Corporations don't have ethics they have profit motives, they do a calculation about whether doing a bad thing will make them look bad and effect their profit or get somebody arrested for corporate manslaughter.
RE point 1, robots and AI should be viewed separately, we've built robots that can physically do what most humans can do, it is the AI that is lacking.
Re point 2, Upgrading AI is a software issue, upgrading 1000 robots is as easy as upgrading 1 robot, unlike humans which need considerable work to train individually.
keep it cheaper than a human
Factories are full of robots that perform work cheaper than humans or haven't you noticed several decades of technological progress?
Flaimbait? Good grief, I wasn't criticising Apple, I was pointing out that good AI is hard to do.
Voice recognition != intelligence any more than OCR = intelligence.
Siri, IBM Watson et al aren't particularly intelligent, they can't make decisions, they are just database look-up tools with a bit of fuzzy logic and Bayesian analysis thrown in. I don't think these come anywhere near human intelligence.
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Sounds great, we should join - UK, I look forwards to a much lower standard of living.
It's not about being communist, the US will use any excuse to demonise, bully and instigate coups against countries that don't tow the capitalist line. The US want capitalist control via WTO, IMF, World Bank et al and they want their corporations to be able to take countries mineral resources and to be able to sell them products regardless of social or environmental harm done. The latest method of letting companies have their way is ISDS (Investor State Dispute Settlement) - Kangaroo courts where corp's fine gov'ts for setting laws to protect people or the environment.
I compared the colour in an editor, it is actually just under 50% black! That view option destroyed all page layout in a ghastly manner. I use color toggle Firefox plugin occasionally on the worst pages.
Light grey text on a white background FFS, how can anyone think this is a good idea?
Exactly, I'm not sure why this story is gracing the front page, I think the Initial story and Lenovo removing it story cover it. Also an MS update removes it anyway.
Western aggression is greed based, oil, resources, money, power. Wars are symptom of human greed.
Well if they're not real then they can't write books can they.
..Or to put it another way, there are a finite number of ways that text characters can be put together to form a string the length of a book, I think that keyboard mashing will come down to finite patterns that will only fill a subset of those finite probabilities.
I understood that, what I am saying is that the chance is not infinitesimal, it is 100% improbable because keyboard mashing *is not random* it is the product of hitting the keyboard in a particular manner that looks random and may be 99.9999999999999999999999999999% similar to random, but that is no-where near close enough. It is not random because a monkey is not a random number generator it will follow certain rules in order to mash and none of the finite number of patterns those rules will equate to anything substantial.
But if you start with the premise that the keyboard mashing is perfectly random then yes, infinite monkeys will write books.
An infinite room with infinite monkeys mashing on keyboards would turn out an infinite amount of this: lhmiuefjwqz,jwx,JXE/AF;IGJJ/E XNAD/IVDFFRVKJ X.
Not Shakespeare, because keyboard mashing doesn't create word patterns. If there is a god, perhaps he would like to test out this hypothesis and get back to us here on slashdot to confirm whether or not this is true.
I'm no fan of big corps but credit where it's due, Mcdonalds card readers are really fast in the UK with near instant pin confirmation, why can't all readers be this quick.
BBC newsnight - UK chip and pin credit and debit cards are insecure Feb2010
Part of the flaw is that the pin is confirmed by the card and not the sellers equipment / card network. That seems like an odd way of doing things since a fake card can simply lie about the pin.
Humans aren't scalable, they are not zero cost and they are not zero problem, so why should AI be these things?
Technology usually scales, there may be a central computer making millions of decisions and issuing those decision to dumb bots.
Reproduce! Eh?
Be zero cost, why does it need to be zero cost? I didn't say it would be.
Zero problem, did I say it would be zero problem? Real AI would make most people unemployable, that would be a huge problem.
I don't really get what you're saying, I didn't previously claim any of those things you mentioned. I wasn't advocating we build AI, I don't think we even know how to, but knowing mankind, they will try.
My hunch is attack, since slashdot is a tech site it would be nice if they actually told us what is going on.
And if it is an attack, then is it business or pleasure? Lame either way.
...I actually had a relevant thing to post but slashdot lost it.
Is it just me? slashdot seems to be very broken right now
Whatever the solution, a large chunk of society won't like it because it won't fit with their capitalist ideology, unless the solution is let the economy collapse and allow most of the population to starve to death.
Facial recognition mostly gets used for all of the wrong reasons, Facebook tracking, illegal police tracking etc.
'photos of innocent people have been retained in contempt of an explicit order from the court to remove them' - 18million by police
Facebook's new face recognition policy astonishes German privacy regulator
And what about people who don't have Facebook accounts, does Facebook allow 'tagging' of their faces?, I'm already annoyed by Facebooks obvious data collection on me as shown by the fact I get email from them telling me who my friends are and inviting me to join.
So, what will these unionised AI's demand? Lunch breaks? Holidays? Sick pay? Minimum wage? Gold plated charging socket? Honestly, that is a very strange idea, 'AI' doesn't mean exactly like humans.
If a genius manages to create an AI of normal human intelligence level then how is an AI of normal intelligence level going to create a genius? That doesn't follow.
Nope, robots are doing 99% of the food service and those jobs are disappearing because not many people can afford to eat out because they don't have jobs.
People like me?
Who's moving the definition? Shouldn't A.I. be 1. Artificial and 2. Intelligent.
Sure computers can do some things better than people after programmers have programmed them, but intelligence is not one of those things.
My arguments about real AI are hypothetical because I don't think we are anywhere near creating real general purpose intelligence, that needs a huge breakthrough, that might happen in the next few years, centuries or maybe never at all. Let face it, we're barely intelligent ourselves, who knows what potential there is, perhaps a more advanced intelligence would view our most difficult conundrums as trivial and as easy to answer as 2+2 is to us.
We live in a universe that appears to based on a series of rules, perhaps it is created by an incredible intelligence, I'm not religious but the rules are a good pointer to this universe being a deliberate creation...wondering off topic lol.
Anyway, if we do create real AI, it will take the jobs of all the people it is intelligent as under the current capitalist system. How much of the wealth do we let the rich have before we say enough is enough?
And what if USA doesn't need 60 million robot repair people?
Paranoia doesn't come in to it, I don't think we will create truly intelligent AI anytime soon, this debate is purely hypothetical as far as I'm concerned.
Corporations don't have ethics they have profit motives, they do a calculation about whether doing a bad thing will make them look bad and effect their profit or get somebody arrested for corporate manslaughter.
RE point 1, robots and AI should be viewed separately, we've built robots that can physically do what most humans can do, it is the AI that is lacking.
Re point 2, Upgrading AI is a software issue, upgrading 1000 robots is as easy as upgrading 1 robot, unlike humans which need considerable work to train individually.
Factories are full of robots that perform work cheaper than humans or haven't you noticed several decades of technological progress?
Flaimbait? Good grief, I wasn't criticising Apple, I was pointing out that good AI is hard to do.
Voice recognition != intelligence any more than OCR = intelligence.
Siri, IBM Watson et al aren't particularly intelligent, they can't make decisions, they are just database look-up tools with a bit of fuzzy logic and Bayesian analysis thrown in. I don't think these come anywhere near human intelligence.