I realize you were joking, but just to give this numbers:
Apple's entire value of "Goodwill" as of Sept '05 (last number I could easily find and yes they actually have to value these things though it certainly isn't easy to come to a precise number): 69,000,000
IBM's market cap: 127,630,000,000
IBM's Cash And Cash Equivalents (as of Dec '05) 12,568,000,000
Microsoft provides Walmart, Office Max, Sears, Radio Shack, TigerDirect, (and the list goes on) with the PRE-INSTALLED operating system.
No they don't. MS provides the OS and then these companies (or thier suppliers like HP, Leveno, etc) will offer that OS pre-installed (they do the installing) to thier clients. MS has stated these system builders are free to set any search engine they want as the default. If these builders don't want to take the 3 seconds to make that change to the OS build, then yes it will default to MS search but that won't happen. These search engines will bid for the right to be the default and whoever wins the bidding will be the default. If the winning bidder is a POS then they may suffer customer dissatisfaction and will change.
In fact even a fresh install of IE7 doesn't "default" to MS search. It uses the previous versions settings. I'd already changed my IE6 settings to use Google for auto-search, so when I installed IE7 beta google was my default.
I find it interesting about the things the universities are concerned with. It might just be the article, but it seems the main concern is the cost of the venture est. 400 - 500 dollars a student. The next concern is hackers and the last one is freedom of speech / stifling of research.
We'll you have to know the audiance you are arguing to. If there was a democratic administration, perhaps voicing concern over freedoms and liberty would be the main thrust of the agrument, however with a republican administration its best to talk about money. That of course is at least in theory, but it seems fiscal conservitives don't really hold much sway within the GOP now either. So perhaps if they made the arguement wiretaping makes people gay it'd play better, since now days the GOP seems only socially conservitive.
While I agree with your sentiment, I think we often overlook an even larger injustice in gaming and media as a whole. It seems like sole purpose games/movies such as Halo, Alien Swarm, Alien, Preditor, etc, etc, etc is to outdo each other with the most inaccurate representations of alien warriors from the future!
Now I don't want to get on my high horse here and get too PC, but how do you think this will make actual alien warriors from the future feel? The next thing you know they'll all be having to get cosmetic surgury to add fangs, horns, claws to themselves and taking massive doses of steriods to try to live up to the unrealistic standards we are setting for them! That just isn't right people! Comeon, think about the feelings of the alien warriors from the future! After all, they will one day be our new overlords!
Classic A=B and C=B therefore Z=A thinking. Court says president and do foreign wiretapping...everyone agrees this court has final say...therefore president can do domestic wiretapping!
you need to read your history book.
I like reading as much as the next guy, but I prefer to reference documents such as the constitution, federalist papers, etc more than a brief submitted by the AG explaining why his boss can do whatever he wants.
For anyone thinking the above was taken from some scholarly dissertation on the subject, it is actually taken from everyone's favorite civil liberties crusader (NOT) AG Gonzolez's response to congress about the NSA wire tapping (that means VERY unbiased look at the issues;-).
I'm running IE7 beta now and actually noticed something VERY suprising and interesting. The first time I browsed to google.com a little semi-transparent box poped up in the upper right-hand corner basically saying "Click here to make google your default search".
Not sure if that was a Google or MS feature, but pretty cool and makes switching very easy. Though since I've gone back to the site I haven't seen the message again, so it may just be a one time thing.
I don't know... Obviously, E3 will be mostly and Wii and PS3 since they are the new consoles, but I'm actually much more interested in seeing what MS has to say about Gears Of War than Halo3. Sure I'd like to see what is coming for Halo3, but unless they give a real shocker like "its playable and will ship this year" I don't have the patience to get too excited about a game probably at least a year out.
For me, give me info on Gears Of War and Too Human (the next potential big franchises) which are expected to actually ship sometime soon.
but really do we need Microsoft focusing on some integration of some phone support in a browser?
I think you misunderstood the article (unless I did). What they are saying is if you use the beta and have problems you can call them on the phone for help with the issue, not that IE is having some type of Skype functionality. Its simply that they are offering free phone support (call if you have a problem) to all the beta testers.
TFA states they expect to be able to recoup the expsense by the money they save from cell phones, etc. Now if they are correct or not I cannot say (and I assume you cannot either). However, if they can get the system to work acceptably and don't realize a cent of savings I'm still glad someone out there is giving it a shot. $400,000 per year for a city of 28,000 people is only $14.29 per YEAR of service per person. The upfront costs are less than $100 per person.
I don't know if it will all work out or now, but I'm glad someone has the guts to give it a shot. Very intersting idea I think is worth at least investigating.
Since the entire thread was discussing the 360 I'd assumed he was talking about the 360 since he didn't say otherwise. My bad I guess.
My problem is all the non-sense numbers that get tossed around here. If I'd been able to guess that he was referencing a completely different product line than the one being discussed, than I wouldn't have been so bothers because by looking at P&L breakdowns in SEC filings I can at least see that it isn't complete gibberish. However, based on my false assumption that the numbers he was quoting were trying to be relevant to the conversation (360) I just haven't seen any numbers to come close to supporting such figures. Thus, I pointed out a simple breakdown of what he was saying would mean (in simple terms).
Of course there are other costs, but until you can quantify those costs your just another poster pulling numbers out of their ass. That's my point and my issue! If you want to make such statements have the numbers to back them up! For a separate product line than is being discussed, yes those numbers are in line. For the product we ARE discussing, I've seen no numbers to suggest such a thing so I was nicely trying to point out for him what he was saying. Since I don't have the numbers, I cannot do a complete breakdown to prove him wrong but my "reality check" numbers sure make the claim (I assumed he was trying to make) look very suspect. That's all I was trying to say.
"through Dec 31, 2005 when they had sold 1.5 million 360"
That claim by Microsoft has already been debunked.
I would be very interested to see this debunking! Was it some blogger or something who just make the statements to that means it debunked?;-) Below is a quote from the MS 2006 Q2 (period ending 12/31/2005) Form 10-Q SEC filing. Ask your accountant how likely it is that MS would lie about those numbers on a SEC filing;-) Since SOX has been enacted these things are taken VERY seriously and could result in criminal charges against Ballmer (who signed of the the filing)!
Home and Entertainment revenue increased during the second quarter of fiscal year 2006 primarily due to an increase in Xbox revenue of $125 million or 12%. Xbox revenue increased mainly due to the launch of Xbox 360. 1.5 million Xbox 360 console units shipped,
Just as a bit of a reality check, the last good numbers availble were through Dec 31, 2005 when they had sold 1.5 million 360s. Assuming that by "billions" you meant at least 2 billion they would have to be losing at least $1,333 per machine and getting no roalties on any games.
Just to clarify, those are basically the number announced for units sold between the launch (Nov 22nd) and Dec 31st '05. We probably won't get another set of reliable numbers until thier next quarterly report.
The numbers above are basically correct (but I think the number was 900k in North America), but just an thought I'd add in the date range that those were for as it could easily be mis-understood to represent more current numbers (which aren't yet available).
Not that I disagree they have had and still have some questionable practices, but the whole "evil" thing has always bothered me a bit especially when used as you are using it.
Have you or your mother, or your father, etc, etc ever recieved a speeding ticket? If so, you are a criminal and are evil! In todays society (really in any society) there are SOOOO many stupid laws I'd all but promise every single person over the age of 30 in this country has broken a law. Are they all evil?
The other point is about how "evil" it is to be a monopolist. Actually (correct me if I'm wrong here), MS wasn't convicted of being a monopolist. They were found to hold a monopoly and abusing that monopoly in violation of anti-trust laws. Nothing inherantly illegal about being a monoply. Anyway, the point is what they were convicted of doing is basically identical to at least an awful lot of other companies are doing (if not almost all). The thing is, its prefectly OK to do these things as long as you aren't a monopoly, but illegal if you are. This gets a bit messy because they certainly weren't always a monoply, so basically thier (and many other companies) standard procedures were just fine one day, but illegal the next day because someone decided they were offically a monopoly as of that date. Not that I condone all thier behaviour, but unless the government sent them a letter letting them know that they were now considered a monoply how do they know when its OK to continue those practices and when its not?
I'm sure this won't be well recieved here, but I just don't see MS as doing "evil" things. I think that should be reserved for the Enrons and WorldComs of the world. MS is simply not being very nice to competitors sometimes.... maybe a bit naughty but on my radar it least it doesn't raise to the level of "evil".
OK, I really hate doing praising the guy at all, but comments like yours were the exact same response he recieved for this prediction. Not agreeing with this current prediction or saying he isn't a bit out there, but he isn't always wrong.
Example 1: End of day, tank destroyed by IED. Never meant to claim all the crew will be killed in every attack. Just that even the most armoured tanks can be destroyed by IEDs.
Example 2: Here is the full page of Sept 05 casualties. See # 17, 18, 19. Agreed all casualty info is pretty vauge, but having the entire tank crew of an M1A1 killed "when an IED detonated near his M1A1 Abrams tank during patrol operations" should at least help get across the point that even M1A1s can be taken out by IEDs.
Example 3: Not sure... I downloaded it and it showed the attack.... Not sure what when wrong. Anyway, it doesn't show the aftermath of the attack but shows what they are up agaist as it does show the explosion and what at least seems to be tons of tank pieces tossed into the air.
Not really true. True for the REALLY unsophisticated IEDs, but they have IEDs that nothing we have can defeat. DoD is urgently working on this now, but the amount of high explosives (and shape charges) they are using in close proximity even an M1A1 cannot withstand.
I wonder, how long will it take for our government to realize that most of us take our rights pretty damn seriously
The scariest part is I don't know how true that is. Now I have no scientific polling or anything but just the people I speak to it seems the majority have the opinion:
- If your not doing anything wrong what are you worried about?
or
- Well we have to take care of our national security first before any rights really matter
That a government will so readily abuse its power is certainly not a suprise (disturbing but entirely predictable). However, the ease with which so many citizens seem ready to give up protections we have taken for granted is the scariest part (at least to me).
I agree there is a lot of potential, but I also see a problem. I like downloading stuff from Live to check it out as well. However, it is SOOOO annoying that you cannot start a download and then just go back to your game while it continues to download in the background. Maybe not alow playing online games at most, but to have to sit there and watch the damn things download is pretty annoying when some of them are close to a gig. I tend to get board and just cancel and go back to playing something I already have. I guess for others you could probably just switch over and watch TV while its downloading, but my XBox 360 is also a Media Center Extender so even to watch TV I have to stop the download. VERY annoying and I hope they fix this soon!
As TFA states, it was actually people from Sleepy Cat (which Oracle just bought) and not "really" Oracle competing and it was the Sleepy Cat team that was introduced as the Berkley DB company Oracle is about to kill not MySQL. Didn't seem that confusing in the article, but maybe the posters and editors thought the other sounded better?
To me it seems the whole conversation has been a bit off-topic (not you in particular). I don't see this as an issue about if "global warming" is happening or if there is anything we can do about it. Data may be getting better, but it seems we just don't know enough yet to even know if doing anything any differently would matter. OK, so we now basically know "global warming" is occuring. We still don't know how much of this is because of humans or natural. We still don't know if it may naturally reverse itself. We still don't know exactly what the results will be, etc, etc, etc.
So to me it isn't so much about "global warming", its about the experts in the field being told what they can/cannot say by poloticians. Any scientist studying this should be shouting his results at the top of his lungs for the world to see. Some of those findings will be absolute crap and others will be very insightful. The point is all this information must be made public so scientfic community can consider it all and advance our understanding of our world and what is happening (not just related to "global warming").
Now sceience has always had a bit of a political flavor, but I've never heard of the type or amount of coersion which now seems standard policy with this administration. So when you ask "would a Democratic president be doing anything differently?" if you are talking just about "global warming" then who knows, but if you are talking about the policy of repressing open scientific debate then I think the answer is certainly yes.
Also, a small example of how a democratic president "may" be doing things differently. My home town has an Ethonol processing plant which was opened during the Clinton administration. Since Bush came to office the regulations have been relaxed where they are now allowed to more than double thier pollution output and what is considered pollution has also been relaxed. Is that good for the economy? Is it needed with current energy prices? Does it make a difference in reguards to "global warming"? I certainly don't know, but it is an example of some possible differences.
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I realize you were joking, but just to give this numbers:
Apple's entire value of "Goodwill" as of Sept '05 (last number I could easily find and yes they actually have to value these things though it certainly isn't easy to come to a precise number): 69,000,000
IBM's market cap: 127,630,000,000
IBM's Cash And Cash Equivalents (as of Dec '05) 12,568,000,000
Microsoft provides Walmart, Office Max, Sears, Radio Shack, TigerDirect, (and the list goes on) with the PRE-INSTALLED operating system.
No they don't. MS provides the OS and then these companies (or thier suppliers like HP, Leveno, etc) will offer that OS pre-installed (they do the installing) to thier clients. MS has stated these system builders are free to set any search engine they want as the default. If these builders don't want to take the 3 seconds to make that change to the OS build, then yes it will default to MS search but that won't happen. These search engines will bid for the right to be the default and whoever wins the bidding will be the default. If the winning bidder is a POS then they may suffer customer dissatisfaction and will change.
In fact even a fresh install of IE7 doesn't "default" to MS search. It uses the previous versions settings. I'd already changed my IE6 settings to use Google for auto-search, so when I installed IE7 beta google was my default.
I find it interesting about the things the universities are concerned with. It might just be the article, but it seems the main concern is the cost of the venture est. 400 - 500 dollars a student. The next concern is hackers and the last one is freedom of speech / stifling of research.
We'll you have to know the audiance you are arguing to. If there was a democratic administration, perhaps voicing concern over freedoms and liberty would be the main thrust of the agrument, however with a republican administration its best to talk about money. That of course is at least in theory, but it seems fiscal conservitives don't really hold much sway within the GOP now either. So perhaps if they made the arguement wiretaping makes people gay it'd play better, since now days the GOP seems only socially conservitive.
While I agree with your sentiment, I think we often overlook an even larger injustice in gaming and media as a whole. It seems like sole purpose games/movies such as Halo, Alien Swarm, Alien, Preditor, etc, etc, etc is to outdo each other with the most inaccurate representations of alien warriors from the future!
Now I don't want to get on my high horse here and get too PC, but how do you think this will make actual alien warriors from the future feel? The next thing you know they'll all be having to get cosmetic surgury to add fangs, horns, claws to themselves and taking massive doses of steriods to try to live up to the unrealistic standards we are setting for them! That just isn't right people! Comeon, think about the feelings of the alien warriors from the future! After all, they will one day be our new overlords!
Classic A=B and C=B therefore Z=A thinking. Court says president and do foreign wiretapping...everyone agrees this court has final say...therefore president can do domestic wiretapping!
;-).
you need to read your history book.
I like reading as much as the next guy, but I prefer to reference documents such as the constitution, federalist papers, etc more than a brief submitted by the AG explaining why his boss can do whatever he wants.
For anyone thinking the above was taken from some scholarly dissertation on the subject, it is actually taken from everyone's favorite civil liberties crusader (NOT) AG Gonzolez's response to congress about the NSA wire tapping (that means VERY unbiased look at the issues
I'm running IE7 beta now and actually noticed something VERY suprising and interesting. The first time I browsed to google.com a little semi-transparent box poped up in the upper right-hand corner basically saying "Click here to make google your default search".
Not sure if that was a Google or MS feature, but pretty cool and makes switching very easy. Though since I've gone back to the site I haven't seen the message again, so it may just be a one time thing.
I don't know... Obviously, E3 will be mostly and Wii and PS3 since they are the new consoles, but I'm actually much more interested in seeing what MS has to say about Gears Of War than Halo3. Sure I'd like to see what is coming for Halo3, but unless they give a real shocker like "its playable and will ship this year" I don't have the patience to get too excited about a game probably at least a year out. For me, give me info on Gears Of War and Too Human (the next potential big franchises) which are expected to actually ship sometime soon.
Does that entire thing have to be posted everytime someone mentions Sony might lose money? Couldn't you just post the link?
but really do we need Microsoft focusing on some integration of some phone support in a browser?
I think you misunderstood the article (unless I did). What they are saying is if you use the beta and have problems you can call them on the phone for help with the issue, not that IE is having some type of Skype functionality. Its simply that they are offering free phone support (call if you have a problem) to all the beta testers.
TFA states they expect to be able to recoup the expsense by the money they save from cell phones, etc. Now if they are correct or not I cannot say (and I assume you cannot either). However, if they can get the system to work acceptably and don't realize a cent of savings I'm still glad someone out there is giving it a shot. $400,000 per year for a city of 28,000 people is only $14.29 per YEAR of service per person. The upfront costs are less than $100 per person.
I don't know if it will all work out or now, but I'm glad someone has the guts to give it a shot. Very intersting idea I think is worth at least investigating.
Perhaps I've been out of touch and just assumed this was over, but this quote I found suprising!
The record labels, you see, are still pressing their case against Hummer Winblad and Bertelsman for investing in Napster years ago.
Since the entire thread was discussing the 360 I'd assumed he was talking about the 360 since he didn't say otherwise. My bad I guess.
My problem is all the non-sense numbers that get tossed around here. If I'd been able to guess that he was referencing a completely different product line than the one being discussed, than I wouldn't have been so bothers because by looking at P&L breakdowns in SEC filings I can at least see that it isn't complete gibberish. However, based on my false assumption that the numbers he was quoting were trying to be relevant to the conversation (360) I just haven't seen any numbers to come close to supporting such figures. Thus, I pointed out a simple breakdown of what he was saying would mean (in simple terms).
Of course there are other costs, but until you can quantify those costs your just another poster pulling numbers out of their ass. That's my point and my issue! If you want to make such statements have the numbers to back them up! For a separate product line than is being discussed, yes those numbers are in line. For the product we ARE discussing, I've seen no numbers to suggest such a thing so I was nicely trying to point out for him what he was saying. Since I don't have the numbers, I cannot do a complete breakdown to prove him wrong but my "reality check" numbers sure make the claim (I assumed he was trying to make) look very suspect. That's all I was trying to say.
"through Dec 31, 2005 when they had sold 1.5 million 360"
;-) Below is a quote from the MS 2006 Q2 (period ending 12/31/2005) Form 10-Q SEC filing. Ask your accountant how likely it is that MS would lie about those numbers on a SEC filing ;-) Since SOX has been enacted these things are taken VERY seriously and could result in criminal charges against Ballmer (who signed of the the filing)!
That claim by Microsoft has already been debunked.
I would be very interested to see this debunking! Was it some blogger or something who just make the statements to that means it debunked?
Home and Entertainment revenue increased during the second quarter of fiscal year 2006 primarily due to an increase in Xbox revenue of $125 million or 12%. Xbox revenue increased mainly due to the launch of Xbox 360. 1.5 million Xbox 360 console units shipped,
If folks in whatever backwards town you live in were lining up to buy 360s, why the hell were thousands of them sitting on shelves across the Pacific?
What is "Because the supply and the demand may vary based on geographic location", Alex?
and losing billions of dollars
Just as a bit of a reality check, the last good numbers availble were through Dec 31, 2005 when they had sold 1.5 million 360s. Assuming that by "billions" you meant at least 2 billion they would have to be losing at least $1,333 per machine and getting no roalties on any games.
Just to clarify, those are basically the number announced for units sold between the launch (Nov 22nd) and Dec 31st '05. We probably won't get another set of reliable numbers until thier next quarterly report.
The numbers above are basically correct (but I think the number was 900k in North America), but just an thought I'd add in the date range that those were for as it could easily be mis-understood to represent more current numbers (which aren't yet available).
Not that I disagree they have had and still have some questionable practices, but the whole "evil" thing has always bothered me a bit especially when used as you are using it.
Have you or your mother, or your father, etc, etc ever recieved a speeding ticket? If so, you are a criminal and are evil! In todays society (really in any society) there are SOOOO many stupid laws I'd all but promise every single person over the age of 30 in this country has broken a law. Are they all evil?
The other point is about how "evil" it is to be a monopolist. Actually (correct me if I'm wrong here), MS wasn't convicted of being a monopolist. They were found to hold a monopoly and abusing that monopoly in violation of anti-trust laws. Nothing inherantly illegal about being a monoply. Anyway, the point is what they were convicted of doing is basically identical to at least an awful lot of other companies are doing (if not almost all). The thing is, its prefectly OK to do these things as long as you aren't a monopoly, but illegal if you are. This gets a bit messy because they certainly weren't always a monoply, so basically thier (and many other companies) standard procedures were just fine one day, but illegal the next day because someone decided they were offically a monopoly as of that date. Not that I condone all thier behaviour, but unless the government sent them a letter letting them know that they were now considered a monoply how do they know when its OK to continue those practices and when its not?
I'm sure this won't be well recieved here, but I just don't see MS as doing "evil" things. I think that should be reserved for the Enrons and WorldComs of the world. MS is simply not being very nice to competitors sometimes.... maybe a bit naughty but on my radar it least it doesn't raise to the level of "evil".
OK, I really hate doing praising the guy at all, but comments like yours were the exact same response he recieved for this prediction. Not agreeing with this current prediction or saying he isn't a bit out there, but he isn't always wrong.
Example 1: End of day, tank destroyed by IED. Never meant to claim all the crew will be killed in every attack. Just that even the most armoured tanks can be destroyed by IEDs.
Example 2: Here is the full page of Sept 05 casualties. See # 17, 18, 19. Agreed all casualty info is pretty vauge, but having the entire tank crew of an M1A1 killed "when an IED detonated near his M1A1 Abrams tank during patrol operations" should at least help get across the point that even M1A1s can be taken out by IEDs.
Example 3: Not sure... I downloaded it and it showed the attack.... Not sure what when wrong. Anyway, it doesn't show the aftermath of the attack but shows what they are up agaist as it does show the explosion and what at least seems to be tons of tank pieces tossed into the air.
IEDs have little to no effect on an armored tank
Not really true. True for the REALLY unsophisticated IEDs, but they have IEDs that nothing we have can defeat. DoD is urgently working on this now, but the amount of high explosives (and shape charges) they are using in close proximity even an M1A1 cannot withstand.
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So you'd be interested to know about the 360 and you don't already know because your NOT interested in the 360? ;-)
Here is a pretty complete list of all the announced 360 games and release dates (if they haven't already been released).
I wonder, how long will it take for our government to realize that most of us take our rights pretty damn seriously
The scariest part is I don't know how true that is. Now I have no scientific polling or anything but just the people I speak to it seems the majority have the opinion:
- If your not doing anything wrong what are you worried about?
or
- Well we have to take care of our national security first before any rights really matter
That a government will so readily abuse its power is certainly not a suprise (disturbing but entirely predictable). However, the ease with which so many citizens seem ready to give up protections we have taken for granted is the scariest part (at least to me).
I agree there is a lot of potential, but I also see a problem. I like downloading stuff from Live to check it out as well. However, it is SOOOO annoying that you cannot start a download and then just go back to your game while it continues to download in the background. Maybe not alow playing online games at most, but to have to sit there and watch the damn things download is pretty annoying when some of them are close to a gig. I tend to get board and just cancel and go back to playing something I already have. I guess for others you could probably just switch over and watch TV while its downloading, but my XBox 360 is also a Media Center Extender so even to watch TV I have to stop the download. VERY annoying and I hope they fix this soon!
As TFA states, it was actually people from Sleepy Cat (which Oracle just bought) and not "really" Oracle competing and it was the Sleepy Cat team that was introduced as the Berkley DB company Oracle is about to kill not MySQL. Didn't seem that confusing in the article, but maybe the posters and editors thought the other sounded better?
To me it seems the whole conversation has been a bit off-topic (not you in particular). I don't see this as an issue about if "global warming" is happening or if there is anything we can do about it. Data may be getting better, but it seems we just don't know enough yet to even know if doing anything any differently would matter. OK, so we now basically know "global warming" is occuring. We still don't know how much of this is because of humans or natural. We still don't know if it may naturally reverse itself. We still don't know exactly what the results will be, etc, etc, etc.
So to me it isn't so much about "global warming", its about the experts in the field being told what they can/cannot say by poloticians. Any scientist studying this should be shouting his results at the top of his lungs for the world to see. Some of those findings will be absolute crap and others will be very insightful. The point is all this information must be made public so scientfic community can consider it all and advance our understanding of our world and what is happening (not just related to "global warming").
Now sceience has always had a bit of a political flavor, but I've never heard of the type or amount of coersion which now seems standard policy with this administration. So when you ask "would a Democratic president be doing anything differently?" if you are talking just about "global warming" then who knows, but if you are talking about the policy of repressing open scientific debate then I think the answer is certainly yes.
Also, a small example of how a democratic president "may" be doing things differently. My home town has an Ethonol processing plant which was opened during the Clinton administration. Since Bush came to office the regulations have been relaxed where they are now allowed to more than double thier pollution output and what is considered pollution has also been relaxed. Is that good for the economy? Is it needed with current energy prices? Does it make a difference in reguards to "global warming"? I certainly don't know, but it is an example of some possible differences.