Maybe after watching all the birds they cleaned die from ingested oil, they'll feel some pang of guilt for all the lives and livelihoods they destroyed.
Maybe... but probably not. Probably would suggest they're just pining for the fjords.
No, NOT stop everything until it's all perfect but how about not being cheap fucks and skimping on safety?!
So far we've heard that BP was pushing for a faster and faster schedule, using only two plugs instead of three, forgoing a final check on the cement, and (think this might have been Transocean) ignoring CLEAR FUCKING EVIDENCE that the seal of the BOP was damaged (clear as in chunks of in the hands of workers that they brought to the manager).
Oh, and stuff like the BOP had low batteries and one of the redundant systems was shot.
And fuck MMS for being a bunch of corporate whores and letting BP FILL OUT THE INSPECTION REPORTS. WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS WRONG WITH THESE ASSHOLES?
That's the problem and THAT is what makes me so furious. Maybe we need more regulation. Maybe we don't. It's kinda hard to tell when it appears that absolutely NONE of it was followed.
I can only wish that some asses get nailed to the wall over this.
In the few jurisdictions that I have direct experience in, you are essentially agreeing to waive your right to a jury trial in exchange for lower court costs.
Wow. I know that it's fairly common to scream 1984 here but this time I gotta point to Brazil.
It'd be interesting to see if that was the only available route bar some huge detour. I've been around parts of town where the only roads are four lane, 45 MPH with few, if any, lights. Maybe she should sue the city/county/state for not providing pedestrian-safe routes?
Upon RTFA, they have a link to the route she took. I was hesitant to jump on the "stupid bitch" bandwagon but there's multiple roads running parallel. Stupid bitch needs to use her god damn brain.
Then, perhaps, caps as per this thread. Cap their wages, whomever is at fault, rather than just skimming a static amount or percent. Or in the case of a corporation, cap profits.
Considering that they made over that in the last three months I'd say that much is a decent start to making them feel something for this god damn mess.
I don't want fast action and strong leadership, because the same happens what happened in the bad old days: leaders that go to war, are only interested in their own agendas, start idoitic programs to suppress minorities, are susceptible to corruption and lobbyists etc etc.
Uh... that all sounds pretty recent, some more than others.
What would be nice is a gov that doesn't 1) Let companies do stuff that, in the case of shit+fans, has the potential to ruin lives and livelihoods without backup plan after backup plan with resources and/or the ability to quickly get resources in to handle the problem, and 2) Holds their ass to the fire when they fuck up and have either ignored or been ignorant of safety plans and mechanisms that should have been in place.
Fair point. I would like to counter with this where they say that there's no reliable way to measure the flow of oil and that they dispute the large 3rd party estimates while relying CG and NOAA estimates.
After the rig went down, it was 1000 barrels a day. When SkyTruth published their estimates (low end was 5000), the government raised the publicly stated figure (over BP's objections) to... 5000 a day!
All this while dispersants are being pumped into the oil stream under water, limiting the amount that reaches the surface. I'd say BP damn well knew they had a huge fuck up and have been shown fighting every step into admitting it so you'll have to excuse me if I doubt the sincerity of their promise to not hide behind loopholes.
This might be an odd or even newb question: What gaggle of troops will this general lead? How much personnel do you actually need assuming you have USA's defense budget backing you up?
IANAME (I am not an materials engineer) but I'm pretty sure the steel would expand as pressure started to exceed its limits whereas concrete would just fail. Surround rock is something I hadn't thought of though. Hopefully the rock, concrete, and steel can all handle the pressure and this geyser is capped.
Government should do one thing: punish severely people and firms that those who cause damage to public property, to environment or to people.
I would prefer some degree of prevention particularly when the price of failure is so uh... what's that word? Ah, yes, so outrageously fucking huge.
I agree wholeheartedly that the gov is lacking in the punishment department. However, giving the fucking MMS was doing with BP, I see using only punishment as a solitary net to catch offenders. What would stop the likes of BP from fucking and bribing their way out of punishment?
I'm not a big fan of the death penalty but, you know, maybe China is onto something.
Actually an advanced system of lasers might work much better than fiber....
Sshyeah. All you'd need is some way around weather patterns and LOS issues. Maybe you could set up some towers and fire the lasers through a glass medium so that they're undisturbed by local weather conditions....
But seriously, I'm on wireless and it's got a looooonnnggggg ways to go before replacing wires and fiber.
I'm still trying to figure out (uh.. without RTFA) why Google would be collecting traffic in the first place. Open WiFi spots, sure, I guess. Sharing is caring might be the motto of the owners of those devices but slurping up all the data that went over them? Why?
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Maybe after watching all the birds they cleaned die from ingested oil, they'll feel some pang of guilt for all the lives and livelihoods they destroyed.
Maybe... but probably not. Probably would suggest they're just pining for the fjords.
No, NOT stop everything until it's all perfect but how about not being cheap fucks and skimping on safety?!
So far we've heard that BP was pushing for a faster and faster schedule, using only two plugs instead of three, forgoing a final check on the cement, and (think this might have been Transocean) ignoring CLEAR FUCKING EVIDENCE that the seal of the BOP was damaged (clear as in chunks of in the hands of workers that they brought to the manager).
Oh, and stuff like the BOP had low batteries and one of the redundant systems was shot.
And fuck MMS for being a bunch of corporate whores and letting BP FILL OUT THE INSPECTION REPORTS. WHAT. THE. FUCK. IS WRONG WITH THESE ASSHOLES?
That's the problem and THAT is what makes me so furious. Maybe we need more regulation. Maybe we don't. It's kinda hard to tell when it appears that absolutely NONE of it was followed.
I can only wish that some asses get nailed to the wall over this.
Wow. I know that it's fairly common to scream 1984 here but this time I gotta point to Brazil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcMDFKSLcI
Well, they have the game design down. Sounds like a Sims expansion.
It'd be interesting to see if that was the only available route bar some huge detour. I've been around parts of town where the only roads are four lane, 45 MPH with few, if any, lights. Maybe she should sue the city/county/state for not providing pedestrian-safe routes?
Upon RTFA, they have a link to the route she took. I was hesitant to jump on the "stupid bitch" bandwagon but there's multiple roads running parallel. Stupid bitch needs to use her god damn brain.
Yet that's only a bit over 36k barrels a day which is high but nowhere near the top of the range of estimates that I've seen.
Also, FoxNews sucks. I don't know why I linked them but they fucked up and said trillions instead of billions. That's only three magnitudes off....
Then, perhaps, caps as per this thread. Cap their wages, whomever is at fault, rather than just skimming a static amount or percent. Or in the case of a corporation, cap profits.
It's, what, day 40 of the leak? 25,000 barrels a day * $4,300 a barrel * 40 days of leaking = $4.3 billion.
Considering that they made over that in the last three months I'd say that much is a decent start to making them feel something for this god damn mess.
Except that what they can afford is vastly different from they'll end up paying.
Here's what roman_mir is talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo
They're trying the same shit now that was used way back then.
GARY COLEMAN AND DENIS HOPPER ARE DEAD!!!!1!!11!11111
Yes, caps are like yelling. I'm trying to make a sarcastic remark, damn it!
Sadly misunderstood by you! Clearly, he meant she-hulk porn.
Uh... that all sounds pretty recent, some more than others.
What would be nice is a gov that doesn't 1) Let companies do stuff that, in the case of shit+fans, has the potential to ruin lives and livelihoods without backup plan after backup plan with resources and/or the ability to quickly get resources in to handle the problem, and 2) Holds their ass to the fire when they fuck up and have either ignored or been ignorant of safety plans and mechanisms that should have been in place.
This interests me greatly though I won't hold my breath in anticipation: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/25/869677/-Civil-fine-for-oil-spilled-so-far-could-total-$13-billion
Rig exploded April 20th so that's about five weeks and let's go with that 5k barrels a day. 5000*35*4300= $752,500,000
That's a good start.
How about fining them for continuing to use that disperant EPA has told them to stop using?
[Fry]I get it![/Fry]
As in Christianity.
[Fry]Oh! Now I get it![/Fry]
Wouldn't it be bigger?
Fair point. I would like to counter with this where they say that there's no reliable way to measure the flow of oil and that they dispute the large 3rd party estimates while relying CG and NOAA estimates.
Here's a better article that brings up some good points: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/us/14oil.html
After the rig went down, it was 1000 barrels a day. When SkyTruth published their estimates (low end was 5000), the government raised the publicly stated figure (over BP's objections) to... 5000 a day!
All this while dispersants are being pumped into the oil stream under water, limiting the amount that reaches the surface. I'd say BP damn well knew they had a huge fuck up and have been shown fighting every step into admitting it so you'll have to excuse me if I doubt the sincerity of their promise to not hide behind loopholes.
This might be an odd or even newb question: What gaggle of troops will this general lead? How much personnel do you actually need assuming you have USA's defense budget backing you up?
IANAME (I am not an materials engineer) but I'm pretty sure the steel would expand as pressure started to exceed its limits whereas concrete would just fail. Surround rock is something I hadn't thought of though. Hopefully the rock, concrete, and steel can all handle the pressure and this geyser is capped.
Well if you have a tube of concrete and you increase the pressure within that tube....
I also remember hearing that it was only 5000 barrels a day. Now that's the amount they're sucking up through one of the leaks.
I would prefer some degree of prevention particularly when the price of failure is so uh... what's that word? Ah, yes, so outrageously fucking huge.
I agree wholeheartedly that the gov is lacking in the punishment department. However, giving the fucking MMS was doing with BP, I see using only punishment as a solitary net to catch offenders. What would stop the likes of BP from fucking and bribing their way out of punishment?
I'm not a big fan of the death penalty but, you know, maybe China is onto something.
They don't want to hurt you but you just don't understand! He's not normally like this! You don't know him like I do!
Sshyeah. All you'd need is some way around weather patterns and LOS issues. Maybe you could set up some towers and fire the lasers through a glass medium so that they're undisturbed by local weather conditions....
But seriously, I'm on wireless and it's got a looooonnnggggg ways to go before replacing wires and fiber.
That's where you point out that you're using an install wizard.
I'm still trying to figure out (uh.. without RTFA) why Google would be collecting traffic in the first place. Open WiFi spots, sure, I guess. Sharing is caring might be the motto of the owners of those devices but slurping up all the data that went over them? Why?
This should drive you nuts then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZXcRqFmFa8