Software has an impact, too. Messy, heavy code takes longer to run, takes more CPUs, etc. Imagine how much energy could be saved if there wasn't so much code bloat!
So that means that servers should be built the Gentoo way, from scratch, using just the things you need, no more, no less.
How much does it cost to deploy such a server?
How much does it cost to pay someone qualified enough to do it properly?
The code bloat is paired with feature bloat. And the more features there are, the more you have to pick and choose -- or, if you cannot choose, support. Because your users will want them, more likely than not.
Now, cleaning up the world's code... sounds like great work. So great, in fact, that I doubt it will ever be undertaken, even if the whole world went open source.
And good for him. I already had a lot of respect for him and now it's gone even higher. It's a wise man whose sense of self-worth isn't influenced by titles he's given.
Then again, there is a purpose to accepting such honours.
You can return them afterwards as a sign of protest, and it echoes more loudly than simply refusing them in the first place.
Actually, if what has been said about him in other posts in this thread, having him secure all those computers would also add up to 38 years.
But it would be poetic justice, so I'd be okay with that.
When two teenage morons^Wscript kiddies from Croatia "hacked the Pentagon", the media hyped them up as master hackers. It led to people sending them money to replace the computers confiscated by the police.
To be fair, as one of the best scientific minds of his generation, it's typically British to ignore him during his lifetime - give it 200 years or so after his death before it'll be realized how important he was.
well, since it has come to this, i am hereby accusing all MPAA, RIAA members of child abuse, child pornography, treason. remember, PROOF IS NOT REQUIRED.
Actually, I like tabs on top better than the ones at the bottom.
What I like even more is the Tree Style Tab extension.
Now all my tabs are sorted hierarchically, I can find my way around easily even with dozens of tabs open... The only downside is that auto-hide doesn't work all that well, so I lose some screen estate. Oh, and I lost the Showcase and New tab buttons, but even that should be ironed out in the near future.
Those flames are subversive to normal communication, not to mention monotonous. But now that you mentioned them, somebody will have to start one. What a git.
The IT staff should be concerned with how the systems work. If they should not be able to see certain data, although they have access to it, then said data shoud be encrypted.
If they are never tempted, then they will never succumb to temptation. And trust won't have to be such a glaring issue.
I have a feeling we are arguing semantics here because we are generally in agreement.
That may well be true.
We are in agreement for the most part, and IAALinguist.
All I'm saying is if a great majority of population have a value title x, then value title x is worth absolutely nothing. So all those people are left behind (because there is nobody behind *them*). And they are all much behind the uni wielding diploma minority.
Quite so.
I suppose you'll agree that this can be viewed as an extension of the NCLB policy. Or maybe an instance of it. I would, I repeat, point it out as a dire warning to Americans: this may well happen to you.
You misunderstood GP. But first, let me answer you.
If I misunderstood him, then France actually cares about those left behind.
The country where way too many kids in primary school have a 5.0 average?
It is a slight exaggeration but not too far from the truth. Only today did I read that Croatia has second highest grades in Europe. And what does that mean? All those grades are inflated. That is a bad thing.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
I live in Croatia, and I keep telling that to people, but to no avail.
The country where secondary education has been made obligatory, which means that even those who do not want to go to school have to?
True that, everyone has to secondary school. But all of this doesn't mean they are not left behind.
Yes, it does. The school system drags them as far along as it can, just because it has to.
We don't leave anyone behind. And very, very few actually get ahead.
Well, the second part of the sentence is true, but the first just isn't. Tell me, do you remember the percentage of university graduated people in Croatia? Let me remind you, it is below 8% by the last count. Do you know what is the European average? Around 20%.
Yes, thank you for reminding me of the reality I live in.
However, I fail to see your point; university education has little to do with the topic.
Virtually no-one is left behind in primary and secondary schools. Very few kids have to repeat class (I hope that's the right English term); teachers do not fail them, although they finish secondary school barely semi-literate.
Let me explain more clearly now. A big majority of the Croatia's population just doesn't go to the university after receiving secondary education. And a large majority of even those who actually manage to enter a college just drop out in the first year or two. Even a lesser number of those actually get the diploma.
Actually, many high-school graduates do enrol; they just never graduate.
So what am I trying to say here? The best students have no problem finishing primary and secondary school and getting the university diploma. But all others who don't have university diploma (a great majority) just lose out having the same qualifications as 92% of population. And those qualifications suck because everyone has them and on the other side of the spectrum you have roughly 8% of people who have no problem getting a job, and a lot of them can even refuse good paying ones to get higher paying ones.
Hah. Good one.
A university degree means fairly little in many jobs; ask any student of, say, journalism. Or most of my fellow linguistics students.
I agree that the great majority of people without university degrees have it bad, and that it sucks to have very average qualifications. But that cannot be compared to the NCLB policy; people are dragged to high-school graduation kicking and screaming, right up to the point where they can no longer be forced to stay in school, having turned 18 and all.
Actually, the Croatian situation can be observed as a kind of foreshadowing of what might happen to the US education system: as fewer kids get left behind, average competence will drop. In just a few generations, either American universities' standards will have dropped as well, or very few Americans will even enrol, let alone graduate. Thus American universities will educate the rest of the world, while Americans remain, for the most part, twittering idiots.
In fact, I do agree that Croatia's education sucks a lot. If you judge by the bell curve you have "bad" students pushed to the middle, middle going nowhere and it is thus mixed with the left part of the curve, and finally you have a very sharp edge at the right part of the curve which represent those "gifted" stude
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At least we won't have to look far for the first computer program with a bug.
Hell, MS didn't even invent that!
In fact, this gives us a good first point for a proof by induction that all software has bugs.
What about Vista, then?
Or DOS at least?
Software has an impact, too. Messy, heavy code takes longer to run, takes more CPUs, etc. Imagine how much energy could be saved if there wasn't so much code bloat!
So that means that servers should be built the Gentoo way, from scratch, using just the things you need, no more, no less.
How much does it cost to deploy such a server?
How much does it cost to pay someone qualified enough to do it properly?
The code bloat is paired with feature bloat. And the more features there are, the more you have to pick and choose -- or, if you cannot choose, support. Because your users will want them, more likely than not.
Now, cleaning up the world's code... sounds like great work. So great, in fact, that I doubt it will ever be undertaken, even if the whole world went open source.
Then again, there is a purpose to accepting such honours.
You can return them afterwards as a sign of protest, and it echoes more loudly than simply refusing them in the first place.
Actually, if what has been said about him in other posts in this thread, having him secure all those computers would also add up to 38 years.
But it would be poetic justice, so I'd be okay with that.
This is almost certainly the case.
When two teenage morons^Wscript kiddies from Croatia "hacked the Pentagon", the media hyped them up as master hackers. It led to people sending them money to replace the computers confiscated by the police.
I'll get the pitchforks.
Who has the torches?
And I don't mean the electric ones.
Only he wasn't ignored: he refused the honour.
In addition, I will testify against them.
Actually, I like tabs on top better than the ones at the bottom.
What I like even more is the Tree Style Tab extension.
Now all my tabs are sorted hierarchically, I can find my way around easily even with dozens of tabs open... The only downside is that auto-hide doesn't work all that well, so I lose some screen estate. Oh, and I lost the Showcase and New tab buttons, but even that should be ironed out in the near future.
Both Firefox and Opera?
Well, now we've seen it.
How fast did you say it was going?
While you all keep quoting and mis-quoting Monty Python, I found a weird Douglas Adams reference.
OK, thank you.
I stand corrected.
Also, at first I dim-wittedly replied to myself, instead of you.
So you can see how I managed the first lapse of judgement. I hope.
OK, thank you.
I stand corrected.
No, you don't.
...
I should really stop saying that.
Those flames are subversive to normal communication, not to mention monotonous. But now that you mentioned them, somebody will have to start one. What a git.
No, you didn't.
Then again, the EULA is for the distribution as a whole.
This shows why it is important to avoid deals such as the Microsoft-Novell one.
Will the market punish this behaviour, or will it stick?
Find out next week, same bat-time, same bat-channel...
Are you implying that my EULA is unenforceable?
I'm shocked. Positively shocked.
... we have been warned.
I know I will never recommend S.u.S.E. again.
BTW I think it's to whet one's appetite.
Quite right.
The IT staff should be concerned with how the systems work. If they should not be able to see certain data, although they have access to it, then said data shoud be encrypted.
If they are never tempted, then they will never succumb to temptation. And trust won't have to be such a glaring issue.
That may well be true.
All I'm saying is if a great majority of population have a value title x, then value title x is worth absolutely nothing. So all those people are left behind (because there is nobody behind *them*). And they are all much behind the uni wielding diploma minority.We are in agreement for the most part, and IAALinguist.
Quite so.
I suppose you'll agree that this can be viewed as an extension of the NCLB policy. Or maybe an instance of it. I would, I repeat, point it out as a dire warning to Americans: this may well happen to you.
This raises another question: how much porn can fit into one DNA molecule?
And should we store it in female DNA, just to be on the safe side?
You misunderstood GP. But first, let me answer you.
If I misunderstood him, then France actually cares about those left behind.
The country where way too many kids in primary school have a 5.0 average?
It is a slight exaggeration but not too far from the truth. Only today did I read that Croatia has second highest grades in Europe. And what does that mean? All those grades are inflated. That is a bad thing.
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
I live in Croatia, and I keep telling that to people, but to no avail.
The country where secondary education has been made obligatory, which means that even those who do not want to go to school have to?
True that, everyone has to secondary school. But all of this doesn't mean they are not left behind.
Yes, it does. The school system drags them as far along as it can, just because it has to.
We don't leave anyone behind. And very, very few actually get ahead.
Well, the second part of the sentence is true, but the first just isn't. Tell me, do you remember the percentage of university graduated people in Croatia? Let me remind you, it is below 8% by the last count. Do you know what is the European average? Around 20%.
Yes, thank you for reminding me of the reality I live in.
However, I fail to see your point; university education has little to do with the topic.
Virtually no-one is left behind in primary and secondary schools. Very few kids have to repeat class (I hope that's the right English term); teachers do not fail them, although they finish secondary school barely semi-literate.
Let me explain more clearly now. A big majority of the Croatia's population just doesn't go to the university after receiving secondary education. And a large majority of even those who actually manage to enter a college just drop out in the first year or two. Even a lesser number of those actually get the diploma.
Actually, many high-school graduates do enrol; they just never graduate.
So what am I trying to say here? The best students have no problem finishing primary and secondary school and getting the university diploma. But all others who don't have university diploma (a great majority) just lose out having the same qualifications as 92% of population. And those qualifications suck because everyone has them and on the other side of the spectrum you have roughly 8% of people who have no problem getting a job, and a lot of them can even refuse good paying ones to get higher paying ones.
Hah. Good one.
A university degree means fairly little in many jobs; ask any student of, say, journalism. Or most of my fellow linguistics students.
I agree that the great majority of people without university degrees have it bad, and that it sucks to have very average qualifications. But that cannot be compared to the NCLB policy; people are dragged to high-school graduation kicking and screaming, right up to the point where they can no longer be forced to stay in school, having turned 18 and all.
Actually, the Croatian situation can be observed as a kind of foreshadowing of what might happen to the US education system: as fewer kids get left behind, average competence will drop. In just a few generations, either American universities' standards will have dropped as well, or very few Americans will even enrol, let alone graduate. Thus American universities will educate the rest of the world, while Americans remain, for the most part, twittering idiots.
In fact, I do agree that Croatia's education sucks a lot. If you judge by the bell curve you have "bad" students pushed to the middle, middle going nowhere and it is thus mixed with the left part of the curve, and finally you have a very sharp edge at the right part of the curve which represent those "gifted" stude