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Fastest-Ever Flashgun Captures Image of Light Wave

loconet writes to tell us that a team of researchers have created the shortest-ever flash of light. Weighing in at just 80 attoseconds, this flash has already been used to capture an image of a laser pulse and could possibly be used in the future to capture the electron movement around large atoms.

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  1. Taking a picture of a laser beam and using flash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why?

  2. Who woulda thought? by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    My God, James Clerk Maxwell was right after all!

    1. Re:Who woulda thought? by vivin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Light is a wave and a particle and therefore, a "wavicle".

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    2. Re:Who woulda thought? by CaptainPatent · · Score: 4, Funny

      My God, James Clerk Maxwell You crazy Slashdotters and your false idols! :-)
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    3. Re:Who woulda thought? by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ergo, test particles are "testicles"?

    4. Re:Who woulda thought? by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell/ wow. Never heard of him till now, and he's a Scot.

    5. Re:Who woulda thought? by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Funny

      You may not use mine for testing.....unless it's the latest adult gadget and the researchers are hot women.

      Layne

    6. Re:Who woulda thought? by BotnetZombie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does this mean that I should call the fabric of my tent - tentacles?

    7. Re:Who woulda thought? by gwbennett · · Score: 1, Funny

      No, test tickles are what they give each Elmo doll at the factory prior to shipment!

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    8. Re:Who woulda thought? by alx5000 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, too bad he hardly ever signed using the ending slash :( He was a visionary

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    9. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the handful of names responsible for the modern age and you've never heard of him. God, this entire planet is heading for another dark age. It's the decline of Rome all over again. Go read a fucking book.

    10. Re:Who woulda thought? by CroDragn · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wrong, by classical double slit experiment. Single photons are fired at two slits, yet still create the double interference pattern that can only be explained by it going to through both slits as a wave would.

    11. Re:Who woulda thought? by badpazzword · · Score: 1
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    12. Re:Who woulda thought? by Richy_T · · Score: 2, Funny

      Particles of umpredicatability: whimsicles

    13. Re:Who woulda thought? by negRo_slim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I prefer 'warticle' or a 'parve'. Fits in nicely with quark if I do say so myself.

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    14. Re:Who woulda thought? by thedrx · · Score: 1

      One of the handful of names responsible for the modern age and you've never heard of him. God, this entire planet is heading for another dark age. It's the decline of Rome all over again. Go read a fucking book.

      Said the guy who uses the word 'God' as an intensifier/interjection.

    15. Re:Who woulda thought? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Can we combine this technique with the double slit experiment?

      Fire a single photon at the right frequency toward both slits through a neon gas cloud. Then those atoms that encountered the photon should emit a faint glow?

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    16. Re:Who woulda thought? by turgid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ergo, test particles are "testicles"?

      No, he was a famous ancient Greek philosopher.

    17. Re:Who woulda thought? by Supergibbs · · Score: 2, Funny

      I prefer 'warticle' or a 'parve'. Ooooh it's kosher?
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    18. Re:Who woulda thought? by taupin · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? The page wasn't taken down. . . it's just that the linky is wrong. Try here

    19. Re:Who woulda thought? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      My God! Maxwell is full of stars.

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    20. Re:Who woulda thought? by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Or a Partitave.

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    21. Re:Who woulda thought? by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Funny

      Would that be the famous double-slit experiment?

    22. Re:Who woulda thought? by krakass · · Score: 1

      Actually there was just an extra / appended to the url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell.

    23. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to use the cache, the grandparent poster's link merely had an extra trailing slash. Here's the actual Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell

      And I think even the "wiki-nazis" would be hard pressed to justify deleting an article on one of the greatest physicists of all time, so let's not claim malice so quickly next time, eh?

    24. Re:Who woulda thought? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Obviously never played Max Payne 2 then.

      And the grown ups say computer games never teach us anything...

    25. Re:Who woulda thought? by CroDragn · · Score: 3, Informative

      I assume you mean to use this method to determine which slit the photon passes through, which works. Sorta. Determining which slit the photon passes through can be done (not sure if by this method, but it's been done in the past), but when done all of a sudden the interference pattern vanishes. This is the source of the quantum observation effect you may have heard about.

    26. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use women;
      insert into SQLGuru ( select * from anal_probolators where a.prob_type='xlarge');

    27. Re:Who woulda thought? by treeves · · Score: 1

      A /.er who's never taken a Physics class? You must be in a small minority, I would think.

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    28. Re:Who woulda thought? by ChameleonDave · · Score: 1

      Or it could just be a "particle-wave". What is it with you people and your obsessive formation of portmanteaux?

    29. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Light is a wave and a particle and therefore, a "wavicle". President Bush, is that you?
    30. Re:Who woulda thought? by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Guess you never took a physics class then. He has published some well-reviewed work in his time, apparently...

    31. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From him we get that expression for describing a reaction to being criticised as, "being teste"!

    32. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ergo, test particles are "testicles"?

      No, he was a famous ancient Greek philosopher.

      The son of Philopia.
    33. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ergo, test particles are "testicles"?

      No, he was a famous ancient Greek philosopher.

      Son of Philopia.
    34. Re:Who woulda thought? by cool_arrow · · Score: 1

      now that's funny

    35. Re:Who woulda thought? by cool_arrow · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought tentacles was a greek god. Ever hear of popsicles - the greek god of frozen confections?

    36. Re:Who woulda thought? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My God! The stairwell is full of stairs.

  3. Duckhunt by AioKits · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I get one of these flashguns for that? I'll show those ducks who the boss is!

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    1. Re:Duckhunt by andrewd18 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Newsline Saturday: Hundreds of mallard ducks found dead outside residential area; experts believe death caused by epileptic seizures.

    2. Re:Duckhunt by PawNtheSandman · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold?

      One's a sick duck and... I can't remember how it ends, but your mother's a whore.

    3. Re:Duckhunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That Dog had gone a bit too far.. Now for Payback!

    4. Re:Duckhunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, that still makes me chuckle. Celebrity Jeopardy was one of the best parts of SNL.

    5. Re:Duckhunt by Drakonik · · Score: 3, Funny

      My girlfriend tells a joke about ducks. It goes:

      "What's the difference between a grape and a duck?"
      Answer: "Both are purple, except for the duck."

      Yeah, it's stupid, but I laugh, and then she has sex with me.

    6. Re:Duckhunt by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      At which point she laughs?

    7. Re:Duckhunt by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      What about that fucking dog? If anything ever need to die it was that snickering bastard! ;)

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    8. Re:Duckhunt by corbettw · · Score: 1

      So your girlfriend is 6?

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    9. Re:Duckhunt by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Funny

      My girlfriend tells a joke about ducks. It goes:

      "What's the difference between a grape and a duck?"
      Answer: "Both are purple, except for the duck."

      Yeah, it's stupid, but I laugh, and then she has sex with me.

      Tell her I laughed. How far does she live from Nesher?
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    10. Re:Duckhunt by silentcoder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Discussing your sex life on /. is such an effective proof of virginity the Silver Ring club now uses it to evaluate membership applications !

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    11. Re:Duckhunt by Drakonik · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you +1 Funny, if I hadn't already posted.

    12. Re:Duckhunt by ArAgost · · Score: 1

      My girlfriend That was hilarious! LOL!
  4. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, you mean light particle, right?

    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it was an overweight particle. That is why it jiggled as it moved.

    2. Re:But... by cp.tar · · Score: 1

      Well, now we've seen it.
      How fast did you say it was going?

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    3. Re:But... by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 0

      If light has no mass, then how could there be a "light particle"? I thought this was just capturing the effect light has on particles.

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    4. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Light is both a particle and a wave, depending on how it's observed. Do a search for the 'double slit experiment' or the 'duality of light.' Then take two aspirin, call me in the morning.

    5. Re:But... by mikael · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look at ocean waves travelling along the coast line. While a wave can be said to have energy through the momentum of water, there is no actual wave particle itself, just the interaction of all the water molecules interacting together, along with gravity to keep everything together.

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    6. Re:But... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Photons are massless particles.

  5. Another possible use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be perfect to photograph the movement of electrons around Robert Mugabe's brain.

    1. Re:Another possible use... by clem · · Score: 1

      Simply not enough African political humor here on Slashdot. Could be wittier, though.

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    2. Re:Another possible use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What brain?

  6. Sounds impossible by Carewolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Using light to take pictures of light in motion?

    This is either a hoax, or the the article is skipping some really important part.

    1. Re:Sounds impossible by bugnuts · · Score: 5, Interesting

      from TFA, I believe it's imaging a laser pulse shot through neon gas. It's the laser pulse that triggered the flash in the first place.

      Bizarrely, the article states

      As each flash is intense enough to completely ionise a neon atom and release an electron, the researchers could use those electrons like a flashgun, to illuminate some of the original 2.5 femtosecond trigger pulses of laser light. This is interesting, because the neon is releasing electrons, not photons.

      I agree that snapping a photo of light sounds dubious, but it looks like an electron flash, so maybe it's just making something visible that wouldn't have been seen otherwise.

    2. Re:Sounds impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article states that the laser pulse is 2.5 femtoseconds and the flash is 80 attoseconds. Since 1 attosecond is an order of magnitude less than 1 femtosecond it is very possible.

    3. Re:Sounds impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be that they are taking a picture of a second laser pulse as it ionizes the neon gas, and are therefore not actually photographing the light but the plasma that the light produces.

    4. Re:Sounds impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it wasn't the light, but the crash what they took a picture of.

      Darn unconscious people crashing light just for their research. Where are the activists when needed?

    5. Re:Sounds impossible by theun4gven · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree that snapping a photo of light sounds dubious, but it looks like an electron flash, so maybe it's just making something visible that wouldn't have been seen otherwise. All photos are photos of light.
    6. Re:Sounds impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 orders of magnitude.

    7. Re:Sounds impossible by n6kuy · · Score: 1

      So, basically, it's a scintillator. The neon gas glows with secondary photon emission for a short while when bombarded by a few photons of laser light.
      Nothing new here.

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    8. Re:Sounds impossible by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      "The light pulses are produced by firing longer, but still very short laser pulses into a cloud of neon gas. The laser gives a kick of energy to the neon atoms, which then release this energy in the form of brief pulses of extreme ultraviolet light" Sorry I RTFA yesterday. I know that's against the rules... Please sir, take pity!
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    9. Re:Sounds impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you actually RTFA? Obviously you did not read the part you quoted. It says "the researchers could use those electrons like a flashgun, to illuminate some of the original 2.5 femtosecond trigger pulses of laser light." The electrons are used for illumination... The article also says, "The laser gives a kick of energy to the neon atoms, which then release this energy in the form of brief pulses of extreme ultraviolet light." So it is a picture of light, apparently.

    10. Re:Sounds impossible by nthcolumnist · · Score: 1

      Using light to take pictures of light in motion?

      This is either a hoax, or the the article is skipping some really important part.

      I used to hate it in Physics when they'd use some weird or backwards analogy like this - its a wonder anyone understand anything. Stupid physicists.
    11. Re:Sounds impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the ejected electron's path is affected by the light's magnetic field. if the electron's path brings it back near the ionized atom again, it will experience an acceleration and change of energy in the form of a photon emmision.

    12. Re:Sounds impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in the literal sense.

      "Photos" taken using scanning electron microscopes don't use any light.

  7. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recall something about non-commuting observables that might make that electrons near atoms stuff suspect.

  8. Re:Taking a picture of a laser beam and using flas by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because it's there. Well.. no... I mean it's "there", now. Oh. I mean by now it's all the way over there...

    Dang! You know what I mean!

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  9. P.E.T.A will be pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    a captured atom is an unhappy atom?

    1. Re:P.E.T.A will be pissed by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 1

      They'll just euthanize the atoms anyway...

    2. Re:P.E.T.A will be pissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They see me trollin'
      They hatin'
      Patrollin'
      And tryin to catch me ridin' dirty

  10. Single photons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't one of the hundreds of experiments that release and capture individual photons hold the record for fastest flash of light? What is the definition of "flash" in this context?

  11. Yep, it's hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It is a hoax. see the picture of the light pulse? Well, for one, it's only showing a wave and we all know from physics that light is both a wave and and particle. So where's the particle? Hmmm?

    Secondly, the wave is, well, wavy. And we know, again from physics, that light only travels in a straight line.

    Those damn scientists always trying to fool us! And engineers too!

    1. Re:Yep, it's hoax. by SQLGuru · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, it's camera shake......they should have used a tripod.

      Layne

    2. Re:Yep, it's hoax. by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      It is a hoax. see the picture of the light pulse? Well, for one, it's only showing a wave and we all know from physics that light is both a wave and and particle.

      Hey, I _am_ a particle, you insensitive clod!
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    3. Re:Yep, it's hoax. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Secondly, the wave is, well, wavy. And we know, again from physics, that light only travels in a straight line. Light travels in a straight line in the absence of gravity. The curve in the space due to gravity bends light. So, the fastest flashgun apparently wreaks havoc in the space by creating a strange gravitational effect that makes the light wavy like that.
  12. Re:Taking a picture of a laser beam and using flas by StarReaver · · Score: 0

    This is a pulse of a laser, not a continuous wave. The video in the article explains it better than I could.

  13. Re:Taking a picture of a laser beam and using flas by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    He wanted a cool desktop background... BTW is there a link to a high resolution picture of that that would make a cool desktop background.

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  14. Um... What? by barfy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ok, Internet Physicists out there, please help me.

    Ok, first you have this coherent photon beam. This means that they are all traveling at the same direction. So how do you take a picture of THAT?

    You are bombarding the photon beam with photons, are the photons opaque, reflective, or TRANSPARENT? How do the photons from the flash, BOUNCE BACK at the camera. When they bounce back, how do you get color?

    Is it just me, or does this make any sense at all?

    1. Re:Um... What? by Godji · · Score: 0

      Very good questions, indeed. [looks around for mod points and finds none]

    2. Re:Um... What? by sp332 · · Score: 1

      In the article (and I'm not claiming to understand this completely), they send the photon pulse into a cloud of neon atoms, and image the electrical burst resulting from a completely ionized neon atom.

    3. Re:Um... What? by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      Apparently it's not a flash of photons, but a flash of electrons.

      Maybe it's measuring the magnetic deflection? I know that both photons and electrons can be moved with a charge, so they may have an effect on each other.

      If you remove the scatter and noise, you can probably get a pattern of electrons passing by photons ... but I am not a physicist!

    4. Re:Um... What? by Benbrizzi · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's not what happens. You only see a laser because the photons reflect off particles (neon in this case). The photons which hit your camera all come from (almost) parallel lines so what you see is where the photons hit by your beam were.

    5. Re:Um... What? by Btarlinian · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the article it sounds like a pump-probe experiment. They excite the neon with a 2.5 femtosecond pulse and then image the excited state with a 80 attosecond pulse. (You obviously need the imaging pulse to be shorter than the excitation pulse.) I'm not sure how much detail you would be able to get from this though, as the wavelength and brightness of the light source would be a limiting factor.

    6. Re:Um... What? by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

      I read that as "[looks around for mod points and finds nose]" which is far, far funnier. And they're bombarding the photon beam with electrons, not photons. Similar questions still apply.

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    7. Re:Um... What? by againjj · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ok, first you have this coherent photon beam. This means that they are all traveling at the same direction. So how do you take a picture of THAT?

      In a different way that a standard photograph.

      You are bombarding the photon beam with photons,

      No, you aren't. That doesn't make sense.

      What they do is have the laser pulse travel through something they call a "chirped mirror". This packs the photos from the laser pulse into a smaller space. This then travels through a neon cloud, which then creates a flash of light. This flash of light is the "shortest-ever flash of light".

      To photograph this flash of light, they direct it into a second neon cloud, which ionizes atoms, releasing electrons. Those electrons are then recorded. Multiple flashes were required to produce enough electrons to build up the image shown in the article, so what you really have is an image of many flashes overlaid.

    8. Re:Um... What? by barfy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thanks, but I think there is something I have hopelessly never figured out, and that something would also let me understand how reflection works. How does an atom know the direction that the photon was traveling and and what does it bump off of? And isn't the atom round, so how come reflection works like the atoms are a plane. And how does the atom know the relative position of the atoms around it, so that it can reflect the photon in the right direction?

      This is also the problem with lenses. How does the atom know the surface of the greater object, so that it knows what directions to send the photons that are passing through?

      I am sure if I understood this, it would make the underlying question here easier. But as many of these answers so far show, this is be far, not a trivial question.

    9. Re:Um... What? by TigerNut · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Richard Feynman once pondered, if moisture molecules in the atmosphere scatter light, and presumably this is a random effect because the molecules are randomly distributed, why is it that buildings, etc. when they're viewed through mist, do they still have sharp edges? You'd think all the random scatter would blur the edges.

      That thought train led him to do some fundamental work in particle scattering and path integrals, IIRC, and eventually to the Feynman diagrams that are now commonly used to describe some aspects of particle interactions.

      So you're thinking some good deep thoughts there, but I can't give you a good answer other than "they just know". Basically the "proper" reflection is the only one that is coherent to the observer and the other reflected beams are all out of phase so they might as well not happen... and therefore they don't. Or something like that.

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    10. Re:Um... What? by Anpheus · · Score: 3, Funny

      God dammit, now what's the answer? Why are the building edges sharp?

      Feynman would never have left me hanging like that.

    11. Re:Um... What? by barfy · · Score: 1

      Thank you, thank you...

      I have not fully parsed what you said. But... You have me actually thinking more correctly about this, and that is what was important. I had obviously fallen off the bus somewhere, but I had no idea where.

      I think I am getting my head around this. Now I have problems with "shortest, and how that coincides with singular, chance and cloud" and the need to have an electron sensor rather than a photon sensor. But I am much closer to the end than to the beginning. Thank you again!

    12. Re:Um... What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you read "QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter" by Richard Feynman.

    13. Re:Um... What? by xPsi · · Score: 1

      Note light WILL interact weakly with light via virtual charged particles. This is the principle behind gamma-gamma studies and their ilk. Keep in mind, this isn't what the researchers the /. article are doing (see elsewhere in the article and thread for that explanation).

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    14. Re:Um... What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All possible paths happen, but the contribution from the ones other than the "proper" path are just extremely small. Read Feynman's QED for a good treatment of this that's very accessible.

    15. Re:Um... What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waves. They really explain this much, much better...

    16. Re:Um... What? by Karma+Bandit · · Score: 1

      And isn't the atom round, so how come reflection works like the atoms are a plane. I think all your problems boil down to that one question. Because light is a wave, it does not feel the effects of things below its wavelength. It basically smears out their effects. So, the property of lenses and mirrors is that they are flat when smeared out to the particular wavelength of light. Visible light is around 500 nm in size, while an atom is around 0.5 nm in size. So, the wavelength of light is smearing out the effects of hundreds or thousands of atoms into a single flat blob. Getting the surface to be flat is an important quantity in optics, and in fact when you order lenses, they will typically say how flat they are in relation to the wavelength of light (e.g. wavelength/10, meaning it's flat within 1/10th of the wavelength.) If you were to somehow hit the surface with very high energy photons with a wavelength around 1 nm, you would not see a flat surface, and things would bounce off the round atoms just like you want. In fact, this is how x-ray crystallography works.
    17. Re:Um... What? by BlackLungPop · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out the book QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter, by Richard Feynman. The answer is basically that the photon doesn't bounce off of anything! It "interacts" with an electron, and another photon is emitted. Why is it emitted at the particular angle? That's what the book is all about. Way too much to explain here. But if you want to understand in layman's terms how reflection and refraction work, and why glass is transparent, get that book, it's wonderful.

    18. Re:Um... What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter by Richard Feynman. Read it. Seriously, if you are at all interested in physics, it's a great ride. I understood more about the way the world worked after reading that single book than after all the populist literature of both Hawkings or Greene.

      Too bad Feynman died before he could do a book on QCD.

    19. Re:Um... What? by Warbothong · · Score: 1

      Seems that the description in TFA is a bit simplified for non-physicists, which makes it really confusing to physicists who are after the removed information :P

      In the situation you describe, however, the wave model of light says that they are "transparent" to each other, ie. if you sent 2 beams through each other at right angles you would detect them out the other side exactly the same as if they didn't cross. The only difference would be if you measured the intensity at the point where they intersect, the intensity being the sum of the intensities of both waves (which, depending on their phase and coherence, will be between zero and the sum of the waves' maxima)

  15. FLASH! Ahhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Savior of the universe!

    1. Re:FLASH! Ahhhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flush! Ahhhhh saviour of the toilet pan.

    2. Re:FLASH! Ahhhhh by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Flash, we only have 80 attoseconds to save the Earth!

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  16. What about shutter speed? by BenFenner · · Score: 1

    Do we care how short a flash of light can be created?

    Can't you just illuminate something brightly for any length of time when taking a picture?

    Isn't shutter speed the problem?

    Someone educate me.

    1. Re:What about shutter speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A shutter is just a way of shortening the flash time. If you can make the flash sort on its own, you don't need a shutter, which is big and mechanical and slow.

    2. Re:What about shutter speed? by Btarlinian · · Score: 1

      They're effectively the same thing. If no light falls on your detector, it's essentially the same as having a closed shutter. When you can figure out how to open and close a shutter in less than a trillionth of a second you can let them know. It's far easier to create a short pulse of light.

    3. Re:What about shutter speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, shutters are used to limit the ambient light from reaching the film (or sensor). In a situation like this you are limiting the light being produced. So no shutter is needed - just leave the film exposed for the whole experement, when the light is produced it will be recorded (you record the rest of it too, but it records as nothing).

    4. Re:What about shutter speed? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1
      Isn't shutter speed the problem?


      They set their camera to the B (bulb) setting which keeps the lens open as long as the button is depressed. Set your camera to where you want to take a picture, screw a cable release into the shutter release button of a camera, turn off all lights in the room, depress cable release button and tighten the screw to keep the shutter open, trigger your action and the flash to capture the action, loosen the cable release so the shutter now closes, turn on lights in room. Rinse and repeat as many times as you have exposures on your roll of film.

      In the current case, they are using an electrical camera sans film so keeping the shutter open shouldn't be a problem.

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    5. Re:What about shutter speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Do we care how short a flash of light can be created?
      Can't you just illuminate something brightly for any length of time when taking a picture?
      Isn't shutter speed the problem?
      Someone educate me. As with so many things, the laws of physics are the problem. The duration of light is the path of least resistance.
      The fundamental reason behind using strobe light in photography is to freeze action.

      Consider a 35mm film camera with a mechanical shutter... what degree of force and mechanism would be required to move that shutter to open AND close the height of 24mm in 80 attoseconds? IANAPhysicist, but I doubt human hands could hang on to it.

      Meanwhile, I can take my old Leica*, lock the shutter open on a tripod in a dark room, and "paint" the walls with a handheld strobe. There will be no overall blur because the camera is stable, and no object blur, because the distance my cat* can run in 1/31,000ths of a second (the speed of my flash at 1/64th power) is too small to perceive.

      *note I no longer have a Leica or a cat because of falling down in the dark. Don't try this at home kids.

    6. Re:What about shutter speed? by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Since you are only worried about blocking or not blocking light, could you do something with multiple LCD's (2 to 6ms response time) stacked and "timed" such that you get down to something approaching the 1 trillionth of a second goal? You'd lose some of the light just because of going through the medium, but that can be dealt with.

      Layne

    7. Re:What about shutter speed? by egomaniac · · Score: 5, Informative

      Consider a 35mm film camera with a mechanical shutter... what degree of force and mechanism would be required to move that shutter to open AND close the height of 24mm in 80 attoseconds? IANAPhysicist, but I doubt human hands could hang on to it.

      Apparently we're not realizing just how short 80 attoseconds is. You doubt human hands could hang on to it? Moving 24mm in 80 attoseconds is faster than the speed of light. Not only is it faster than the speed of light, it's a million times faster than the speed of light.

      Light only travels 24 nanometers in 80 attoseconds.

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    8. Re:What about shutter speed? by n6kuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Film?

      What's that?

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    9. Re:What about shutter speed? by kcjefff · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Your safe search is off, which triggers my URL filtering to block google. It's a great way to catch people who hang out on the seedier side of google images.

    10. Re:What about shutter speed? by kjots · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your safe search is off, which triggers my URL filtering to block google. It's a great way to catch people who hang out on the seedier side of google images.

      Or people who don't like to have their search results artificially curtailed by someone else's sense of unreasonable morality.

    11. Re:What about shutter speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but focal plane shutters don't move very fast anyway. Its actually two shutters that chase eachother and form a narrow slit of light that travels across the film. Most cameras only have the shutter open around 1/60th of a second, better ones will manage 1/125th, for focal plane systems anyway.

  17. Who shot the ducks? by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Newsline Saturday: Hundreds of mallard ducks found dead outside residential area; experts believe death caused by epileptic seizures.
    Here, let me fix that for you:

    Newsline Saturday: Dog found dead outside residential area; experts believe death caused by epileptic seizures.
  18. That's nothing... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    I have a flashlight that will shoot a beam out in 1 nottasecond. Also, imagine the stop-motion sports photos you could get with 80-attosecond film speed!

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    1. Re:That's nothing... by nebenfun · · Score: 1

      Forget sports...
      how about those "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!" moments in the movies?

      Hours and hours enjoyment!

  19. Multimedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the multimedia attached to the article:

    1. A photograph of the pulse (very cool)
    2. A "video clip showing a pulse of light lasting just a fraction of a second" which is actually the same photograph above, only smaller, with a home-video wipe effect applied to it. Very, very lame and condescending. All it's missing is the laugh track.
  20. Possible explanaition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Here's a thought. You have a coherent photon beam. This doesn't just mean they are all traveling in the same direction, this also means that they are perfectly in phase with one another. Probably better to think about it as a single wave with a large amplitude. Anyways, you shine another pulse of light at it, the light passes through the laser beam, and hits a detector. Perhaps they are measuring the interference between the laser light and the light pulse or some such. Not exactly a reflective picture in the common sense, but a picture none the less..

  21. Ummm.. by InlawBiker · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hate to be a pedantic killjoy, but on that film the light flash lasted about 3 seconds. I could see it pretty well with my naked eye.

    Try again, science!

  22. Electron movement? by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jonathan Marangos at Imperial College London, UK, says the super-short flashes could let researchers image the movement of electrons around large atoms. So, you take a picture of it. Now you know where it is. But how fast is it going?

    Does anybody else see the problem here?
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    1. Re:Electron movement? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      I have a gut feeling quantum mechanics will have to say something about that. Is somebody back to 'God doesn't play dice'? Orbitals, anybody?

  23. Just in time for the wedding by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    I am SO going to use this in a speech about my cousin's wedding night when we throw his stag next week. "Fast, you say? I'll tell you about fast..."

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    1. Re:Just in time for the wedding by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 1

      That's gonna be one hell of a party man.

      One. Hell. Of a Party.

  24. Yeah, but ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... it'll still take Wallgreens an hour to develop the film.

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  25. Dare I say it? by natebarney · · Score: 1

    Attoboy!

  26. Chuck Norris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could hold onto it. And you know he is faster than light.

    1. Re:Chuck Norris by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only part of chuck norris that is hard is his dick whenever he sees a goat.

  27. Single photon vs Pulse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have already produced sources that can release a single photon at a time. How short of a pulse would that be?

    I suspect that when the article refers to the "shortest ever pulse", they're referring to a release/burst of many photons within a short time frame.

  28. Perspective: by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

    Image of a pulse of light that is 2.5 billionths of a millionth of a second long 2.5 billionth of a millionth of a second? So... is that 2.5 femtoseconds, anyone want to check my math?

    billionths of a billionth of a second I'm going out on a limb and saying a gazillionth second?
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    1. Re:Perspective: by Born2bwire · · Score: 1

      I'm as confused as you are. Why can't they just put them into units of Time to Read Library of Congress?

    2. Re:Perspective: by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      woah its this a long billion or a short billion?

  29. Can you picture that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some reason, this song popped into my head after reading this article.

  30. Bender by QuantumFlux · · Score: 1

    Ah, sweet photons.... I don't know if you're waves or particles, but you sure do go down smooth.

  31. No more speeding in my Honda. by Cur8or · · Score: 0

    There is now no more doubt that you can't beat those laser guns the cops use, if they upgrade to this baby.

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  32. Doomsday for Schrodinger's Cat Solved? by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    "and could possibly be used in the future to capture the electron movement around large atoms."

    I like Einstein, never like the idea of superposition. The cat will die when factors cause it to die. It does not flip between dead and alive in a box.

    But I suppose quantum theorists will say that by observing the location of the electron it is also changing it, that had it not been measured it'd be somewhere else, thus proving black is white.

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    1. Re:Doomsday for Schrodinger's Cat Solved? by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

      Fortunately Bell's Theorem provides us with an experiment that can disprove the idea that it is just hidden variables.

      Unfortunately, while actual testing of those experiments appears to confirm Bell's Theorem, there are a few loopholes and controversies about whether the experiments actually worked.

    2. Re:Doomsday for Schrodinger's Cat Solved? by anotherzeb · · Score: 1

      "But I suppose quantum theorists will say that by observing the location of the electron it is also changing it, that had it not been measured it'd be somewhere else, thus proving black is white."

      I hope they're careful on zebra crossings if they do

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    3. Re:Doomsday for Schrodinger's Cat Solved? by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 1

      doesn't quite work with zebras - too big.

  33. typical amature photography by redGiraffe · · Score: 1

    hmm, looking at the pic I would say they forgot the anti-shake setting

  34. Mattress pad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    looks to me like one of those foam mattress pads with some wavy black fog of war photoshopped in

  35. Flash of Light? by IronMagnus · · Score: 1

    The shortest ever Flash of Light? How much spell haste did that paladin have to stack? - WoW geek

  36. Actually theorectically possible by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Using light to take pictures of light in motion?
    Actually this is theoretically possible. You can make two photons interact but it is not a first order effect and in fact is very heavily suppressed at low energies. So it is possible but incredibly unlikely (and certainly not how they did it here).
  37. Longer by BigAssRat · · Score: 1

    The video was a lot longer than I expected.

  38. Oblig Futurama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is especially impossible!

  39. Doing the math by sahonen · · Score: 1

    An 80 attosecond pulse of light is about 29 nanometers wide. Google "The speed of light in nanometers per attosecond) and multiply that by 80.

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  40. Does that mean... by speedbiker · · Score: 1

    that I will finally be able to take a picture of a woman, talking on the phone to a friend, having her mouth _shut_? (provided that I dim the lights so the flash will do its work) Will 80 attoseconds be enough for this?

  41. You can put the calculation in too by Xocet_00 · · Score: 1

    80 * the speed of light in nanometers per attoseconds

  42. The previous record breakers... by grey3 · · Score: 1

    have a better explanation of the generation of high harmonics

    http://www.atto.fysik.lth.se/

  43. Hazy Memoires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Articles like this make me want to quit my job and go back to studying physics and smoking pot.

  44. That looks familiar by Megane · · Score: 1
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  45. and the light in my head flashed faster by sheehaje · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Don't know why I thought of it, but as soon as I saw the imaging I thought of Clive Barkers Weaveworld novel. Maybe magic isn't actually magic, and there are reasons, and scientific ones, that people have certain insight that others can't fathom. I definitely don't want to be one of those whack jobs that think the Earth is still flat, but things like this and string theory always keep me wondering if the guy down the street doing LSD and pulling down his pants all the time was really crazy or just had a different sense of perception.

    1. Re:and the light in my head flashed faster by lazy+genes · · Score: 1

      I was hoping for a double helix folding into a single core. But it wasn't a real photon.

  46. All that means... by jd · · Score: 1

    ...is that the photograph is taken before he presses the shutter. However, you can never know this for certain, as his finger now weighs an almost an infinite amount (albeit as an imaginary mass), which will result in the camera undergoing gravitational collapse into the finger.

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  47. Implications to quantum mechanics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this have any impact to the mainstream views of quantum mechanics?

  48. The funny thing is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your safe search is off, which triggers my URL filtering to block google. It's a great way to catch people who hang out on the seedier side of google images. ...that I'd definitely win a bet that you have many gigabytes of really disgusting pr0n stashed away someplace.

    Preachy, holier-than-thou, judgemental scumbags like you always have gigabytes of really disgusting pr0n stashed away someplace.

    You're the kind of detestable loser who is arrested while he's at the neighborhood church and charged with raping his own children.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see on your birth certificate that your middle name is 'Hypocrite'.

  49. It's a WAVEICLE, silly. by Rockin'Robert · · Score: 0

    Not to be confused with a drive-by moon!
    RR

  50. And then he asked her... by Agent__Smith · · Score: 1

    Was it good for you too??

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  51. Re:Taking a picture of a laser beam and using flas by owndao · · Score: 1

    Say, how long were the shots from the pulse rifles in Star Wars? I'm sure that they were at least the first!

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  52. Re:Taking a picture of a laser beam and using flas by armareum · · Score: 1

    I think you'll find Han shot first.

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  53. Wow... I thought "wave" was simplified description by FazzMunkle · · Score: 1

    I hope you guys can forgive me on this, but it never occurred to me that they literally look like that. I always thought that the "waves" were too numerous and dense and the best way to describe it was to say they were waves. Thinking that was the layman's explanation and the actual scientific description was much more complicated.