and what about people who buy osx at the store? (ppc or soon x86)
are they pirates?
don't they have a right to install that piece of software on any hardware they choose, with the understanding that they won't get support from the vendor under those circumstances?
actually, nothing has changed from the ppc-only mac.
there were lots of non-apple ppc computers but certainly, there was little to no damage done to apple financially. and then the only real protection they had was the "EULA".
frankly, since people keep saying apple is a services company, they will face no threat from non-apple branded hardware running osx. you cannot get the mac "Experience" using unapproved hardware running a broken and hacked osx lacking drivers for most devices.
it's a smokescreen. as the parent said " Sadly this means that I now support any kind of gestapo like tactic that they use to keep the OS locked to their hardware." what has changed? nothing. mac OS has ALWAYS been locked to the hardware. moving to another cpu will absolutely not change that.
and having a few people who want to dick around with osx on their current x86 computer will not even remotely scratch apple's financial situation.
but what it will do is bring more (very little) into the limelight about what software and the supposed "licensing" of it into the mainstream. they will recognize that software can be made to fit into any hardware given enough time and resources, at the expense of the customer's labor not apples or the manufacturer's.
people will question more and more why there are artificial restrictions placed on products they buy. and more and more they will wonder, just when they signed a contract restricting them...
they will wonder amongst other things, why that region 2-5 dvd/blu-ray/hd-dvd disc they bought won't play in their region 1 player. why they are connecting their home entertainment system to the internet to get permission to run their bought music and videos.
it won't be long before even joe 7-1 pack and his wife josephine 2+4 pack will wonder why they have to ask permission to play their music/videos and games. it'll be too late at the legislation level but they still have control of their wallets. then they will begin to look for ways to bring back the commerce of old; in which people owned property that they bought.
apple won't lose financially but they will lose the ever so lucrative "mind share". whether it amounts to anything will have to be left to the reader.
if your business requires you to lock software to hardware and other artificial means... then you better have a plan b. you'll find that people don't respect limits to products they own and copyright grants them the right to use that copy in whatever means the customer sees fit. if you want to limit customers' rights, you'll have to make people sign real contracts... and that won't be as easy and making the public believe that by opening the box that they are under a contract or by clicking a button the screen that they are bound by terms even lawyers think is too draconian.
i lament the coming DRM invasion. but it's only more of the same that we've had since the 80's (aka the crippled floppy decade). only now, it'll be much tougher to work around them to get back the rights we are granted by copyright law and the constitution, not to mention common sense property law.
vote with your dollar and more importantly, vote with your conscience. even if you must buy DRM products, at least give some real thought into what you're owed and what you're giving up.
to abstain from gadgets and shiny things is a real hard thing to do, especially for geeks and nerds. but at least give some consideration to it next time you're licking the interface. the real change begins from within.
it was written in 1998 so that means the FBI were using it for oh, the past 20+ years.
do you think they would divulge their secrets if no one else knew? by 1998, just about every "security" and "intelligence" agency had already surpassed it.
sounds like a great idea not to fuck with them then.
maybe they only chant stuff like that because the US tried to inject puppets into their nation.
maybe stop inviting the CIA to overthrow their regime.
or running stories about how their nuclear power plant is a cover for a WMD station. a nation who lied about WMDs in iraq, forged the niger yellow cake "evidence" and can say with a straight face that iraq was connected with 9-11, even after saying otherwise, doesn't deserve to believed about anything.
a nation who has 50 thousand nuclear warheads telling another nation they cannot have weapons, is about as absurd and hypocritical as it gets, especially since it's also the only country that has used 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets. an act of terrorism by any definition of the word.
and clearly, any country that doesn't have wmd, like iraq, gets invaded. it's about time every nation on earth starts stockpiling wmd.
perhaps some new users who happen to stumble onto this site will hear about news that they never would normally hear.
pro-people, anti-corporation.
if they cannot stay in business through ethical behavior, then they will be brought down.
corporations only exist at the plesaure of the public. that they make money is the way they stay in existence. and the way they make that money determines the wrath or lack of from the public.
the public at large has no clue what microsoft is up to or what goes on behind the PR campaigns.
and since business models are of paramount import to the citizens, they have erected laws that guarantee profitability in perpetuity for businesses once they establish a pattern.
oh, we don't have laws like that? oh you say we're not required to care how they keep making money?
"their" hardware is sitting in the customer's living room. after having purchased the device in question from a store.
i wonder how they define the word "commerce".
and since it's not a rental or lease but an outright purchase... they don't have any legal legs to stand on. i mean the kind of legality we had before D.C. became lobbyistville.
find another way to prevent copyright infringement of games. if you deny customers their hardware, then infact the manufacturers are the thieves, in the real sense of the word.
it requires more sophisticated hardware analysis tools and perhaps revised algorithmic attack vectors.
clearly, they've changed the way it works enough that previous avenues for revealing the mechanism will not work.
try something totally new.
DRM is the most flawed cryptology around for the simple reason that it must be viewable by all people who purchase it. and because of that, it must be on the hardware and software in possession of the customer.
hardware is a lot tougher to crack than software simply because the tools required are more often than not, not able to be acquired by the hackers.
but the difference here is that your hardware which a "console" (read computer) is, has far more uses than trying to "crack" satellite to get free service.
if you can hack a "console", then the person who bought that device, can have full access to their personal property. that's simply not the way it is with satellite access.
all those processors in the "console" can then be put to use to do things like being a MYTH tv box, a node in a render cluster, a home theater silent media center, etc.
they are DENYING the customers their lawful property. to hide behind "well that's not what we're selling" BS. they spend considerable time and money preventing people from having full access to property they purchase.
it's a smokescreen, a red herring if you will. there are other ways to prevent copyright infringement. because the real issue, like it is with the RIAA and the MPAA is not infringement, that's small potatoes. the real reason is for control and having the leverage for other avenues for extorting money.
like when people have cell phones that they cannot upload and download ringtones, pictures etc without having to ask permission from the provider and paying an extortionist fee. i can see where they can block you if you are renting or leasing a phone but not when you buy it outright.
but as you know, they deceive and defraud customers because they don't mention that these consoles are rented or leased with a one time fee. people, virtually 99.9%, including techies assume incorrectly that it's a sale.
there is no "hack" in the sense the public understands. people are just trying to get back what the manufacturers are denying them. they use the law to screw over people and that makes the situation even worse.
it's not "homebrew", call it arbitrary code execution. execution which is legally owed to you by the manufacturers who go out of their way to deny you.
actually the hardware is very sound from a technical perspective. 3 cpus with 3 altiVEC units and a real next gen video processor (the rsx in the ps3 is based entirely on the current 7 series geforece).
both ps3 and 360 have their pros and cons. overall they're about equal.
and eventually, the revolution might end up a major player, simply due to the fact it's much cheaper to make, therefore selling more units.
now if they'd stop being bitches and let people have full access to the chips, then more people would consider buying them. they may even buy a few games while they're enjoying their new workhorse home entertainment devices.
my hardware is more than fast enough to run vista but it doesn't offer anything compelling to most clued-in users.
it's virtually 90%+ xp with a few tidbits here and there.
as you can guess, i run in the classic environment.
so in effect, unless they start producing games/apps that ONLY run on vista, there isn't even a chance i'll be upgrading. the only upgrade path for windows users is linux anyway. on the same hardware i mean.
i have always enjoyed being able to pick and choose my hardware, from the mb, cpu and up. i can't do that with apple hardware. it's an all or nothing proposition and then i'd have to put my current computer in the closet for 2 reasons, 1 i don't have the physical space for 2 computers and 2 , both computers running at once would cost me a fortune to run in electricity.
i'd rather run osx and windows on one computer but i want to do it on open hardware. and seeing it's not in their business model to open up the system, as users keep reminding me, my only upgrade path is linux.
it isn't easy or economical for people to switch, even for the right reasons.
that's true but you know what "designed for windows vista" logos are for.
all manufacturers are gearing up to produce "vista hardware". even intel's exxxxtreme, which almost shames s3 virge, are being upgraded to full dx9.
yeah, current pcs in the 600 dollar range are lacking in the gfx dept but the other parts are more than enough. plus most computers around now have at least an agp slot which could be fitted with a low end (todays high end) 256M ati/nvidia card.
this is the least expensive windows upgrade in history, relatively speaking in terms of hardware. it's the single most expensive windows "upgrade" in history due to the RIAA/MPAA brand OS being written by MS. buying a new monitor to view "content", what the hell are they thinking?! and let's not even start with Insidious Computing. that goes much farther than just videos. what's the saying... once they get their foot in the door, it's over. (don't quote me on that). every industry is going to want a piece of their computer, eventually. i said their because they'll mandate that your resources belong to them just by virtue of running a product of theirs on it.
no. most usb thumb drives and the like have hideously lower performance than a hard drive. the so called "hi-speed" 40-60x flash memory is approximately 10-15 MB/s which compared to recent hard drives are in the 30-50 MB/s range.
if it's cheap, you can be guaranteed that it's around 7MB/s. this is still faster than 52X cdroms (which never reach 52x in the real world). and 15MB/s is faster than 8x DVDs.
solid state doesn't automatically make it fast or faster. it depends on the characteristics of the device in question. flash is getting faster by the year. and there are even some "dual channel" drives which combine more than one flash chip to increase throughput.
next gen flash memory is rated at 40-60MB/s, which is quite a bit faster than most end-user 5400rpm hard drives and on par with high end disks. of course, you still have the problem of flash being small in storage size. and the biggest devices are no more than 4-8GBs; far too low to be of use in replacing HDs.
still they have their uses. they run cool and take up very little space. these would be perfect for embedded devices and small form factor systems. among many other uses one can conceive of.
because apple charges a hefty premium on macs. the chip architecture they run on is irrelevant in terms of cost to the end user.
they are macs and will be charged a mac price.
video ram is exceedingly cheap if it's not bleeding edge fast. check out some radeon/geforce low end cards that have 256megs of ram. and by low end i don't mean shitty, i mean last years mid range models. you can get this years mid range 256m cards for around 150 bucks or so if you want a little more 3d oomph.
and by late 2006/2007 256MBs video ram will be the dirty cheap super low end version of cards.
and on top of that, vista has 3 different modes for eye candy: the top model requires 256ram and a top notch WGF 1/2.0 card, the medium model requires a dx8 level card (most computers already have or will have at least this) and then there's the windows classic which requires just about nothing.
the hardware requirements shouldn't be a bother to anyone. this isn't 1995 where hardware costs an arm and a leg. you can get a 5-600 dollar computer that can rip vista a new one and add a 200 dollar video card and you can get the best model of eye candy if you're so inclined.
but then again, vista doesnt have much to offer beyond optical sweets. it's XP+. stick with w2k or xp, you'll be better off. i plan on never upgrading, not in the least part due to the system-wide DRM and bullshit monitor upgrading to view HD video.
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and what about people who buy osx at the store? (ppc or soon x86)
are they pirates?
don't they have a right to install that piece of software on any hardware they choose, with the understanding that they won't get support from the vendor under those circumstances?
actually, nothing has changed from the ppc-only mac.
there were lots of non-apple ppc computers but certainly, there was little to no damage done to apple financially. and then the only real protection they had was the "EULA".
frankly, since people keep saying apple is a services company, they will face no threat from non-apple branded hardware running osx. you cannot get the mac "Experience" using unapproved hardware running a broken and hacked osx lacking drivers for most devices.
it's a smokescreen. as the parent said " Sadly this means that I now support any kind of gestapo like tactic that they use to keep the OS locked to their hardware." what has changed? nothing. mac OS has ALWAYS been locked to the hardware. moving to another cpu will absolutely not change that.
and having a few people who want to dick around with osx on their current x86 computer will not even remotely scratch apple's financial situation.
but what it will do is bring more (very little) into the limelight about what software and the supposed "licensing" of it into the mainstream. they will recognize that software can be made to fit into any hardware given enough time and resources, at the expense of the customer's labor not apples or the manufacturer's.
people will question more and more why there are artificial restrictions placed on products they buy. and more and more they will wonder, just when they signed a contract restricting them...
they will wonder amongst other things, why that region 2-5 dvd/blu-ray/hd-dvd disc they bought won't play in their region 1 player. why they are connecting their home entertainment system to the internet to get permission to run their bought music and videos.
it won't be long before even joe 7-1 pack and his wife josephine 2+4 pack will wonder why they have to ask permission to play their music/videos and games. it'll be too late at the legislation level but they still have control of their wallets. then they will begin to look for ways to bring back the commerce of old; in which people owned property that they bought.
apple won't lose financially but they will lose the ever so lucrative "mind share". whether it amounts to anything will have to be left to the reader.
if your business requires you to lock software to hardware and other artificial means... then you better have a plan b. you'll find that people don't respect limits to products they own and copyright grants them the right to use that copy in whatever means the customer sees fit. if you want to limit customers' rights, you'll have to make people sign real contracts... and that won't be as easy and making the public believe that by opening the box that they are under a contract or by clicking a button the screen that they are bound by terms even lawyers think is too draconian.
i lament the coming DRM invasion. but it's only more of the same that we've had since the 80's (aka the crippled floppy decade). only now, it'll be much tougher to work around them to get back the rights we are granted by copyright law and the constitution, not to mention common sense property law.
vote with your dollar and more importantly, vote with your conscience. even if you must buy DRM products, at least give some real thought into what you're owed and what you're giving up.
to abstain from gadgets and shiny things is a real hard thing to do, especially for geeks and nerds. but at least give some consideration to it next time you're licking the interface. the real change begins from within.
it was written in 1998 so that means the FBI were using it for oh, the past 20+ years.
do you think they would divulge their secrets if no one else knew? by 1998, just about every "security" and "intelligence" agency had already surpassed it.
unfortunetly (or fortunetly) you're also the only person to have read the fine article.
sounds like a great idea not to fuck with them then.
maybe they only chant stuff like that because the US tried to inject puppets into their nation.
maybe stop inviting the CIA to overthrow their regime.
or running stories about how their nuclear power plant is a cover for a WMD station. a nation who lied about WMDs in iraq, forged the niger yellow cake "evidence" and can say with a straight face that iraq was connected with 9-11, even after saying otherwise, doesn't deserve to believed about anything.
a nation who has 50 thousand nuclear warheads telling another nation they cannot have weapons, is about as absurd and hypocritical as it gets, especially since it's also the only country that has used 2 nuclear bombs on civilian targets. an act of terrorism by any definition of the word.
and clearly, any country that doesn't have wmd, like iraq, gets invaded. it's about time every nation on earth starts stockpiling wmd.
no, diebold re-elected them.
the presstitutes just told us they won and that other "candidate" didn't even wait for the votes to be counted before giving up.
one of them is economical and the other is not.
that about sums about the differences, at least in amd's lineup.
intel's is like 2 cpus with the power of 1.5 (and that's being generous).
where on earth did you get the idea that "core" meant anything other than "processor"?
it's just two processors on one die (package).
640 thousand functional transistors ought to be enough for anybody.
a pin in the ass in definitely a pain.
since it turned into a teenie bopper soap opera, how do you expect the early ff fans who are grown adults to get into stuff like that.
when it's deserved, yes.
perhaps some new users who happen to stumble onto this site will hear about news that they never would normally hear.
pro-people, anti-corporation.
if they cannot stay in business through ethical behavior, then they will be brought down.
corporations only exist at the plesaure of the public. that they make money is the way they stay in existence. and the way they make that money determines the wrath or lack of from the public.
the public at large has no clue what microsoft is up to or what goes on behind the PR campaigns.
hehe
it always makes me laugh to see fanatic adolescent males say things like that.
the cell was engineered from the ground up for DRM and Insidious Computing.
in fact, it might be that the xbox360 is far easier to hack than the ps3.
in either case, both are DRMed up the wazoo.
and don't forget nintendo. they've been DRMing one way or another since the original nes.
and since business models are of paramount import to the citizens, they have erected laws that guarantee profitability in perpetuity for businesses once they establish a pattern.
oh, we don't have laws like that? oh you say we're not required to care how they keep making money?
oh you say we have "consumer protection" laws?
"their" hardware is sitting in the customer's living room. after having purchased the device in question from a store.
i wonder how they define the word "commerce".
and since it's not a rental or lease but an outright purchase... they don't have any legal legs to stand on. i mean the kind of legality we had before D.C. became lobbyistville.
find another way to prevent copyright infringement of games. if you deny customers their hardware, then infact the manufacturers are the thieves, in the real sense of the word.
it requires more sophisticated hardware analysis tools and perhaps revised algorithmic attack vectors.
clearly, they've changed the way it works enough that previous avenues for revealing the mechanism will not work.
try something totally new.
DRM is the most flawed cryptology around for the simple reason that it must be viewable by all people who purchase it. and because of that, it must be on the hardware and software in possession of the customer.
hardware is a lot tougher to crack than software simply because the tools required are more often than not, not able to be acquired by the hackers.
but the difference here is that your hardware which a "console" (read computer) is, has far more uses than trying to "crack" satellite to get free service.
if you can hack a "console", then the person who bought that device, can have full access to their personal property. that's simply not the way it is with satellite access.
all those processors in the "console" can then be put to use to do things like being a MYTH tv box, a node in a render cluster, a home theater silent media center, etc.
they are DENYING the customers their lawful property. to hide behind "well that's not what we're selling" BS. they spend considerable time and money preventing people from having full access to property they purchase.
it's a smokescreen, a red herring if you will. there are other ways to prevent copyright infringement. because the real issue, like it is with the RIAA and the MPAA is not infringement, that's small potatoes. the real reason is for control and having the leverage for other avenues for extorting money.
like when people have cell phones that they cannot upload and download ringtones, pictures etc without having to ask permission from the provider and paying an extortionist fee. i can see where they can block you if you are renting or leasing a phone but not when you buy it outright.
but as you know, they deceive and defraud customers because they don't mention that these consoles are rented or leased with a one time fee. people, virtually 99.9%, including techies assume incorrectly that it's a sale.
there is no "hack" in the sense the public understands. people are just trying to get back what the manufacturers are denying them. they use the law to screw over people and that makes the situation even worse.
it's not "homebrew", call it arbitrary code execution. execution which is legally owed to you by the manufacturers who go out of their way to deny you.
actually the hardware is very sound from a technical perspective. 3 cpus with 3 altiVEC units and a real next gen video processor (the rsx in the ps3 is based entirely on the current 7 series geforece).
both ps3 and 360 have their pros and cons. overall they're about equal.
and eventually, the revolution might end up a major player, simply due to the fact it's much cheaper to make, therefore selling more units.
now if they'd stop being bitches and let people have full access to the chips, then more people would consider buying them. they may even buy a few games while they're enjoying their new workhorse home entertainment devices.
have you tried GNUSoap?
expect that to go away once they implement more "security" in the next gen models.
for your protection, of course.
and slapping in 256 or 512 megs of cheap sdram would cost them how much more to make the drive?
wouldn't you spend, let's say 50 bucks more to have a huge hard drive with 512MBs of cache?
and no, the memory is nothing special. i even heard people say that it's a very expensive "special" kind of ram... i didn't give them a reply.
" If those numbers were half true, playing an MP3 would make the streetlights dim in time to the music."
now THAT'S a visualization!
eat that jeff minter!
my hardware is more than fast enough to run vista but it doesn't offer anything compelling to most clued-in users.
it's virtually 90%+ xp with a few tidbits here and there.
as you can guess, i run in the classic environment.
so in effect, unless they start producing games/apps that ONLY run on vista, there isn't even a chance i'll be upgrading. the only upgrade path for windows users is linux anyway. on the same hardware i mean.
i have always enjoyed being able to pick and choose my hardware, from the mb, cpu and up. i can't do that with apple hardware. it's an all or nothing proposition and then i'd have to put my current computer in the closet for 2 reasons, 1 i don't have the physical space for 2 computers and 2 , both computers running at once would cost me a fortune to run in electricity.
i'd rather run osx and windows on one computer but i want to do it on open hardware. and seeing it's not in their business model to open up the system, as users keep reminding me, my only upgrade path is linux.
it isn't easy or economical for people to switch, even for the right reasons.
which is a good reason not to buy it.
more over, you'll be helping give DRM and its cohorts an earlier death (hopefully).
maybe if it hurts MS financially... they might become a bit less anti-customer... wishfull thinking but still.
that's true but you know what "designed for windows vista" logos are for.
all manufacturers are gearing up to produce "vista hardware". even intel's exxxxtreme, which almost shames s3 virge, are being upgraded to full dx9.
yeah, current pcs in the 600 dollar range are lacking in the gfx dept but the other parts are more than enough. plus most computers around now have at least an agp slot which could be fitted with a low end (todays high end) 256M ati/nvidia card.
this is the least expensive windows upgrade in history, relatively speaking in terms of hardware. it's the single most expensive windows "upgrade" in history due to the RIAA/MPAA brand OS being written by MS. buying a new monitor to view "content", what the hell are they thinking?! and let's not even start with Insidious Computing. that goes much farther than just videos. what's the saying... once they get their foot in the door, it's over. (don't quote me on that). every industry is going to want a piece of their computer, eventually. i said their because they'll mandate that your resources belong to them just by virtue of running a product of theirs on it.
no. most usb thumb drives and the like have hideously lower performance than a hard drive. the so called "hi-speed" 40-60x flash memory is approximately 10-15 MB/s which compared to recent hard drives are in the 30-50 MB/s range.
if it's cheap, you can be guaranteed that it's around 7MB/s. this is still faster than 52X cdroms (which never reach 52x in the real world). and 15MB/s is faster than 8x DVDs.
solid state doesn't automatically make it fast or faster. it depends on the characteristics of the device in question. flash is getting faster by the year. and there are even some "dual channel" drives which combine more than one flash chip to increase throughput.
next gen flash memory is rated at 40-60MB/s, which
is quite a bit faster than most end-user 5400rpm hard drives and on par with high end disks. of course, you still have the problem of flash being small in storage size. and the biggest devices are no more than 4-8GBs; far too low to be of use in replacing HDs.
still they have their uses. they run cool and take up very little space. these would be perfect for embedded devices and small form factor systems. among many other uses one can conceive of.
actually it wouldn't.
because apple charges a hefty premium on macs. the chip architecture they run on is irrelevant in terms of cost to the end user.
they are macs and will be charged a mac price.
video ram is exceedingly cheap if it's not bleeding edge fast. check out some radeon/geforce low end cards that have 256megs of ram. and by low end i don't mean shitty, i mean last years mid range models. you can get this years mid range 256m cards for around 150 bucks or so if you want a little more 3d oomph.
and by late 2006/2007 256MBs video ram will be the dirty cheap super low end version of cards.
and on top of that, vista has 3 different modes for eye candy: the top model requires 256ram and a top notch WGF 1/2.0 card, the medium model requires a dx8 level card (most computers already have or will have at least this) and then there's the windows classic which requires just about nothing.
the hardware requirements shouldn't be a bother to anyone. this isn't 1995 where hardware costs an arm and a leg. you can get a 5-600 dollar computer that can rip vista a new one and add a 200 dollar video card and you can get the best model of eye candy if you're so inclined.
but then again, vista doesnt have much to offer beyond optical sweets. it's XP+. stick with w2k or xp, you'll be better off. i plan on never upgrading, not in the least part due to the system-wide DRM and bullshit monitor upgrading to view HD video.