I had replied above since all of the responses to my post are: MOVE!!!Eleventy11
The thing is I am not in a position to move, I have a number of ties that I cannot break to move where better opportunities abound. The other main issue I rose was the PA "stay, invent PA" campaign. Not me, but a number of my classmates took advantage of this program which helped pay for some of their college in return for staying for a set number of years and working in PA. They are now hurting because of this and do not have the option to move at all unless they want to be strapped with some nicely sized bills coming their way instantly. We have discussed this a couple times, and honestly I can't decide if the program was a scam to nail college grads for all the funding plus interest to line some politicians pocket or if it was a genuine effort to retain talent.
Beyond the outside factors not allowing me to pull up and move, I truly would like to make a difference and use my skills and talents here in Pittsburgh. I know that sounds pie-in-the-sky, but it is the truth. If everyone turns tail and runs, it will be a ghost town and continue to decline. I wasn't trying to come off as a woe-is-me story and whining about my situation, just stating the facts and how there is some serious issues to be faced in other areas of the country like the 'Burgh. I'd like to see the Pen's stay, I'd like to see this city revitalized, I'd like to remain here and raise my family here, who knows in the end I may have to move but for now I am making an effort to stay. It's my situation and decision and I don't *blame* anyone in this, just wanted to show how bad it could be in other cities.
Ahh, now you've got it! Once you learn to sufficiently lower your standards and be able to suspend reality, Slashdot gets a lot better... in fact it is the only way to tolerate it sometimes. I think of it as a long-running comedy punctuated by occasional informative bits.
Umm, lemme put this in the most PC way possible... fuck that. I could care less about offending people, you know what you are offending me by trying to limit my self-expression. Political correctness and the poor gay-fucks who may be offended by my use of the term can piss off. The sad thing is you actually wrote all that in response to my use of the word gay. Now, *that's* gay.
I don't think I'm alone in saying WTF? I was explaining that if you honestly think the Revo controller is based on 1980's scanline reading technology or some such that you were off your rocker. You made it out to be like the revo controller couldn't work with LCD's or that it *might* not, I was just clearing that up. It is totally not dependant on your TV at all, it is all based around three sensors and the internal sensors in the controller.
This controller is one of those pieces of technology that is best spoken about once you have held it and used it. It is even hard to talk about it with people who work in the gameing industry that haven't used it, the feel and fluidity are not easily written or spoken. I think a lot of people who *think* that they know how crappy or lame it will be are in for a big surprise.
All i was saying is that Nintendo is quite competent enough to make sure the console works on any and all technologies out there today. Just because it isn't pushing massive HD resolutions doesn;t mean it is a big lump of crap relegated to 1980's technology.
Fair enough, and fully agreed... just not everyone's life is so cut and dry that it is possible to pull up stakes and move. If you aren't familiar PA ran a huge campaign called "stay, invent PA" and a lot of people received grants and money to pay for school but in exchange for staying and working in PA once graduated... there are a lot of people in that boat. Not me personally, I have my own reasons that I cannot leave, but there are many that fit the above category and are in bad situations.
Actually a lot of us have used the controller on a modified Gamecube playing Metroid Prime (an FPS) in NYC when Nintendo was demoing the controller. It was as intuitive, fluid, and immersive of an experience as I have ever had. The controller setup takes about 2 minutes to get used to and then it is like a long-lost friend. I had expected it to be a much steeper learning curve, and that is saying something since it was beta hardware running on a modified GC. It can only get better.
I mean, like, it is sooo gay to actually point a gun-like device (and most likely real gun shaped 3-rd party controllers) and shoot shit! What were they thinking::smacks forehead::
Yeah, I'd much rather all control stays 2D and totally detached from direct feedback in the game forever like PC/Xbox/PS# Fuck all this innovation and immersion, I want my piddly little mouse and keyboard or nuthin!!11!Eleventy
People really have a hard time admitting when something is just cooler than what they have or are used to.... Zonk...
Your assumptions about "target painting" are incorrect. The Revo controller will work with all manner of TV, CRT/LCD/Plasma/etc. because it utilizes sensors. This is not some cheesy light gun/scanline technology. In fact when I had the chance to demo the Revo controller it was on an LCD. Nintendo has stated a number of times that they have not shown the sensor system yet because it is not finalized and is to bulky in its current state. It was indeed a largish contraption strapped to the TV, and I have no doubts that Nintendo has made it sleek and unobtrusive and will reveal it when it is complete as they have said all along.
Living near Pittsburgh, PA I can honestly say that tech. is non-existant. The jobs are far and few between, pay terribly, and the number of tech folks looking to grab any job at all (even at large pay cuts) is staggering.
Outsourcing smaller tech depts to consultants and firms set up to do just that is all the rage, which just cripples the market even more. I know this isn't the hub of technology, but when you graduate #2 from Penn State with a 4.0, have 8 years of experience, glowing references, and still have an impossible time finding employment something is wrong.
Wow. How does this get by so many people and then make it to so many outlets? Can that many people be asleep at the wheel at every juncture for drivel like this to get published not once but a multitude of times? Apparently so.
Red Steel has been known to be a full movement FPS for some time now, and if someone with half a brain would look you plainly see the cord going to the nunchaku attachment in use... 3D movement. Aha! Tough one. Not to mention it *clearly states* that it is not on rail in the article... but who has time to read shit before flying off half-cocked and stating Red Steel is the next Duck Hunt.
The Revolution is the first console in 10 years to even make me stop and notice. Something new and different awaits us, and the MS/Sony fanboi's just can't stand to think that maybe, just maybe, the days of cliche, tired, overextended genres may be coming closer to being over. I'm actually upset that the first published game is an FPS, since it is not revolutionary in the least... I will say though that the controller is made for FPS games. The control is intuitive and slick, Metroid Prime was being demoed originally and it was pure heaven to play with the controller. My only actually anticipated sequel would be to Luigi's Mansion, if ever there was a perfect setup for the Revo that is it.
I'm most interested in seeing the truly new and 100% original content, that is where the Revo will begin to steal some thunder. Can we stop jumping to conclusions and trying to diss the Revo until we actually know even slightly substantiated rumors?
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa here! You tryin to get yourself sued or have men in black suits show up at your door?!?
let's get this straight, businesses taking responsibility for their mistakes, paying restitution to the poor bastard who was wronged with a little extra compensation *instead* of paying four times the amount to a lawyer and the guy getting a check for $40 and a free happy meal? Preposterous!!!
Seriously, between this and the paper I read about tying congressional pay raises directly to minimum wage increases it almost seems like Americans are finally waking up and starting to get tired of being walked all over like a doormat. Nah, must just be April Fools.
Seriously, I like to think of myself as a pretty intelligent person, but never have I been in the shower scrubbing my undercarriage and think: "Aha! I could have M13 viruses build tiny batteries!"
Who in the hell comes up with this stuff?!? Honestly, I'd be part in awe and part scared shitless of anyone who's brain functions in that way.
So... lemme get this straight. You would be happy to own a $400+ box that would give you the same thing you can get with on demand/PPV/MTV/VH1? Oh, and with the ability to play the equivalent of free online flash games for $5 a pop.
I'm honestly not trolling or flamebaiting... I just don't get it. It is kind of like the same kind of arguments for the PSP to me.
Japan has no interest in many of the things we think are cutting edge or cool, and likewise for us, I deal with a number of people and friends over there frequently and there is hands down more discussion of Microsofts Japanese "re-launch" here in the U.S. than over there.
Try for a minute to put this in perspective. Let's take something American... a hotdog. and a Japanese company all of a sudden wants to start selling hotdogs in the U.S. and become #1. First-off the well-entrenched brands are going to have a large advantage to begin with just from a brand recognition standpoint alone. So the Japanese company would do something special to gain popularity, and most people would just see it as a gimmick and pay no attention, a few would bite. Out of those few a majority will just go back to their usual favorite in time, and only a small fraction will stick with it. And even then there will be flops like teriaki hotdogs, or bonito hotdogs in attempts to translate local favorites abroad. It isn't some radical sense of nationalism like so many claim, it is just normal consumer behavior.
hehehe, awesome. The sad part is that phishers do all this elaborate bullshit to fake their requests, when I guarantee a plain text email asking nicely for info would net them just as many results.
I know and talk with a number of folks in Japan quite often, and most of them are tied to the videogame industry in one way or another or at least very hardcore gamers... their response...::Cue Crickets::
Blue Dragon is not the great savior MS keeps claiming it is. Public opinion and interest is non-existent. It is too expensive, too large, and offers no real compelling reasons to buy one especially with the force fed "Japanese" games Microsoft paid big bucks to churn out purely to pander to the Japanese. The game has been in development too long, and with too many problems along the way for it to be worthy of relaunching the system based on it. The lines of *three* people in some places will repeat themselves and life will continue.
One of the best stories was from a friend of mine who was being bargained with by a store owner to purchase a 360 at below retail on launch day just so they could move them... he was trying to buy a new video camera.
The other day I sent out an email to everyone in our company warning them of a new phishing scheme with a copy of the email attached. Within 10 minutes I had not one, but TWO replies to me with people's account/password info.
So not only did they miss the entire message, they also couldn't even give their information to the right person. I wanted to just cry... I honestly think phishers deserve some peoples information.
Patent law is so far out of hand it is just a farse at this point. I'm personally glad that people (and people with money and a voice behind it) are finally also getting fed up with it.
That is one of the main things the "Pirate Party" has right, and it is time we start getting this fixed before it is unrepairable.
I mean, the last photo in TFA shows Bill at a horribly sparse, poorly decorated office that would be fitting for an intern. When a fully straight, IT guy actually notices the deficiency in decorating *that* is saying something.
That plant behind him looks to still be in the plastic nursery pot it was bought in. This means one of two things: he just don't give a shit or he only uses the office to have a quick snapshot taken every other month.
For cripes sake, as the richest guy in the universe you'd think it would be a bit more sophisticated and put together than that.
That means all videogames will have the depth and innovation of Hollywood movies and pop music!!! Yay for status quo and big corporations, they enrich our lives in so many ways.
I mean what have independent films, developers, and musicians ever given us that was worth a damn... oh wait...:Rolls Eyes:
And just what have you contributed to this conversation? I spend a large portion of my life on the road, I also have two very close friends who are police officers. Ask a police officer about exactly what I stated sometime and see if I am wrong.
SUV == poor visibility, handling, braking, distractions
Normal passenger vehicle == better visibility, handling, braking, and parents are physically closer to children to help minimize distraction.
How can any sane person argue with that. Yes, an accident that would happen in an SUV could most likely be attributed to one of those above issues and would have been avoided had the same encounter happened in a regular car. There will always be accidents regardless of vehicle type, but the type and frequency of accidents varies by type. How many kids have been accidentally backed over in a 2-door coupe? How many in a large SUV?
How about rollover protection, SUV's are tested on a much less stringent "truck class" scale while cars are held to a higher standard. Suddenly that 4-star rating on the SUV doesn't mean very much in comparison to a car... but advertisers wouldn't have you know that. "best in class" and such statements are accepted as gospel and not investigated farther.
Again, believe what you will... I'm not going to change your mind... but please share with me some insight of your own since you are such an authority that you can dismiss my statements. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Ahh, I love when a third party jumps in and acts as if any part of the post was directed to them in any way. I wasn't speaking to you. I was responding to the AC reply. I'm not going to waste more of my time than I already did including statistics and full disclosure all for a silly AC post. I replied, normal people don't have conversations that involve footnotes, bibliographies, and fully linked charts and diagrams.../. is no different.
I know you think the internet needs to be different and everyhing said on a message board needs at least 7 links to be legit, and then you will just discredit those 7 links with 10 of your own opposing links and then we'll call each other assholes and walk away angry. I'll save all the linking and the name calling and just walk away angry... how's that? KTHXBAI.
Again, I can understand and appreciate where you are coming from but your quote:
"All that low end power that you think is unnecessary is EXACTLY where you need power for moving in traffic and accident avoidance."
Is unfortunately incorrect and a bit inflated. 500ft/lbs. of tourque is not needed to avoid an accident, sure having *some* low-end is a must but let's be honest here. Merging, quick get-up-and-go, etc. is needed but a 6-cyl can produce plenty enough for all situations that would arise on normal roads.
I understand what you are saying, but it is still a bit inflated... I don't want to beat a dead horse or carry this out further as I think we both understand each other. But phasing out v8's is still IMO a good idea.
I don't have much time or respect for AC comments, but I will respond. I'm a centrist with a fairly strong *RIGHT* slant... so that ruins half of your argument right there.
I made it quite clear that my comments are not based on politics at all but my *OWN* brain. I drive a large commute daily with more travel involved in my job, I spend a lot of time on our roadways. SUV's are much too large for many drivers of them, they are bulky, handle poorly, brake poorly, have terrible safety in roll situations since they are classified and tested with the low "truck" criteria, and are bastions of distraction with DVD players, kids seated so far away from the driver that interaction requires complete removal from driving, the propensity for cell phone useage on top of those other factors DOES INDEED MAKE THEM LESS SAFE ON THE ROAD.
Now place that same person in a normal sedan, the overall safety/handling/visibility/braking is much improved right off the bat. The children are closer and easily viewed or dealt with. Also the driver is more "mortal" meaning more care needs to be taken because they are not riding by above 75% of the traffic. I guarantee that a large number of accidents in SUV's would not happen otherwise.
I see them with my own eyes on a daily basis. There are a number of morons and accidents in regular cars, don't get me wrong... but they are of a different type for the most part.
Believe what you will, unless you travel some strange alternate universe roads than the ones I drive on the proof is right before you.
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I had replied above since all of the responses to my post are: MOVE!!!Eleventy11
The thing is I am not in a position to move, I have a number of ties that I cannot break to move where better opportunities abound. The other main issue I rose was the PA "stay, invent PA" campaign. Not me, but a number of my classmates took advantage of this program which helped pay for some of their college in return for staying for a set number of years and working in PA. They are now hurting because of this and do not have the option to move at all unless they want to be strapped with some nicely sized bills coming their way instantly. We have discussed this a couple times, and honestly I can't decide if the program was a scam to nail college grads for all the funding plus interest to line some politicians pocket or if it was a genuine effort to retain talent.
Beyond the outside factors not allowing me to pull up and move, I truly would like to make a difference and use my skills and talents here in Pittsburgh. I know that sounds pie-in-the-sky, but it is the truth. If everyone turns tail and runs, it will be a ghost town and continue to decline. I wasn't trying to come off as a woe-is-me story and whining about my situation, just stating the facts and how there is some serious issues to be faced in other areas of the country like the 'Burgh. I'd like to see the Pen's stay, I'd like to see this city revitalized, I'd like to remain here and raise my family here, who knows in the end I may have to move but for now I am making an effort to stay. It's my situation and decision and I don't *blame* anyone in this, just wanted to show how bad it could be in other cities.
Ahh, now you've got it! Once you learn to sufficiently lower your standards and be able to suspend reality, Slashdot gets a lot better... in fact it is the only way to tolerate it sometimes. I think of it as a long-running comedy punctuated by occasional informative bits.
Umm, lemme put this in the most PC way possible... fuck that. I could care less about offending people, you know what you are offending me by trying to limit my self-expression. Political correctness and the poor gay-fucks who may be offended by my use of the term can piss off. The sad thing is you actually wrote all that in response to my use of the word gay. Now, *that's* gay.
I don't think I'm alone in saying WTF? I was explaining that if you honestly think the Revo controller is based on 1980's scanline reading technology or some such that you were off your rocker. You made it out to be like the revo controller couldn't work with LCD's or that it *might* not, I was just clearing that up. It is totally not dependant on your TV at all, it is all based around three sensors and the internal sensors in the controller.
This controller is one of those pieces of technology that is best spoken about once you have held it and used it. It is even hard to talk about it with people who work in the gameing industry that haven't used it, the feel and fluidity are not easily written or spoken. I think a lot of people who *think* that they know how crappy or lame it will be are in for a big surprise.
All i was saying is that Nintendo is quite competent enough to make sure the console works on any and all technologies out there today. Just because it isn't pushing massive HD resolutions doesn;t mean it is a big lump of crap relegated to 1980's technology.
Fair enough, and fully agreed... just not everyone's life is so cut and dry that it is possible to pull up stakes and move. If you aren't familiar PA ran a huge campaign called "stay, invent PA" and a lot of people received grants and money to pay for school but in exchange for staying and working in PA once graduated... there are a lot of people in that boat. Not me personally, I have my own reasons that I cannot leave, but there are many that fit the above category and are in bad situations.
You must be new here :)
Actually a lot of us have used the controller on a modified Gamecube playing Metroid Prime (an FPS) in NYC when Nintendo was demoing the controller. It was as intuitive, fluid, and immersive of an experience as I have ever had. The controller setup takes about 2 minutes to get used to and then it is like a long-lost friend. I had expected it to be a much steeper learning curve, and that is saying something since it was beta hardware running on a modified GC. It can only get better.
I mean, like, it is sooo gay to actually point a gun-like device (and most likely real gun shaped 3-rd party controllers) and shoot shit! What were they thinking ::smacks forehead::
Yeah, I'd much rather all control stays 2D and totally detached from direct feedback in the game forever like PC/Xbox/PS# Fuck all this innovation and immersion, I want my piddly little mouse and keyboard or nuthin!!11!Eleventy
People really have a hard time admitting when something is just cooler than what they have or are used to.... Zonk...
Your assumptions about "target painting" are incorrect. The Revo controller will work with all manner of TV, CRT/LCD/Plasma/etc. because it utilizes sensors. This is not some cheesy light gun/scanline technology. In fact when I had the chance to demo the Revo controller it was on an LCD. Nintendo has stated a number of times that they have not shown the sensor system yet because it is not finalized and is to bulky in its current state. It was indeed a largish contraption strapped to the TV, and I have no doubts that Nintendo has made it sleek and unobtrusive and will reveal it when it is complete as they have said all along.
Living near Pittsburgh, PA I can honestly say that tech. is non-existant. The jobs are far and few between, pay terribly, and the number of tech folks looking to grab any job at all (even at large pay cuts) is staggering.
Outsourcing smaller tech depts to consultants and firms set up to do just that is all the rage, which just cripples the market even more. I know this isn't the hub of technology, but when you graduate #2 from Penn State with a 4.0, have 8 years of experience, glowing references, and still have an impossible time finding employment something is wrong.
Wow. How does this get by so many people and then make it to so many outlets? Can that many people be asleep at the wheel at every juncture for drivel like this to get published not once but a multitude of times? Apparently so.
Red Steel has been known to be a full movement FPS for some time now, and if someone with half a brain would look you plainly see the cord going to the nunchaku attachment in use... 3D movement. Aha! Tough one. Not to mention it *clearly states* that it is not on rail in the article... but who has time to read shit before flying off half-cocked and stating Red Steel is the next Duck Hunt.
The Revolution is the first console in 10 years to even make me stop and notice. Something new and different awaits us, and the MS/Sony fanboi's just can't stand to think that maybe, just maybe, the days of cliche, tired, overextended genres may be coming closer to being over. I'm actually upset that the first published game is an FPS, since it is not revolutionary in the least... I will say though that the controller is made for FPS games. The control is intuitive and slick, Metroid Prime was being demoed originally and it was pure heaven to play with the controller. My only actually anticipated sequel would be to Luigi's Mansion, if ever there was a perfect setup for the Revo that is it.
I'm most interested in seeing the truly new and 100% original content, that is where the Revo will begin to steal some thunder. Can we stop jumping to conclusions and trying to diss the Revo until we actually know even slightly substantiated rumors?
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa here! You tryin to get yourself sued or have men in black suits show up at your door?!?
let's get this straight, businesses taking responsibility for their mistakes, paying restitution to the poor bastard who was wronged with a little extra compensation *instead* of paying four times the amount to a lawyer and the guy getting a check for $40 and a free happy meal? Preposterous!!!
Seriously, between this and the paper I read about tying congressional pay raises directly to minimum wage increases it almost seems like Americans are finally waking up and starting to get tired of being walked all over like a doormat. Nah, must just be April Fools.
Seriously, I like to think of myself as a pretty intelligent person, but never have I been in the shower scrubbing my undercarriage and think: "Aha! I could have M13 viruses build tiny batteries!"
Who in the hell comes up with this stuff?!? Honestly, I'd be part in awe and part scared shitless of anyone who's brain functions in that way.
So... lemme get this straight. You would be happy to own a $400+ box that would give you the same thing you can get with on demand/PPV/MTV/VH1? Oh, and with the ability to play the equivalent of free online flash games for $5 a pop.
I'm honestly not trolling or flamebaiting... I just don't get it. It is kind of like the same kind of arguments for the PSP to me.
Japan has no interest in many of the things we think are cutting edge or cool, and likewise for us, I deal with a number of people and friends over there frequently and there is hands down more discussion of Microsofts Japanese "re-launch" here in the U.S. than over there.
Try for a minute to put this in perspective. Let's take something American... a hotdog. and a Japanese company all of a sudden wants to start selling hotdogs in the U.S. and become #1. First-off the well-entrenched brands are going to have a large advantage to begin with just from a brand recognition standpoint alone. So the Japanese company would do something special to gain popularity, and most people would just see it as a gimmick and pay no attention, a few would bite. Out of those few a majority will just go back to their usual favorite in time, and only a small fraction will stick with it. And even then there will be flops like teriaki hotdogs, or bonito hotdogs in attempts to translate local favorites abroad. It isn't some radical sense of nationalism like so many claim, it is just normal consumer behavior.
hehehe, awesome. The sad part is that phishers do all this elaborate bullshit to fake their requests, when I guarantee a plain text email asking nicely for info would net them just as many results.
I know and talk with a number of folks in Japan quite often, and most of them are tied to the videogame industry in one way or another or at least very hardcore gamers... their response... ::Cue Crickets::
Blue Dragon is not the great savior MS keeps claiming it is. Public opinion and interest is non-existent. It is too expensive, too large, and offers no real compelling reasons to buy one especially with the force fed "Japanese" games Microsoft paid big bucks to churn out purely to pander to the Japanese. The game has been in development too long, and with too many problems along the way for it to be worthy of relaunching the system based on it. The lines of *three* people in some places will repeat themselves and life will continue.
One of the best stories was from a friend of mine who was being bargained with by a store owner to purchase a 360 at below retail on launch day just so they could move them... he was trying to buy a new video camera.
Good luck with this one MS.
The other day I sent out an email to everyone in our company warning them of a new phishing scheme with a copy of the email attached. Within 10 minutes I had not one, but TWO replies to me with people's account/password info.
So not only did they miss the entire message, they also couldn't even give their information to the right person. I wanted to just cry... I honestly think phishers deserve some peoples information.
Patent law is so far out of hand it is just a farse at this point. I'm personally glad that people (and people with money and a voice behind it) are finally also getting fed up with it.
That is one of the main things the "Pirate Party" has right, and it is time we start getting this fixed before it is unrepairable.
I mean, the last photo in TFA shows Bill at a horribly sparse, poorly decorated office that would be fitting for an intern. When a fully straight, IT guy actually notices the deficiency in decorating *that* is saying something.
That plant behind him looks to still be in the plastic nursery pot it was bought in. This means one of two things: he just don't give a shit or he only uses the office to have a quick snapshot taken every other month.
For cripes sake, as the richest guy in the universe you'd think it would be a bit more sophisticated and put together than that.
That means all videogames will have the depth and innovation of Hollywood movies and pop music!!! Yay for status quo and big corporations, they enrich our lives in so many ways.
:Rolls Eyes:
I mean what have independent films, developers, and musicians ever given us that was worth a damn... oh wait...
Wow, you sure got me beat there. I mean we were obviously discussing trailers, boats, semi's and such... ugh.
500ft/lbs. is around what a vette pushes, that was what we were discussing.
Have a nice day.
And just what have you contributed to this conversation? I spend a large portion of my life on the road, I also have two very close friends who are police officers. Ask a police officer about exactly what I stated sometime and see if I am wrong.
SUV == poor visibility, handling, braking, distractions
Normal passenger vehicle == better visibility, handling, braking, and parents are physically closer to children to help minimize distraction.
How can any sane person argue with that. Yes, an accident that would happen in an SUV could most likely be attributed to one of those above issues and would have been avoided had the same encounter happened in a regular car. There will always be accidents regardless of vehicle type, but the type and frequency of accidents varies by type. How many kids have been accidentally backed over in a 2-door coupe? How many in a large SUV?
How about rollover protection, SUV's are tested on a much less stringent "truck class" scale while cars are held to a higher standard. Suddenly that 4-star rating on the SUV doesn't mean very much in comparison to a car... but advertisers wouldn't have you know that. "best in class" and such statements are accepted as gospel and not investigated farther.
Again, believe what you will... I'm not going to change your mind... but please share with me some insight of your own since you are such an authority that you can dismiss my statements. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Ahh, I love when a third party jumps in and acts as if any part of the post was directed to them in any way. I wasn't speaking to you. I was responding to the AC reply. I'm not going to waste more of my time than I already did including statistics and full disclosure all for a silly AC post. I replied, normal people don't have conversations that involve footnotes, bibliographies, and fully linked charts and diagrams... /. is no different.
I know you think the internet needs to be different and everyhing said on a message board needs at least 7 links to be legit, and then you will just discredit those 7 links with 10 of your own opposing links and then we'll call each other assholes and walk away angry. I'll save all the linking and the name calling and just walk away angry... how's that? KTHXBAI.
Again, I can understand and appreciate where you are coming from but your quote:
"All that low end power that you think is unnecessary is EXACTLY where you need power for moving in traffic and accident avoidance."
Is unfortunately incorrect and a bit inflated. 500ft/lbs. of tourque is not needed to avoid an accident, sure having *some* low-end is a must but let's be honest here. Merging, quick get-up-and-go, etc. is needed but a 6-cyl can produce plenty enough for all situations that would arise on normal roads.
I understand what you are saying, but it is still a bit inflated... I don't want to beat a dead horse or carry this out further as I think we both understand each other. But phasing out v8's is still IMO a good idea.
I don't have much time or respect for AC comments, but I will respond. I'm a centrist with a fairly strong *RIGHT* slant... so that ruins half of your argument right there.
I made it quite clear that my comments are not based on politics at all but my *OWN* brain. I drive a large commute daily with more travel involved in my job, I spend a lot of time on our roadways. SUV's are much too large for many drivers of them, they are bulky, handle poorly, brake poorly, have terrible safety in roll situations since they are classified and tested with the low "truck" criteria, and are bastions of distraction with DVD players, kids seated so far away from the driver that interaction requires complete removal from driving, the propensity for cell phone useage on top of those other factors DOES INDEED MAKE THEM LESS SAFE ON THE ROAD.
Now place that same person in a normal sedan, the overall safety/handling/visibility/braking is much improved right off the bat. The children are closer and easily viewed or dealt with. Also the driver is more "mortal" meaning more care needs to be taken because they are not riding by above 75% of the traffic. I guarantee that a large number of accidents in SUV's would not happen otherwise.
I see them with my own eyes on a daily basis. There are a number of morons and accidents in regular cars, don't get me wrong... but they are of a different type for the most part.
Believe what you will, unless you travel some strange alternate universe roads than the ones I drive on the proof is right before you.