No, you're the one out of your depth. I love how you ignored my points and picked on the fact that Windows 8/RT are not released.
Or you wouldn't characterize Windows as you did, but give Android a free pass on the malware. Android runs on the Linux kernel, so why is it malware infested compared to iOS? Are you going to answer now or beat around the bush like a politician?
>And of course the answer is none, actually they introduced more. But their were plenty of irrational articles claiming it was the anti-Christ, and plenty of the non techy crowd like the person your responding to believed all the FUD
I guess Slashdot is part of the non techy crowd then. There were thousands of +5 INSIGHTFUL comments about the DRM in Vista, so no wonder the OP believes the 'get the facts' FUD campaign by Slashdot against MS. Hell, Slashdot even tried the same tactic against Windows 7.
Reading the comments on that story never fails to crack me up. This site is a running joke for any article about MS. The same 100 comments saying the same negative things about Microsoft and predictable party line moderation, no wonder the site is steadily losing readership.
>But Google doesn't need to provide assistance for purposefully fragmenting Android.
How will allowing Acer to make Android phones along with Aliyun doing that? Will Google pull Nexus 7 from retailers selling Aliyun handsets too to teach them a lesson? We're not talking about Google helping Aliyun or Amazon with the fork here.
>..the Windows environment is akin to... Windows isn't stuck on XP anymore, as Slashdot posters seem to be. How do you explain the malware problem on Android then, there is no Windows code there?
Not to mention the increasing malware problem on OS X. Also, why is there pretty much no malware in iOS? Perhaps there is a bigger problem with user run software than just blaming Microsoft for all the ills in the world? http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/07/the-dancing-bunnies-problem.html
Want to take a guess at the malware infection rate of Windows RT vs. Windows 8?
>Last times I checked the average amount paid by Linux users was higher than Windows for the Humble Bundle
Does it mean that companies can charge $80 on Linux for $60 Windows games?
I hear people pointing to this factoid but it's simply not true at all. Since people on Linux have a limited choice of games, they'd pay more for games supporting Linux.
>Vista: An attempt to coerce consumers into buying into a walled garden
How? Can you elaborate how enabling playing bluray for the fraction of people who wanted to play their discs somehow is an attempt to coerce consumers into a walled garden?
On the plus side, it's easy to update the 7 sins of Windows 7 for Windows 8. The Metro UI makes a pretty good 8th sin, though normal people are not going to care as usual and buy an iPad or iPhone which don't even have a choice of manufacturer to buy from.
Ironically, that is actually the cure for the illness. Sometimes life is counterintuitive.
More ironically, thinking people who just want to get on with their life instead of fiddling with mundane(to them) things are ill and diseased is a sure way to connect with them. I am sure there are car geeks who think anyone who can't take apart a car and put it back is a moron for taking a car to a service center.
MS stole Apple's source code? Or Doublespaces? Or DrDos or DOS? Or IE's? That never stopped the tens of thousands of +5 INSIGHTFUL slashdot posts saying MS was a backstabber.
What Microsoft did was refuse to sell Windows to OEMs
Wrong, Microsoft did not do that. They got into trouble for a similar thing that Google is doing now(though Android is not a monopoly so it's a different legal situation here). Microsoft withheld OEM incentives(which included discounts, advertising money etc.) from the OEMs that didn't toe their line. Google is withholding incentives like early code access(and perhaps will increase the price for or remove access to the Android app store, Google apps on the device which are neither free nor Free). Good luck with competition with the other Android OEMs if that happens, which is why Acer backtracker REAL quick and even canceled a scheduled launch event which companies do only in cases of dire need.
I don't see any difference with the Microsoft situation except these three
1. Android doesn't have a monopoly (although it's 67% marketshare in the market and since Acer can't get a iOS license which is the other 22% of the market, it's effectively a monopoly as far as Acer's options to get any revenue are concerned).
2. Android is "open", so they could probably go the Amazon route, fork Android, get AOSP code super late when competitors have already released devices with the latest and greatest OS and features, build an app store from scratch, get hundreds of thousands of developers to submit apps, develop in house replacements for Google Maps, GMail, Currents, etc. etc. etc. Or maybe try to hook up with Amazon and get access to the store. But again, good luck with competing with Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG, Sony given these constraints.
Anyway this is pretty ironic coming from Google, given the same Andy Rubin's tweet about being open:
Well would you look at that. Earlier today, Apple CEO Steve Jobs went on a bit of a tirade against Google and Android in particular. And you know that couldn’t have made Android chief Andy Rubin too happy. But how was he going to respond? Well, he decided to awaken his dormant Twitter account and send his first tweet tonight. And sure enough, it’s clearly (but subtly) in response to Jobs.
Without further ado, here is Andy Rubin’s first tweet:
the definition of open: “mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make”
For those keeping score at home, that’s Rubin using some geeked-out lingo to explain exactly what open is to Steve Jobs. In other words: Android.
Traditionally speaking, a patent troll was an NPE. I HATE rephrasings of meanings, which lead to the exact same 100 comment threads about the following issues:
1) Open Source vs. open source 2) Free vs. free vs. libre vs. beer vs. freedom 3) Stealing vs. Copyright infringement 4) Patent Troll vs. patent troll
They were held back by the hardware, single cores and display resolution earlier with the WP7 phones, now the hardware is much more competitive, the camera tech is like no other around, and they're pretty much at or near the top in the specs war.
PS: I have nothing to do with first post troll/shill or whatever that is on Slashdot. I have been reading Slashdot since 10 years and posting since atleast 5. In many stories, it appears to be a troll and not shill making the comments(with nicknames like Waggenered Strom and Auntie Wag/Uncle Wag ) for they know 20 comments will follow discussing the troll itself.
>All other Android versions have had source drop before they were available on a device
How long before? Like a couple of days or weeks is enough for the OEMs to release a new device or update their older devices. Google plays favorite with their Nexus OEM. Even Windows betas are available to everyone. Why are there no Android beta versions? Android is less open in this regard.
Why is Apache doing this? Shouldn't it be up to the webmaster and developers whether to ignore IE10's DNT or not?
Why is Apache doing user agent sniffing(a no no usually for even web apps) and overriding web applications by default? The patch doesn't even give a choice to the webmaster to configure Apache to disable this action. So it's being forced on Apache users because of the ego of the DNT spec writer? Lets say IIS turns on DNT for all browsers, how will Mr. Fielding feel then? Apache is being used as a pawn in this power game and this move will help no one. Let the advertisers ignore DNT from IE10 if they want to, why block DNT flag on at the web server level?
You're a FUD peddling ignorant zealot and nothing more. Just because you have an audience on the Slashdot echo chamber doesn't really mean anything in real.
>Miguel has never HELPED the open source community. People just dont' recognize the difference between an open source program that benefits people vs an open source program that creates legal risk
You think Mono is Miguel's only accomplishment or even his signature creation? Go find out about what else he built. I didn't know you were this ignorant about Linux's history.
>My reasons for "hating" MS are based on fact, not opinion
Of course, everyone feels the same way about their own opinions. That means nothing.
I am sick of folks on here who know nothing about what they are talking, reading some Slashdot headlines and summaries of rumors and coming to bullshit conclusions. MS did not kill.NET, they discontinued new versions of Silverlight which was not used very much anyway..NET is still very alive in multiple spaces and well and is a first class citizen in Windows 8 for both Metro and Desktop apps..Please stop with the dumb crap, it's sickening to see otherwise intelligent folks utterly failing and coming across as dumb biased zealot idiots because of literally being frogs in the well.
Maureen was working for Linux Business News or something, were there allegations or any proof that she was paid by MS? Also, Miguel used to work with Novell which had licensing deals with MS and now has his own business selling developer tools for a pretty buck. Again, anything concrete beyond your imagination?
>The fact is you should not trust anything from someone who works with an ethically questionable company that has never changed their strategy in over 20 years.
Agreed that you should take things with a pinch of salt, but in cases like this story where Miguel has a really unique view by the tribute of being heavily involved in the Open Source community, one should *listen* to him, because he's more likely to know the reason for Linux desktop not taking off. By the same metric, perhaps we can ignore you and your fellow commenters' postings on Microsoft and Apple related stories. All have you to offer is snark and hate with no insight since you already are a big MS hater?
Tired of this meme from angry zealots turning on one of their own, someone who did more for Open Source and Linux than you or probably anyone here can ever dream of doing. Blaming him is an easy out instead of facing and trying to fix the fact that the Bazaar model is not the end all and be all of ideal software development in the real world.
Jumping the shark against perceived shills and calling posters PAID SHILLS is a common and regular problem for prolific zealot fans like BMO, oakgrove, ozman etc. It's probably caused by a lack of reading comprehension and analytical skills as exemplified by confusing Groklaw/FOSS Patents/PJ/Florian and being out of their technical depth. You can't make this stuff up. It's hilarious especially after being called a paid shill by BMO multiple times just because I don't subscribe to his Slashdot circlejerk groupthink.
PJ has been extremely anti-Apple and pro-Samsung in this case. You're right that she sided with Apple in the Psystar case though. But that doesn't change the fact about her biases in this particular case. The general rule is that she's pro-FOSS and anti-(anything that threatens FOSS). It's very clear to any neutral observer that she bats for a particular side in any case. That's why I am usually shocked when people believe and claim on here that she provides unbiased coverage. It's just that people feel that way because of their own biases in any case and then shoot down any posts that talk about her bias. Except in this case, it's one Slashdot darling against another(Apple vs PJ) so the comments will be funny to watch (since the usual ganging up of Apple fans against Slashdot Borgs MS/Oracle etc. will be missing in this case). I don't believe that PJ is a paid shill but I doubt anyone can realistically claim she's not biased. If this case was about Apple vs. MS in place of Samsung/Google, you can be sure she'd be taking Apple's side on everything instead of Samsung/MS, even if the facts were exactly the same as they are now.
I agree with what you said, except I have to add to the last paragraph that Groklaw is pretty opinionated and biased in most of their coverage, except that people like you are noticing it this time around because Groklaw's bias is not fitting with yours. If you think they're anti-Apple in this case, you think they haven't been extremely biased all along in Microsoft related cases? But since PJ is the darling of Slashdot while MS is the borg, anyone even hinting bias in Groklaw has been called a paid shilll and shot down and modded down to the depths of hell all along. By the way, I don't believe she's paid to do what she does, but the bias is always there, except this time it is more noticeable to the Apple fans on Slashdot, many of who previously jumped on the anti-MS bandwagon that Groklaw ran and called it the best legal unbiased analysis of tech law issues around. Funny how biases and prejudices work.
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No, you're the one out of your depth. I love how you ignored my points and picked on the fact that Windows 8/RT are not released.
Or you wouldn't characterize Windows as you did, but give Android a free pass on the malware. Android runs on the Linux kernel, so why is it malware infested compared to iOS? Are you going to answer now or beat around the bush like a politician?
Yet, my comment is sitting at -1 Troll. Gotta love Slashdot.
>And of course the answer is none, actually they introduced more. But their were plenty of irrational articles claiming it was the anti-Christ, and plenty of the non techy crowd like the person your responding to believed all the FUD
I guess Slashdot is part of the non techy crowd then. There were thousands of +5 INSIGHTFUL comments about the DRM in Vista, so no wonder the OP believes the 'get the facts' FUD campaign by Slashdot against MS. Hell, Slashdot even tried the same tactic against Windows 7.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/02/16/2259257/draconian-drm-revealed-in-windows-7
Reading the comments on that story never fails to crack me up. This site is a running joke for any article about MS. The same 100 comments saying the same negative things about Microsoft and predictable party line moderation, no wonder the site is steadily losing readership.
>But Google doesn't need to provide assistance for purposefully fragmenting Android.
How will allowing Acer to make Android phones along with Aliyun doing that? Will Google pull Nexus 7 from retailers selling Aliyun handsets too to teach them a lesson?
We're not talking about Google helping Aliyun or Amazon with the fork here.
>..the Windows environment is akin to...
Windows isn't stuck on XP anymore, as Slashdot posters seem to be.
How do you explain the malware problem on Android then, there is no Windows code there?
Google news search for Android malware.
Not to mention the increasing malware problem on OS X. Also, why is there pretty much no malware in iOS?
Perhaps there is a bigger problem with user run software than just blaming Microsoft for all the ills in the world?
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2005/07/the-dancing-bunnies-problem.html
Want to take a guess at the malware infection rate of Windows RT vs. Windows 8?
>Last times I checked the average amount paid by Linux users was higher than Windows for the Humble Bundle
Does it mean that companies can charge $80 on Linux for $60 Windows games?
I hear people pointing to this factoid but it's simply not true at all. Since people on Linux have a limited choice of games, they'd pay more for games supporting Linux.
>Vista: An attempt to coerce consumers into buying into a walled garden
How? Can you elaborate how enabling playing bluray for the fraction of people who wanted to play their discs somehow is an attempt to coerce consumers into a walled garden?
On the plus side, it's easy to update the 7 sins of Windows 7 for Windows 8. The Metro UI makes a pretty good 8th sin, though normal people are not going to care as usual and buy an iPad or iPhone which don't even have a choice of manufacturer to buy from.
Ironically, that is actually the cure for the illness. Sometimes life is counterintuitive.
More ironically, thinking people who just want to get on with their life instead of fiddling with mundane(to them) things are ill and diseased is a sure way to connect with them. I am sure there are car geeks who think anyone who can't take apart a car and put it back is a moron for taking a car to a service center.
MS stole Apple's source code? Or Doublespaces? Or DrDos or DOS? Or IE's? That never stopped the tens of thousands of +5 INSIGHTFUL slashdot posts saying MS was a backstabber.
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/03/googles-eric-schmidt-resigns-from-apple-board-over-conflict-of/
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-20/tech/30301307_1_google-ceo-larry-page-android
What Microsoft did was refuse to sell Windows to OEMs
Wrong, Microsoft did not do that. They got into trouble for a similar thing that Google is doing now(though Android is not a monopoly so it's a different legal situation here). Microsoft withheld OEM incentives(which included discounts, advertising money etc.) from the OEMs that didn't toe their line. Google is withholding incentives like early code access(and perhaps will increase the price for or remove access to the Android app store, Google apps on the device which are neither free nor Free). Good luck with competition with the other Android OEMs if that happens, which is why Acer backtracker REAL quick and even canceled a scheduled launch event which companies do only in cases of dire need.
I don't see any difference with the Microsoft situation except these three
1. Android doesn't have a monopoly (although it's 67% marketshare in the market and since Acer can't get a iOS license which is the other 22% of the market, it's effectively a monopoly as far as Acer's options to get any revenue are concerned).
2. Android is "open", so they could probably go the Amazon route, fork Android, get AOSP code super late when competitors have already released devices with the latest and greatest OS and features, build an app store from scratch, get hundreds of thousands of developers to submit apps, develop in house replacements for Google Maps, GMail, Currents, etc. etc. etc. Or maybe try to hook up with Amazon and get access to the store. But again, good luck with competing with Samsung, HTC, Motorola, LG, Sony given these constraints.
Anyway this is pretty ironic coming from Google, given the same Andy Rubin's tweet about being open:
https://twitter.com/bttp/statuses/27864903610
http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/19/andy-rubin-twitter/
Well would you look at that. Earlier today, Apple CEO Steve Jobs went on a bit of a tirade against Google and Android in particular. And you know that couldn’t have made Android chief Andy Rubin too happy. But how was he going to respond? Well, he decided to awaken his dormant Twitter account and send his first tweet tonight. And sure enough, it’s clearly (but subtly) in response to Jobs.
Without further ado, here is Andy Rubin’s first tweet:
the definition of open: “mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make”
For those keeping score at home, that’s Rubin using some geeked-out lingo to explain exactly what open is to Steve Jobs. In other words: Android.
Traditionally speaking, a patent troll was an NPE. I HATE rephrasings of meanings, which lead to the exact same 100 comment threads about the following issues:
1) Open Source vs. open source
2) Free vs. free vs. libre vs. beer vs. freedom
3) Stealing vs. Copyright infringement
4) Patent Troll vs. patent troll
Surely it's no Apple or Samsung, 7 million phones in two quarters isn't great but nothing too shabby.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/nokia-7-million-lumias-sold-to-date-in-54-countries/
They were held back by the hardware, single cores and display resolution earlier with the WP7 phones, now the hardware is much more competitive, the camera tech is like no other around, and they're pretty much at or near the top in the specs war.
http://www.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/postimages/4213/iPhone%20versus%20MONA4.png
Not to mention things like working with gloves on, which no capacitative touch screen around seems to be able to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0lAi1fVfXl8#t=227s
PS: I have nothing to do with first post troll/shill or whatever that is on Slashdot. I have been reading Slashdot since 10 years and posting since atleast 5. In many stories, it appears to be a troll and not shill making the comments(with nicknames like Waggenered Strom and Auntie Wag/Uncle Wag ) for they know 20 comments will follow discussing the troll itself.
>All other Android versions have had source drop before they were available on a device
How long before? Like a couple of days or weeks is enough for the OEMs to release a new device or update their older devices. Google plays favorite with their Nexus OEM. Even Windows betas are available to everyone. Why are there no Android beta versions? Android is less open in this regard.
Summary incorrectly states that he's the author. He only did some editing, the content was written by the community.
Why is Apache doing this? Shouldn't it be up to the webmaster and developers whether to ignore IE10's DNT or not?
Why is Apache doing user agent sniffing(a no no usually for even web apps) and overriding web applications by default? The patch doesn't even give a choice to the webmaster to configure Apache to disable this action. So it's being forced on Apache users because of the ego of the DNT spec writer? Lets say IIS turns on DNT for all browsers, how will Mr. Fielding feel then? Apache is being used as a pawn in this power game and this move will help no one. Let the advertisers ignore DNT from IE10 if they want to, why block DNT flag on at the web server level?
>Go check the comes documents where they suggest she trolls and she says she would be happy to do so.
Who suggests what? Link?
>My reasons for "hating" MS are based on fact, not opinion
You mean facts like this?
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1768806&cid=33396072
You're a FUD peddling ignorant zealot and nothing more. Just because you have an audience on the Slashdot echo chamber doesn't really mean anything in real.
>Miguel has never HELPED the open source community. People just dont' recognize the difference between an open source program that benefits people vs an open source program that creates legal risk
You think Mono is Miguel's only accomplishment or even his signature creation? Go find out about what else he built. I didn't know you were this ignorant about Linux's history.
>My reasons for "hating" MS are based on fact, not opinion
Of course, everyone feels the same way about their own opinions. That means nothing.
Screen is a IPS with a super bright mode for outdoor use, changed from the AMOLED in the 900.
I am sick of folks on here who know nothing about what they are talking, reading some Slashdot headlines and summaries of rumors and coming to bullshit conclusions. MS did not kill .NET, they discontinued new versions of Silverlight which was not used very much anyway. .NET is still very alive in multiple spaces and well and is a first class citizen in Windows 8 for both Metro and Desktop apps..Please stop with the dumb crap, it's sickening to see otherwise intelligent folks utterly failing and coming across as dumb biased zealot idiots because of literally being frogs in the well.
Maureen was working for Linux Business News or something, were there allegations or any proof that she was paid by MS? Also, Miguel used to work with Novell which had licensing deals with MS and now has his own business selling developer tools for a pretty buck. Again, anything concrete beyond your imagination?
>The fact is you should not trust anything from someone who works with an ethically questionable company that has never changed their strategy in over 20 years.
Agreed that you should take things with a pinch of salt, but in cases like this story where Miguel has a really unique view by the tribute of being heavily involved in the Open Source community, one should *listen* to him, because he's more likely to know the reason for Linux desktop not taking off. By the same metric, perhaps we can ignore you and your fellow commenters' postings on Microsoft and Apple related stories. All have you to offer is snark and hate with no insight since you already are a big MS hater?
Tired of this meme from angry zealots turning on one of their own, someone who did more for Open Source and Linux than you or probably anyone here can ever dream of doing. Blaming him is an easy out instead of facing and trying to fix the fact that the Bazaar model is not the end all and be all of ideal software development in the real world.
Jumping the shark against perceived shills and calling posters PAID SHILLS is a common and regular problem for prolific zealot fans like BMO, oakgrove, ozman etc. It's probably caused by a lack of reading comprehension and analytical skills as exemplified by confusing Groklaw/FOSS Patents/PJ/Florian and being out of their technical depth. You can't make this stuff up. It's hilarious especially after being called a paid shill by BMO multiple times just because I don't subscribe to his Slashdot circlejerk groupthink.
PJ has been extremely anti-Apple and pro-Samsung in this case. You're right that she sided with Apple in the Psystar case though. But that doesn't change the fact about her biases in this particular case. The general rule is that she's pro-FOSS and anti-(anything that threatens FOSS). It's very clear to any neutral observer that she bats for a particular side in any case. That's why I am usually shocked when people believe and claim on here that she provides unbiased coverage. It's just that people feel that way because of their own biases in any case and then shoot down any posts that talk about her bias. Except in this case, it's one Slashdot darling against another(Apple vs PJ) so the comments will be funny to watch (since the usual ganging up of Apple fans against Slashdot Borgs MS/Oracle etc. will be missing in this case). I don't believe that PJ is a paid shill but I doubt anyone can realistically claim she's not biased. If this case was about Apple vs. MS in place of Samsung/Google, you can be sure she'd be taking Apple's side on everything instead of Samsung/MS, even if the facts were exactly the same as they are now.
I agree with what you said, except I have to add to the last paragraph that Groklaw is pretty opinionated and biased in most of their coverage, except that people like you are noticing it this time around because Groklaw's bias is not fitting with yours. If you think they're anti-Apple in this case, you think they haven't been extremely biased all along in Microsoft related cases? But since PJ is the darling of Slashdot while MS is the borg, anyone even hinting bias in Groklaw has been called a paid shilll and shot down and modded down to the depths of hell all along. By the way, I don't believe she's paid to do what she does, but the bias is always there, except this time it is more noticeable to the Apple fans on Slashdot, many of who previously jumped on the anti-MS bandwagon that Groklaw ran and called it the best legal unbiased analysis of tech law issues around. Funny how biases and prejudices work.