The only thing standing in the way is the current monopoly on ip addresses and the crappiness of the average OS. If every person could have their home computer running as a server all of this would be different. All we need is static IPs assigned to everyone with a broadband connection (not fricking www.IBLOWCHUNKS.com crap, IP addresses, yes they are in fact easier to remember and understand than PHONE NUMBERS!!!!). I cannot begin to count the number of times others who do not know what they are doing have envied my ability to serve them pictures, my own pages, whatever. When that happens, everybody will want a 2 processor dual core 4 gb ram dell box. You would think the computer companies could figure this out on their own. Oh the implications....
The really ironic bit is that Bill Gates POS operating system is the major obstical (right behind the phone companies) for this. The next really big move in computers will be a truly open internet and everyone running OS X, Linux, BSD, or Solaris. When that happens, everything will change.
You're trying to woo customers with free hardware. How do you make them paying customers? You haven't monetized Java proportional to what's out there.
JShwartz:
That's a misnomer. Largely an American misnomer. Nearing 1 billion Java handsets.
Forbes:
So what's your Java revenue?
JS:
Close to $13 billion.
F:
That's not money in Sun's pocket, though.
JS:
It's like asking a company that produces generators how much of their demand comes from people using electricity. It's 100 percent.
F:
But it's about how many customers are paying you for the privilege of using Java.
S:
And I'll point out that a billion handsets fuels an enormous market in the telecommunications industry. Java running on Sun's Java Enterprise system, whether it's at American Express or General Electric or Vodafone, is fueling Sun's overall revenue. Asking us how much money we make on Java is like asking Verizon Communications how much money they make on handsets. The fact is that they lose a fortune on handsets, but they make a fortune in subscribers.
F:
So are you going to convert Java users to subscription service for Sun?
S:
Partially, we're already doing that. American Express runs on the Java Enterprise system. That's per employee subscription for core middleware for Sun. My broader point is that Java ensures Sun has access to an open market. Java allows us to reach out to customers who don't run on Sun hardware and ensure we can serve them wherever they may be--whether it's on a Dell box or HP box or in an IBM customer base.
Again, it's hard to explain to people. Here's an analogy. With the advent of electricity, Thomas Edison tried to patent a lightbulb so that you would have to use his lightbulbs if you used his dynamo. That strategy obviously failed. And what emerged was the standard plug. Asking Sun the value of Java is like asking GE--which is, I think, the largest manufacturer of power turbines in the world--what the value of the standard plug is. It ensures they can serve a global marketplace. So if you asked them what's the value of the plug, how would they respond?
Here are some stats on Java: There are more than 1 billion Java cards in the marketplace, securing everything from set-top boxes to handsets. There are more than a billion Java handsets, all driving demand for network infrastructure. There are nearly 1,000 members of the Java community process, who collectively contribute to the standard called "Java." It is the default standard for set-top boxes in Brazil. So what will the infrastructure opportunity be in Brazil to serve 100 million Java-enabled set-top boxes? I promise you it will be enormous, and Sun will be among many participants that can serve that demand.
I have heard the 60 was quiet, but the sb1000 is not (even though it is built like a tank). I would use sunrays (i have a stack of them) but I live in a small apartment with a wife and she has much to say about the asthetics...
And I personally set up and have used sunrays running on fedora with crossover office for endnote, office, and dreamweaver. With the SGD bit, now it appears that the windows barrier no longer exists.
Of course now I just use vi, perl, and have a dual processor sparc box under my desk running solaris 10 with windows 2000 running on a sunpci card. The only reason I wouldnt want solaris closer to my desktop is the fan noise.
"many climatologists are just scientific hacks afraid to go against the politically charged demagoguery of the global warming doomsayers"
Case in point.
I would never refer to a fellow biologist as a scientific (or unscientific?) hack unless I were quite familiar with the field they are working in or discussing and have read their publications. Now if you have a biochemist (example would be the guy at Lehigh) making strong statements about modern evolutionary theory I feel that I may be able to offer a more reasonable opinion on the matter as he is not an evolutionary biologist. Now, if he told me that there are infact several forms of ethanol, some tasting better than others, I would have to defer, as that is not my field (even though I may know how simple the structure is). However, I would ask to see peer reviewed research on the subject of course, just for my own knowledge. I would not go on CNN refuting him though, that would be the job for another biochemist, preferable one who is well respected by other biochemists and who is intimately familiar with the molecule or others like it.
Not to be a terrible fanboy but...
I have never bought more than some media and just recently a keyboard from sun (directly) and have had wonderful service. I received an email this morning from a human asking me to verify whether my address was business or not, and when I sent in an email to ask about a sunpci card I received a phone call the very next day from a very nice and helpful sales rep. Now you are looking at sales of 30 and 50 dollars. I received far better service from Sun than any other computer company I have bought from. Perhaps they are trying to make sure this old bad service rap changes. In the future I know that when I have my own lab, I will be running all sun and that is partially due to the service I have received on such small and silly things.... That will probably mean 4 blade servers, 2 sparc, 2 amd, 8 sunray 2s, keyboards... ultra 45 for my desk...... mmmmm droooool.....
I dont know... I was able to play with a brand new 1500 a couple of weeks ago, and let me just tell you how much happier I am now with my old blade 1000 (dual 750sparcIII). My 80 pound sb1k is worth every penny and built like a tank (course I bought it used on ebay for 700 dollars). I am glad that the 1500 is or almost eol, and the new ultra's are cheaper and really nice. I think they are doing the right thing, keep em high quality. Keep em fantastically designed, and I will just ignore they ever built the 1500 series. Dont get me wrong, they were/are better built than any pc I have seen, but they were not up to the quality I expect from Sun. Of course my other sun was an e450 that cost nearly 90,000 dollars back in the bubble.
Sun is getting cheaper though. I just bought a system 7 keyboard and mouse for 50 bucks, and the new ultras sans sparc can be downright inexpensive.
Sadly, in the U.S. people believe that since they can hold any view they like, that view deserves equal weight and respect to others views. For example, a moron slashdot reader with a bend to the right believes whatever he decides to post should be held in equal respect as that published by a highly respected climatologist. Or his view on the ethical basis of some political decision is just as 'right' as that of a faculty member at the Kennedy School of Government that has been spending a lifetime researching the issue and discussing it with other people who have spent like amounts of time and brain power on it. George Bush and his cronies are a wonderful example of this in their constant refrain "we are taking all views on this into account".
I call BS. I do not comment on global warming because I am not up to date on the research in that field. Just because a possible view exists does not lend it any weight in either the philosophical or scientific realms. I do not tell my mechanic things like "Well yeah, you say it is a blown head gasket, but I dont think so. I think it is the blinker fluid."
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Actually it is sad that this is so surprising. Sun is the only company outside of Apple that I can think of that contributes so much to 'computers' in general (hardware, software, and pure research). Check this out! I was going to submit it to Slashdot, but they never listen to me.
To log in just click log in no username or password.
https://sgddemo.sun.com/sgd/
For information on what you are doing go here...
view this
http://webcast-east.sun.com/ramgen/archives/VIP-21 85/VIP-2185_01_300.rm
or read this
http://www.sun.com/software/sdis/
FTFA== "One of the big dangers in our community is that people start putting non-free software into the system and they call it bonus. They say it is a nice addition, it gives more features. Yes it gives you more features at the cost of your freedom. When these things are distributed separately, they call it value added packages. And that term makes it stick about your values. It says it values your convenience only, don't value your freedom. So I prefer to call them freedom subtracted packages. That makes a statement about my values."
What a fruit loop. Somebody needs to just hide in the basement and stop bothering people. I am just waiting for him to say "worst episode ever" whenever I see a picture of him.
The real future of mobile computing without worry for battery power is the laptop equivalent of a sunray. All the damn thing should have is a wireless card a 100mhz processor, a kick butt video card, and everything else should be on a big ass server in some airconditioned room somewhere. I imagine an apple newton looking thing.... or a compaq m300 without half the stuffing. Hauling a harddrive around is just asking for data loss and suffering. Particularly if the harddrive cost you 1000 dollars. When was the last time you brought your laptop somewhere that did not have wireless/wire? Excluding games and coach airplane rides.
This could be great, if china closes itself off from the rest of the net, my firewalls will give an audible sigh of relief. Now only if eastern europe would follow suit.
That's just it. It should not be hard to get this kind of a connection in 2006. Also, your assuming that the company was going to do this halfass like before. Suppose they decided that setting up a t1 at the 'place of backup' was worth the expense? After this mess up I bet they may reconsider.
I am sure Sun had massive computer power just laying around, they probably realized they could leverage it as a commodity while investing nothing but RandD they were going to do anyway.
If MS and Google and all plan on huge ajax like projects, sun may very well have something in the future.:"who needs more than 64kb anyway!"
Just get all of the old commodore 64 games on the phone and you would make a ton of cash. M.U.L.E. for starters. Archon, Ultima, hell they are still better than most modern games.
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The only thing standing in the way is the current monopoly on ip addresses and the crappiness of the average OS. If every person could have their home computer running as a server all of this would be different. All we need is static IPs assigned to everyone with a broadband connection (not fricking www.IBLOWCHUNKS.com crap, IP addresses, yes they are in fact easier to remember and understand than PHONE NUMBERS!!!!). I cannot begin to count the number of times others who do not know what they are doing have envied my ability to serve them pictures, my own pages, whatever. When that happens, everybody will want a 2 processor dual core 4 gb ram dell box. You would think the computer companies could figure this out on their own. Oh the implications.... The really ironic bit is that Bill Gates POS operating system is the major obstical (right behind the phone companies) for this. The next really big move in computers will be a truly open internet and everyone running OS X, Linux, BSD, or Solaris. When that happens, everything will change.
Odd analogy, but I guess it kind of makes a little sense maybe... http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/04/sun-microsystems- schwartz-cz_ec_0504schwartz.html?partner=yahootix
In shwartz's words...
Forbes:
You're trying to woo customers with free hardware. How do you make them paying customers? You haven't monetized Java proportional to what's out there.
JShwartz:
That's a misnomer. Largely an American misnomer. Nearing 1 billion Java handsets.
Forbes:
So what's your Java revenue?
JS:
Close to $13 billion.
F:
That's not money in Sun's pocket, though.
JS:
It's like asking a company that produces generators how much of their demand comes from people using electricity. It's 100 percent.
F:
But it's about how many customers are paying you for the privilege of using Java.
S:
And I'll point out that a billion handsets fuels an enormous market in the telecommunications industry. Java running on Sun's Java Enterprise system, whether it's at American Express or General Electric or Vodafone, is fueling Sun's overall revenue. Asking us how much money we make on Java is like asking Verizon Communications how much money they make on handsets. The fact is that they lose a fortune on handsets, but they make a fortune in subscribers.
F:
So are you going to convert Java users to subscription service for Sun?
S:
Partially, we're already doing that. American Express runs on the Java Enterprise system. That's per employee subscription for core middleware for Sun. My broader point is that Java ensures Sun has access to an open market. Java allows us to reach out to customers who don't run on Sun hardware and ensure we can serve them wherever they may be--whether it's on a Dell box or HP box or in an IBM customer base.
Again, it's hard to explain to people. Here's an analogy. With the advent of electricity, Thomas Edison tried to patent a lightbulb so that you would have to use his lightbulbs if you used his dynamo. That strategy obviously failed. And what emerged was the standard plug. Asking Sun the value of Java is like asking GE--which is, I think, the largest manufacturer of power turbines in the world--what the value of the standard plug is. It ensures they can serve a global marketplace. So if you asked them what's the value of the plug, how would they respond?
Here are some stats on Java: There are more than 1 billion Java cards in the marketplace, securing everything from set-top boxes to handsets. There are more than a billion Java handsets, all driving demand for network infrastructure. There are nearly 1,000 members of the Java community process, who collectively contribute to the standard called "Java." It is the default standard for set-top boxes in Brazil. So what will the infrastructure opportunity be in Brazil to serve 100 million Java-enabled set-top boxes? I promise you it will be enormous, and Sun will be among many participants that can serve that demand.
Businessweek http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_ 19/b3983043.htm
and this guy had a bit in forbes...
http://www.forbes.com/2006/04/27/sun-mcneely-mcvoy -cx_lmcv_0426mcvoy.html?partner=yahootix
but I am sorry, I am sure 'Maximum Linux' has a much better op ed describing the situation.
I have heard the 60 was quiet, but the sb1000 is not (even though it is built like a tank). I would use sunrays (i have a stack of them) but I live in a small apartment with a wife and she has much to say about the asthetics...
No, Minnesota is to blame for that. So, how bout a little lunch?
And I personally set up and have used sunrays running on fedora with crossover office for endnote, office, and dreamweaver. With the SGD bit, now it appears that the windows barrier no longer exists. Of course now I just use vi, perl, and have a dual processor sparc box under my desk running solaris 10 with windows 2000 running on a sunpci card. The only reason I wouldnt want solaris closer to my desktop is the fan noise.
"many climatologists are just scientific hacks afraid to go against the politically charged demagoguery of the global warming doomsayers" Case in point. I would never refer to a fellow biologist as a scientific (or unscientific?) hack unless I were quite familiar with the field they are working in or discussing and have read their publications. Now if you have a biochemist (example would be the guy at Lehigh) making strong statements about modern evolutionary theory I feel that I may be able to offer a more reasonable opinion on the matter as he is not an evolutionary biologist. Now, if he told me that there are infact several forms of ethanol, some tasting better than others, I would have to defer, as that is not my field (even though I may know how simple the structure is). However, I would ask to see peer reviewed research on the subject of course, just for my own knowledge. I would not go on CNN refuting him though, that would be the job for another biochemist, preferable one who is well respected by other biochemists and who is intimately familiar with the molecule or others like it.
Not to be a terrible fanboy but... I have never bought more than some media and just recently a keyboard from sun (directly) and have had wonderful service. I received an email this morning from a human asking me to verify whether my address was business or not, and when I sent in an email to ask about a sunpci card I received a phone call the very next day from a very nice and helpful sales rep. Now you are looking at sales of 30 and 50 dollars. I received far better service from Sun than any other computer company I have bought from. Perhaps they are trying to make sure this old bad service rap changes. In the future I know that when I have my own lab, I will be running all sun and that is partially due to the service I have received on such small and silly things.... That will probably mean 4 blade servers, 2 sparc, 2 amd, 8 sunray 2s, keyboards... ultra 45 for my desk...... mmmmm droooool.....
I dont know... I was able to play with a brand new 1500 a couple of weeks ago, and let me just tell you how much happier I am now with my old blade 1000 (dual 750sparcIII). My 80 pound sb1k is worth every penny and built like a tank (course I bought it used on ebay for 700 dollars). I am glad that the 1500 is or almost eol, and the new ultra's are cheaper and really nice. I think they are doing the right thing, keep em high quality. Keep em fantastically designed, and I will just ignore they ever built the 1500 series. Dont get me wrong, they were/are better built than any pc I have seen, but they were not up to the quality I expect from Sun. Of course my other sun was an e450 that cost nearly 90,000 dollars back in the bubble. Sun is getting cheaper though. I just bought a system 7 keyboard and mouse for 50 bucks, and the new ultras sans sparc can be downright inexpensive.
Sadly, in the U.S. people believe that since they can hold any view they like, that view deserves equal weight and respect to others views. For example, a moron slashdot reader with a bend to the right believes whatever he decides to post should be held in equal respect as that published by a highly respected climatologist. Or his view on the ethical basis of some political decision is just as 'right' as that of a faculty member at the Kennedy School of Government that has been spending a lifetime researching the issue and discussing it with other people who have spent like amounts of time and brain power on it. George Bush and his cronies are a wonderful example of this in their constant refrain "we are taking all views on this into account". I call BS. I do not comment on global warming because I am not up to date on the research in that field. Just because a possible view exists does not lend it any weight in either the philosophical or scientific realms. I do not tell my mechanic things like "Well yeah, you say it is a blown head gasket, but I dont think so. I think it is the blinker fluid."
Actually it is sad that this is so surprising. Sun is the only company outside of Apple that I can think of that contributes so much to 'computers' in general (hardware, software, and pure research). Check this out! I was going to submit it to Slashdot, but they never listen to me. To log in just click log in no username or password. https://sgddemo.sun.com/sgd/ For information on what you are doing go here... view this http://webcast-east.sun.com/ramgen/archives/VIP-21 85/VIP-2185_01_300.rm
or read this
http://www.sun.com/software/sdis/
I just don't understand where the anymosity comes from. It's not like sun is out there doing violence to the OSS community or anything.
FTFA== "One of the big dangers in our community is that people start putting non-free software into the system and they call it bonus. They say it is a nice addition, it gives more features. Yes it gives you more features at the cost of your freedom. When these things are distributed separately, they call it value added packages. And that term makes it stick about your values. It says it values your convenience only, don't value your freedom. So I prefer to call them freedom subtracted packages. That makes a statement about my values." What a fruit loop. Somebody needs to just hide in the basement and stop bothering people. I am just waiting for him to say "worst episode ever" whenever I see a picture of him.
Doh! But that link is dead, we killed centos/s news board. Send them a link to the register article as well.
The real future of mobile computing without worry for battery power is the laptop equivalent of a sunray. All the damn thing should have is a wireless card a 100mhz processor, a kick butt video card, and everything else should be on a big ass server in some airconditioned room somewhere. I imagine an apple newton looking thing.... or a compaq m300 without half the stuffing. Hauling a harddrive around is just asking for data loss and suffering. Particularly if the harddrive cost you 1000 dollars. When was the last time you brought your laptop somewhere that did not have wireless/wire? Excluding games and coach airplane rides.
This could be great, if china closes itself off from the rest of the net, my firewalls will give an audible sigh of relief. Now only if eastern europe would follow suit.
That's just it. It should not be hard to get this kind of a connection in 2006. Also, your assuming that the company was going to do this halfass like before. Suppose they decided that setting up a t1 at the 'place of backup' was worth the expense? After this mess up I bet they may reconsider.
Why couldnt he just scp the crap to his home computer and tape it there? Seems rather simple to me. Oh wait! maybe thats not secure enough....
Always, always remember to flush.
Talk and write, never should have left them. No bots, no spam, all text, all the time....
My grandfather started having eye problems around 90 so I bought him a used 21 inch ergo 1600 monitor. Set it to 800x600 and now he is a happy camper.
I am sure Sun had massive computer power just laying around, they probably realized they could leverage it as a commodity while investing nothing but RandD they were going to do anyway. If MS and Google and all plan on huge ajax like projects, sun may very well have something in the future. :"who needs more than 64kb anyway!"
Just get all of the old commodore 64 games on the phone and you would make a ton of cash. M.U.L.E. for starters. Archon, Ultima, hell they are still better than most modern games.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089869/ Hmm...
Is there a free way to do it with a windows machine?