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Splashpower Boasts Wireless Power

Sullivan writes "Maccentral is running a story on a startup called Splashpower that hopes to be able to wirelessly recharge all of our handheld devices. They have a working prototype that already recharges an iPod Mini and a cell phone. Now we can look forward to yet another way to get brain cancer."

246 comments

  1. but what about lost efficiencies? by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think this is a very cool device and have often wondered why more devices haven't come with wireless re-chargability (think electric toothbrushes). But I wonder about the efficiency of this method. Is it? And if it's not, how less efficient is it than direct contact recharging? As more and more gadgets and devices become rechargable technology this would seem to be more important. I don't know much about electronics at the engineering level, so any erudite replies would be appreciated.

    1. Re:but what about lost efficiencies? by utnow · · Score: 1

      My concern has always been about the data on the devices that we're charging. I know the toothbrush chargers do it via induction, which involves a magnetic field near (in the case of the iPod at least) a harddrive. I'm sure this could be designed in such a way so as to not be a problem (and just think how cool the iPod would look without the slot in the bottom) but it just seems that placing my magnetically stored data directly into a electro/magnetic field is simply a bad idea...

      Then again we have shielded speakers and the like...

    2. Re:but what about lost efficiencies? by nbert · · Score: 1

      yes, it sounds like a good concept, but IMHO there are other issues to deal with beforehand. For example it really bugs me that every device I buy comes with a different charging unit with a different plug. The average non tech-savy person might have 10 of them at home - people like me rather tend to have a freaking pool and they are extremely inconvenient and they waste a lot of power as well. Does anyone of you really believe that charging by induction will be any different? Another problem: Those devices waste a lot more than conventional charging units. Is this really the right way to go an era of rising energy prices?

  2. Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by cyberworm · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is probably how Tesla would have charged his iPod.

    1. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, Tesla wanted to be able to pull power at long range. The splash pad is just a two part transformer (the pad is one coil, and the clip-on adapter is the second coil). So, it turns the electricity from the wall into magnetic pulses which are then turned back into electricity (it's not very efficient, but who needs efficiency when you're being encouraged to be lazy anyways?).

    2. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by hazee · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, except Tesla would have used a couple of million volts, giving rise to massive bloody great bursts of lightning that have a nasty habbit of electrocuting passing cattle, and whose cracks of thunder *really* annoy the villagers ten miles down the valley...

    3. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 1

      You forget the civilians and enemy troops, damn Tanya keeps trying to blow them up.

    4. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by pizen · · Score: 1

      Nice C&C reference.

    5. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by cyberworm · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert about Tesla, though I just read an interesting book about him, and the impression I got was that he was working on a less violent method of wireless transmission of electricity using induction similar to this but on a larger scale. I could be wrong, but would love to know more about this, if you have any information to share or pointers to resources for reading about.

      BTW the book is entitled "Tesla : Man out of Time" ISBN 0-88029-419-1 if anyone else is interested.

    6. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by Natchswing · · Score: 1

      Margaret's book has been an eyesore to Tesla for quite some time. It's widely considered one of the least accurate books about Tesla and his work.

    7. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by aklix · · Score: 1

      Well how hard is it to just plug in the cable charger from there? You already pulled the device out of your pocket, walked to the charger pad, and placed it where it will rest. It only removes the easiest step that wired charging had, pluging it in. It's not like we can rest the device on the nearest table and forget about it.

    8. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course, then you're back to having a separate charger for each device. The main idea here is to do away with a plethora of adaptors, cables, and bricks.

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    9. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by cyberworm · · Score: 1

      could you reccommend some other books that might be better?

      Thanks
      Rick

    10. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by name773 · · Score: 1

      you still need the adaptor that goes into the device itself to allow the device to recharge from the pad.

      the problem with only having one adaptor for everything is that many things use different voltages (and have differing current requirements, but you could just overbuild it for that)

    11. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by Natchswing · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately all my books are packed right now so I can't give you a good listing. I remember "Wizard: The Life and Times of Nikola Tesla" being a much better book.

    12. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by jtangen · · Score: 1

      Actually, he squandered his at one time vast fortune trying to *broadcast* power; that is, electronic devices would simply draw their power from the air; hence, no batteries needed, either!

    13. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Ummm... no. You want cell phones, iPods, and so on with the internal recharging coils designed in from the start, so there ARE no adaptors. No holes in the case. No exposed contacts to short out.

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    14. Re:Did they get ahold of Tesla's research? by name773 · · Score: 1

      oh that would be neat

      i was thinking of this as kind of an add-on for current devices

  3. fashion news... by rd4tech · · Score: 2, Funny

    the tinfoil hat

  4. That's not new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My electric toothbrush has done this for years.

  5. Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by HaeMaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Gee, "pick up the cord, plug it in" or "set on pad". Not really worth $250 to me.

    1. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by s7uar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but once (if) it gets built into phones, if you're away on a business trip and forget your cellphone charger you'll be glad the hotel provided a pad in your room.

    2. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by cloudmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot "clean all of the lint and crud out of the charging port" and "wiggle phone around so the contacts make good contact rather than just barely missing" in your description of the old method. You also may have forgotton "make sure that cord is at such an angle so as to facilitate minimal breakage after grabbbing and walking away without remembering to unplug it in the morning". :)

    3. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Sepodati · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with you to a point, but you forgot that you need the 5 cords for the 5 devices you have, with each one plugged into an outlet. So it would be convienent if you could just sit any of your devices on this and have them recharging. I mean, you set them somewhere, anyhow. Why not have them recharging each time you do so?

      ---John Holmes...

    4. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Considering how many wall and car chargers I've had fall appart or accidently broken $200 for an item that will charge any portable that I leave setting on it doesn't sound to bad. Come home and dump all your stuff off on a desk no plugs to fool with.

      Considering it is being billed as a near universal device this is doublely attractive for use at home or work since it seems that everyone needs 4-5 different chargers for the various devices so the whole walking around "do you have a Nextel charger (someone stole my work one)?" becomes a thing of the past.

    5. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I agree with you to a point, but you forgot that you need the 5 cords for the 5 devices you have, with each one plugged into an outlet."
      You are assuming that one pad will charge every device. It would be very possible to make a "standard" DC port for every device. Chargers would be universal and easy to use. Heck USB is very close right now.
      The problem is none of the companies want it. They all make good money off of selling extra chargers.

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    6. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Sepodati · · Score: 1

      You are assuming that one pad will charge every device. It would be very possible to make a "standard" DC port for every device.

      Isn't "charge every device" the whole idea? That's certainly what the company producing these is after, I'm sure. And yeah, you can make a standard DC port, but it's still one wall plug and one device per cord. Or you come up with a way to split the cords and plug them all in?

      Either way, you're getting the company producing the gadgets to agree on something. Either they accept a standard DC port or incorporate a coil. The companies could maybe make just as much money selling these things as they do the extra chargers... who knows.

      ---John Holmes...

    7. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You're obviously not as lazy as I am!

    8. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Neoprofin · · Score: 1

      You forgot "Move pile of crap off charging pad." Except that that's probably more likely for a lot of people as they have decently functional phones that they don't have to toy with.

    9. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by ZoneGray · · Score: 1

      I predict that somewhere, someday, some idiot will market a charging pad that requires a power brick.

    10. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by ottothecow · · Score: 1

      And, if it works how I think it does, it would already be universal since the voltage conversion is handled by the coil and circuitry in the device to be charged and is only being supplied an alternating current to make the magnetic fields induce current.

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    11. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      I suspect the lack of a DC standard has more to do with the lack of benefit, not necessarily the income from selling chargers. If you're the manufacturer of a DC-powered device today, you've already come to terms with the fact that you'll need to bundle an AC adapter with it. That's already going to be part of your cost. Since the selection of a DC voltage for your adapter impacts the ultimate cost of the adapter very little, the design of your device therefore drives the selection of a DC voltage. If you can build your device cheapest using 9VDC, then that's what your adapter should provide.

      On the other hand, if there were a DC standard in place that would allow manufacturers to AVOID having to provide an adapter, suddenly it becomes cheaper for them to consider building their device to this standard, as opposed to bundling an adapter. They may be able to build the device cheapest at 9VDC, but they can make it work with the standard for only a little more (but still less than the cost of an adapter). The economics make that situation more desirable for everyone.

      What's missing is (a) the standard, and (b) the infrastructure, either in the form of power outlets in the wall (or inductive devices like this on your desk) and/or multi-port adapters optimized for that standard DC voltage.

    12. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by AdamWeeden · · Score: 1

      No, but once (if) it gets built into phones

      I think that's a big IF. Most cell phone companies charge a decent amount (20-25$) for replacement chargers, when the cost is probably only a few bucks. I doubt they'll give that up willingly.

      --
      I was quoted out of context in my autobiography...
    13. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by CaseyB · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're that guy from the TV commercials, aren't you? You know, the guy for whom straining spaghetti or wiping off a table or opening a jar are so incredibly difficult and frustrating that you have to swipe all your existing products off a tabletop with both hands and buy some special device to do it for you.

    14. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by rjstegbauer · · Score: 1

      But then why not just throw the charging pad on a charging pad?

      Nevermind!

      Randy -- neverdidlikerecursion

    15. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by cloudmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, but I am the guy who carries his cell phone in a pocket of jeans or coveralls, where the charging socket gets filled pu with lint and dust. Then again, I did buy a Eurosealer at Walgreens (mostly for humor value), and my tabletop could definitely use a sweeping-off-with-both-hands... :)

    16. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by amliebsch · · Score: 1
      What's missing is (a) the standard, and (b) the infrastructure, either in the form of power outlets in the wall (or inductive devices like this on your desk) and/or multi-port adapters optimized for that standard DC voltage.

      You can sort of hack such a system together, using Radio Shack's adapt-a-plug system. You just need a plug that splits into two parallel plugs (like this), repeat as necessary (and a PSU with enough current capacity to power all the parallel devices, of course - you can buy wall warts from the shack, but there's no reason you couldn't use an old switching PC PSU.) Only technical drawback is this only provides one voltage per wire "rail". But one PSU per voltage (generally, you only ever need 5, 9, and 12) is a lot better than one PSU per device, which is the status quo. Sadly, Radio Shack absolutely rapes customers on the prices for these bits of wire.

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    17. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The solution you're looking for has been around for decades, it's called interchangeable chargers. It has been shunned by device manufacturers because they make hefty percentages on power adapters. I don't see why this device wouldn't suffer the same fate.

      What we really need is more powerful USB charging. The USB standard has the comnumer clout to make manufacturers support it, and a lot of devices can charge now from USB power, but my cell phone, for instance, takes forever.

    18. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My last vacation I took...

      -cell phone
      -PSP
      -digital camera
      -laptop ...and my daughter took...

      -iPod
      -GameBoy Advanced
      -her own cell phone
      -her own notebook (yes, I realize this part is overkill, but _you_ try telling a 16 year old girl she needs to leave it at home) ... all of which required their own, seperate power brick for charging. I ended up taking a power strip with me to plug all of the rest into at the hotel so I wouldn't have them spread all over the room.

      In my bedroom I have a rats next of courds to serve the same function.

      I agree, if it was just a cell phone I wouldn't pay the $250. But if all my devices had this built in it would be a pretty nice sized hassle removed from my life.

      TW

    19. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by Steven+W00ston · · Score: 1, Funny

      You don't get it. Wires are not cute enough for Mac users. At least, not until you can get a brushed aluminum firewire cable.

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      Author of a CONSIDERABLE number of best-selling games
    20. Re:Oooh, saves me a whole 2 seconds! by l3prador · · Score: 1

      If the technology ends up built-in to the phone, yes, but if you just have to bring an adapter to connect the phone to the pad, what's the difference? (And would you want the extra space taken up by the built-in adapter?)

  6. Wireless Mouse Pad by Nycto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My first thought when reading this: Build it in to a desk and use it as your mouse pad. Then, you would never have to charge your wireless mouse. Sweet.

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    --Nycto

    1. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by sirmalloc · · Score: 1

      Wacom tablets do this. I recently bought my girlfriend a Wacom Graphire3 which includes a wireless mouse to use on the pad - no batteries required.

    2. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by joey_knisch · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean like this?

    3. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      Eh no. Wacom tablets work on induction. Someone correct me if IM wrong :)

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    4. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Splashpower Ltd., established as the result of a business competition at Cambridge University, has developed a wireless charging system that uses electromagnetic induction to accomplish wireless charging of devices.

    5. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by zdzichu · · Score: 0, Redundant
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    6. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by ninkendo84 · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that they work the same way as the pen-in-hand method, in that the pad itself is powered, and it simply senses where the mouse is. That's why the pad feels so awkward when the mouse is angled 45 degrees... You have to move the mouse *up* on the tablet for the pointer on the screen to move up, not just move the mouse forward.

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    7. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by Trixter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd never have to charge your wireless mouse, but then you'd gain a cord back. Cord, never have to charge it... hmm, sounds just like a corded mouse to me :-)

    8. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by smbarbour · · Score: 1

      Yes and no, the main advantage is that the cord is not attached to the moving piece.

    9. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by gpw213 · · Score: 1
      My first thought when reading this: Build it in to a desk and use it as your mouse pad. Then, you would never have to charge your wireless mouse. Sweet.

      That has been done. Check out This mouse and a review of it here. There is a wire to the mouse pad, but none to mouse. It is powered via RFID. I have one of these, and it works great. Never had any problems with it, even in games.

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    10. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by Monkelectric · · Score: 1

      Right. But the wacom tablet pens are not CHARGED via induction? They simply use induction to sense their position?

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      Religion is a gateway psychosis. -- Dave Foley

    11. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    12. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by twofidyKidd · · Score: 1

      My, god... the marketing copy on that product hurts my brain to read. Do you think that's Engrish, or just your typical, fresh-out-of-college American marketing "genius?"

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    13. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by ichigo+2.0 · · Score: 1

      Cool! I wonder if you'd get werewolf-like hair growth on your mouse hand, or if it just starts glowing in the night?

      On a more serious note, I wonder if an inductive mouse pad could interfere with monitors if placed too close?

    14. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but the pens have a pressure sensor, the mouses have buttons, there's got to be some sort of circuitry in them, no? So, the pad's induction also powers that.

    15. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by pierre-luc · · Score: 1

      But you still need to connect a cable to your pad. Not so wireless...

    16. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

      Good idea. Someone's already beaten you to it, however =)
      Wacom (among others) use this technology for their sketch styluses (stylii?) and wireless mouses that only work when in close proximity to the surface of the graphics tablet...

    17. Re:Wireless Mouse Pad by CrackerJackz · · Score: 1

      No no you mean like http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/arnoldpad/arnold .htm ? Its all about building you own :)

  7. I love my new ... by Shads · · Score: 0

    ... wireless charging device, it's so snazzy looking with my iPod... the cancer is just a minor byproduct.

    *rofl*

    Wonder what kinda phsyical ramifications this will have on people? Did they ever prove that living near high-tension power lines causes cancer?

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    1. Re:I love my new ... by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      I don't want to start a debate here, but there are arguements for and against high tension lines contributing to cancer rates.

      I really don't see how this could cause an increased cancer risk, however. I mean, this does not emit as much energy as an unshielded wire, which is never cited as a cause of cancer.

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    2. Re:I love my new ... by Remlik · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes they did prove it...at least my college physics prof did by using a hypothetical line 1 foot above your head carring an impossible amout of power (1 million volts or somthing silly like that). The magnetic field generated by the line was several orders of magnitude less than the magnetic field of the earth which you are exposed to at all times.

      Also the cell phone brain cancer thing is becoming less and less likely.

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    3. Re:I love my new ... by Noxx · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think Eddie Murphy is still looking into it...

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    4. Re:I love my new ... by Urusai · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess the prof's theoretical calculations don't explain why HVAC lines will make a fluorescent tube light up at a distance, yet Earth's magnetic field does nothing...

    5. Re:I love my new ... by demonbug · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Earth's magnetic field is really really weak at the surface - like 30-40000 nano tesla, depending on where you are. We get exposed to many fields that are significantly stronger all the time (I definitley do - but then I work in a lab where we have several 1-2 tesla magnets going fairly often; on the otehr hand, we also have a shielded room, so I don't get exposed to Earth's magnetic field for significant portions of my day).

    6. Re:I love my new ... by __aamcgs2220 · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing, though: You live hundreds of feet away from high voltage power lines, so most of that radiation is attenuated by the time it gets to you. You get only a small dose, but you get it nearly constantly while you're at your house (or wherever you are that has the high voltage lines nearby). With this device, the power levels are much lower, but you're also much closer and the frequency could be much higher than 60Hz power lines, probably closer to 900 or 2400 MHz. The effective radiation absorption may be higher, even though it may be for a shorter duration. I don't know, but that's what I figure the problem *could* be. Whether it's a real or perceived problem, that's another matter entirely.

    7. Re:I love my new ... by Doomedsnowball · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do people think radio waves when they hear "wireless"? Hmmm... it seems obvious to me that the trick is to induce a electric current with a magnet that is not strong enough to completely destroy the electronic components inside the device. This would work toward eliminating multiple adapters to recharge various devices and overloading wall sockets with adapters. They aren't saying that they are recharging the devices with a high power 2.4 Ghz signal. Duh.

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    8. Re:I love my new ... by retro128 · · Score: 3, Informative

      But two questions: First, was it alternating current? And second, how much amperage was going through the line?

      Just having 1,000,000 volts above your head means nothing if there's little amperage and it's a DC power source. Alternating currents cause electromagnetic fields to propogate, and large amounts of current causes them to be more powerful. This is why you can get a flourescent tube to light up when you stand underneath high power transmission lines - The electromagnetic field from them is inducted into the tube and there is still enough power to excite the mercury atoms. Last I checked the Earth's magnetic field couldn't do something like that...

      I can see why the brain cancer/cell phone controversy exists - Basically you have a very, very powerful source of EM in a concentrated spot next to your ear. The problem is that nobody can seem to prove conclusively that it causes cell mutations.

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    9. Re:I love my new ... by Shimmer · · Score: 1

      I can see why the brain cancer/cell phone controversy exists - Basically you have a very, very powerful source of EM in a concentrated spot next to your ear.

      I do? My cell phone has a tiny little battery that probably couldn't even keep my ears warm on a cold day. How does a battery like that cause my phone to emit such a powerful blast of EM?

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    10. Re:I love my new ... by andrewman327 · · Score: 1

      That would only be true if you spent many hours each day within a very cose proximity of the device. I doubt that most people would do that, even if there were a chance of cancer.

      You also assume that high-tension power lines contribute to cancer, which is up in the air.

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    11. Re:I love my new ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll see your article saying no link, with one on the same date saying there is a link. Increased Cancer risk And then to top it off I'll put in Most scientific papers are probably wrong also from the same day. So no it isn't becoming any less likely, but they do prove the New Scientist's article's point.

    12. Re:I love my new ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, probably because that's what it is. Unless they are using light waves, the induced electric current you are talking about will emit EM waves. To nitpick one could argue they don't have to be in the "RF" part of the spectrum so they don't have to be "radio" waves, but EM radiation is EM radiation. The distance, frequency, and amplitude are just details...

      And yes, I AM an electrical engineer! :p

    13. Re:I love my new ... by Ariane+6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Umm, because in AC the magnetic field is changing, which flourescent bulbs require to operate?

      The earth also has an electric field of about 100 volts per meter, so the potential at your feet (if you're an average-sized adult) is different from that at your head by about 200 volts. Doesn't cause cancer.

    14. Re:I love my new ... by __aamcgs2220 · · Score: 1
      No, I didn't assume that anything contributes to cancer, which is why I said "...that's what I figure the problem *could* be," and "Whether it's a real or perceived problem, that's another matter entirely." Seems to me like your social conservatism is so powerful that you assumed I was making liberal-style accusations when I was doing no such thing. Just relax. The world isn't out to get you. Put on a Frank Zappa album and lose the guilt. You may live longer; constant worrying is POTENTIALLY not good for your health.

      If you want to get picky about it, it looks like you're assuming that cancer is up in the air, which is not always true...

    15. Re:I love my new ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because, when it comes down to it, lots of phenomenon are pretty much freakin a "radio wave", when it comes down to it. Visible Light? Why, yes, IT'S A RADIO WAVE, just orders of magnitude more frequent than the stuff that makes your AM radio work. That AC line in your house? It creates electromagnetic flux, which induces, yes, you guessed it...radio waves!

      The US submarine communication system, Seafarer operates at 76Hz... Yes, Hz. That's 16Hz more than the electric main to your house carries. A wavelength over 4000Km! It operates by conducting across the surface of the Earth, and by gosh, even the few watts of RF it produces can be received almost everywhere on the planet! Imagine that...

    16. Re:I love my new ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you really beleive it couldn't keep your ears warm on a cold day try short circuiting the battery. It will get hot very quickly and possibly explode. Unless you are correct. Try it and let us know how it works out.

    17. Re:I love my new ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But without an appropriate apparatus to radiate that energy (i.e. antenna) it will not propagate. Your house wiring will only have a near field component. For the same reason, this charging pad is not "radiating" EM waves. It only has a reactive near field component.

      -Brandon

    18. Re:I love my new ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well to nit pick more, there is an EM "field" which does not necessarily propagate. Most reactive (coil) type power transfer systems exist in a reactive near-field and do not propagate. Also power transfer does exist at microwave frequencies. Check out microwave wireless power transfer and rectennas (rectifying antennas) which can have RF to DC conversion efficiencies of greater than 80%.

      -Brandon

    19. Re:I love my new ... by aaronl · · Score: 1

      Every cellular phone that I've ever used gets toasty if you use it for any length of time. They're also putting off enough EM radiation to throw signal 7-10 miles. The microwave radiation they throw off isn't very penetrating, but luckily you have the transmitter right next to an opening that leads to your brain.

      Cell phones put out between 0.5W and 3W of high frequency radiation (824MHz ~ 2.0GHz).

  8. afroman's already done it by philo_enyce · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/arnoldpad/arnold pad.htm

    still, i'd like it if this became mainstream.

    philo

    1. Re:afroman's already done it by sirmalloc · · Score: 2, Funny

      best....website.....ever.

    2. Re:afroman's already done it by TheGavster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually tried building one of these for my MX700. Winding a flat spiral inductor is WAY harder than you would think. I never got one good enough to induce anything in my secondary coil.

      --
      "Because Science" is one step from "Because old book". Try "Because of my experiment testing my falsifiable assertion".
  9. Lawsuits are a comin' by Karma_fucker_sucker · · Score: 1, Interesting
    "It's basically the concept of creating a magnetic field that goes parallel to the surface of the pad rather than out of the pad and this has many benefits

    The "I'm getting cancer and my kids have ADD because of the powerlines in my house" crowd and their lawyers are going to have a field day with this!

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    1. Re:Lawsuits are a comin' by demonbug · · Score: 1

      Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the moderator(s) get it. Maybe if you shout FIELD louder.

    2. Re:Lawsuits are a comin' by joelsanda · · Score: 3, Funny

      The "I'm getting cancer and my kids have ADD because of the powerlines in my house" crowd and their lawyers are going to have a field day with this!

      Yeah ... especially when the attorneys (whose suits will still cost more than their laptops and cell phones) are typing away on their laptops using WiFi and mobile phones with Bluetooth!

      Case ... dismissed!

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      The Luddites were ahead of their time.
    3. Re:Lawsuits are a comin' by Peldor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously the field wasn't strong enough to make their lightbulbs glow.

    4. Re:Lawsuits are a comin' by TadZimas · · Score: 1

      Silly rabbit, don't you know magnets are nature's medicine! They reorganize your chakram, keep your blood flowing, cure arthritis, do menial chores like dusting, cure cancer, and get Bush impeached. don't you know anything? http://www.qray.com/default.aspx?source=google_mag netic_bracelet [some bullshit website selling overpriced novelty bracelets with no scientific backing whatsoever to dumb aging hippies.com]

  10. Wait a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The summary is misleading. All it is a generic recharging pad. It doesn't require wires...but not in the sense that your device recharges through the air. You just lay your device on a pad and it charges. It's a convience I suppose - but not too exciting.

    1. Re:Wait a second... by Shaleh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The one main advantage is the end of ac-dc adapters aka wall warts. This would get rid of each device needing its own proprietary power connector. I have a power strip of these just to recharge my own gadgets -- phone, gba, camera, etc.

      Not sure I am keen on the potential healh affects though.

    2. Re:Wait a second... by stud9920 · · Score: 0
      This would get rid of each device needing its own proprietary power connector
      As long as cell phone producers charge 25 $ for a fucking charger, you can bet they will protect the connection to the charger with bluetooth and the the DMCA.
  11. Isn't this just inductive power? by Kerosene · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Inductive power has been around for a while, mostly in electric toothbrushes.

    It's not "wireless" as the devices have to be pretty much touching the pad.

    For things like mp3 players and cellphones, it's really useless unless you're completely lazy or hate charging wires with a passion.

    No chance of brain cancer here, really.

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    1. Re:Isn't this just inductive power? by adrianmonk · · Score: 1
      It's not "wireless" as the devices have to be pretty much touching the pad.

      Are there wires running from the device to the charger? No? Then it's wireless.

      It may not be what you think of when you think of wireless, but it is wireless.

    2. Re:Isn't this just inductive power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      To that point, when I plug a battery into a charger, there are no "wires" between the battery and the charger either. So I guess most battery chargers where the battery or device is placed into the charger are all wireless as well...

    3. Re:Isn't this just inductive power? by erlenic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For things like mp3 players and cellphones, it's really useless unless you're completely lazy or hate charging wires with a passion.

      That's me exactly. I absolutely hate having a power cord for my phone floating around in my car. I would love a pad built into the small holding tray (or whatever it could be called) that's in my center console. I already take my cell phone and PDA out of my pocket and place them there anyway, why not add effortless recharging to it?

    4. Re:Isn't this just inductive power? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "For things like mp3 players and cellphones, it's really useless unless you're completely lazy or hate charging wires with a passion."

      You really don't need to hate the wires with a passion. All you need is for two ore more rechargable items to stay on to of. Right now in my house, I have a digital camera, 2 cell phones, two mp3 players, a PocketPC, Nintendo DS, and two laptops. Can you imagine what it'd look like to have all these chargers on one outlet? Having a pad you could just lay your rechargables on would be considerably more convenient.

      I wouldn't call it useless or extreme.

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      "Derp de derp."
  12. Its about time by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative
    http://home.howstuffworks.com/question292.htm

    My electric shaver recharges this way, and i've been wondering why we don't just have a pad that we can toss our electric gadgets onto for recharging.

    My wish has been granted!

    As for efficiency, I'll refer you to DansData, because he knows the answer to everything.
      Your Answer Here

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    1. Re:Its about time by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 3, Interesting


      My Braun electric toothbrush does too and you can recharge it just by setting it next to a CRT-based monitor.

  13. Whats the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It still has to sit on top of the pad to work.

  14. But.. by Norfair · · Score: 1

    ..I want something that will let me charge my batteries by urinating on them! Oh, wait...

  15. nice plan but... by mSparks43 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the way I understand it, it works in exactly the same way as the transformer in every power supply... these things are short range (typically a few centemeters max) so the risk of em celular damage should be insigificant. I wonder though, how this will play with the actual electronics in the device itself. Electronics tend to get fried by high power e.m. fields, and if the device has any kind of coil that isn't intended for power coupling you may end up cooking the device?

  16. Transformer? by Ironsides · · Score: 1

    "It's basically the concept of creating a magnetic field that goes parallel to the surface of the pad rather than out of the pad and this has many benefits," said Lily Cheng, chief executive officer and cofounder of the company, speaking at a news conference. "It enables us to deliver a very uniform output across the pad and enables us to make a receiver coil that is very thin."

    Sounds like they are using a basic transformer here. Only difference is that they didn't build the two coils in one solid piece. Wonder how high they can keep the efficiency here.

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    1. Re:Transformer? by 6L6GT · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a transformer to me as well. An interesting idea for charging things that do not rely on magnetic media. I would not let this device anywhere near an iPod. It would bulk erase the hard drive.

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      --Radio, the complex made simple. Computers, the simple made complex.
    2. Re:Transformer? by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      I would not let this device anywhere near an iPod. It would bulk erase the hard drive

      From what I have seen of bulk erasers, they tend to be, well, bulky among other things. Usually the coil wires are 2 or 3 mm thick with only a few dozen windings, and they charge up to release a whole lot of emf at once, consuming a kilowatt or so. This would be a much lower power device only consuming a few watts at most. Also, I think that hard drives can protect against some "lower power" emf. Otherwise you wouldn't dare degauss a CRT near a computer.

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  17. Wireless power is simple by Washizu · · Score: 1

    Wireless power is not all that difficult to implement, just don't step in front of the beam or you are wirelessly cooked.

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  18. Sounds great by Intellex · · Score: 1

    100 watts to charge a 5 watt device. Brilliant.

  19. see GM EV1 by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    It also charged this way.

    It was quite efficient (>85%?), but many complained it wasn't as efficient as conductive charging.

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    1. Re:see GM EV1 by joey_knisch · · Score: 0

      And what feeds that conductive charging? Do you think most wall warts are efficient? I have a power strip at my feet right now I am using as foot warmer. It puts out way more heat than my computer case. Granted I have a 80+% efficient psu, a low end gfx card, and a 35w cpu.

    2. Re:see GM EV1 by njh · · Score: 1

      You've just told me that your 10VA wall wart produces more heat than your > 35W computer. I don't believe you. You are probably confused because the wall wart is cooled passively through an insulator, whereas your computer has fans and heatsinks.

      My soldering iron is only 25W.

  20. Heh by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    When you said Afroman, This is what i thought you meant:
    Afroman

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  21. is this even useful? by xnerd00x · · Score: 1

    It seems like to charge, it has to be touching the charging device, or at least hover very close to it. It would be really cool if, say, you were in your house and your ipod just started charging, however, I don't see that much of an advantage here vs. just taking an extra 2 seconds and plugging in a power supply. Same thing with a wireless mouse - it's cool, but in reality, it's not that useful - i mean, how far away do you really sit away from your computer?

    1. Re:is this even useful? by EdwinBoyd · · Score: 1

      Wireless mice and keyboards are a godsend for home theatre systems. I have a 42" TV and in order to watch it properly you have to be roughly 5-6 feet away. Snaking cables across the floor is ugly and you're just asking to have someone trip over them.

      A wireless mouse at your desk though? Yeah that's pretty pointless.

    2. Re:is this even useful? by WillyMF1 · · Score: 1

      I thought the same as you, but you just gotta use a wireless mouse for a while to appreciate how nice it is. Clears up a whole new area to set your beer bottles etc. where your cord used to be. Also very nice when somone other than you is sitting in your chair and you want to control your machine. Oh, and say you are playing a game, like BF2 and you want to get in the same server as your friend who is at a computer in the same room. Instead of just hammering at the server trying to get in, you can set your mouse pointer on the "JOIN GAME" button, pick up your mouse and carry it over to the other machine with you and watch your friend play while keeping an eye out for someone to disconnect and always be the first person to join the server. Mostly its just nice that it never gets caught up on anything though.

  22. Nice, but... by pubjames · · Score: 1

    That's all very nice, but what I'd really like to see is power cords and adapters for my tech gear just made neater.

    To power my mac and accessories I have twelve separate powercords and seven different adapters making a mess under my desk. Shouldn't it be possible to make a single adapter to power all the smaller devices, and have some neat way to daisy chain little power cords for the stuff that doesn't need much power (which is most of the devices on my desk)?

    1. Re:Nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Or just maybe, one single device with one power adaptor and cord that goes that goes to a a spot on my desk. To make it even better, maybe design it so that all I have to do is set my smaller devices together near that spot on the desk and they would charge without my having to mess with all those incompatable and different connectors. Oh wait maybe I should just RTFA and look at the pretty picture.

    2. Re:Nice, but... by pubjames · · Score: 1

      I was referring to things that need constant mains power, not things with batteries. Sorry perhaps I should have made that clear.

    3. Re:Nice, but... by Fastolfe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      IMO, what we need is a single standard for power distribution that caters to the device, not dozens of adapters that are a slave to a single 120VAC standard.

      Most small electric devices operate off of DC power, so no matter what, you have to have an adapter to convert AC power to DC. Since you have to have the adapter anyway, it doesn't really matter what DC voltage you go with, so you pick whatever's going to be cheapest for the situation. Consequently, we have all sorts of DC power requirements.

      What might help the situation is for someone to come up with a standard for power outlets that use a standardized DC voltage in addition to AC. Or maybe a handful of voltages. Different contacts could provide your DC voltage(s), in conjunction with your AC voltage.

      Device manufacturers could then target those standardized voltages and spend less money on adapters.

    4. Re:Nice, but... by djdanlib · · Score: 1

      Yes, something like those multi-unit power supplies that electric guitarists use for their effects pedals would be great!

      Isolation for devices that place a variable load on the power supply would be a concern, though... it's amazing what strange problems underpowering something can produce.

    5. Re:Nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      check out igo.com. They sell powering accessories that work for just about all your devices and can be used in the car cig lighter or airplane powre or wall socket. Cool!

    6. Re:Nice, but... by fanblade · · Score: 1

      Device manufacturers could then target those standardized voltages and spend less money on adapters

      You misspelled earn.

    7. Re:Nice, but... by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      If you're suggesting that manufacturers will be loathe to adopt a power standard because they could make more money exploiting the lack of one, I'm not sure that policy would be in the manufacturers' best interests. We're not talking about razor blades for a shaver here, where it's indisputable that it's in their best interests to keep their razor designs proprietary.

      Consider that if there were enough consumers that were adopting this power standard, manufacturers would realize that they could drop their AC adapter from the product, eliminate its cost (but keep its markup, if they wanted), and easily undercut the competition, who still clings to the sales of their AC adapters. The consumers have it better, because even if this manufacturer increases its profit margin, it's still cheaper for them all around, because it's going to be cheaper to have a standards-based DC power infrastructure than it is to individually purchase an AC power adapter for every device they use.

      It's possible that I'm missing something here, but the economics of this approach just don't seem to make sense from the manufacturer's perspective.

      Of course, we still have the chicken-and-the-egg problem, but I'm not really convinced this is a significant contributor to it.

    8. Re:Nice, but... by thewierdnut · · Score: 1

      This is an old discussion:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents

      Its a matter of efficiency. Basically, AC can be sent over a wire with higher voltage, and therefore less current (P = IV). With less current, you have less resistance, and therefore less power loss due to heat.

      Over short distances, this may not matter much, but even if you had DC power, you would need DC to AC power adaptors for all those devices that work better with AC.

      Either way, I dont believe that people would care to spend five minutes deciding which outlet on the wall to plug into.

    9. Re:Nice, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're suggesting that manufacturers will be loathe to adopt a power standard because they could make more money exploiting the lack of one, I'm not sure that policy would be in the manufacturers' best interests.

      But they already demonstrate how much they loathe standardization There's no technical reason on Earth why every mobile phone can't be made to use the same power adapter, today. If mobile phone manufacturers saw a net benefit to standardization, then they'd be doing it today by agreeing on the specification for a universal mobile phone charger. They don't do it, because they don't see the benefit.

    10. Re:Nice, but... by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      I was suggesting a building-local DC conversion, and suggested that this could be "in addition" to AC. Either modify outlets to incorporate both in one socket, or use a separate socket, and make it apparent what each type of socket supports. People will adapt.

    11. Re:Nice, but... by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

      I actually agree with you, but there's a difference between a lack of benefit, and a benefit in the other direction.

      Any DC-powered device like this is going to require a power adapter. Choosing a voltage for that power adapter matters very little to the cost of the adapter. The preferred DC voltage of the device thus becomes the deciding factor. The manufacturers have no incentive to standardize because there's no benefit at all. They still have to build/buy/ship an adapter with their device, so they're going to go with a DC voltage that lets them do that as cheaply as they can. If they all decide to standardize, but still have to ship adapters, their costs are going to go up a little bit, since conforming to a DC standard is going to be slightly more expensive than selecting a DC voltage that works best/most cheaply with their product.

      The original poster was suggesting that the reason actually went beyond that: they preferred not to standardize because they were benefiting more from the sale of the adapter. While that might be true, I suspect the simple *lack* of benefit is probably more widespread.

      If a standard were to emerge, however, and manufacturers could reduce the cost of their products by making the AC adapter an *option*, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to do that. You're selling the same product for significantly less than a competitor, because your customer has his own DC power supply. You can't do that if you don't adopt the standard.

      But again, there's still the chicken-and-the-egg problem. None of this speculation means anything until we find a way to actually get a standard to emerge.

  23. Nah, Tesla's thing was recharge at a distance. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    This is just recharge on contact.

    Actually with Tesla's method there is never a discharge, though I'm probably using the word "discharge" slightly different from current usage.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+wireless

  24. Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, they have created a device that recharges devices wirelessly, if you place the device on top of the pad.

    My cell phone, my beard trimmer, and my toothbrush already recharge wirelessly... sure, I have to place them in their cradles and line up the contacts, but it's still approximately the same.

    What is being offered here is a universal charger system. The rest of it is bells and whistles. What Splashpower needs to do is get the device producers to incorporate the hardware necessary for this, and to get hotels etc. to install the pads.

    This is problematic, as stated in the article. Device-makers won't install the charging coil unless the infrastructure for charging is in place; establishments won't purchase the charging pads unless a sufficient amount of devices have the coil installed. There's just no ROI for a hotel chain to install these in their rooms and suites, and no reason for an end-user to purchase an enabled device if chargers aren't available.

    Nice idea, but don't buy stock.

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    "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    1. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. And one of the main principles of good usability is that the user gets some sort of feedback--this could easily be done wrong. I mean, the user puts it down... is it actually charging? Is it working? (Could be fixed with implanted LEDs in the surface to glow near the item being charged...)

      The mental model of a wire functioning like a pipe refilling the device is much easier to understand, more portable, and is very mature in making it hard for the user to plug it in wrong. Contrast this to "spooky recharging field"... That, and as parent pointed out, when you have a mobile device you want a way to recharge it in the field, even if you won't necessarily use it regularly--this pad doesn't quite do that.

      Just saying that the important aspect of non-geek usability could go either way on this.

    2. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by metlin · · Score: 1

      Nice idea, but don't buy stock.

      Yet.

      You never know - sometimes, ideas that are good conceptually take off at the least unexpected of times.

      You'd be surprised.

    3. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      At the current price point, it isn't going to happen. If they can get a big player in peripherals and handhelds to sign on, they've got a chance -- as long as their unit price drops dramatically, which they allude to in the press release / article.

      This idea has been worked over tons of times, and discarded as unprofitable. The difference here is the ability to charge multiple devices at once. Is it enough? Remains to be seen.

      A big problem is that device manufacturers will need to incorporate two separate charging mechanisms until the charging pad unit price drops by an order of magnitude. This is a really inefficient redundancy, leading to higher mfg costs, bulkier & heavier devices, and re-design of entire product lines. Expensive.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    4. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by DoorFrame · · Score: 1

      If the company has enough capital, they could always go ahead and handle one end of the chicken/egg problem themselves. Lets say they deal with Nokia to pay for the installation of the receiver into every phone being sold by Nokia in Britain. Sure, they'll have to kick out $15 per phone, but lets say they sell a million phones... it's $15,000,000 to get a huge user base plus all the advertising that we assume they'll cram into the box.

      I'm not sure it's unfeasable, they'd just need to bankroll the beginning.

    5. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1
      My cell phone, my beard trimmer, and my toothbrush already recharge wirelessly... sure, I have to place them in their cradles and line up the contacts, but it's still approximately the same.

      I think a better term (than "wireless') to express the difference between your cell phone/cradle and the one in the article might be "contactless". Not as in "not touching" but as in "no electrical contracts".

      As you say, it's not that much different fundamentally, magnetic vs. electrical coupling. However, it would be nice to reduce the number of wall warts I need to charge everything portable I own.

      Now for some "pie in the sky": A reduced number of electrical contact schemes/voltages would be my choice. If there were 3 or 4 "standard" charger plug/voltage combinations, then perhaps a majority of the world's portable devices could use one of those. We could even color code the jacks/plugs. When a power supply dies, just go to Target/Walmart/whatever and get a new "orange" adapter. IAAEE, and I admit that I have been arbitrary when selecting power jacks. But I've also been involved in some good decisions, too, and having a standard like this could make it easier to make more of the latter.

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    6. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by CreatureComfort · · Score: 1


      Except that they offer clip-on adaptors for existing electronics, so you can convert all of your electronics before the device manufacturers install the coil internally. If they could create standard pickup coils to fit into the standard size battery compartments, 2-AA, 2-AAA, 9-volt, etc., they could probably sell it to the hotels as a pad that TV remote controls and bedside alarm clocks could be placed on. Add surge protection and a normal AC outlet on the desktop part of it, and it would allow the hotels to 1) not have to worry about replacing dead batteries in remotes, 2) keep the same number of cords running to the bedside, i.e. clock, and 3) fix one of the biggest annoyances I have when traveling. What use is it to offer free WiFi at a hotel when the only plugs for my laptop are either hidden behind the headboard of the bed, or all the way on the far side of the room by the TV?

      This would be a great way to put an extra AC plug right on the nightstand beside the bed, and provide charging for all of the normal in-room electronics. Couple that with selling charging plates/adapters in the lobby, and you might be able to get some of the nationwide chains interested. I mean if they can get Radisson to install those hideous "sleep number" beds, they should be able to get somebody to go for this idea.

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    7. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by gribbly · · Score: 1

      Pretty much anything chargeable lights up/flashes/beeps/has a little animating icon when charging by wire. Why would you need anything extra or different?

      grib.

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    8. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      In your example, they'd need to pay for the other half of the deal. At $250 a pop, few consumers would spring for the charger -- unless the coil were imbedded in most of their devices. So multiply that figure by 3 or 4, to add the coil to other devices.

      The flip side would be to pay for the chargers in public/common areas like hotel rooms and cafes, and possibly discount the coils to the mfgr as above. Still a huge capital outlay.

      The problem that really sticks for me, is that the device mfgrs would need to redesign their products, and offer redundant charging mechanisms.

      Revenue stream is questionable, it depends on how many people buy the chargers, and at what price... I don't think people would shell out more than the devices themselves cost. What's the unit cost of the chargers? Could the company afford to sell at a loss until demand & economies of scale bring unit cost below wholesale price, or wholesale price above unit cost? Would the margin be greater than the OC of $15 mil or more?

      I see this as a niche product for people who have a half-dozen devices. The typical consumer doesn't derive a big advantage from this.

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    9. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by mooingyak · · Score: 1

      Ha!

      People have been asking for this for years, but I think it might sell well despite that :)

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    10. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      I totally agree.

      The problem is getting the device manufacturers to comply, since it would require capital investment for them, and would likely reduce their profits. Cell phone companies make a bundle on the chargers they sell, and most people don't bother finding a third-party vendor for accessories. New phone every 1-2 years? Don't need to get a new charger? Not good for the service carrier, and therefore not good for their phone supplier.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    11. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      It's a pretty steep capital layout, though. And clip-on adaptors will be annoying to a ton of consumers, possibly too annoying to make it worthwhile. Takes away from the "just works" part of the product.

      Niche market -- frequent business travelers & those with tons of portable devices. Market exists, but that's a steep price point.

      I would love universal chargers, but I don't see it happening. Another thought -- why would device retailers (particularly for cell phones) ever want to offer a universal charger? They make a ton of money on chargers -- ever notice that the charger structure changes with every new product line? This ties in with their "free phone with 2-yr contract" model, since they make a killing off the accessories. I don't think they'd be cool with killing a major revenue stream.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    12. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by fatcatman · · Score: 1

      New phone every 1-2 years? Don't need to get a new charger? Not good for the service carrier, and therefore not good for their phone supplier.

      Uhm, I think you're missing something that's, well, rather obvious: When is the last time you bought a new phone that didn't come with a charger?

      If the charger costs Nokia $5 and an embedded coil costs them $1, they might just go with the coil. Saves them the cost of bundling that damn charger. Even if they were making bank selling chargers, what makes you think they can't sell a Nokia branded charging pad? This is even better; since a single pad can charge any device, they have a perfect excuse to NOT include it with the phone - and if the phone is your first pad-chargable device, hey, you have to shell out for a pad, too.

    13. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by fatcatman · · Score: 1

      They make a ton of money on chargers

      Source? Or are you just guessing?

      ever notice that the charger structure changes with every new product line?

      Yeah, and they include a charger with the purchase of every new product. How are they making a ton of money selling chargers?

      By the way... The Nokia charger that came with a Nokia cell phone I bought in 1997 has charged several generations of Nokia phones, including my newest one. I also have half a dozen of these chargers because every time I upgrade my phone, they include another one. I've never actually bought a charger - and I don't think I'm in the minority here.

    14. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      "Uhm, I think you're missing something that's, well, rather obvious: When is the last time you bought a new phone that didn't come with a charger?"

      A significant amount of people buy a second charger, for the car or for the office. If you want to be able to recharge the device in your car, that would require duplicate charging mechanisms within the phone. Therefore, redesigning the phone.

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    15. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Almost everyone I know has bought an extra charger for their office or for their car. Spare chargers normally cost $25-30 from the phone mfgr.

      I'll have to look into getting a Nokia, because I end up purchasing a new spare charger every time I upgrade my phone.

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    16. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by fatcatman · · Score: 1

      Almost everyone I know has bought an extra charger for their office or for their car.

      I wonder if anyone has done a study on this, because I personally don't know anybody who has bought a spare charger for their office. My phone battery lasts like a week...

      I do have a charger for the car I use on long trips, but that was free, too - bundled with one of the phones I bought.

    17. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      My sample might be skewed, I work in NYC where practically everyone takes mass transit to work... no car charger.

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    18. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Secrity · · Score: 1

      Maybe at first the manufacturers would have to bite the bullet and package the new devices with a minimally functional (really cheap) charging coil. Once there are enough devices and charging coils in use it may be possible that consumers would buy better coils to replace the minimalist coils that their gizmos came with, hotels could provide the coils for their guests, and manufacturers could stop providing coils with new devices.

    19. Re:Neat-O, but gimmicky by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      The coil is on the device, whether clipped on with an adaptor to current charging system, or built internally into the device. It allows the device to use the mag field on the pad to generate a current to charge the batteries.

      The mag pad is the charger, which is what the co. hopes hotels etc will purchase.

      The coils are necessary for every device, and would best be implemented as internal additions.

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  25. Just another adapter by hode · · Score: 1

    To pick up the power field, gadgets must have a receiver coil built into them or have an adapter clipped on the back

    Trade one adapter for another...

  26. the wire im currently using for charging... by deft · · Score: 1

    ...is alot more flexible, longer, and smaller. Yes, I have to "plug it in" instead of "set it on". But my wire can be taken with me. One of them can plug into my car. both of them together are a fraction the size of this pad.

    And maybe I'm not getting it, but isn't that thing plugged in?!??! If I'm not mistaken, they have only replaced the plug with a plate. When I first read the article, i was excited to think someone figured out how to charge my devices anywhere... like on a trail.

    This is an example of something very cool that is impractical. I applaud them, but I will not buy their stock.

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  27. This is so old its carbon dated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Splashpower has, quite literally, been around since the collapse at the beginning of the '00s. They started out doing more specific product development (talking about recharge pads and the like), but in recent years all I've heard about is the fact they've been trying to work the licensing angle and had signed a couple of agreements with a car parts manufacturer.

    Basically this seems like a natural evolution of the toothbrush (Sonicare, etc.) concept in a very useful way. Of course who wouldn't want a simple pad on which to drop all your assorted techn gobbledygook (PDA, phone, MP3 player, etc.). That said, whether this will EVER make it to market is an entirely different question.

    I have to say that after like 5 years I'm a little suspect.

    Best,
    rt

  28. One step closer... by hal2814 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now we're one step closer to the Broadcast Energy Transmitter (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093066/). Better watch out or Cobra-La will use it to deploy spores from space.

  29. Luckily, I knew they didn't create anything useful by hellomynameisclinton · · Score: 1

    so when I read the article I wasn't disappointed. I bought an electric toothbrush that has a charging cradle, no contact points, no wires. Same thing, minus the ipod attachment [pauses to think about patenting the mp3 toothbrush with wireless power].

    The term "wireless power" is technically correct, but not in any way that anybody would care about. This is limited by proximity, like any old inductor or transformer. If you have a cord to the wall, and must be near it, why not plug in your dock instead, and get data communication as well? It's really not inconvenient and certainly not difficult to plug things into available power sockets, so please stop trying to solve this "problem".

    I'll save my excitement for when we start figuring out how to make Tesla's dreams come true.

  30. flash memory, hard drives and magnets don't mix... by javaxman · · Score: 1

    I could be worrying about nothing, perhaps the power levels involved in the fields are too low to cause problems, but... do I really want to be setting my iPod or other memory-chip or mini-hard-drive device on an inductive pad?

    I mean, it's fine for my toothbrush ( if a tad slow an inefficient compared to a direct cable connection )... but is that cable to my iPod really such a problem, and might it not be a tad dangerous for my precious data to place it directly on an inductive surface ?

  31. Finally! by aarku · · Score: 1

    At last the technology of electric toothbrushes from the '80s today in our handheld devices!

  32. Regeneration Cycle by minginqunt · · Score: 1

    Wake me up when they scale this technology up to the point when it can regenerate *me* in my own personal Borg Alcove.

    Oh, the japes you could have with one of these pads. I bet with a little bit of careful soldering, you could make any mobile phone that comes within its vicinity explode scalding Lithium Hydroxide all over the owner's suppirating, unexpectant face.

    Hilarity ensues.

  33. iPod mini... by iolaus · · Score: 1

    Why didn't they build an adapter for a normal iPod? Oh yea, the hard drive in a magenetic field thing.

    Honestly, I can't personally forsee a lot of uses for this (other than the mousepad idea mentioned which has merrit).

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    1. Re:iPod mini... by usurper · · Score: 1

      The iPod mini has a hard drive. I believe you're thinking of the Nano.

  34. Anyone Remeber Tesla? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    He had wireless power distribution 100 years ago.

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  35. Saw one a few years ago... by altek · · Score: 1

    I remember someone I worked with had one of these... the tech isn't new, but I swear there is already a product on the market that is pretty much identical to this. It was probably 2 years ago at least, and I remember she had an adapter on her cell phone and a few other devices that were charging just by sitting on the pad. I just tried searching google (haphazardly) and wasn't able to find them though...

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    1. Re:Saw one a few years ago... by Tsar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that was Splashpower too. This article from 21 Jan 2005 mentioned that the company "has been promising to launch its SplashPad charger for the past three years," so it's probable that you're remembering earlier coverage of the same thing.

      I wonder if they're working on 100:1 lossless compression as well...

    2. Re:Saw one a few years ago... by altek · · Score: 1

      No, I mean someone in my department physically had one, she was using it with her devices... and as I mentioned this was a few years ago...

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  36. A "cable-free" PC? by sorrodos · · Score: 1

    Would it be possible to combine this type of technology with Bluetooth (or some other wireless technology) in a case to create PC internals that didn't require cables to be ran to them for data and power?

    If that would work, the case could be shielded to prevent your neighbors from snooping on the data being transmitted over the air from your HD to your controller, etc.

    I'm not a hardware person, so maybe this wouldn't be possible, but it would be pretty cool if it were...

    1. Re:A "cable-free" PC? by Rick+Genter · · Score: 1

      With the exception of power, this already exists.

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  37. As Arnold might say... by zwilliams07 · · Score: 1

    No! It's notta tumor! [its a feature.]

  38. what does wireless bring here? by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    For a mouse, I get it, it's exactly the same as the Wacom batteryless pen tables. EXACTLY. It's not new.

    But for other stuff, this only adds complication. I mean, you might as well just say all devices should have the same charging connector so you don't have to have multiple wall warts. That would work as well as this.

    And no better.

    There's still problems with voltages/power draws and trying to charge multiple devices at once.

    I can think of 5 other steps which are a lot better than this one, and each is closer to reachable than this.

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  39. Splash Pad has a power cord... by ploafmaster+general · · Score: 1

    Does anyone else appreciate the sheer irony that the splash pad in the picture has a power cord sticking out of it?

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  40. Proprietary power by norminator · · Score: 1

    The one main advantage is the end of ac-dc adapters aka wall warts.

    That would be nice, definitely... but do manufacturers want to get rid of proprietary wall warts? If they did, then why hasn't anyone come up with a universal wall wart connector specification that says that all wall wart connectors will be the same size and polarity? (I can understand defferent needs as far as voltages go.) A lot of devices tell you specifically not to use another wall wart, maybe because the average customer (non-slashdotter) doesn't know how to read the voltage, current and polarity specs. But it does seem like they don't want it that easy to use a 3rd party power adapter. Maybe they think that if your power adapter breaks, you'll just buy a new phone/PDA/MP3 player.

    In any case, if this does become popular, this one Splashpower manufacturer will have to swing deals with all of the electroncis companies to get their equipment built into every device, or make adapters for each device that they're not built into, which is fine, but what if a competitor releases a similar product? Would a cell phone with a SpalshPower adapter built-in work with a chargin pad from another company? Would an external iPod adapter from another manufacturer work with a SplashPower pad?

    I'm just thinking this might not quite solve the multiple wall wart problem

  41. Sounds Familiar? Try Another! by loyukfai · · Score: 2, Informative
    At least this is more than half year old.

    OTOH, this maybe a bit more refreshing.

  42. Useful for laptops? by Sepodati · · Score: 1

    Seems like this would be nice for laptops. I usually just sit mine on the end table when I'm done with it, so if I could sit it there and recharge it at the same time that'd be nice. Yeah, it's not that difficult to plug in, but if these were cheap and devices supported 'em, it'd just be convienent.

    The whole problem with this is that companies don't want to support it until the infrastructure is out there and the manufacturer can't get the pads out there until products support it. So who takes the big dive first? Should be the big corporations, IMO. Start with cell phones and iPods and you can't go wrong, can you?

    What I'm really waiting for is a way to wirelessly power a flat screen TV on the wall so I don't have to run a power cord to it. Sure, if I build the house, I can hide the power cords, but that's rarely the case. With that, I can wirelessly stream movies, etc to it and not have any cables showing at all. Sweet.

    ---John Holmes...

  43. You know something... I can think of... by JPamplin · · Score: 1

    I can think of a whole lot of far-more-entertaining ways to get brain cancer, so I'm not really excited about this. ;-)

  44. Two hits in the efficiency chain? by nobodyman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Excellent link from the parent -- I have an electric toothbrush that charges the same way and I've always wondered how efficient it is. Apparently it isn't much worse than traditional adapters used for phones and such: about 70%.

    However, if you look at the photo of the splashpower base, it looks as though the base itself uses an AC adapter (the cord appears to have a male DC-power connector). If that's the case then you really have to hits in the chain, and the system is ultimately 50% efficient (.7 for the adapter that powers the base, times .7 for the "remote" charging.) Right?

    1. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by everphilski · · Score: 1

      Righto. Overall efficiency = E1 * E2. But you have to convert from AC (wall current) to DC since your device runs on DC, two conversions are necessary. At least here in the US, power is cheap so if this tech becomes cheap enough I think people will buy into it for the convenience.

      -everphilski-

    2. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      I think that that might be AC current running into the pad. As I understand the system, it is the change inherent in the AC system that allows the inductive power to work. I am pretty sure that my toothbrush connects the 120AC to the coil in the charging base and then my toothbrush makes up the other half of the transformer that turns the power into something useful.

      If it works like this, there would only be one conversion thats only slightly less efficient than the standard power adaptor. Also, most electronics come with cheapo inefficient DC adaptors, I would hope that if this charging pad needs an adaptor, it would use a high quality one to combat double efficiency loss.

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    3. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by Enigma_Man · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also, you're going to get less than .7 efficiency from the inductive recharger. The .7 efficiency on something like a toothbrush-charging stand assumes that the coils actually overlap slightly (know that little knob that the toothbrush rests on? It's actually part of the magnetic core that helps transmit the AC over). The electric field decreases with the square of distance. In one of those toothbrush chargers, the inductors are separated maybe by a millimeter of thin plastic. If you have... say a mousepad-sized recharging "station" to put all of your goodies onto, you might end up with distances of several inches from the charging coil to the pickup coil in the device you actually want to charge. Without having an actual "stand" like electric toothbrushes do, you aren't going to transmit much power. If you're going to have a stand, might as well have metal contacts, and forego the less efficient inductive method. The only reason why toothbrushes really do that is because they're often wet, and you put them in your mouth, so you wouldn't want metal contacts sticking out (my waterproof electric razor actually has metal contacts, you just wouldn't want to plug in the AC while it's wet).

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    4. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by strstrep · · Score: 1

      I don't know if it's a DC power converter. By Lenz's Law, the only way that you can get a magnetic field from electric current is to have a current input varying in the time domain (AC). You would then need an AC->DC converter on board the device you want to charge. It may very well be that the wallwart that you see is actually an AC-AC transformer. My BCD clock has one --- I think it uses the frequency of the AC signal as its time source.

    5. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by yurnotsoeviltwin · · Score: 1

      yea, people aren't going to buy it based on how much it will cost them in electrical bills - the difference in cost between charging with a .7 efficiency charger and a .5 efficiency charger is next to nil for these small devices. The biggest issue that consumers will care about will be charge times - toothbrushes get two or three uses a day and are in their cradle the rest of the time, but cell phones and ipods are a completely different story.

    6. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by buford_tannen · · Score: 1

      By Lenz's Law, the only way that you can get a magnetic field from electric current is to have a current input varying in the time domain (AC).

      It's the other way around. The only way you can get electric current from a magnetic field is to have the field input varying in the time domain.

      Otherwise how would my MRI magnets produce a magnetic field? (DC current is "stored" on the superconducting coil inside them)

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    7. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by kd5ujz · · Score: 1

      It could be an AC--->AC adaptor. I would do that instead of having an AC-->DC-->AC.

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      God is everything science has yet to explain.
    8. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by njh · · Score: 1

      "You would then need an AC->DC converter on board the device you want to charge."

      They're called diodes, and they cost less than a 10th of a cent in volume.

    9. Re:Two hits in the efficiency chain? by Koushiro · · Score: 1

      Actually, you're thinking of Faraday's law: the induced emf is proportional to the rate of change of magnetic flux density (the changing magnetic flux density being caused by the changing current). Lenz's Law just says that the induced emf acts in the direction such that the magnetic field produced opposes the magnetic field causing it.

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  45. Tesla's dream at last! by CoCoshuq · · Score: 1

    A few steps further down the road we can se Nikola Tesla's grand vision coming true! His Wardenclyffe Tower was meant to give wireless power to the world (and a nice brainfry to anyone wearing a tinfoil hat) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower

  46. Solar? by dmeranda · · Score: 1

    Just use solar cells and put your devices under a table lamp.

    Also, why is it that so many /. readers seem to use electric toothbrushes?

    1. Re:Solar? by fatcatman · · Score: 1

      Also, why is it that so many /. readers seem to use electric toothbrushes?

      Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

  47. You don't put it on your head by panurge · · Score: 5, Interesting
    So how exactly is a short range magnetic field going to give you brain cancer?

    The efficiency is probably not at all bad; the magnetic field is short range and, in the absence of a receiver, the only thing in the magnetic circuit to absorb energy is the hysteresis of the inductor in the transmitter. Which, with modern ferrites, can be pretty small, unless of course they are using a purely air-cored system at the transmitter end, in which case it's tiny.

    The huge potential benefit of this system is that it eliminates the second most unreliable part of electronic systems: connectors. Anyone who has worked at the sharp end of electronics knows that connectors suck, big time. Designs proliferate. There are far too many of them and they are far too unstandardised. And connectors designed to be repeatedly made and broken are the worst of the lot. Although the designs have come a long way (the fact that gigabit copper Ethernet connectors work is a small electronic miracle in itself) they are still the worst part of any system, after the batteries.
    So here we have a system which if widely adopted allows most of the tiny connectors used in portable devices to disappear, and possibly reduces the demands on batteries because people will find recharging easier. Those are big pluses.

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    1. Re:You don't put it on your head by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, hey DUH!! Have you not seen all the advertisements? Magnets are healing! Especially around your wrist.

    2. Re:You don't put it on your head by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      So how exactly is a short range magnetic field going to give you brain cancer?

      The same way living under power lines gives you cancer, of course! 'Cause everyone knows there's no other differences in diet, work environments, or lifestyle between those people who live under powerlines and those who live in a mansion behind locked gates with a view of the Riviera Country Club out their back windows.

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  48. Sealed iPod? by utexaspunk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've always thought it would be cool if Apple made a completely sealed, solid-state iPod. It would need inductive charging built in, as well as wireless bluetooth headphones. I'm not sure if a standard exists for it, but there also needs to be a very short-range (i.e., through the inductive charger) high-bandwidth wireless data transfer protocol. How cool would it be to have a waterproof iPod nano? Maybe someday they'll evolve into equally slim, sealed and lightweight tablets.

    1. Re:Sealed iPod? by fossa · · Score: 1

      Kids, don't forget to take your iPills today? (iTamins?)

  49. The End is Near... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe when they turn this on, it's going to wipe out all life on the planet.

  50. what we have, what we need by Transcendor · · Score: 1

    as posted before, this technology is called "transformator". It uses alternated magnetical fields over a copper coil.
    Another technology is known to use electrical high-frequency fields. Some of you may have heard of it. You take an oscilating circuit, say a capacitor-resistor-transistor array or more complex, but less thermosensitive, a PLL. You connect this to a cable. The other end of that cable is unconnect. Make that cable long the n-th piece of the distance a light beam would travel in a oscillation period (lambda / n). Tada!
    here you go: energy from the oscillating circuit "disappears".

    This energy can be retained, using a similiar cable (so-called "antenna" in both cases).
    Now that has advantages: The energy will only affect cables, chips, PCB connections etc of a length similiar to lambda/n .
    (BTW: why doesn't slashdot let me use the greek symbol?)
    It can be quite efficient, beam formers are easy to build, and the distance can be varied.
    Ah, and that technology goes back to a man named Marconi. I hope you know what I mean by now.

  51. A replacement for power outlets? by cinderful · · Score: 1

    I was talking with my friend just the other day about this concept (i didnt know it was this further along, despite the fact that I have a Sonicare toothbrush . . . duh)

    The exciting thing is when appliances and their stands/desks/cabinets are able to become conduits for power.
    No more messy wires.

    Eventually, I would think this could be built into flooring and moulding in houses so there would be power running everywhere and we'd no longer have to worry about wires, placement of electronics close to outlets, extension cords, etc, etc.

    I cant stand the ratsnest of wires I've got with my Mac, cell, ipod, speakers, scanner, printer. Ugh.

  52. sounds like a great idea by chasingporsches · · Score: 1, Troll

    huge magnetic field + ipod mini's internal hard drive and electronics?

    doesn't sound like a good idea to me. i'll stick with throwing mine on its dock.

    1. Re:sounds like a great idea by empvirus · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Ipod doesn't really have a hard drive. Well, not in the PC sense of things. The Ipod's storage is more like a thumbdrive's really, and flash memory changes when you up the voltage on it, so that's safe. But electromagnetic fields and electronics still don't add up.

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    2. Re:sounds like a great idea by terrymr · · Score: 1

      My ipod has a hard drive.

  53. universal adapter VS. charge pad by digitaldc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have a universal plug adapter you can really do the same thing. The difference is simply laying the device down and spending $150.00 for that slight convenience.

    How many of you read this first thought you could recharge remotely, say within 100 feet of this device? Now THAT would be convenient.

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  54. Put in a car with one of these... by sorrodos · · Score: 1

    Non-slip dash pad

    Build it into the dash with a non-slip dash pad over it, put an iTrip on your iPod, and hit the road for 17+ hours straight. Forget about plugging into the cigarette lighter to recharge the iPod.

    1. Re:Put in a car with one of these... by EllF · · Score: 1

      Yeah! We can spend hundreds of dollars to avoid spending $5 on a cable!

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  55. Both parent and grandparent are correct, IMO by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 1

    You're both right. On the whole, it really isn't a time saver, as you still have to do some plugging in and setting up. But you don't have to have so many different power plugs, all of which hurt portability. This will become more useful as we get smaller and smaller devices. This is probably the first product of a line that will progressively get better. Afterall, that's part of the point of Slashdot, right? To bring us news on cool stuff before the masses realize how cool it is in two product cycles.

    Now, a question from the economics major (read: lay person) - if I try to charge multiple devices, as Parent suggests is possible, don't I risk tripping a circuit or something? Or at least them all charging slower?

  56. iPod Pico by everphilski · · Score: 1

    ... buy the new iPod Pico, just like the Nano, but with an inductive coil!!! no more pesky recharging jacks!

    All your dollars are belong to Apple!

    -everphilski-

  57. Contactless by devnullkac · · Score: 1

    There's a big difference between contactless power and wireless power. Wake me up when I can walk around town drawing power for my iPod from overhead lines.

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    1. Re:Contactless by BrianPan · · Score: 1

      The black wire on the right of the picture tipped me off that maybe it wasn't really wireless.

  58. uhh.. wow.. by mr_gerbik · · Score: 1

    So I first have to plug my iPod into a wireless charging adapter, then lay it on the "wireless charging pad" that is plugged into the wall... Wow, that is so amazing. You know what else would be sweet? If I could just place it in a cradle. Oh wait...

  59. Wireless Power by WizADSL · · Score: 1

    To me, wireless recharging means a home tesla coil, then again if we had true wireless recharging, we wouldn't need batteries at all. Now, contactless recharging (toothbrushes,shavers) are just using induction, this is the same method used to power the Mobil SpeedPass for example.

    1. Re:Wireless Power by slcdb · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's not really wireless power at all. It's more of a fancy new universal power adaptor (which happens to be contactless).

      And here I was hoping, "Yay! Finally someone has figured out a way to (safely) beam power over (fairly) long distances." Feh. "Wireless power"... give me a break.

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  60. Eh... by sunwolf · · Score: 1

    I won't buy it until it can recharge ME wirelessly. Then I can stop doing useless activities like eating, and spend more time in front of my monitor.

  61. and therefore... by Foktip · · Score: 1

    we have the reason why this thing will not gain support from the device manufacturers! Building devices to be compatable with this might interfere with the devices functionality, manufacture price, and Quality-Testing.

    Also, this has been menitoned, but I somehow have doubts this will work "properly" over time for devices with magnetic hard-drives or other mechanisms (what about cell-phone antennas?). Notice how they used an ipod mini with its aluminum case - wouldnt it act as shielding if you made the end thing use it as such?

    Anyways, if you want a fun time, leave a metal slinky on top of this thing while its on! Or embed some coils in a bowl and you can use it to heat water slowly. I also wonder if this will (like everything else) screw up wireless networks... why didnt they list any technical information anyway?

  62. It's already been done by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

    It's Been done (for cheap too!)

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  63. Cost Reduction by MountainLogic · · Score: 1

    It would be very interesting to look at the true cost savings that *might* be able to be found from this. If you look at your average small portable consumer widget that has a connector or two, the cost of the connectors can often exceed the code of the chips.

  64. Quiet Earth anyone? by aphaenogaster · · Score: 1
  65. This is nothing special by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The purpose of technology is to enhance our lives without changing the way we live. So, as many of you have said, this saves us a few seconds/dollars perhaps of having to hook up each individual device to its respective power cord, and instead laying them all on this here pad. It's 1% better, I guess. But the ultimate goal would be to not even have to charge something in the first place. My cell phone and Ipod should be able to charge by themselves without me having to "charge" them. Now that would be some impressive technology worth my $250.

  66. Great - works with Global Warming (tm) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has great potential going forward! Merely have some kind of chemical/electronic reaction which has improved performance as the temperature increases. Thus as we start to swelter, we'd have to charge our phones less (or our refrig's more)...

  67. this would be neat if.. by greywire · · Score: 1

    It were wider, and able to accomodate a bunch of devices. For me, this would be:

    My PDA, phone, and bluetooth head set. And my wife's PDA and phone. That's five devices. A nice little "dock" by the front door where we could plop all our devices at night and grab them on the way out. Instead of a mess of transformers and a power strip to accomodate them.

    Unfortunately as the article mentions, this wouldn't happen until the device makers all supported it. So they'd have to push for that first.

    Now, I would happily buy something like this for my laptop alone. Much less anoying than wrapping up my cord every day. Yeah, its a little thing, but still, way convenient. Not to mention my cord is wearing out...

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  68. for cars by stothec78 · · Score: 1

    would it be possible to use this kind of technology to wirelessly power automobiles?

  69. One good thing about wired chargers by programmerar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One good thing about wired chargers is for example when you're on your cell phone and the battery starts beeping, you just attach the wire and it charges WHILE you use the phone (i.e. have it pressed to your ear). Same thing goes with electric shavers...

    None of this would work with this wireless charger. Not that I wouldn't like one laying around...

  70. The problem by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

    with these types of chargers is that the charging pad needs a wire connecting it to the mains. Im not saying its not a fantastic idea , but to really make benefit of these things they need to be concealed in furniture and surfaces such as desks and kitchen worktops. Integration and ubiquity is the stumbling block that we will have to overcome.

    In reality portable devices have already overcome the problem of needing a wire once charged we are good to go. Its TV's , consoles, vcrs, hifi's and speakers are where I would be applying this type of technology. Plugging my phone into a convenient socket does not fill me with dread quite like the prospect of having to reach around the back of my computer or the spaghetti junction behind the TV. The person who solves these nightmares is the one that's going to make the real megabucks, because thats a problem that really needs to be solved.

    Nick ...

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  71. Still trying to takeoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have been around for a while. I even saw a device being demonstrated a couple of years ago, and it was quite impressive. Still, it seems to be taking time to get going - maybe the cost of the additions needed to the device are a little high? I don't know....

    Here's an article from 2003:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/19/battery_ma kers_to_try_splash/

  72. Damages and innovation by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 1
    Now we can look forward to yet another way to get brain cancer

    I don't think that such a technology would add damages to our brains much more than high voltage air power lines, radio frequency repeaters (TV, radio ...), cellular networks and Wi Fi.
    The real point is that we will still need the recharging station needing wires itself! Is there any really innovating company with a cell phone battery lasting, say, a couple of months? (No uranium, please)
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  73. Nothing New by Anonimus+Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Reminds me of something else I've seen before... http://www.afrotechmods.com/cheap/arnoldpad/arnold pad.htm

  74. wireless by hwk_br · · Score: 1

    I just know that I want one of these as a mousepad for my wireless mouse! \m/

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  75. anyone here ever owned an electric toothbrush? by cnkurzke · · Score: 1

    seriously? this is exactly how my good old "Sonicare" toothbrush bas been recharged, every day since 1998! so - how is this new?

  76. what next? by Finnegar · · Score: 1

    Right now this might not be so special, but think of what might come after. If all electronic products had this one kind of charger needed (as opposed to the dozens needed for even just phones, for example), and if you got the range up, you might not even need bateries in your shaver. You'd have this one thing pluged into a wall socket hiding under your couch or something, sending the power dirrectly to your devices. No batteries, cords or anything needed again. A shaver/TV/radio/whatever with no battery in it would be much cheaper, too...

  77. Splashpower is terrific! by Bozovision · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Splashpower is a really interesting company; a couple of students took developed a business plan for a competition. They won the competition and started the company off the back of it while they were still at university. They used an idea that they reasonably certain could be solved (they were both engineers) and started serious work once the funding was sorted out. They've received angel and venture funding.

    Splashpads are quite interesting in that they are active devices. When you drop something onto the pad, there's some communication that goes on between the pad and the device. The pad delivers power to the right place on the pad to recharge that device, and only that place. You don't have to orientate the device correctly, and there's no contact made. You can have multiple devces recharging at once.

    If you drop your keys onto the pad then they won't electrocute you when you pick them up. And they won't heat up. If you drop electronics that's not enabled onto the pad, then it won't get electrocuted either.

    There is a chicken-and-egg problem. On the other hand, I would not be at all surprised to see at least one cell-phone manufacturer adopting their system, and the first step in widespread adoption is to get individual manufacturers to commit to it. They also have the advantage that past a certain penetration point it becomes a de facto standard.

    There are several other competing companies. In my opinion the Splashpower system is one of the best and most likely to succeed providing they can move past initial adoption.

    Re braincancer. Deeply, deeply unlikely. Worry about the X-rays emitted from your CRT first.

    1. Re:Splashpower is terrific! by Your+Pal+Dave · · Score: 1
      If you drop your keys onto the pad then they won't electrocute you when you pick them up. And they won't heat up. If you drop electronics that's not enabled onto the pad, then it won't get electrocuted either.


      And if you drop your wallet onto the pad all of your credit cards' magstripes will be degaussed.

      Oops.
    2. Re:Splashpower is terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's the point; because it's an active system, no power is delivered where it's not requested. Your cards are safe.

  78. Just what I've always wanted. by neural+cooker · · Score: 1

    In addition to the cord I now can have have a recharger pad to take up space as well.

  79. Same ideas as Mobilewise by siliconvalleyenginee · · Score: 1

    Another dumb business idea. Bascially solving a $0.98 electric cord problem with a $20+ per device short-range battery charger. Every single one of your mobile devices needs to be modified to use this. Notice how beautiful that iPod mini dock expander looks with the Splashpower adapter? It looks like a tumor on that device. Multiply this for every mobile device you own.

    Oh by the way, a startup in Mountain View had the same lame idea (Mobilewise). Only their genius idea was to have a mousepad covered with conductive dots that you laid your device on. Your device would contact 2 random dots, and the pad would figure out which ones were connected via their magic power chip, and charge your devices properly. They died a merciful death after about $2-3M spent. Again, expensive solution for a cheap problem.

    Nothing here to see folks. Move along.

    1. Re:Same ideas as Mobilewise by Bozovision · · Score: 1

      In this room I count 4 devices that have their own transformers. They are all mobile devices. This idea doesn't work well for fixed devices.

      Transformers are cheap; $4-$6 each, so they win in terms of cost. However, it might be worthwhile to get rid of clutter.

      Yes, other companies tried to be and have been in the same space. This often happens. Some companies get squeezed out, especially when their marketing, funding or technology is significantly worse than the others in the same market.

  80. One serious question by Allnighterking · · Score: 1

    And it's sad that I have to ask. But wouldn't Tesla's family have claim to a number of patents in this area? After all the trasmission of power without wires was his #1 quest throughout his life. In the end this could really mess up this companies patent portfolio

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  81. thought on induction charging by the80y · · Score: 1

    Alot of devices perform their charging via induction. It is the same principal as when you hold up a florescent light tube under a high voltage power line and it glows. The electro-magnetic current induces a charge. At our shop here we recently had a lightening strike that hit a galvanized steel pipe that ran between our building carrying ethernet cables ( Iknow dumb idea,it is now underground in PVC and surge arrested.) Non of the ethernet it self was struck but the current that flowed through the pipe induce enough of a charge in the ethernet cable that it fried the Cisco switches on either end.

    The problem with using this tech that I can think of is similar to this. How do you control the amount of power that goes into the device ebing charged. I noticed that they had a little addon widget on the bottom of the ipod. This is most likely to add a more inductive area and regulate the power. Device designed to handle this form of charging have that built in. I have heard stories of a guy at a factory I worked at who would charge his nokia by setting it on the 440 lines there. Perhaps a platform that could have certain areas of it surface change the amount of current produce could be controlled by an rfid tag on the device. just some thoughts. cheers.

  82. High Costs by Stevyn · · Score: 1

    The article says these should cost from $15-$20 per device. So are we really to expect that Verizon or Cingular are only going to charge that? They charge $50 for a car kit for god sakes! This would be a really good idea to consolidate the mess of cables many people deal with, but this seems like another opportunity for Cell providers to charge ridiculous amounts for someone to work with one specific phone.

  83. Change is coming, oh yes... by Max+Nugget · · Score: 1

    They misunderstand. "Wireless" means "over the air," not "sans wire"!

    Come back when you can actually transit power through the air. ...on second thought, no, I don't really want to be anywhere near that, that can't possibly be safe.

  84. very old news by speculatrix · · Score: 1
    splashpower demonstrated their new product three years ago on mainstream british TV on "Tomorrow's World".

    their latest news page http://www.splashpower.com/news/latest_news.html shows they announced product in October 28, 2002: "Splashpower Announces Universal Wireless Recharging"

    I would guess that their problem has been signing up the manufacturers of PDAs and cellphones to actually build-in their product, and to protect their intellectual property as it seems to be an obvious solution (just like many of the best inventions).

    I once worked for one of the company's senior staff, John Halfpenny; he's a very smart guy, widely respected round Cambridge, a good businessman and knows his technology, so I've been following this product with interest.

  85. less loss is less loss by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

    I'm not one of the ones who said that GM shouldn't have used inductive charging, BTW.

    But either way, just because you lose some power in a wall wart doesn't mean you should go losing more somewhere else. Losses are cumulative, not substitutive. This device has a power supply of its own.

    Most of my personal wall warts are efficient, BTW. But I actually buy devices based upon power consumption (my power bill is half what my friends' are) and measure it with a Kill-A-Watt. Most people don't do this, and yeah, they probably have a lot of space heaters down there.

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  86. Bed side lamp by big.iron.wiz · · Score: 0

    A good thing would be not having to make the phone/iPod/gadget fisically toutch the "thing".

    But it still looks like a nice bed side lamp...

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  87. The 250 figure? by cgenman · · Score: 1

    A: Where is everyone getting $250? The article says the small pad will cost 30-40.

    B: My last trip I took

    An MP3 player
    A Cell Phone
    A Phone
    A handheld MIDI sequencer
    A Nintendo DS
    A Digital Camera

    I would gladly pay 40 dollars to have something that charges EVERYTHING I have and will have. This is especially true if it is one solid piece rather than dozens of little connectors to get lost and confused. As it stood I remembered the charger to half of my electronics, but still found my cell phone turned off most of the trip to conserve the prescious charge.

    The more wired homes get, the more wire management becomes a big issue. Being able to simplify down from 10 incompatible, random voltage wall-warts to 1 charging pad is a big help in that battle. 40 for that sounds totally reasonable.

  88. A better idea by marciot · · Score: 1

    I can't see the point of this, since it introduces a pad which we have to find a place for and yet another wall wart to plug in. Utterly pointless.

    A better idea... how about making it so we could quick-charge our devices by putting it in the microwave oven for a minute or two? Microwave ovens would be a really good source of high-power EM fields and we wouldn't have to have *yet another* device in our homes.

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  89. mod parent up by arodland · · Score: 1

    so that the forces of common sense may prevail over those of narrowmindedness

  90. Tesla did it first. by qbasicnewbie · · Score: 1

    Tesla had patents for wireless power 100+ years ago. Why is this considered "new"?

  91. Winding machines for self-winding watches by Animats · · Score: 1

    Could be worse. There are winding machines for self-winding watches. Little powered turntables. Really.

  92. Nothing new! by macraig · · Score: 1

    I have an ancient Braun toothbrush from the 90's - still working because I've dismantled and replaced the NiCad battery more than once - that uses the same "inductive" technique to recharge it. It has a tiny coil in the base of the toothbrush, and a larger "primary" coil in the holder being fed by AC.

    It's a deconstructed TRANSFORMER, nothing more.

    Heck, for that matter, I lately bought an "inductive" cooktop... which I understand has been all the rage in non-USA parts of the world for some time.

    So what exactly is new and unique about this?

    Mark

  93. Power efficiency by Tech · · Score: 1

    My toothbrush charges in a similar way. You have to put it onto its base but there are no electrical contacts which leads me to presume it is done by inductance just like a transformer, with one coil in the base and another in the toothbrush.

    I wonder how energy efficient this is. You get better efficiency by having the coils closer together, which is why the coils in a transformer are likely interlaced (forgive the lack of technical knowledge). Which means by default there is going to be more energy loss in a system where the coils could be millimetres (or more) apart. That's fine on a small scale, but when you have potentially millions of mobile phones and other devices, that could add up to a LOT of wasted energy.

  94. Potentially damaging article? by stickyc · · Score: 1
    "Now we can look forward to yet another way to get brain cancer."

    Given that the parent company is relatively small and not established, articles posted on Slashdot could potentially have huge effects on their market preception. Wouldn't the comment that their product causes brain cancer be considere libelous with potentially large damages at stake (since, AFAIK, there's no proof that it causes brain cancer)?