Just so you don't have to wait around at the end or kill it.
You know, come to think of it, I wonder how many times I've typed that line out to save myself a ctrl+c at the end. Scratch everything I said. Wow, I'm dumb.:(
Also, the National Association of the Mute is suing AT&T because telephones do not adequately provide for the communication needs of the non-speaking.
Your analogy falls apart. Deaf people can tunnel text over a voice channel and have been able to do so for decades, even back when AT&T had a monopoly on telephones. It's called a teletypewriter. Nowadays there's even a relay service to translate between voice and TTY modes.
Actually, since you mention it, relay services were mandated by the ADA (Americans with Disabilites Act) for all common carriers in 1990. I'm hesitant to agree with accessibility requirements as vague as portrayed in TFA for websites though. What exactly does "accessible to the blind" entail? Do sites need to be tested with screen readers? Does every bit of content on a site have to be accessible? Not to mention that this whole article reads like an advert for "
Mindshare Interactive Campaigns, LLC." I couldn't even get past the corp-babble on the front page of their site.
Side note: I never thought I'd mention relay on the internet without it being related to abuse of IP relay operators (I was an RO for about 5 years).
See that -f switch in the command you posted? That means force or in other words don't ask me to verify my entry. I certainly don't want software asking me questions I've already answered.
I think Novell's strategy with SLED isn't to bill it as a wholesale replacement for XP in the general desktop, but for "edge" workstations, like help desk people.
I dunno, I think helpdesk is about the only place I'd want to run windows (virtually or native). For troubleshooting (well, for everything else) I prefer linux, but when you actually have to walk somenone through something in windows you aren't terribly familiar with it's nice to verify that your instructions are correct.
Basically coinciding with their successful period. Wait, what? Humans have always been an extremely successful species. Humans lived all over the planet! Few to no natural predators. We can eat almost anything. We can and do live everywhere. We are non-specialized enough to survive almost anything. How in the hell can you say we were not successful prior to this tribe?! Because we were naked? Apes we were not and are not. Apes are apes. Apes became apes the same way humans became humans. And the same way frogs have become frogs today. And the same way oak trees became oak trees today. Etc, etc. By living in the ways that worked.[0]
Think about that. We were naked apes for 992,000 years. We were masters of the planet for 8,000. What happened? We changed the environment around us. All life changes its environment merely by living in it. You are talking about this tribe's fetish for control. That's a much different thing. Please explain to me how living in your way is better than living in the ways of humans 15 thousand years ago. 50 thousand. 200 thousand.
Masters of the planet? Hardly. But look where the quest to become as much as gotten things. "Think about that."
[0] Side note: This is how evolution occurs. And we have removed ourselves from that system by throwing it out the window and saying "No, we've outgrown that now. There's only one way to live and it's like this. All humans will now live this way, or not live. All life will now follow our rules, or not exist." The mythology of our tribe instills all these things in you. It says that all these billions of years of life and now, here we are. Phew, we made it. You can all stop now, no more evolving stuff needed. This is how it is meant to be, and we'll take it from here. The world was made for man (ahem, Man), and Man was made to conquer and rule over it. Life cannot go on like that. Try to live like that and you will be forever damned, and thrown out from the garden of life which brough you here. In fact the cousins of our ancestors back in the fertile crescent knew this. They even tried to warn others about it with a fascinating little story. You've probably heard about Adam and Eve. Man and Life.
How can the human race survive the next hundred years?'
Birthcontrol, ween of dependence on high energy consumption One of two problems exist here. 1) You do not understand the basics of ecology. 2) You are under the illusion that somewhere within very recent human time on earth, this species has magically transcended everything that has taken place for the last 3 billion years. With an increase in food supply, comes an increase in population. I don't care how loudly you can shout "BIRTH CONTROL!@$! WE'RE TOO SMART!#%!" Prove to me where this has played a role in any population, including humans and specifically our tribe, ever. As long as one of our tribe's foundations is to turn the world to human food, population increase will continue until there is a natural pendulum swing. And the further we push the pendulum one way, the further it will swing back.
ween of dependence on high energy consumption All life consumes energy. All life save for our tribe consumes what energy is needed, and returns it to the community promptly. I don't see any solution within the confines of this tribe that will allow us to do as you propose.
and colonise the solar system Hahahahahahahahahahaha I'm sorry I can't even compose myself to reply.
That's it. Just walk away. We need to give up this ridiculous and disastrous clinging to a way of life that is not sustainable. We are a tribe who has conquered the Earth, and believes that it has the right to go right on conquering. And we say "Oh, things suck right now? That's just cause we haven't conquered/enough/ yet. That's right. We just have to have more control. Then it'll alllll be better. Onward Christian soldiers."
This is not to say that there isn't a way human societies and tribes can work together to move forward in our knowledge and make life better for all. But we have to realize that where we are now is not better. And we all have to realize it. Without every member of our tribe coming to this realization together, the few still believing in these ways will only rise to try to conquer it all over again.
We are not the only humans to try this way of life that we've lived for the last 8-10 thousand years. The Anasazi tried it. The ancient Mayas tried it. They were smarter than us. They said, "Ok, we gave it a shot, but this sucks. Screw it." And they went back to living in ways that worked. Maybe many generations down the line they'll try a new way of structuring societies. And maybe that will work out better. Maybe not. But there's/no hurry/.
At any rate, I don't have any specific answers for how we can survive the next hundred years. How each person lives should be the way that works for them. But I do have a way we can not survive the next hundred. And that's the way we're going right now.
I talk about this author a lot, but only because I believe he introduces these ideas in a very clear and understandable way. I recommend this book highly. At least give the excerpt a shot.
Slashdot is probably not the best place to be trying to put these ideas forward. But by the gods, I'll tell it to anyone who will listen.
We are all members of a single tribe of humans dating back about 8-10 thousand years. We are all ancestors of the tribe that began the "agricultural revolution." The time when we decided that humans, after living for hundreds of thousands of years within the laws of life and being an extremely successful species, were no longer bound by those silly rules which make life work. Not only that, every tenet of our tribe says that we must live completely opposed to those rules. Not only that, but they also tell us that this is the only right way to live. The only way to be human. How many times do you hear the phrases (or use them yourself) being treated like a human being or acting like a decent human? Believe it or not, there is no such thing.
It is true, we are all decendents of Adam. Not in the literal sense, but look at it like this. The story of Adam and Eve dates back as far as we know to the beginning of history. History was begun during this time period. This story was not our story originally. It was a story told about us, by those who were living near us and saw how we spent our lives. It was their explanation for why anyone would live such a toilsome and pitiful life. "These people live as though they had the very knowledge of the Gods, believing they know Good from Evil. Believing they know what should live and what should die. They Gods have damned them for this, that must be why they would live their lives not in the way everything else lives; in the garden of Eden where all is provided. Instead they are cursed to forever live by the sweat of their brow, pulling their food from the ground. Do not live this way." That's what the story is about. We took the story as our own as we were conquering our neighboring tribes. That's just how we do it. Assimilate or destroy. Manifest destiny. For a recent example that's easy to relate to, look at our conquest of the US from the natives who had been here for a long, long time. It's just how our tribe works.
I go on endlessly. I think this is the most important thing in the world for anyone to realize. We are not humanity. We are one tribe, who have long overstepped our bounds in pursuit of a lifestyle that is not sustainable. And like the old wives' tale of the frog in boiling water, we're lulled to sleep as we burn alive. I would like nothing more than to spit out that damned apple and walk away...but our tribe will not allow this to happen. Nothing is allowed to live outside of our ways.
Gah, I lose my train of thought entirely and I have to go to work. Go read some of the stuff this guy writes on the subject. He's far more coherent on the subject than I.
I'll submit another "thanks!" I'm gonna pass that one on. The ESC stretch has always bothered me. I've hit C-c before by accident, but evidently never in insert mode.(Type:quit<Enter> to exit Vim, gah!)
Bless you sir.
This is the first time I've seen anyone really discussing this. I'm glad to see it. This is going to be an extrememly important issue in our lifetimes.
Scratch that. I'll be heading to my local bookstore for a reading comprehension book posthaste.
Do they make books about reading comprehension? That blows my mind.
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Just so you don't have to wait around at the end or kill it.
You know, come to think of it, I wonder how many times I've typed that line out to save myself a ctrl+c at the end. Scratch everything I said. Wow, I'm dumb.
That's exactly what happened to me. I had a twinge of "*sigh* there it is again" and was confused until I reread it a couple times.
Actually, since you mention it, relay services were mandated by the ADA (Americans with Disabilites Act) for all common carriers in 1990. I'm hesitant to agree with accessibility requirements as vague as portrayed in TFA for websites though. What exactly does "accessible to the blind" entail? Do sites need to be tested with screen readers? Does every bit of content on a site have to be accessible? Not to mention that this whole article reads like an advert for " Mindshare Interactive Campaigns, LLC." I couldn't even get past the corp-babble on the front page of their site.
Side note: I never thought I'd mention relay on the internet without it being related to abuse of IP relay operators (I was an RO for about 5 years).
See that -f switch in the command you posted? That means force or in other words don't ask me to verify my entry. I certainly don't want software asking me questions I've already answered.
They were probably looking for this: http://f0rked.com/flash/v=endofworld
I have nothing to add to your reply, I only wanted to state that it's good not to feel like the only blasphemer. :)
Basically coinciding with their successful period.
Wait, what? Humans have always been an extremely successful species. Humans lived all over the planet! Few to no natural predators. We can eat almost anything. We can and do live everywhere. We are non-specialized enough to survive almost anything. How in the hell can you say we were not successful prior to this tribe?! Because we were naked? Apes we were not and are not. Apes are apes. Apes became apes the same way humans became humans. And the same way frogs have become frogs today. And the same way oak trees became oak trees today. Etc, etc. By living in the ways that worked.[0]
Think about that. We were naked apes for 992,000 years. We were masters of the planet for 8,000. What happened? We changed the environment around us.
All life changes its environment merely by living in it. You are talking about this tribe's fetish for control. That's a much different thing. Please explain to me how living in your way is better than living in the ways of humans 15 thousand years ago. 50 thousand. 200 thousand.
Masters of the planet? Hardly. But look where the quest to become as much as gotten things. "Think about that."
[0] Side note: This is how evolution occurs. And we have removed ourselves from that system by throwing it out the window and saying "No, we've outgrown that now. There's only one way to live and it's like this. All humans will now live this way, or not live. All life will now follow our rules, or not exist." The mythology of our tribe instills all these things in you. It says that all these billions of years of life and now, here we are. Phew, we made it. You can all stop now, no more evolving stuff needed. This is how it is meant to be, and we'll take it from here. The world was made for man (ahem, Man), and Man was made to conquer and rule over it. Life cannot go on like that. Try to live like that and you will be forever damned, and thrown out from the garden of life which brough you here. In fact the cousins of our ancestors back in the fertile crescent knew this. They even tried to warn others about it with a fascinating little story. You've probably heard about Adam and Eve. Man and Life.
Plentiful food, a place to stay, and little to no threat of death?
Wow, awesome, sounds like the last few hundred thousand years of how humans have lived. 'Cept for us.
Call out Gouranga Be Happy...
Gouranga Gouranga Gouranga
That which brings the highest happiness!
How can the human race survive the next hundred years?'
Birthcontrol, ween of dependence on high energy consumption
One of two problems exist here.
1) You do not understand the basics of ecology.
2) You are under the illusion that somewhere within very recent human time on earth, this species has magically transcended everything that has taken place for the last 3 billion years.
With an increase in food supply, comes an increase in population. I don't care how loudly you can shout "BIRTH CONTROL!@$! WE'RE TOO SMART!#%!" Prove to me where this has played a role in any population, including humans and specifically our tribe, ever. As long as one of our tribe's foundations is to turn the world to human food, population increase will continue until there is a natural pendulum swing. And the further we push the pendulum one way, the further it will swing back.
ween of dependence on high energy consumption
All life consumes energy. All life save for our tribe consumes what energy is needed, and returns it to the community promptly. I don't see any solution within the confines of this tribe that will allow us to do as you propose.
and colonise the solar system
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
I'm sorry I can't even compose myself to reply.
The answer is this: walk away.
/enough/ yet. That's right. We just have to have more control. Then it'll alllll be better. Onward Christian soldiers."
/no hurry/.
That's it. Just walk away. We need to give up this ridiculous and disastrous clinging to a way of life that is not sustainable. We are a tribe who has conquered the Earth, and believes that it has the right to go right on conquering. And we say "Oh, things suck right now? That's just cause we haven't conquered
This is not to say that there isn't a way human societies and tribes can work together to move forward in our knowledge and make life better for all. But we have to realize that where we are now is not better. And we all have to realize it. Without every member of our tribe coming to this realization together, the few still believing in these ways will only rise to try to conquer it all over again.
We are not the only humans to try this way of life that we've lived for the last 8-10 thousand years. The Anasazi tried it. The ancient Mayas tried it. They were smarter than us. They said, "Ok, we gave it a shot, but this sucks. Screw it." And they went back to living in ways that worked. Maybe many generations down the line they'll try a new way of structuring societies. And maybe that will work out better. Maybe not. But there's
At any rate, I don't have any specific answers for how we can survive the next hundred years. How each person lives should be the way that works for them. But I do have a way we can not survive the next hundred. And that's the way we're going right now.
I talk about this author a lot, but only because I believe he introduces these ideas in a very clear and understandable way. I recommend this book highly. At least give the excerpt a shot.
Slashdot is probably not the best place to be trying to put these ideas forward. But by the gods, I'll tell it to anyone who will listen.
Tilting at windmills always,
userlame
want to help out the human race instead of being a drain on society.
The two are not mutually exclusive. You, like most, are very confused in mangling these two things together.
P.S. -1, Off-topic.
Replying to myself.
Wow, that did get pretty off-topic. Where I was going with that:
Yes, we do share a pretty shallow common ancestry. But it's cultural in nature, not geneological.
We are all members of a single tribe of humans dating back about 8-10 thousand years. We are all ancestors of the tribe that began the "agricultural revolution." The time when we decided that humans, after living for hundreds of thousands of years within the laws of life and being an extremely successful species, were no longer bound by those silly rules which make life work. Not only that, every tenet of our tribe says that we must live completely opposed to those rules. Not only that, but they also tell us that this is the only right way to live. The only way to be human. How many times do you hear the phrases (or use them yourself) being treated like a human being or acting like a decent human? Believe it or not, there is no such thing.
It is true, we are all decendents of Adam. Not in the literal sense, but look at it like this. The story of Adam and Eve dates back as far as we know to the beginning of history. History was begun during this time period. This story was not our story originally. It was a story told about us, by those who were living near us and saw how we spent our lives. It was their explanation for why anyone would live such a toilsome and pitiful life. "These people live as though they had the very knowledge of the Gods, believing they know Good from Evil. Believing they know what should live and what should die. They Gods have damned them for this, that must be why they would live their lives not in the way everything else lives; in the garden of Eden where all is provided. Instead they are cursed to forever live by the sweat of their brow, pulling their food from the ground. Do not live this way." That's what the story is about. We took the story as our own as we were conquering our neighboring tribes. That's just how we do it. Assimilate or destroy. Manifest destiny. For a recent example that's easy to relate to, look at our conquest of the US from the natives who had been here for a long, long time. It's just how our tribe works.
I go on endlessly. I think this is the most important thing in the world for anyone to realize. We are not humanity. We are one tribe, who have long overstepped our bounds in pursuit of a lifestyle that is not sustainable. And like the old wives' tale of the frog in boiling water, we're lulled to sleep as we burn alive. I would like nothing more than to spit out that damned apple and walk away...but our tribe will not allow this to happen. Nothing is allowed to live outside of our ways.
Gah, I lose my train of thought entirely and I have to go to work. Go read some of the stuff this guy writes on the subject. He's far more coherent on the subject than I.
Perhaps this isn't what you meant......but I was bored anyway.
I'll submit another "thanks!" I'm gonna pass that one on. The ESC stretch has always bothered me. I've hit C-c before by accident, but evidently never in insert mode .(Type :quit<Enter> to exit Vim, gah!)
Bless you sir.
This is the first time I've seen anyone really discussing this. I'm glad to see it. This is going to be an extrememly important issue in our lifetimes.
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Good reading: http://www.ishmael.com/Education/Writings/The_New
And some great books: http://www.newtribalventures.com/ntv/market/categ
Scratch that. I'll be heading to my local bookstore for a reading comprehension book posthaste. Do they make books about reading comprehension? That blows my mind.
...I concur, however...
I do not think that word means what you think it means.