I never said it was cheap, I didn't say you should stop throwing money at the problem...
Only that it solves the problem, and boost the economy:)
Okay, joke aside... it's hard to turn welfare services in to 50" plasma TVs...
Nevertheless, you can be sure that a few people will manage to do so, but not majority, not even a significant minority.
Just, a few individuals...
When you're really poor, you would prioritize knowledge acquisition
No, you should prioritize knowledge acquisition. But no human who works 40 hours a week (if not more) has the capacity to be perfect.
Again, it's all about priorities.
It's probably not impossible to climb the social ladder to the middle class with with priorities and hard work, just saying that it's so hard that for those who do climb the ladder it's probably more a question of luck, hard work and priorities.
Anyways, parents with very little to prioritize with, will often make mistakes (we all do), the difference is that their consequences is much greater than those we face... And it hurts innocent teenagers.
I remember having 2 pairs of jeans for 3-4 years
Try that with a teenager:)
- just saying...
To sum up: internet makes it easier to climb the ladder to the middle class, when some people who needs it can't afford (or prioritize perfectly) internet, society is the big looser as the poor will remain poor.
...Honestly, I believe we don't go looking for the problem because we are afraid of what we might find.
A need for more socialism: welfare, free education, solidarity, etc...
I'm sure all you Americans are afraid of that:)
Notice that poverty is one of the few problems you can solve by simply throwing more money at it.
So the solution is quite simple and foolproof, throw money that the problem.
I'm not saying it isn't expensive, but significantly fewer poor people is good for the economy in the long run.
I rtfa and am quite suprised by what passes for 'poor'. Seems more like people who don't know how to budget and set priorities. Judging by the amount of debt the US has, sounds like par for the course.
From TFA:
A third of households with income of less than $30,000 a year and teens living at home still don't have broadband access there
Families living for that surely can't priorities broadband... They probably priorities food, rent, electricity and clean clothes, is it even possible to pay for health insurance after rent, food, etc.?
I suppose it's about rewarding the responsibility the defendant shows by admitting his crime.
While, that makes sense, it should only be an option in minor cases.
Ie. when settling fines or charges less than 6 months...
The other problems is the accumulation of sentences, in many other countries the defendant may be found guilty on multiple accounts, these may carry minimum punishment, but the total sentence isn't necessarily an accumulation of these sentences, instead a judge is asked to make a fair decision.
That's why it's only in America you hear about people awarded 500 years of prison...
it should be illegal via sentencing the prosecutor to the maximum sentence of the charged crime for charging someone with a crime only to inflate charges.
Yes, that'll keep prosecutors from charging anybody with anything serious... how is that good?
Lessig said it "proportionality", I think that should apply both ways.
That said plea bargains are absurd.
Either you did the crime and you do the time, or you didn't.
Maybe countries don't have plea bargains, and usually only for minor offences.
Another bug, in you system is the idea that if you're guilty of two crimes, you the sentences will be accumulated.
In many other countries, the judge must make an overall sentence based on what is fair.
Accumulated sentences is just about throwing away the key.
1) Assurance that you'll actually get paid instead of completely ripped off.
2) Assurance that you won't be found out and brought up on legal charges.
3) The publicity that comes with Google publishing your name as someone who's better than they are at finding vulnerabilities.
4) The money.
5) The ability to sleep at night.
(Having a clear conscious isn't worthless, after all money is only money)
the employment of children in any work that deprives children of their childhood, interferes with their ability to attend regular school, and that is mentally, physically, socially or morally dangerous and harmful.
Norway and Sweden are very different; some conflicts even exist between the two.
Norway has a bigger territory, and has control over all the areas where there are natural resources.
Norway has a much smaller population.
Sweden has a more vibrant society and prettier girls.
Norway is much more rich thanks to all the oil.
Well, they're both former Danish colonies:)
Okay, joke aside (I'm a Dane of course).
Sure they are different in many aspects (language is just one), but when it comes to having a democracy that works and is trusted by the people, which is what GP talks about, Scandinavian countries aren't that different.
So whilst, Norway is an oil producing country, I seriously doubt the Norwegian government faked a study about global warming...
Anyways, maybe we should read the article and see if the summary is even right... I mean the conclusion of the study might very well conclude that we'll be cooked at a slightly lower temperature, but still very much cooked:)
(I'm just saying doesn't trust the media, especially not Slashdot, read the study).
If the "nerd" wants to push the Jews into the sea, I'm fine with being the bully. We should bully such murderous assholes more.
Don't the Iranians have a right to the opinion that Israel shouldn't be a state?
I'm not saying we have to agree with them, I'm not saying the US shouldn't help out Israel, if attacked...
But this is preemptive warfare.
Where does it end?
These hacks only postpone their nuclear program, and cause a lot of animosity...
The only option for true peace in the region is negations, all out war could stop a nuclear program, but it certainly wouldn't bring peace.
The payment card industry negotiates rates based on many things...
Agree... But as an indie developer, credit card payment will cost you around 3% + 30 cent (using Google Checkout, Paypal or Amazon...).
Surely, 30% is more... depending on the app price... But for apps around 1 USD it's hard to do cheaper on your own.
Unless, you're a big company.
Don't get me wrong, the teenager in me would love to see them do it... But from a business point of view pulling the plug is the equivalent of nuclear war...
Only things deep underground survives... In this case that would be cable.
If I were Google, I'd prefer to pull the plug on all of France rather than agreeing to push the first rock which would be almost certain to start a landslide that even I wouldn't survive...
The only thing Google can't afford is to pull the plug...
Suddenly, people would realize how dependent they are on Google, and migrate elsewhere in no time.
Sure, people will change provider, but that takes weeks and lots of time and most ordinary people won't get around to it.
Google can't pull the plug, I seriously doubt it's even an option. From a business point of view, that would be suicide...
Google can afford to pay up, it easier, whether or not they'll survive in the long run is a good question... But a slow death is better than a quick one:)
After all Googles business model can't last forever...
Yes, it would have been a terrible precedent to use that law for that purpose, but the fact she escaped any legal responsibility for her predatory behavior is also a terrible precedent. From my POV the US justice system failed to deliver justice in both cases.
I don't know the case, but it sounds like she was only guilty of harassment and the victim was dead.
The fact that the victim committed suicide doesn't change the crime she committed. Anyways, I imagine that harassment is hard to prove, especially with the victim being unable to witness...
I'm not saying what she did was acceptable, nor that it wasn't technically illegal, but that if you have free speech, convicting people of bullying can be very hard... And even when done, the punishment is often insignificant (after all bullying is a minor offence).
Bandwidth, etc. doesn't cost anything...
But credit card transactions is a big expenditure here... Try finding a payment provider that takes less than 30% or 30 cent?
Maybe you can get it cheaper if you are a big player like Apple, but when both Google, Amazon and Paypal are priced at 30% or 30 cent, I imagine that VISA and MASTER card prices are pretty much up there...
And now the Metric system itself is from the US? Who writes this stuff.
Agree, but as it turns out the US actually signed the Metre convention back in 1875 when it was founded:
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/laws/metric-convention.html
So while, it's hardly invented in the US, the US actually did participate in the creation of the metre, as in the standardization process.
I don't understand why there is a problem. We should require metric and allow both. Done.
Eventually (in 3 generations, I figure), companies will stop bothering with imperial. In the meantime, everybody wins.
Agree, that's the way to go... Personally, I don't think it'll take 3 generations... As soon as you have physics in high-school you'll start to truly appreciate the metric system.
I live in Europe and remember seeing American textbooks with entire sections on how to do unit conversions... Where as my book said, use SI base units done.
If Microsoft's allegations are true and there is no reasonably technical justification for it then there is nothing to celebrate here.
Of course, my first reaction was "payback's a bitch" like many others, but in the end a monopoly based on Linux is still a monopoly.
Agree, but Google didn't open their APIs to Apple... They created a youtube app for iOS.
I somehow doubt that youtube is profitable, and certainly not if an open API (without ads) is available, which is probably what this is all about.
I support FSF in most things, but this is an important feature.
Rootkits are a very real problem, and SecureBoot is a good step towards eliminating them.
Agree... I feel the same way, but I'm not familiar with how certificates for SecureBoot is managed...
As long as there is some way for the user to disable it, I'm happy. Although it could be a bit tricky to achieve that without breaking the security model. Perhaps a hardware switch that can only be accessed by removing a few screws from the case...
Imagine a world where the linux install guides says to lookup laptop manual remove skrews, etc... That's anti competitive...
Anyways, don't read the summary, the actual appeal is shorter and more correct:
We, the undersigned, urge all computer makers implementing UEFI's so-called "Secure Boot" to do it in a way that allows free software operating systems to be installed. To respect user freedom and truly protect user security, manufacturers must either allow computer owners to disable the boot restrictions, or provide a sure-fire way for them to install and run a free software operating system of their choice. We commit that we will neither purchase nor recommend computers that strip users of this critical freedom, and we will actively urge people in our communities to avoid such jailed systems.
I just signed, as surely I can promise I won't buy laptops that can't run linux:)
So it's not FSF against SecureBoot it is FSF against SecureBoot implemented so that Linux can't be installed.
How about sending a bunch of spam from a laptop at an open Wifi like Starbucks, where the spam is promoting UCEprotect.org. Send it to/through Gmail and other blacklist organizations. The goal being to get them placed on a spam blacklist...
How about considering the fact that 300 Euros is nothing to an ISP. But it's enough to make it infeasible for spammers to pay up.
Ever considered the fact that UCEprotect might be a legitimate organization? (I wouldn't know)
Sure, the telling people that they are stupid if they claim blackmail and thusly, will not be allowed to delist, might not be the wording a lawyer would have used.
But it's probably a lot less evil than the EULAs we click OK to on a daily basis, it least this one is honest:)
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN OPTIONAL OFFER ONLY.
YOU ARE LOSING YOUR RIGHT TO EXPRESSDELIST YOUR IP IF YOU ARE STUPID AND CLAIMING THIS WOULD BE BLACKMAIL, EXTORTION, SCAM OR SIMILAR BULLSHIT.
Also, note that this is an optional fast-track offer. It takes time for them to evaluate whether or not to remove your IP, if you pay that's certainly a good indicator that you're not spamming.
Now again, 300 Euro is of no significance to an ISP.
So what the story here, probably just that the wording used by UCEprotect could be considered unprofessional by some standards.
It's only a feel-good measure, that can stop only "nice" extensions which would play by the rules in the first place, and does nothing against malware or the operating system itself (looking at you, Microsoft).
Most of the crap toolbars people install for internet explorer are semi legitimate... They can be removed, often, you install program X it'll ask you if you wish to add toolbar Y to IE. The guys behind these toolbars pray on the fact that people forget to click, don't install this useless crap toolbar...
Raising the bar and forcing people to make the actual choice is a good idea.
Most of these toolbars are not removed by Anti virus, because they are perfectly legal, Yahoo toolbar is a good example.
Granted I haven't used windows for years, but back then it was a problem with IE, I wouldn't be surprised if Google wants to avoid that situation for Chrome... After all they used to make Google toolbar for IE, which is just as bad, so they should know what they are doing...
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I never said it was cheap, I didn't say you should stop throwing money at the problem... :)
Only that it solves the problem, and boost the economy
Okay, joke aside... it's hard to turn welfare services in to 50" plasma TVs...
Nevertheless, you can be sure that a few people will manage to do so, but not majority, not even a significant minority.
Just, a few individuals...
My crime was knowing someone who was playing with small black powder pipe bombs
10 years? :)
I suppose "small pipes" are really big in America
When you're really poor, you would prioritize knowledge acquisition
No, you should prioritize knowledge acquisition. But no human who works 40 hours a week (if not more) has the capacity to be perfect.
Again, it's all about priorities.
It's probably not impossible to climb the social ladder to the middle class with with priorities and hard work, just saying that it's so hard that for those who do climb the ladder it's probably more a question of luck, hard work and priorities.
Anyways, parents with very little to prioritize with, will often make mistakes (we all do), the difference is that their consequences is much greater than those we face... And it hurts innocent teenagers.
I remember having 2 pairs of jeans for 3-4 years
Try that with a teenager :)
- just saying...
To sum up: internet makes it easier to climb the ladder to the middle class, when some people who needs it can't afford (or prioritize perfectly) internet, society is the big looser as the poor will remain poor.
...Honestly, I believe we don't go looking for the problem because we are afraid of what we might find.
A need for more socialism: welfare, free education, solidarity, etc... :)
I'm sure all you Americans are afraid of that
Notice that poverty is one of the few problems you can solve by simply throwing more money at it.
So the solution is quite simple and foolproof, throw money that the problem.
I'm not saying it isn't expensive, but significantly fewer poor people is good for the economy in the long run.
I rtfa and am quite suprised by what passes for 'poor'. Seems more like people who don't know how to budget and set priorities. Judging by the amount of debt the US has, sounds like par for the course.
From TFA:
A third of households with income of less than $30,000 a year and teens living at home still don't have broadband access there
Families living for that surely can't priorities broadband... They probably priorities food, rent, electricity and clean clothes, is it even possible to pay for health insurance after rent, food, etc.?
I suppose it's about rewarding the responsibility the defendant shows by admitting his crime.
While, that makes sense, it should only be an option in minor cases.
Ie. when settling fines or charges less than 6 months...
The other problems is the accumulation of sentences, in many other countries the defendant may be found guilty on multiple accounts, these may carry minimum punishment, but the total sentence isn't necessarily an accumulation of these sentences, instead a judge is asked to make a fair decision.
That's why it's only in America you hear about people awarded 500 years of prison...
it should be illegal via sentencing the prosecutor to the maximum sentence of the charged crime for charging someone with a crime only to inflate charges.
Yes, that'll keep prosecutors from charging anybody with anything serious... how is that good?
Lessig said it "proportionality", I think that should apply both ways.
That said plea bargains are absurd.
Either you did the crime and you do the time, or you didn't.
Maybe countries don't have plea bargains, and usually only for minor offences.
Another bug, in you system is the idea that if you're guilty of two crimes, you the sentences will be accumulated.
In many other countries, the judge must make an overall sentence based on what is fair.
Accumulated sentences is just about throwing away the key.
It's not just about the money. You get:
1) Assurance that you'll actually get paid instead of completely ripped off. 2) Assurance that you won't be found out and brought up on legal charges. 3) The publicity that comes with Google publishing your name as someone who's better than they are at finding vulnerabilities. 4) The money.
5) The ability to sleep at night.
(Having a clear conscious isn't worthless, after all money is only money)
the employment of children in any work that deprives children of their childhood, interferes with their ability to attend regular school, and that is mentally, physically, socially or morally dangerous and harmful.
From Wikipedia citing The International Labour Organization.
So we're not talking about teenagers sweeping the floor in a factory after school.
Norway and Sweden are very different; some conflicts even exist between the two. Norway has a bigger territory, and has control over all the areas where there are natural resources. Norway has a much smaller population. Sweden has a more vibrant society and prettier girls. Norway is much more rich thanks to all the oil.
Well, they're both former Danish colonies :)
:)
Okay, joke aside (I'm a Dane of course).
Sure they are different in many aspects (language is just one), but when it comes to having a democracy that works and is trusted by the people, which is what GP talks about, Scandinavian countries aren't that different.
So whilst, Norway is an oil producing country, I seriously doubt the Norwegian government faked a study about global warming...
Anyways, maybe we should read the article and see if the summary is even right... I mean the conclusion of the study might very well conclude that we'll be cooked at a slightly lower temperature, but still very much cooked
(I'm just saying doesn't trust the media, especially not Slashdot, read the study).
If the "nerd" wants to push the Jews into the sea, I'm fine with being the bully. We should bully such murderous assholes more.
Don't the Iranians have a right to the opinion that Israel shouldn't be a state?
I'm not saying we have to agree with them, I'm not saying the US shouldn't help out Israel, if attacked...
But this is preemptive warfare.
Where does it end?
These hacks only postpone their nuclear program, and cause a lot of animosity...
The only option for true peace in the region is negations, all out war could stop a nuclear program, but it certainly wouldn't bring peace.
The payment card industry negotiates rates based on many things...
Agree... But as an indie developer, credit card payment will cost you around 3% + 30 cent (using Google Checkout, Paypal or Amazon...).
Surely, 30% is more... depending on the app price... But for apps around 1 USD it's hard to do cheaper on your own.
Unless, you're a big company.
Don't get me wrong, the teenager in me would love to see them do it... But from a business point of view pulling the plug is the equivalent of nuclear war...
Only things deep underground survives... In this case that would be cable.
If I were Google, I'd prefer to pull the plug on all of France rather than agreeing to push the first rock which would be almost certain to start a landslide that even I wouldn't survive...
The only thing Google can't afford is to pull the plug...
:)
Suddenly, people would realize how dependent they are on Google, and migrate elsewhere in no time.
Sure, people will change provider, but that takes weeks and lots of time and most ordinary people won't get around to it.
Google can't pull the plug, I seriously doubt it's even an option. From a business point of view, that would be suicide...
Google can afford to pay up, it easier, whether or not they'll survive in the long run is a good question... But a slow death is better than a quick one
After all Googles business model can't last forever...
Yes, it would have been a terrible precedent to use that law for that purpose, but the fact she escaped any legal responsibility for her predatory behavior is also a terrible precedent. From my POV the US justice system failed to deliver justice in both cases.
I don't know the case, but it sounds like she was only guilty of harassment and the victim was dead.
The fact that the victim committed suicide doesn't change the crime she committed. Anyways, I imagine that harassment is hard to prove, especially with the victim being unable to witness...
I'm not saying what she did was acceptable, nor that it wasn't technically illegal, but that if you have free speech, convicting people of bullying can be very hard... And even when done, the punishment is often insignificant (after all bullying is a minor offence).
Bandwidth, etc. doesn't cost anything...
But credit card transactions is a big expenditure here... Try finding a payment provider that takes less than 30% or 30 cent?
Maybe you can get it cheaper if you are a big player like Apple, but when both Google, Amazon and Paypal are priced at 30% or 30 cent, I imagine that VISA and MASTER card prices are pretty much up there...
And now the Metric system itself is from the US? Who writes this stuff.
Agree, but as it turns out the US actually signed the Metre convention back in 1875 when it was founded: http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/laws/metric-convention.html
So while, it's hardly invented in the US, the US actually did participate in the creation of the metre, as in the standardization process.
I don't understand why there is a problem. We should require metric and allow both. Done.
Eventually (in 3 generations, I figure), companies will stop bothering with imperial. In the meantime, everybody wins.
Agree, that's the way to go... Personally, I don't think it'll take 3 generations... As soon as you have physics in high-school you'll start to truly appreciate the metric system.
I live in Europe and remember seeing American textbooks with entire sections on how to do unit conversions... Where as my book said, use SI base units done.
If Microsoft's allegations are true and there is no reasonably technical justification for it then there is nothing to celebrate here.
Of course, my first reaction was "payback's a bitch" like many others, but in the end a monopoly based on Linux is still a monopoly.
Agree, but Google didn't open their APIs to Apple... They created a youtube app for iOS.
I somehow doubt that youtube is profitable, and certainly not if an open API (without ads) is available, which is probably what this is all about.
I believe the real story here is the fact that slashdot managed to correct the extremely exaggerated story they presented yesterday.
Writting "it's more complicated" is nice, but hardly a good apology.
Nevertheless, in days like these, let's take a moment to congratulate slashdot on a summary that's actually correct.
It's too often, that I find a different story, if I read beyond the summary.
I support FSF in most things, but this is an important feature.
Rootkits are a very real problem, and SecureBoot is a good step towards eliminating them.
Agree... I feel the same way, but I'm not familiar with how certificates for SecureBoot is managed...
As long as there is some way for the user to disable it, I'm happy. Although it could be a bit tricky to achieve that without breaking the security model. Perhaps a hardware switch that can only be accessed by removing a few screws from the case...
Imagine a world where the linux install guides says to lookup laptop manual remove skrews, etc... That's anti competitive...
Anyways, don't read the summary, the actual appeal is shorter and more correct:
We, the undersigned, urge all computer makers implementing UEFI's so-called "Secure Boot" to do it in a way that allows free software operating systems to be installed. To respect user freedom and truly protect user security, manufacturers must either allow computer owners to disable the boot restrictions, or provide a sure-fire way for them to install and run a free software operating system of their choice. We commit that we will neither purchase nor recommend computers that strip users of this critical freedom, and we will actively urge people in our communities to avoid such jailed systems.
I just signed, as surely I can promise I won't buy laptops that can't run linux :)
So it's not FSF against SecureBoot it is FSF against SecureBoot implemented so that Linux can't be installed.
Maybe it's the language barrier, but that seems like a lot of smiley faces and profanity for a professional organization.
Agree, that's the story here...
How about sending a bunch of spam from a laptop at an open Wifi like Starbucks, where the spam is promoting UCEprotect.org. Send it to/through Gmail and other blacklist organizations. The goal being to get them placed on a spam blacklist...
How about considering the fact that 300 Euros is nothing to an ISP. But it's enough to make it infeasible for spammers to pay up.
:)
Ever considered the fact that UCEprotect might be a legitimate organization? (I wouldn't know)
Sure, the telling people that they are stupid if they claim blackmail and thusly, will not be allowed to delist, might not be the wording a lawyer would have used. But it's probably a lot less evil than the EULAs we click OK to on a daily basis, it least this one is honest
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS AN OPTIONAL OFFER ONLY.
YOU ARE LOSING YOUR RIGHT TO EXPRESSDELIST YOUR IP IF YOU ARE STUPID AND CLAIMING THIS WOULD BE BLACKMAIL, EXTORTION, SCAM OR SIMILAR BULLSHIT.
Also, note that this is an optional fast-track offer. It takes time for them to evaluate whether or not to remove your IP, if you pay that's certainly a good indicator that you're not spamming.
Now again, 300 Euro is of no significance to an ISP.
So what the story here, probably just that the wording used by UCEprotect could be considered unprofessional by some standards.
It's only a feel-good measure, that can stop only "nice" extensions which would play by the rules in the first place, and does nothing against malware or the operating system itself (looking at you, Microsoft).
Most of the crap toolbars people install for internet explorer are semi legitimate... They can be removed, often, you install program X it'll ask you if you wish to add toolbar Y to IE. The guys behind these toolbars pray on the fact that people forget to click, don't install this useless crap toolbar...
Raising the bar and forcing people to make the actual choice is a good idea.
Most of these toolbars are not removed by Anti virus, because they are perfectly legal, Yahoo toolbar is a good example.
Granted I haven't used windows for years, but back then it was a problem with IE, I wouldn't be surprised if Google wants to avoid that situation for Chrome... After all they used to make Google toolbar for IE, which is just as bad, so they should know what they are doing...
They should just open source it
And you would be bitching about how companies just dumps products as open source and expect the community to fix it...
:)
The code is probably useless anyway...