Rehabilitate him, you say. Is he ill? Is he handicapped? Is he being manipulated? No. He made his choices and got caught. Now it's *retribution time*. Yeah, revenge. Criminals commit crimes deliberately, I don't see why we should assume that they are somehow to be "saved", saved by what I ask? Their own decisions? I lead a somewhat free life just like they do, they have always had a choice, they chose to commit crimes, and now they get caught and suddenly it's "think of the criminals" time? No way. Rehabilitation works for people who *care* about social acceptance. This kind of people obviously do not care.
However I believe that spamming should not be a crime. In the grand scheme of things... robbing someone is much worse.
Yeah, sorry about looking like I was angry at you for not "sticking it to t3h man":). What I meant is that one should never let this kind of behaviour go unnoticed - it is however imperative that you never lose your cool while confronting them, otherwise they'd you out for a GOOD reason! So yeah, you reached the same conclusion yourself, be polite and firm. AND leave them without making a purchase: double win!
Hate to brak the news to you, but he ASKED you to do something and YOU DID. Maybe grow a spine next time and tell him to call the police? He cannot force you to hand over your property (camera + pics) and if he tries you simply sue him, and you win.
Oh and in case you're wondering, YOU LOST. You ran away scared to another shop where they are kinder to you rather than telling him to suck it up.
The exchange students coming from your country. Totally normal people who wanted to study a bit, get drunk, party, explore, talk about everyday stuff and more important things as well. People with a personality. People that, sometimes, I thought should have studied a bit more in their younger years: to be honest I am always surprised at how little kids outside Europe are taught at school.
The spoiled brats on MTV. No comment here:)
The wide-eyed tourists I meet. OMG is my country beautiful! It's average, I guess.
The annoyed tourists I meet. OMG is my country badly organized. It's average, I guess.
The geeks on/., debating contrasting viewpoints in a relaxed atmosphere... kind of.
And all sorts of other people.
The people who take GWB as your representative are the ones that hate you unconditionally. They're a lost cause and you can't possibly hope to win them over. They're fueled by the EU propaganda and the fashionable antiamericanism that pervades our life - and they are blissfully oblivious to how American they themselves are in their everyday life.
But there are also smarter people, like me, who don't need to oversimplify and hate. You can rest assured that some people assess your actions critically and logically, and guess how you come out of that? Average.
Pointless wars?
1. Your latest war on Iraq has guaranteed that no sane country will as much as *think* of switching to the PetrolEuro ever again. HUGE economic advantage for you. 2. It has also set the grounds for convenient exploitation of oil wells in Southern Iraq. Considerable economic advantage. 3. It also managed to get a few terrorists killed. Smallish morale gain. 4. It allowed your gov't to gain more power. Again, huge advantage (ok, this only benefits them and not you).
So in what way was that all POINTLESS again? You can claim it's good/bad/expensive/whathaveyou but there is no way in hell is was pointless.
If he's smart enough to do that and not get caught, he can handle anything the net throws at him. Besides, it's idiotic to attack the vast Plains of Myspace when you can face your enemy at the Chokepoint of Reality - when your 14yo goes out dressed like a ho, you just have to know something is wrong.
Well, if you took the time to read your contract, you'd find that your ISP does not promise anything - bandwidth is best-effort at best and simply arbitrary at worst.
Besdies, YOU paid with your taxes and it didn't work out - maybe it's time to rethink this whole "let the gov't deal with it" strategy?
Demand goes up, supply stays the same: prices will rise. People will either pay a bit more for a good service (I would) or save and stay with the lower-bandwidth plans (most people would). Of course there's also the scenario where supply grows because suddenly the market is more profitable, so new investors enter it and drive the price down to where it was before; but this can never happen unless the gov't fully deregulates the market itself and we all know this will never happen.
I can see where you're coming from, but please remember that these guys are spending like $2 EACH, not the many Ks you quote. So, you should compare their actions to something else that costs a negligible amount of money. Like, eating those nuts rather than shipping them somewhere else:D
I guess it has never occurred to you that your duty when building a system is to provide your customer with the best possible choice for him, rather than forcing your own religion on him. And you call that ethics?
Whatever script you run when you decide to switch WiFi on, just put it in your/etc/init.d and create symlinks in the appropriate runlevels! Or add to your rc.local, whatever you have. Or use KDE's autostart feature and put it in there.
My post made it very clear that I respect and appreciate those OSs I quote, I think. I cannot understand why you think I was complaining about them. I also think you can read whatever you like in my post, if it makes you feel better about being a foaming-at-the-mouth zealot. I mean, just look at all the venom you spat. Finally, I believe that "leeching" is the word you were looking for.
Wow. I use the "the best tool for the job" approach rather than the Jihad approach and so I become a human being without principles, who kills dolphins, rapes Caribbean coffee harvesters and supports MS.
You have a very balanced view of facts!
Why does one always have to make this kind of choice? OSS vs MS, MS is t3h debul, wtf... Every time I build a system I assess its needs and choose the right OS for the job. Sometimes it's Win, sometimes it's Lin, sometimes it's BSD, but *never* does it become a religious matter. Why do you, and many other people, make one out of such trivial issues as what OS to use?
Right. I don't own any car manufacturing plant but I am not a slave to VW. I also don't have any CPU production facility, yet prices are falling every day and it's difficult for me to think I am being enslaved by AMD. I could go on forever showing how much your gov't regulated, police-enforced idiotic solutions do not work, never have and never will, but you would shield yourself behind your "I'm a socialist and proud of it". Maybe you'd like to take responsibility for the mass murderings perpetrated under Stalin yesterday and North Korea's gov't today instead?
Maybe - just maybe - we noticed that everything the gov't does could have been done better, chaper and faster by private companies or individuals? Besides, anybody who is not an anarchap supports, by definition, at least SOME amount of gov't interference in people's and companies' business and as such is a socialist. Yeah, I know you don't like being called as such but realize that's what you are, if you support public schools, police, transport, army, public anything.
Again, I would like to remind of the slippery slope argument. Supporting ONE kind of censorship equals supporting all of it. It's a very fundamental shift in your mental attitude, from "I will not allow this" to "It depends". Can't you see how this can be turned to evil?
As for the informant's life, yeah he would be dead in a heartbeat. And?
Organized crime can threaten my life, my possessions and whatnot, but only a gov't can restrict my freedom.
Perfectly. I understand that you support censorship of what you dislike and disapprove of censoring stuff you like. What people like you always get wrong is that "simplistic across-the-board brain dead approaches" are the only ultimate way to ensure freedom, because freedom either is absolute or does not exist. E.g. the USA do NOT enjoy freedom of speech currently (no other country does, either). It's got to do with the whole "slippery slope" argument which is, unfortunately, very correct.
BTW the gov't is VERY OBVIOUSLY the only thing in life that can imperil my freedom, seeing as it is the only entity that passese LAWS regulating my private life and property. Other entities can do their best but cannot pass laws regulating my every move and breath. And as for freedom from crime... it's so utterly ridiculous to expect a gov't to free you from crime that I won't go into that.
Why on Earth does there need to be an altruistic motive behind this action? Last time I checked, all that is not explicitely forbidden is allowed, unless you live in some backward hellhole in which case this kind of problem is the last in your list. This guy collected PUBLICLY available info, just like the anti-abortionists did, so there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing else needs to be taken into consideration - intent does not mean anything, I might wish to bash the anti-abortionists' heads, for example (and in fact I do), but that does not justify my imprisoning or anything UNLESS I also ACT on my desires - in which case I am punished because of my ACTS, not my INTENT. It all boils to free speech in the end. What altruistic reason is there for allowing to spout their obscenities? Yet, they are allowed to.
So basically, everything goes as long as it's somehow difficult or annoying to do it? But as soon as an automated system is up, then it becomes illegal?
Riddle me this, is it right or wrong to have the identifying information available in court orders etc? If it's right, this guy has done nothing wrong. And if it's wrong, it shouldn't have been available in the first place (AND you support oppressive, secretive gov'ts, but that's an argument for another day). Either way, it's not this guy's fault. Unless it's also Google's and pretty much every other entity on Earth capable of compiling a list of things.
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Rehabilitate him, you say. Is he ill? Is he handicapped? Is he being manipulated? No. He made his choices and got caught. Now it's *retribution time*. Yeah, revenge. Criminals commit crimes deliberately, I don't see why we should assume that they are somehow to be "saved", saved by what I ask? Their own decisions? I lead a somewhat free life just like they do, they have always had a choice, they chose to commit crimes, and now they get caught and suddenly it's "think of the criminals" time? No way. Rehabilitation works for people who *care* about social acceptance. This kind of people obviously do not care.
However I believe that spamming should not be a crime. In the grand scheme of things... robbing someone is much worse.
Yeah, sorry about looking like I was angry at you for not "sticking it to t3h man" :). What I meant is that one should never let this kind of behaviour go unnoticed - it is however imperative that you never lose your cool while confronting them, otherwise they'd you out for a GOOD reason! So yeah, you reached the same conclusion yourself, be polite and firm. AND leave them without making a purchase: double win!
Hate to brak the news to you, but he ASKED you to do something and YOU DID. Maybe grow a spine next time and tell him to call the police? He cannot force you to hand over your property (camera + pics) and if he tries you simply sue him, and you win.
Oh and in case you're wondering, YOU LOST. You ran away scared to another shop where they are kinder to you rather than telling him to suck it up.
You, as a nation, are represented by...
:) /., debating contrasting viewpoints in a relaxed atmosphere... kind of.
The exchange students coming from your country. Totally normal people who wanted to study a bit, get drunk, party, explore, talk about everyday stuff and more important things as well. People with a personality. People that, sometimes, I thought should have studied a bit more in their younger years: to be honest I am always surprised at how little kids outside Europe are taught at school.
The spoiled brats on MTV. No comment here
The wide-eyed tourists I meet. OMG is my country beautiful! It's average, I guess.
The annoyed tourists I meet. OMG is my country badly organized. It's average, I guess.
The geeks on
And all sorts of other people.
The people who take GWB as your representative are the ones that hate you unconditionally. They're a lost cause and you can't possibly hope to win them over. They're fueled by the EU propaganda and the fashionable antiamericanism that pervades our life - and they are blissfully oblivious to how American they themselves are in their everyday life.
But there are also smarter people, like me, who don't need to oversimplify and hate. You can rest assured that some people assess your actions critically and logically, and guess how you come out of that? Average.
Pointless wars?
1. Your latest war on Iraq has guaranteed that no sane country will as much as *think* of switching to the PetrolEuro ever again. HUGE economic advantage for you. 2. It has also set the grounds for convenient exploitation of oil wells in Southern Iraq. Considerable economic advantage. 3. It also managed to get a few terrorists killed. Smallish morale gain. 4. It allowed your gov't to gain more power. Again, huge advantage (ok, this only benefits them and not you).
So in what way was that all POINTLESS again? You can claim it's good/bad/expensive/whathaveyou but there is no way in hell is was pointless.
If he's smart enough to do that and not get caught, he can handle anything the net throws at him. Besides, it's idiotic to attack the vast Plains of Myspace when you can face your enemy at the Chokepoint of Reality - when your 14yo goes out dressed like a ho, you just have to know something is wrong.
Well, if you took the time to read your contract, you'd find that your ISP does not promise anything - bandwidth is best-effort at best and simply arbitrary at worst.
Besdies, YOU paid with your taxes and it didn't work out - maybe it's time to rethink this whole "let the gov't deal with it" strategy?
Demand goes up, supply stays the same: prices will rise. People will either pay a bit more for a good service (I would) or save and stay with the lower-bandwidth plans (most people would). Of course there's also the scenario where supply grows because suddenly the market is more profitable, so new investors enter it and drive the price down to where it was before; but this can never happen unless the gov't fully deregulates the market itself and we all know this will never happen.
I can see where you're coming from, but please remember that these guys are spending like $2 EACH, not the many Ks you quote. So, you should compare their actions to something else that costs a negligible amount of money. Like, eating those nuts rather than shipping them somewhere else :D
I guess it has never occurred to you that your duty when building a system is to provide your customer with the best possible choice for him, rather than forcing your own religion on him. And you call that ethics?
Whatever script you run when you decide to switch WiFi on, just put it in your /etc/init.d and create symlinks in the appropriate runlevels! Or add to your rc.local, whatever you have. Or use KDE's autostart feature and put it in there.
Don't hold your breath, as long as they have nothing to lose they won't wisen up.
Wow, you're such a tough guy, I'm impressed. No really. kthxbai
My post made it very clear that I respect and appreciate those OSs I quote, I think. I cannot understand why you think I was complaining about them. I also think you can read whatever you like in my post, if it makes you feel better about being a foaming-at-the-mouth zealot. I mean, just look at all the venom you spat. Finally, I believe that "leeching" is the word you were looking for.
Wow. I use the "the best tool for the job" approach rather than the Jihad approach and so I become a human being without principles, who kills dolphins, rapes Caribbean coffee harvesters and supports MS.
You have a very balanced view of facts!
Why does one always have to make this kind of choice? OSS vs MS, MS is t3h debul, wtf... Every time I build a system I assess its needs and choose the right OS for the job. Sometimes it's Win, sometimes it's Lin, sometimes it's BSD, but *never* does it become a religious matter. Why do you, and many other people, make one out of such trivial issues as what OS to use?
Not really, they'd simply buy a few boats and spend their lives fscking models.
Right. I don't own any car manufacturing plant but I am not a slave to VW. I also don't have any CPU production facility, yet prices are falling every day and it's difficult for me to think I am being enslaved by AMD. I could go on forever showing how much your gov't regulated, police-enforced idiotic solutions do not work, never have and never will, but you would shield yourself behind your "I'm a socialist and proud of it". Maybe you'd like to take responsibility for the mass murderings perpetrated under Stalin yesterday and North Korea's gov't today instead?
Maybe - just maybe - we noticed that everything the gov't does could have been done better, chaper and faster by private companies or individuals? Besides, anybody who is not an anarchap supports, by definition, at least SOME amount of gov't interference in people's and companies' business and as such is a socialist. Yeah, I know you don't like being called as such but realize that's what you are, if you support public schools, police, transport, army, public anything.
Again, I would like to remind of the slippery slope argument. Supporting ONE kind of censorship equals supporting all of it. It's a very fundamental shift in your mental attitude, from "I will not allow this" to "It depends". Can't you see how this can be turned to evil?
As for the informant's life, yeah he would be dead in a heartbeat. And?
Organized crime can threaten my life, my possessions and whatnot, but only a gov't can restrict my freedom.
Perfectly. I understand that you support censorship of what you dislike and disapprove of censoring stuff you like. What people like you always get wrong is that "simplistic across-the-board brain dead approaches" are the only ultimate way to ensure freedom, because freedom either is absolute or does not exist. E.g. the USA do NOT enjoy freedom of speech currently (no other country does, either). It's got to do with the whole "slippery slope" argument which is, unfortunately, very correct.
BTW the gov't is VERY OBVIOUSLY the only thing in life that can imperil my freedom, seeing as it is the only entity that passese LAWS regulating my private life and property. Other entities can do their best but cannot pass laws regulating my every move and breath. And as for freedom from crime... it's so utterly ridiculous to expect a gov't to free you from crime that I won't go into that.
No, but *thinking that a gov't should be let free to censor stuff* does. You might want to pick up the fragmented pieces of your sou^Whead now.
Why on Earth does there need to be an altruistic motive behind this action? Last time I checked, all that is not explicitely forbidden is allowed, unless you live in some backward hellhole in which case this kind of problem is the last in your list. This guy collected PUBLICLY available info, just like the anti-abortionists did, so there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing else needs to be taken into consideration - intent does not mean anything, I might wish to bash the anti-abortionists' heads, for example (and in fact I do), but that does not justify my imprisoning or anything UNLESS I also ACT on my desires - in which case I am punished because of my ACTS, not my INTENT. It all boils to free speech in the end. What altruistic reason is there for allowing to spout their obscenities? Yet, they are allowed to.
So basically, everything goes as long as it's somehow difficult or annoying to do it? But as soon as an automated system is up, then it becomes illegal?
Riddle me this, is it right or wrong to have the identifying information available in court orders etc? If it's right, this guy has done nothing wrong. And if it's wrong, it shouldn't have been available in the first place (AND you support oppressive, secretive gov'ts, but that's an argument for another day). Either way, it's not this guy's fault. Unless it's also Google's and pretty much every other entity on Earth capable of compiling a list of things.