Lol, quantifiable numbers are irrelevant to this trial. Just one dumb poster grandiosely waving his hands about tremendous financial losses justifying anything he personally wants them to is all. The court didn't make that claim, so the poster making that claim is just being an ass. I never claimed tremendous losses on the part of anyone, I simply said that the punishment was inline with the crime and the impact that it did cause. If the losses were tremendous then the punishment should have been tremendous as well. 10 months is hardly tremendous by any standard...
You compared him to a drunk driver and a thief. Comparing him to crimes which don't even begin to resemble what he actually did is ignoring the facts. That is probably the most ridiculous thing I have heard in this entire thread...
1) He IS a criminal, he admitted it, he was found guilty.
2) I compared him to other criminals http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criminal. The crime does not matter they still share the commonality of all being criminals.
3) Making a comparision is NOT ignoring the facts (or as you stated in your previous post "changing the facts" http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=278075&c id=20336815)
4) You have still not outlined one fact that I have changed.
For the record he did break the law, he was caught, he was tried, and he was sentenced... The end.
The ignition interlocks do not require you to replace your car with a supported model. They do not require you to replace your car's control computer with a model supported by the interlocks. They are installed and paid for by the enforcing body and there are many different certified brands and types. Farmers are not required to install them on their tractors either but those are allowed on the roads. Exceptions are made depending on the circumstances. So perhaps he should be fighting to have the state furnish a copy of a supported OS, instead of bitching about the requirement.
If you are sent to prison, internet access is supplied by the state. Computers are supplied by the state. Operating Systems are supplied by the state. Electricity, water, A/C, and food are supplied by the state. So you are suggesting he should go back? I am OK with that...
If they force him to use a particular OS, the OS and quite possibly the computer should be supplied by the state for the duration of the sentence. It might be the go cart of computers running windows ME, outdated and thrown out of a judges office after 6 years of service with 3 inches of dust, but it still should be supplied by the state. I have no problem with that but if he requires that he should ask.
On another note, this type of monitoring should be a network device, not a piece of software. I would agree with this but the state is not that technically saavy, so I doubt that it would work in application, but I would not be opposed to paying the ISP as a service to keep monitoring on the connection for the period of the probation.
First off drunk drivers could kill people, this guy didn't. That was so good of him to not kill people, that seems to me like he should be given some sort of award for that.
Secondly, this is like saying "I'm sorry sir, you've got to buy a Ford Fiesta because we don't have an ignition bypass for your sports car." Your analogy would make total sense if it were accurate and an ignition interlock would not work on car X as opposed to car Y. Please post back when that has happened.
Thanks, how about you let the grown ups talk for a minute.
He pled guilty... He threw himself at the mercy of the court, the court gave him 5 months jail, 5 months probation. He knew (or his lawyer knew) that the state determines the conditions of his probation... If he did not like that possibility he should have fought the charges.
Quantifiable numbers do not exist for every possible situation, therefore it is within the courts power to determine it on a case by case basis. If they did not do it in this situation then he should move for a mistrail.
Oh no they choose what they put on the book. That is sooooooo different.
Yes they do... And you choose who you put in office. Everything they do is in your name, that is how a represenative democracy works... If you don't like what they are doing in your name, then fire them...
I thought he was a pirate - "buy Windows"? That is his choice. He stated that he is unemployable anyways, so why would he "need" internet access at all? He could just as easily forgoe internet until he found himself in a more "employable" state. What did he expect when he pled guilty. If he thought he was innocent then he should have fought it in court.
I'll say it since no one else has, Ubuntu live CDs seem the way to go. That is also his choice. However that would most definitely be a violation of his parole, so he better be ready to deal with the consequences if/when he is caught. I don't want to see some inflammed/. post about the poor convicted felon who has to go back to jail because he violated his probation because the terms were not very fun...
The illegality of a certain action is not determined by the endangerment of lives. Certain actions are illegal simply because they are illegal, not necessarily because they are morally wrong or they can harm another. Some laws are grounded in reality while others are just on the books... If they are on the books they should be enforced. 10 months is fair for the crime committed whether is was morally justifiable or not.
The burden of proof was on the prosectors to show that the defendant had committed the crime (not that he had caused great harm). He was found guilty, then he was sentenced based on the actual harm done, hence the small 10 month sentence (only 5 of which were behind bars).
Perhaps we should have sentenced him to house arrest with free strippers. Would that be more fitting to the crime?
The fact is he committed a crime... You don't like it start holding your legislators accountable. Any government should not choose which laws it chooses to enforce, they are either on the books or not... Besides I think 10 months of total time served is not a huge amount considering the financial impact that he had...
Besides if someone stole your shit would you expect the cops to prosecute him if he/she was caught. It really shouldn't matter to you because you were only out money.
Lets just not prosecute anyone for anything unless it is shooting someone in the face or worse.
Actually he has not completed his sentence. His sentence was 5 months jail time and 5 months probation...
These terms are hardly arbitrary... He committed a crime with his computer and now he is going to have his computer activities monitored. This is the same as having ignition interlocks on automobiles in response to a DUI. When you are a "ward of the state" which you are while you are under probation, you do not have freedom, at that point you have actually had your freedom revoked. Probation is a tool for measuring your ability to fit back into society...
By the way, they did not "mandate" he use Windows, they simply said that his internet access must be monitored... Currently they only have the monitoring software for Windows, so therefore if he wants internet access he must suck it up and buy windows if he does not already have it... He has a choice, buy Windows or wait 5 months and use whatever he wants.
It is also important to point out that he received a shorter jail-term because of probation that was no doubt recommended by his attorney (due to the "non-violent" nature of his crimes). Now that he is on probabation he does not like the terms... My opinion is big deal, do you think a drunk driver wants to go to AA, have an ignition bypass installed? Besides he could choose to not use the internet for the remainder of his probation anyways...
OK so while I think it is incredibly fun to have to explain very basic things to people who are supposed to be fairly smart, it does get old... Thanks slashdot.
summary article
According to the article, which you so obviously did not read... "The new build, dubbed SP2c, includes no fixes or feature changes, but was created simply to address the shrinking pool of product keys." Therefore this is not a service pack, but is simply a patch, however they probably wanted a more obvious way of tracking it, so they are labeling it SP2c.
Have you applied the iPhone 1.0.1 update yet? Its made Safari a LOT more stable for me. Takes about a week for it to crash for me now. When it starts getting crashy by the way just power down and then turn on the phone again. So you are saying that you get all the benefits of a BSOD without the need for that silly blue screen or the Windows OS? That is totally awesome... Wow there goes Steve Jobs innovating again...
Besides everyone should have to reboot their telephone once a week.
the way I've been treated by them as a customer in the past, duh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duh
Duh implies the obviousness of a certain statement... I fail to see how the AC, could have possibly known how you have been treated in the past by Comcast. So if you did not outline this in your original post, then it must not be obvious.
I personally have had Comcast as my internet connection for over 3 years (in 3 different locations). With all of this I have never had an issue with Comcast Customer Service... This is mostly because I am able to tell them exactly what I need them to do in order to fix my problem... If you leave it up to them to figure it out you will have wasted a large amount of time and be left with a bad taste in your mouth, however this is no different than any other customer service, unless of course you made a mistake beyond all stupidity (i.e. forgot to turn on the PC).
Comcast is an Internet Provider if you want a more customer service centric organization then try speakeasy.net, which has (or at least had pre-best buy) the most customer service team out of all the ISPs I know of...
Oh any by the way congrats on your iPhone, and not using Comcast and what not personally I could care less, but I think everyone should be allowed to spend their money however they want.
You made a vague generalization. Then I made a vague generalization about the accuracy of all vague generalizations.
As far as the anecdotal accuracy of your previous posts, I was not disputing that you believe this. I happen to be one of the slashdotters who enjoy getting the most out of old hardware, I have actually never paid more than $350 for a system (and that one was a dual proc 1.4 with 2GB of RAM and dual video cards). However my point is simple. Slashdotter come in all shapes and sizes, some slashdotters like the new fangled gadgets, some like maximizing what they already have, some like letting their employer buy all the hardware, and some just like to experiment.
I would say that the only things we all (as in/.ers) have in common would be (1) a general love for technology (2) dashing good looks and (3) a way with women that can only be rivaled by James Bond.
Very rarely do I write something that is not in jest.
How about instead of spewing garbage, try coming up with a point and then backing it up with fact to strengthen your previous point.
Oh and by the way last time I checked Steve Jobs hasn't "developed" anything hardware or software in many many years, this is why his job title says CEO instead of developer, engineer or something similar.
As far as the buttons are concerned. I think the idea of the iPhone being buttonless (physically) is pretty good. I don't think we have seen if this idea will pan out over the long term and be dependable enough for the market, but I am pretty sure that the dependability question has been raised of many inventions over the years (early automobiles, light bulb, you name it).
I personally will not buy an iPhone. One reason is price. The second reason is that I want a phone that can call other phones. I don't need a phone that can access the internet (although if it had ssh access I might consider that feature), play music, play games, watch movies, download shit, or rub my balls. None of that stuff is necessary for me, so it is not worth my time.
I can't believe Apple isn't offering support for 64bit Operating Systems for my new iWatch. Other than that it is a great piece of hardware. Way to go Steve.
I would think just the opposite./.'ers like to experiment with really low end hardware and see how streamlined they can get linux distros on their computer. Many of them enjoy using old hardware and have a distaste for fancy effects such as compiz or vista. I think that is a vague generalization, and as is true with all vague generalizations it is woefully inaccurate.
Debit is simply there to make using credit easier.
Debit was created by the credit companies so that they take the spending money out of spending money. This is why the cards look and feel exactly the same. It takes away our sense of value. We are no longer handing over a $20.00 bill that we will never get back we are simply swiping a card that we get right back.
When people get used to using debit it becomes easier to use a credit card, because in reality you are just using a different piece of plastic. There is no connection between this card and money. I personally think that these financial services firms will continue to change the method of payment that consumers use to keep consumers off-balance and out of touch with how much they are actually spending.
Besides one of the downsides of the debit card is that you may only be protected from theft of any amount OVER your bank accounts balance (assuming the thief manages to snag your PIN as well).
You are 100% correct, however the problem with that is, that our legislators have no incentive to do just that. I mean seriously if they did make the companies liable the upside would be that they would get re-elected, the downside would be no free trip to the Bahamas. If they do not make the companies liable the upside is that the "Financial Services" companies will give them enough money to fix the damage caused by not doing anything, the downside is... Oh wait the only downside is nothing...
If I had mod points my friend your post would have them... This is probably the most accurate (however sarcastic) description of how things actually work on/. Bravo!
I am not trying to be snarky but... Why would a French Soldier take orders from the U.S. Government? Maybe there is a reason that the U.S. is up on its high horse.
I am currently training a new dog. He is an alpha male. If I do not put the dog on its back to show him that he has to submit to me then he will think of himself as the dominate one. Diplomacy is no different.
If your government keeps rolling over for mine, why on earth would you blame my government instead of your own?
And by the way... I for one humbly welcome our New Combined GPS System Overlods.
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1) He IS a criminal, he admitted it, he was found guilty.
2) I compared him to other criminals http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criminal. The crime does not matter they still share the commonality of all being criminals.
3) Making a comparision is NOT ignoring the facts (or as you stated in your previous post "changing the facts" http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=278075&
4) You have still not outlined one fact that I have changed.
For the record he did break the law, he was caught, he was tried, and he was sentenced... The end.
If you are sent to prison, internet access is supplied by the state. Computers are supplied by the state. Operating Systems are supplied by the state. Electricity, water, A/C, and food are supplied by the state. So you are suggesting he should go back? I am OK with that...
If they force him to use a particular OS, the OS and quite possibly the computer should be supplied by the state for the duration of the sentence. It might be the go cart of computers running windows ME, outdated and thrown out of a judges office after 6 years of service with 3 inches of dust, but it still should be supplied by the state. I have no problem with that but if he requires that he should ask.
On another note, this type of monitoring should be a network device, not a piece of software. I would agree with this but the state is not that technically saavy, so I doubt that it would work in application, but I would not be opposed to paying the ISP as a service to keep monitoring on the connection for the period of the probation.
Secondly, this is like saying "I'm sorry sir, you've got to buy a Ford Fiesta because we don't have an ignition bypass for your sports car." Your analogy would make total sense if it were accurate and an ignition interlock would not work on car X as opposed to car Y. Please post back when that has happened.
Thanks, how about you let the grown ups talk for a minute.
He pled guilty... He threw himself at the mercy of the court, the court gave him 5 months jail, 5 months probation. He knew (or his lawyer knew) that the state determines the conditions of his probation... If he did not like that possibility he should have fought the charges.
Quantifiable numbers do not exist for every possible situation, therefore it is within the courts power to determine it on a case by case basis. If they did not do it in this situation then he should move for a mistrail.
Yes they do... And you choose who you put in office. Everything they do is in your name, that is how a represenative democracy works... If you don't like what they are doing in your name, then fire them...
Do you care to elaborate on which basic facts that I have changed? Or would you rather make hyped-up allegations?
That is his choice. He stated that he is unemployable anyways, so why would he "need" internet access at all? He could just as easily forgoe internet until he found himself in a more "employable" state. What did he expect when he pled guilty. If he thought he was innocent then he should have fought it in court.
I'll say it since no one else has, Ubuntu live CDs seem the way to go.
That is also his choice. However that would most definitely be a violation of his parole, so he better be ready to deal with the consequences if/when he is caught. I don't want to see some inflammed
The illegality of a certain action is not determined by the endangerment of lives. Certain actions are illegal simply because they are illegal, not necessarily because they are morally wrong or they can harm another. Some laws are grounded in reality while others are just on the books... If they are on the books they should be enforced. 10 months is fair for the crime committed whether is was morally justifiable or not.
The burden of proof was on the prosectors to show that the defendant had committed the crime (not that he had caused great harm). He was found guilty, then he was sentenced based on the actual harm done, hence the small 10 month sentence (only 5 of which were behind bars).
Perhaps we should have sentenced him to house arrest with free strippers. Would that be more fitting to the crime?
The fact is he committed a crime... You don't like it start holding your legislators accountable. Any government should not choose which laws it chooses to enforce, they are either on the books or not... Besides I think 10 months of total time served is not a huge amount considering the financial impact that he had...
Besides if someone stole your shit would you expect the cops to prosecute him if he/she was caught. It really shouldn't matter to you because you were only out money.
Lets just not prosecute anyone for anything unless it is shooting someone in the face or worse.
Actually he has not completed his sentence. His sentence was 5 months jail time and 5 months probation...
These terms are hardly arbitrary... He committed a crime with his computer and now he is going to have his computer activities monitored. This is the same as having ignition interlocks on automobiles in response to a DUI. When you are a "ward of the state" which you are while you are under probation, you do not have freedom, at that point you have actually had your freedom revoked. Probation is a tool for measuring your ability to fit back into society...
By the way, they did not "mandate" he use Windows, they simply said that his internet access must be monitored... Currently they only have the monitoring software for Windows, so therefore if he wants internet access he must suck it up and buy windows if he does not already have it... He has a choice, buy Windows or wait 5 months and use whatever he wants.
No pity here.
It is also important to point out that he received a shorter jail-term because of probation that was no doubt recommended by his attorney (due to the "non-violent" nature of his crimes). Now that he is on probabation he does not like the terms... My opinion is big deal, do you think a drunk driver wants to go to AA, have an ignition bypass installed? Besides he could choose to not use the internet for the remainder of his probation anyways...
Nothing to see here.
OK so while I think it is incredibly fun to have to explain very basic things to people who are supposed to be fairly smart, it does get old... Thanks slashdot.
summary article
According to the article, which you so obviously did not read... "The new build, dubbed SP2c, includes no fixes or feature changes, but was created simply to address the shrinking pool of product keys." Therefore this is not a service pack, but is simply a patch, however they probably wanted a more obvious way of tracking it, so they are labeling it SP2c.
Besides everyone should have to reboot their telephone once a week.
Duh implies the obviousness of a certain statement... I fail to see how the AC, could have possibly known how you have been treated in the past by Comcast. So if you did not outline this in your original post, then it must not be obvious.
I personally have had Comcast as my internet connection for over 3 years (in 3 different locations). With all of this I have never had an issue with Comcast Customer Service... This is mostly because I am able to tell them exactly what I need them to do in order to fix my problem... If you leave it up to them to figure it out you will have wasted a large amount of time and be left with a bad taste in your mouth, however this is no different than any other customer service, unless of course you made a mistake beyond all stupidity (i.e. forgot to turn on the PC).
Comcast is an Internet Provider if you want a more customer service centric organization then try speakeasy.net, which has (or at least had pre-best buy) the most customer service team out of all the ISPs I know of...
Oh any by the way congrats on your iPhone, and not using Comcast and what not personally I could care less, but I think everyone should be allowed to spend their money however they want.
OK so apparently you missed the joke.
/.ers) have in common would be (1) a general love for technology (2) dashing good looks and (3) a way with women that can only be rivaled by James Bond.
You made a vague generalization. Then I made a vague generalization about the accuracy of all vague generalizations.
As far as the anecdotal accuracy of your previous posts, I was not disputing that you believe this. I happen to be one of the slashdotters who enjoy getting the most out of old hardware, I have actually never paid more than $350 for a system (and that one was a dual proc 1.4 with 2GB of RAM and dual video cards). However my point is simple. Slashdotter come in all shapes and sizes, some slashdotters like the new fangled gadgets, some like maximizing what they already have, some like letting their employer buy all the hardware, and some just like to experiment.
I would say that the only things we all (as in
Very rarely do I write something that is not in jest.
Well another day at Slashdot.
How about instead of spewing garbage, try coming up with a point and then backing it up with fact to strengthen your previous point.
Oh and by the way last time I checked Steve Jobs hasn't "developed" anything hardware or software in many many years, this is why his job title says CEO instead of developer, engineer or something similar.
As far as the buttons are concerned. I think the idea of the iPhone being buttonless (physically) is pretty good. I don't think we have seen if this idea will pan out over the long term and be dependable enough for the market, but I am pretty sure that the dependability question has been raised of many inventions over the years (early automobiles, light bulb, you name it).
I personally will not buy an iPhone. One reason is price. The second reason is that I want a phone that can call other phones. I don't need a phone that can access the internet (although if it had ssh access I might consider that feature), play music, play games, watch movies, download shit, or rub my balls. None of that stuff is necessary for me, so it is not worth my time.
I can't believe Apple isn't offering support for 64bit Operating Systems for my new iWatch. Other than that it is a great piece of hardware. Way to go Steve.
Debit is simply there to make using credit easier.
Debit was created by the credit companies so that they take the spending money out of spending money. This is why the cards look and feel exactly the same. It takes away our sense of value. We are no longer handing over a $20.00 bill that we will never get back we are simply swiping a card that we get right back.
When people get used to using debit it becomes easier to use a credit card, because in reality you are just using a different piece of plastic. There is no connection between this card and money. I personally think that these financial services firms will continue to change the method of payment that consumers use to keep consumers off-balance and out of touch with how much they are actually spending.
Besides one of the downsides of the debit card is that you may only be protected from theft of any amount OVER your bank accounts balance (assuming the thief manages to snag your PIN as well).
You are 100% correct, however the problem with that is, that our legislators have no incentive to do just that. I mean seriously if they did make the companies liable the upside would be that they would get re-elected, the downside would be no free trip to the Bahamas. If they do not make the companies liable the upside is that the "Financial Services" companies will give them enough money to fix the damage caused by not doing anything, the downside is... Oh wait the only downside is nothing...
If I had mod points my friend your post would have them... This is probably the most accurate (however sarcastic) description of how things actually work on /. Bravo!
So it took MIT to invent "Space Spandex."
So tell me again what you get when you take 5 grad students with a Lance Armstrong fetish and an affection for NASA, and how does it better society?
I am not trying to be snarky but... Why would a French Soldier take orders from the U.S. Government? Maybe there is a reason that the U.S. is up on its high horse.
I am currently training a new dog. He is an alpha male. If I do not put the dog on its back to show him that he has to submit to me then he will think of himself as the dominate one. Diplomacy is no different.
If your government keeps rolling over for mine, why on earth would you blame my government instead of your own?
And by the way... I for one humbly welcome our New Combined GPS System Overlods.