one can argue that the profits earned by the oil&gas companies will be re-invested
Where it is certain petrol tax would be reinvested in nationally-based projects, there is very little certainty with regards to whether oil & gas companies would focus investment within the United States.
I'd also like to state that a solution that may still be possible in the United States is to introduce significant petrol taxes as Europe has done. However, the chances of this happening are zero.
If you raise the price of gas, less will be consumed, that's an indisputable fact.
I'm not arguing with the logic here. But the other fact that needs to be considered is that public transit is not nearly as well funded in the US as it is in Europe and elsewhere. This, in combination with the ruralized nature of many states, creates a situation where a pretty significant amount of fuel consumption is necessary. Over the long term, this may find greater balance in the event of large fuel-price increases, but the recourse to alternative methods is not available to nearly the degree it would need to be in order to offset a large negative impact in the short term and extending into the medium term. In turn, the impact may be significant enough to create a downward spiral with global ramifications. I would think this possibility would be serious enough that anyone would want to pay some attention to it.
Depends where the money is going. If it's going within the country, then the overall spending won't decrease
Considering the current necessity for oil and gas companies to invest worldwide in order to maintain profitability, I'd have to say there are no gauruntees in this regard. If Shell's new shale extraction methodology proves significantly fruitful, then there may be an argument to be made here. But, that has yet to be seen.
One benefit is that fewer people will burn the fuel, so the Earth will be polluted less.
Well, that's one theory. Another theory is that people will continue to buy gas in quantity, but significant portion of the population will be spending such a large part of their income on fuel that they won't have enough disposable income to continue driving the economy. This, in combination with drastically increasing shipping fees due to fuel costs, will create an environment ripe for a recession.
The fuel prices in the UK are high due to high taxation of fuel. Thus, the extra cost is reinvested to the public's benefit.
Therefore, essentially your entire argument has no relevance. If you have a situation, as could happen in the US in the near future, where money for fuel is not reinvested because it's not being taxed and the profits go straight to petrol companies, then you most certainly could get a recession.
There are many reasons for the high level of fuel consumption in the United States. Some of them are understandable, others are reprehensible, but I would suggest you give yourself a greater education on the matter before you bother commenting so authoritatively.
Care to explain how raising gas taxes would launch a recession?
If you'd taken a look at the parent I was responding to, you would have seen that nowhere were gas taxes mentioned. Here's a brief refresher:
Personally I wish gas was more expensive, so people would be forced to take mass transit.
If we were talking about petrol taxes here, then that would be one thing. But, as it stands currently, we're just talking about people paying more for fuel.
No, all it requires is a minor change to "Herbert the Female Cow" to avoid confusion.
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"So, uh, Jim? How're we supposed to be doing this?"
"Like this, mofo! You just stick this here heater to this here ice, and we terraform it's ass!"
"Ok, that's great and all. But, I fail to see the, uh, point."
"Because we terraforming it's ass, biatch!"
"We'll, uh, yeah, and I'm 100% for that you know, but, uh, it looks like we're just creating a bunch of steam."
"Because we terraforming it's ass!"
"Uh, yeah... But after we're done, you know, 'terraforming it's ass,' will that really, uh, make any difference?"
"Man, you just a hater! We terraforming this mofo and then we terraforming that mofo! Pretty soon, we terraforming so many mofos that even you get yourself a hot ass!"
"Well, uh sure, just seems like it might take awhile."
"Damn straight! You been cold since your mother squeezed you out. Like an ice-dispenser!"
"Uh, right. Hey, uh, listen, I'm gonna go in for some coffee."
"Sure, you go in for your coffee or whatever, but, remember, 'we terraforming it's ass!'"
"I'll, uh, be sure to keep that in mind."
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I chalange you to find a 20 mile lake on earth that you didn't know about before. using google maps
I already did that when I was cruising over Australia the other day. Man, that was easy to do. Can't you think up a harder challenge?
And you're also a fucking moron (as evidenced by your cowardly nick, and also evidenced by your stupid attitude of judging people based upon their nicks).
And yes, you're additionally a fucking moron since you obviously don't know how to run a stable version of Linux on your desktop. Now get back to being an asshole. Oh wait, I forgot you never take a break from that.
Oh, and look at the stability of Linux. Oh whoops, what I meant to say was, Apple rules and anybody who says differently is just like totally wrong and stuff!
You need say nothing further. It is quite apparent that you really don't have any idea what you're talking about and are a devout Mac Zealot. So, congratulations on your zealotry. I hope it gets you far.
Linux is a Unix. AIX is a Unix, but Linux is not AIX.
Wait a second. Linux is Posix-compliant, but it's not Unix (I realize there are people who might argue otherwise, but I'm going with the commonplace view here). And I don't see how "Suva is a Freon" either. That's like saying "nylon is a rayon" or some other nonsense.
A post who compares the death of 11 million + pepole based on their religion to laws that are stupid yet put in place by a democracy is now telling me that ray guns are coming to take away our political rights?
X proves Y because I say so! The sword of logic cuts both ways. And (to mix in another metaphor), it appears as though your house is less than opaque and primarily composed of silicon dioxide.
ATM machine is the machine which dispenses the ATMs
Dude, I so want one of these. I'd just start sticking ATMs in random places. In fact, if done right, this is probably a reasonably good way to take over the world, or cause massive mobs of enraged tourists whose cards were eaten, or both. Think of the possibilities!
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I do prefer using Linux for most things. But I don't have a problem using Windows for the reasons I stated in my original post.
Slashdot Mirror
Chances of someone I know serving on a submarine being killed in a combat situation = .0000001%
Chances of the world whale population being significantly decreased due to some stupid new sonic toy = very likely
What was your point again?
Toyota Landcruiser all the way. If it can handle the Kimberley, it can hand anything.
That said, if you live in a big city, you have no business buying one.
one can argue that the profits earned by the oil&gas companies will be re-invested
Where it is certain petrol tax would be reinvested in nationally-based projects, there is very little certainty with regards to whether oil & gas companies would focus investment within the United States.
I'd also like to state that a solution that may still be possible in the United States is to introduce significant petrol taxes as Europe has done. However, the chances of this happening are zero.
If you raise the price of gas, less will be consumed, that's an indisputable fact.
I'm not arguing with the logic here. But the other fact that needs to be considered is that public transit is not nearly as well funded in the US as it is in Europe and elsewhere. This, in combination with the ruralized nature of many states, creates a situation where a pretty significant amount of fuel consumption is necessary. Over the long term, this may find greater balance in the event of large fuel-price increases, but the recourse to alternative methods is not available to nearly the degree it would need to be in order to offset a large negative impact in the short term and extending into the medium term. In turn, the impact may be significant enough to create a downward spiral with global ramifications. I would think this possibility would be serious enough that anyone would want to pay some attention to it.
Depends where the money is going. If it's going within the country, then the overall spending won't decrease
Considering the current necessity for oil and gas companies to invest worldwide in order to maintain profitability, I'd have to say there are no gauruntees in this regard. If Shell's new shale extraction methodology proves significantly fruitful, then there may be an argument to be made here. But, that has yet to be seen.
One benefit is that fewer people will burn the fuel, so the Earth will be polluted less.
Well, that's one theory. Another theory is that people will continue to buy gas in quantity, but significant portion of the population will be spending such a large part of their income on fuel that they won't have enough disposable income to continue driving the economy. This, in combination with drastically increasing shipping fees due to fuel costs, will create an environment ripe for a recession.
The fuel prices in the UK are high due to high taxation of fuel. Thus, the extra cost is reinvested to the public's benefit.
Therefore, essentially your entire argument has no relevance. If you have a situation, as could happen in the US in the near future, where money for fuel is not reinvested because it's not being taxed and the profits go straight to petrol companies, then you most certainly could get a recession.
There are many reasons for the high level of fuel consumption in the United States. Some of them are understandable, others are reprehensible, but I would suggest you give yourself a greater education on the matter before you bother commenting so authoritatively.
Care to explain how raising gas taxes would launch a recession?
If you'd taken a look at the parent I was responding to, you would have seen that nowhere were gas taxes mentioned. Here's a brief refresher:
Personally I wish gas was more expensive, so people would be forced to take mass transit.
If we were talking about petrol taxes here, then that would be one thing. But, as it stands currently, we're just talking about people paying more for fuel.
So, care to explain what the benefit is of that?
The EU puts extraordinary taxes on its petrol. Thus, much of the money that pays for fuel is then reinvested in things like public transit.
In the US, all of the money for petrol goes straight into the pocket of some monopolistic oil magnate.
So, that's the basic difference.
Personally I wish gas was more expensive
Yeah! That way, the economy would be launched into a recession and we'd all lose our jobs!
Oh wait...
Really, just a massive airdrop of sponges over the city, et voila, your problem, she is solved!
One word: 'disgusting'
They laugh, but Nike would be an appropriate name if it weren't located in Hades.
No, all it requires is a minor change to "Herbert the Female Cow" to avoid confusion.
"So, uh, Jim? How're we supposed to be doing this?"
"Like this, mofo! You just stick this here heater to this here ice, and we terraform it's ass!"
"Ok, that's great and all. But, I fail to see the, uh, point."
"Because we terraforming it's ass, biatch!"
"We'll, uh, yeah, and I'm 100% for that you know, but, uh, it looks like we're just creating a bunch of steam."
"Because we terraforming it's ass!"
"Uh, yeah... But after we're done, you know, 'terraforming it's ass,' will that really, uh, make any difference?"
"Man, you just a hater! We terraforming this mofo and then we terraforming that mofo! Pretty soon, we terraforming so many mofos that even you get yourself a hot ass!"
"Well, uh sure, just seems like it might take awhile."
"Damn straight! You been cold since your mother squeezed you out. Like an ice-dispenser!"
"Uh, right. Hey, uh, listen, I'm gonna go in for some coffee."
"Sure, you go in for your coffee or whatever, but, remember, 'we terraforming it's ass!'"
"I'll, uh, be sure to keep that in mind."
I chalange you to find a 20 mile lake on earth that you didn't know about before. using google maps
I already did that when I was cruising over Australia the other day. Man, that was easy to do. Can't you think up a harder challenge?
And you're also a fucking moron (as evidenced by your cowardly nick, and also evidenced by your stupid attitude of judging people based upon their nicks).
And yes, you're additionally a fucking moron since you obviously don't know how to run a stable version of Linux on your desktop. Now get back to being an asshole. Oh wait, I forgot you never take a break from that.
Oh, and look at the stability of Linux. Oh whoops, what I meant to say was, Apple rules and anybody who says differently is just like totally wrong and stuff!
You need say nothing further. It is quite apparent that you really don't have any idea what you're talking about and are a devout Mac Zealot. So, congratulations on your zealotry. I hope it gets you far.
Linux is a Unix. AIX is a Unix, but Linux is not AIX.
Wait a second. Linux is Posix-compliant, but it's not Unix (I realize there are people who might argue otherwise, but I'm going with the commonplace view here). And I don't see how "Suva is a Freon" either. That's like saying "nylon is a rayon" or some other nonsense.
A post who compares the death of 11 million + pepole based on their religion to laws that are stupid yet put in place by a democracy is now telling me that ray guns are coming to take away our political rights?
X proves Y because I say so! The sword of logic cuts both ways. And (to mix in another metaphor), it appears as though your house is less than opaque and primarily composed of silicon dioxide.
Coke sucks everywhere
Really?! And it's only 1.25?!
Of course there is still the question of HFCS.
Whoa, I don't know anything about hydrofluorocarbon subacetate, and I don't want to know!
ATM machine is the machine which dispenses the ATMs
Dude, I so want one of these. I'd just start sticking ATMs in random places. In fact, if done right, this is probably a reasonably good way to take over the world, or cause massive mobs of enraged tourists whose cards were eaten, or both. Think of the possibilities!
I wholeheartedly agree with you. I do prefer using Linux for most things. But I don't have a problem using Windows for the reasons I stated in my original post.
Your argument doesn't appear to have anything to do with what I was talking about. Did you intend to respond to me?