While in theory that "works" it doesn't. Problem is if not every school is not giving credit for D's, a student can transfer and suddenly get credit they lacked. Also when you send the transcript to the college, if they are not on board they will give credit for the D's. By not issuing D's at all, the penalty is consistent and real to the student. I applaud the move working for a school district myself.
It was most certainly not "purely" on revenue. There were many demands Apple had. They ALL played a part in the decision. Remember, Verizon was a very different company back then. Everything was locked tight on Verizon phones. I believe no, or maybe one Palm, Verizon phone had Wifi enabled. Verizon has changed a lot since the iPhone and a big part of that is trying to keep customers from jumping to AT&T.
Well, this is part of why I laugh when people complain about AT&T iPhone exclusivity. Apple went to Verizon first. Verizon said you'll install our crapware and Jobs said no and went to AT&T. I bet teh biggest reason there is no Verizon or Sprint iPhone right now, is crapware. Jobs will not let them install it.
The point is that iPhone 4 has 2 problems: one due to metal antennas (yes, there are two antennas and they should not be connected together) and another one due to the death grip. Apple basically deflected the question by talking only about death grip while the real issue was this specific design flaw that bare metal antennas could be bridged together if you hold the phone in a certain way. Anandtech showed that bridging bare metal antennas add another 10 dBm attenuation on top of what you get from death grip.
You said the issue was with 2 antennas, not mere insulation of a single antenna.
I think it goes both ways. I'm not coming out and saying there is absolutely no problem, but this isn't as big an issue as everyone is making it. There are a lot of assumptions being made. The iPhone 4 is very unique, and I'm not just talking about the external antenna. There is NO plastic on the phone whatsoever. We don't know what the performance of an internal antenna in the iPhone's body is relative to the external. But, Apple surely does know, and they are not about to publish the info and aide Nokia, HTC and RIM. There can be a problem, without it being a design flaw or engineering snafu. Apple gambled that the issue would not show itself to be severe, and it is questionable how severe it is. Geographically some areas are more likely problematic than others. Apple's true flaw, is not publishing a don't touch here line in the manual.
That's just it though, I'm NOT claiming why there is a 10db difference. Why? Cause I'm not going to make stuff up and talk on the Internet like I know what I am talking about. If you want to know why there is a 10db difference then we need SCIENTIFIC tests. like removing the second antenna from the equation, replacing it with plastic and testing that. I don't have the resources to do that, and quite frankly don't care. My iPhone 4 has outperformed my old 3G in every area including call quality and reception.
There is no proof the second antenna is causing an issue, there is no proof an internal antenna would perform better within the iPhones design. No other phone has no plastic areas. An internal antenna may have performed as bad or worse than the external one. We don't know. I bet Apple does know though, but they aren't going to publish it so Nokia, HTC, and RIM can copy their notes.
Sorry but you don't even know what you are talking about. I refer you to http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/iphone-4-redux-analyzing-apples-ios-41-signal-fix. People are assuming "bridging" or "shorting" is the problem. Anadtech shows a 10db performance difference, they do not specify the cause. The redux article above clearly states they talked to metallurgists that stated stainless steel is a poor conductor, and your hand is a poor conductor.
Find an old radio. Touch the middle of the antenna, it effects the sound quality. Now touch the tip of the antenna. It effects quality much more drastically. THIS is what the iPhone 4 is doing.
All of these phones CAN drop calls and lose service, it all depends on the starting signal strength. The iPhone 4 doesn't automatically lose service or drop calls either. In medium to strong signal areas it works fine EVEN touching the dreaded antenna spot. The only reason this is being discussed is Apple pointed out the external antenna.
Actually, what I've now read on Apple users forums even they are furious. They expected a real fix and they get what, a rubber band you put around the phone? That looks so slick and awesome.
I don't quite get the logic here. People are complaining that a "case" isn't a solution since it "ruins" the look of the phone, which is apparently the only reason they bought it. Then they lambaste Apple for putting "form" over "function" when designing the damn thing to begin with! So Apple is not allowed to be vain in designing it, but you can be vain after you buy it?
No, it is a case of a crappy engineering. The point of the antenna design, as marketed, was to increase reception dramatically, not be the same as current designs.
A simple, low-cost solution would have been to apply a thin, transparent layer of some kind of insulating material over the antenna. Then it would look practically identical to what it is now, actually do what Apple says it does, in all use cases, and we would have evidence of competent engineers working at Apple.
Actually, we should all agree that it's excellent engineering. Like everyone is saying, any idiot knows touching an antenna affects signal, and yet I can touch my iPhone 4's antenna everywhere except a small 2mm section with very minimal effects. And that is in low signal areas, in moderate or strong signal areas I can even touch that 2mm and it still works. They truly did defy the laws of physics if we are to believe every "expert" on the 'Net complaining about this.
Which brings us to phase two. Again according to all the 'Net experts all we need is a THIN insulating material! Wow, Apple should hire us all to design the iPhone 5 at double the wages they paid the clowns that made this iPhone 4. I mean it's not like the amount of insulating material matters. The iPhone 4 attenuates a maximum of 24 dBms according to Anandtech. The same test showed the Nexus one Attenuating 17 dBms. Yes, 24 is worse than 17, but what effect does the "thin" insulator have? 1 dBm? 10 dBm's? 4 dBm's? If it had an insulator and attenuated 18 dBm's you would still be complaining.
My iPhone 4 has the BEST reception and BEST clarity I have EVER had on a cell phone. Yes, I conscientiously avoid touching the tip of the antenna. Law of economics, the opportunity cost of the best call quality is worth the opportunity cost of griping the phone with the palm of my hand.
You are simply providing yet another anecdote to try to demonstrate that there is no problem. The issue isn't a visible drop in signal strength. It is, for apparently many people, a loss of connection. Sure, you don't have that where you happen to be. But other people are having these issues.
But honestly all we are getting is anecdotes from those having issues as well. For every complaint I see that specifically states dropped calls where the 3G/3GS did not drop calls I see a comment on it making calls where the 3G/3GS wouldn't. We need comprehensive tests comparing the performance against the 3GS in the same location at the same time.
In my experience, the antenna issue only effects me where my 3G dropped calls. And, if I adjust my grip or use a case I can make calls without drops where my 3G dropped calls. The truth is, it's better overall but worse under a very specific set of conditions that the user has control over. Still an issue, sure, but not what it is being played up to.
Name one that has. There are tons of recalls every year. Name one company that has admitted fault before having a fix. How funny would the comments of that story be? "Yeah, the antenna sucks and we don't know what to do, running tests, get back to you later." Would that honestly make you feel better? Over at ArsTechnia, they are running a poll. Almost 60% are using their iPhone 4 with no problem. How would a statement like that affect the perception of those people?
Here's the rub. Apple has a history of doing the right thing. They just replaced the nVidia card in my MacBook Bro after 3 years due to a defect, free of charge with no extended warranty. The problem is, it's been 3 weeks. I know everyone here on the Internet is an expert. We all have intimate knowledge of every R&D test Apple performed before deciding on the antenna configuration. We all know it is a hardware defect that can only be fixed by a complete redesign...
Or maybe, we don't know. Maybe Apple has a list of 5-10 possible solutions and is busy testing them. Maybe as soon as they have the BEST solution they will publish it. In the mean time what do we expect from them? Publishing all of their 4 years worth of R&D documents so we can see how they came to their conclusion and their competitors can copy them? Not going to happen. They have to deny and hold tight until they have a solution. This is true of ANY company that has ever gone through this. Deny, deny, deny, then suddenly a patch or recall.
So you want Freedom, but it is unethical to support a closed system that many people CHOOSE? Then we all complain about users getting hit with Malware and Social Engineering scams and we say "somebody" should do something about that, without imposing on our freedoms of course.
And yet despite your brash comments, Apple's products are widely lauded and successful because of their FUNCTIONALITY and USABILITY. Mobile Safari was the first smart phone browser that could actually reasonably display a non mobile website. iOS was designed with touch interfaces in mind, not just throwing a desktop interface on a touch screen and adding a stylus.
iPods are lauded for their ease of syncing music through iTunes and the ease of navigation with the click wheel.
Apple has long been willing to take the less popular choice when there is a trade off if the gain is larger than the loss. I believe this is what happened here. By putting the antennas outside, they improved reception for those that hold the phone a certain way, use a case, or use hands free. of the percentage that are affected, how many will adjust or buy a case? More people will end up with better reception overall with this antenna design.
It's not a short. It's attenuation. A short would happen 100% of the time. I have personally confirmed that in some areas with really strong signal I can not get the bars to drop. Other places, with weaker signal I can.
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When Microsoft releases a new version of Windows, I can install it on a Dell, HP, Sony, Compaq, eMachine, and any other white box I want. If it can't be loaded, it's not a released operating system. That the first I've heard Android is merely a reference platform. And I was almost convinced there is no fragmentation in Android.
So let me get this straight: First, waiting 30 days and still having no install option for an OS is not a symptom of a controlled or closed system. Debunked Second it was Android gets updated more often which justifies the delay. Debunked Third it was that Android is not actually an OS but a reference platform.
Are you going to completely change the topic again? Or maybe we can agree that ALL cell phones have limitations and strings attached. Apple's are no worse than anyone others.
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Either I'm stupid or you are. Development time has ZERO effect on installation of a RELEASED product. Time to market has ZERO effect on a installation of a RELEASED product. If a product is released, it can be installed, right? Oh, you mean you reject Apple's walled garden but accept Verizon's, T-Mobile's, and Sprint's... If Apple released 4.1 tomorrow, it would be installed on my phone hours later. You know this to be the fact, but I am sorry, Android is superior and more open in every way. I bow in awe of your great Android phone.
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Game consoles are not computers = iPads are not computers. You want openness. Openness = Computers.
Now yes that is simplified and it doesn't HAVE to be true. It has historically been true though. The closed systems, ie consoles, have always outsold the open ones. Why? Consumers want a device that works. When I say iPads work for 60-70% of the population, that is not 60-70% of the population including those that don't buy computers. Openness brings a certain level of confusion. One thing Apple controls through the App store is look and feel and usability. You as an IT Pro want openness and don't mind rough edges or modifying a config file. But this is a turn off to the family down the block. Apple is selling cars. If a Prius can't haul your 5 kids and boat up to the lake, buy a truck, don't yell at Toyota that the Prius is not able to tow a boat.
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Already on. Seems to run as well as before, plus I have iBooks and Folders. Not surprised a development version was slow though.
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It's just semantics. In Jobs' D8 interview he likened PCs to trucks and iPads to cars. I think this has been a greatly misunderstood analogy. To me, it means the people that do serious work will have PC. Developers, Network Admins, Graphic Artists, Publishers, these people will still use computers. Cars are for the everyday person. E-mail, Internet, occasional Word Processing, Personal Finance, Calendaring, all work great on the iPad.
The iPad and iPhone will not replace "real" computers. They will impede the growth of computers, not because they are better, but because most people do not NEED a computer. iPads are not computers, but they are what 60-70% of the population uses a computer for, plus a little more like ebooks and some nifty apps we never knew we needed.
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Why? Today Apple will release iOS4. Tonight I will have it on my iPhone 3G. Why is 30 days not a long time to wait?
They use Apps s they can test things like performance and stability on things other than just their code. Good way to find bugs. Now they could have spoofed the info, but listen to what Steve said at D8, they were naive. So they learned their lesson and are erring on the side of caution. So they spoof the device ID and user agent string. What else can be harmful?
Rather than trying to list all things harmful and hope they do no miss any, instead they want to block all and accept what is ok. And yes, it is about user privacy as well. They didn't think about what people were doing with device IDs and geo location etc until the Flurry report. This was a wake up call for them on user privacy. Andy they acted on it.
Apple's internal documents help Apple improve the iPhone. Duh! That's how it works. Google gets to use it's feedback from Android to make a better Android. What is not ok, is using the iPhone stats that are for the purpose of advertising to improve Android. There is no proof Google is doing that, but Apple wants to remove the temptation.
If Google delisted Apple from their search results, the market would decide the ramifications. People use search engines to get unbiased info. If Google made that decision, I would suspect people would stop searching with Google. The value of Google's product is that they do not tamper with the algorithm.
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While in theory that "works" it doesn't. Problem is if not every school is not giving credit for D's, a student can transfer and suddenly get credit they lacked. Also when you send the transcript to the college, if they are not on board they will give credit for the D's. By not issuing D's at all, the penalty is consistent and real to the student. I applaud the move working for a school district myself.
It was most certainly not "purely" on revenue. There were many demands Apple had. They ALL played a part in the decision. Remember, Verizon was a very different company back then. Everything was locked tight on Verizon phones. I believe no, or maybe one Palm, Verizon phone had Wifi enabled. Verizon has changed a lot since the iPhone and a big part of that is trying to keep customers from jumping to AT&T.
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Well, this is part of why I laugh when people complain about AT&T iPhone exclusivity. Apple went to Verizon first. Verizon said you'll install our crapware and Jobs said no and went to AT&T. I bet teh biggest reason there is no Verizon or Sprint iPhone right now, is crapware. Jobs will not let them install it.
The point is that iPhone 4 has 2 problems: one due to metal antennas (yes, there are two antennas and they should not be connected together) and another one due to the death grip. Apple basically deflected the question by talking only about death grip while the real issue was this specific design flaw that bare metal antennas could be bridged together if you hold the phone in a certain way. Anandtech showed that bridging bare metal antennas add another 10 dBm attenuation on top of what you get from death grip.
You said the issue was with 2 antennas, not mere insulation of a single antenna.
I think it goes both ways. I'm not coming out and saying there is absolutely no problem, but this isn't as big an issue as everyone is making it. There are a lot of assumptions being made. The iPhone 4 is very unique, and I'm not just talking about the external antenna. There is NO plastic on the phone whatsoever. We don't know what the performance of an internal antenna in the iPhone's body is relative to the external. But, Apple surely does know, and they are not about to publish the info and aide Nokia, HTC and RIM. There can be a problem, without it being a design flaw or engineering snafu. Apple gambled that the issue would not show itself to be severe, and it is questionable how severe it is. Geographically some areas are more likely problematic than others. Apple's true flaw, is not publishing a don't touch here line in the manual.
That's just it though, I'm NOT claiming why there is a 10db difference. Why? Cause I'm not going to make stuff up and talk on the Internet like I know what I am talking about. If you want to know why there is a 10db difference then we need SCIENTIFIC tests. like removing the second antenna from the equation, replacing it with plastic and testing that. I don't have the resources to do that, and quite frankly don't care. My iPhone 4 has outperformed my old 3G in every area including call quality and reception.
There is no proof the second antenna is causing an issue, there is no proof an internal antenna would perform better within the iPhones design. No other phone has no plastic areas. An internal antenna may have performed as bad or worse than the external one. We don't know. I bet Apple does know though, but they aren't going to publish it so Nokia, HTC, and RIM can copy their notes.
Sorry but you don't even know what you are talking about. I refer you to http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/iphone-4-redux-analyzing-apples-ios-41-signal-fix. People are assuming "bridging" or "shorting" is the problem. Anadtech shows a 10db performance difference, they do not specify the cause. The redux article above clearly states they talked to metallurgists that stated stainless steel is a poor conductor, and your hand is a poor conductor.
Find an old radio. Touch the middle of the antenna, it effects the sound quality. Now touch the tip of the antenna. It effects quality much more drastically. THIS is what the iPhone 4 is doing.
All of these phones CAN drop calls and lose service, it all depends on the starting signal strength. The iPhone 4 doesn't automatically lose service or drop calls either. In medium to strong signal areas it works fine EVEN touching the dreaded antenna spot. The only reason this is being discussed is Apple pointed out the external antenna.
Actually, what I've now read on Apple users forums even they are furious. They expected a real fix and they get what, a rubber band you put around the phone? That looks so slick and awesome.
I don't quite get the logic here. People are complaining that a "case" isn't a solution since it "ruins" the look of the phone, which is apparently the only reason they bought it. Then they lambaste Apple for putting "form" over "function" when designing the damn thing to begin with! So Apple is not allowed to be vain in designing it, but you can be vain after you buy it?
No, it is a case of a crappy engineering. The point of the antenna design, as marketed, was to increase reception dramatically, not be the same as current designs.
A simple, low-cost solution would have been to apply a thin, transparent layer of some kind of insulating material over the antenna. Then it would look practically identical to what it is now, actually do what Apple says it does, in all use cases, and we would have evidence of competent engineers working at Apple.
Actually, we should all agree that it's excellent engineering. Like everyone is saying, any idiot knows touching an antenna affects signal, and yet I can touch my iPhone 4's antenna everywhere except a small 2mm section with very minimal effects. And that is in low signal areas, in moderate or strong signal areas I can even touch that 2mm and it still works. They truly did defy the laws of physics if we are to believe every "expert" on the 'Net complaining about this.
Which brings us to phase two. Again according to all the 'Net experts all we need is a THIN insulating material! Wow, Apple should hire us all to design the iPhone 5 at double the wages they paid the clowns that made this iPhone 4. I mean it's not like the amount of insulating material matters. The iPhone 4 attenuates a maximum of 24 dBms according to Anandtech. The same test showed the Nexus one Attenuating 17 dBms. Yes, 24 is worse than 17, but what effect does the "thin" insulator have? 1 dBm? 10 dBm's? 4 dBm's? If it had an insulator and attenuated 18 dBm's you would still be complaining.
My iPhone 4 has the BEST reception and BEST clarity I have EVER had on a cell phone. Yes, I conscientiously avoid touching the tip of the antenna. Law of economics, the opportunity cost of the best call quality is worth the opportunity cost of griping the phone with the palm of my hand.
You are simply providing yet another anecdote to try to demonstrate that there is no problem. The issue isn't a visible drop in signal strength. It is, for apparently many people, a loss of connection. Sure, you don't have that where you happen to be. But other people are having these issues.
But honestly all we are getting is anecdotes from those having issues as well. For every complaint I see that specifically states dropped calls where the 3G/3GS did not drop calls I see a comment on it making calls where the 3G/3GS wouldn't. We need comprehensive tests comparing the performance against the 3GS in the same location at the same time.
In my experience, the antenna issue only effects me where my 3G dropped calls. And, if I adjust my grip or use a case I can make calls without drops where my 3G dropped calls. The truth is, it's better overall but worse under a very specific set of conditions that the user has control over. Still an issue, sure, but not what it is being played up to.
Name one that has. There are tons of recalls every year. Name one company that has admitted fault before having a fix. How funny would the comments of that story be? "Yeah, the antenna sucks and we don't know what to do, running tests, get back to you later." Would that honestly make you feel better? Over at ArsTechnia, they are running a poll. Almost 60% are using their iPhone 4 with no problem. How would a statement like that affect the perception of those people?
Here's the rub. Apple has a history of doing the right thing. They just replaced the nVidia card in my MacBook Bro after 3 years due to a defect, free of charge with no extended warranty. The problem is, it's been 3 weeks. I know everyone here on the Internet is an expert. We all have intimate knowledge of every R&D test Apple performed before deciding on the antenna configuration. We all know it is a hardware defect that can only be fixed by a complete redesign...
Or maybe, we don't know. Maybe Apple has a list of 5-10 possible solutions and is busy testing them. Maybe as soon as they have the BEST solution they will publish it. In the mean time what do we expect from them? Publishing all of their 4 years worth of R&D documents so we can see how they came to their conclusion and their competitors can copy them? Not going to happen. They have to deny and hold tight until they have a solution. This is true of ANY company that has ever gone through this. Deny, deny, deny, then suddenly a patch or recall.
So you want Freedom, but it is unethical to support a closed system that many people CHOOSE? Then we all complain about users getting hit with Malware and Social Engineering scams and we say "somebody" should do something about that, without imposing on our freedoms of course.
And yet despite your brash comments, Apple's products are widely lauded and successful because of their FUNCTIONALITY and USABILITY. Mobile Safari was the first smart phone browser that could actually reasonably display a non mobile website. iOS was designed with touch interfaces in mind, not just throwing a desktop interface on a touch screen and adding a stylus.
iPods are lauded for their ease of syncing music through iTunes and the ease of navigation with the click wheel.
Apple has long been willing to take the less popular choice when there is a trade off if the gain is larger than the loss. I believe this is what happened here. By putting the antennas outside, they improved reception for those that hold the phone a certain way, use a case, or use hands free. of the percentage that are affected, how many will adjust or buy a case? More people will end up with better reception overall with this antenna design.
It's not a short. It's attenuation. A short would happen 100% of the time. I have personally confirmed that in some areas with really strong signal I can not get the bars to drop. Other places, with weaker signal I can.
When Microsoft releases a new version of Windows, I can install it on a Dell, HP, Sony, Compaq, eMachine, and any other white box I want. If it can't be loaded, it's not a released operating system. That the first I've heard Android is merely a reference platform. And I was almost convinced there is no fragmentation in Android.
So let me get this straight:
First, waiting 30 days and still having no install option for an OS is not a symptom of a controlled or closed system.
Debunked
Second it was Android gets updated more often which justifies the delay.
Debunked
Third it was that Android is not actually an OS but a reference platform.
Are you going to completely change the topic again? Or maybe we can agree that ALL cell phones have limitations and strings attached. Apple's are no worse than anyone others.
Either I'm stupid or you are. Development time has ZERO effect on installation of a RELEASED product. Time to market has ZERO effect on a installation of a RELEASED product. If a product is released, it can be installed, right? Oh, you mean you reject Apple's walled garden but accept Verizon's, T-Mobile's, and Sprint's... If Apple released 4.1 tomorrow, it would be installed on my phone hours later. You know this to be the fact, but I am sorry, Android is superior and more open in every way. I bow in awe of your great Android phone.
Game consoles are not computers = iPads are not computers.
You want openness. Openness = Computers.
Now yes that is simplified and it doesn't HAVE to be true. It has historically been true though. The closed systems, ie consoles, have always outsold the open ones. Why? Consumers want a device that works. When I say iPads work for 60-70% of the population, that is not 60-70% of the population including those that don't buy computers. Openness brings a certain level of confusion. One thing Apple controls through the App store is look and feel and usability. You as an IT Pro want openness and don't mind rough edges or modifying a config file. But this is a turn off to the family down the block. Apple is selling cars. If a Prius can't haul your 5 kids and boat up to the lake, buy a truck, don't yell at Toyota that the Prius is not able to tow a boat.
Already on. Seems to run as well as before, plus I have iBooks and Folders. Not surprised a development version was slow though.
It's just semantics. In Jobs' D8 interview he likened PCs to trucks and iPads to cars. I think this has been a greatly misunderstood analogy. To me, it means the people that do serious work will have PC. Developers, Network Admins, Graphic Artists, Publishers, these people will still use computers. Cars are for the everyday person. E-mail, Internet, occasional Word Processing, Personal Finance, Calendaring, all work great on the iPad.
The iPad and iPhone will not replace "real" computers. They will impede the growth of computers, not because they are better, but because most people do not NEED a computer. iPads are not computers, but they are what 60-70% of the population uses a computer for, plus a little more like ebooks and some nifty apps we never knew we needed.
Why? Today Apple will release iOS4. Tonight I will have it on my iPhone 3G. Why is 30 days not a long time to wait?
100,000,000 iOS devices (iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad) with easy to market strategy (App Store)
They use Apps s they can test things like performance and stability on things other than just their code. Good way to find bugs. Now they could have spoofed the info, but listen to what Steve said at D8, they were naive. So they learned their lesson and are erring on the side of caution. So they spoof the device ID and user agent string. What else can be harmful?
Rather than trying to list all things harmful and hope they do no miss any, instead they want to block all and accept what is ok. And yes, it is about user privacy as well. They didn't think about what people were doing with device IDs and geo location etc until the Flurry report. This was a wake up call for them on user privacy. Andy they acted on it.
Apple's internal documents help Apple improve the iPhone. Duh! That's how it works. Google gets to use it's feedback from Android to make a better Android. What is not ok, is using the iPhone stats that are for the purpose of advertising to improve Android. There is no proof Google is doing that, but Apple wants to remove the temptation.
If Google delisted Apple from their search results, the market would decide the ramifications. People use search engines to get unbiased info. If Google made that decision, I would suspect people would stop searching with Google. The value of Google's product is that they do not tamper with the algorithm.