Re "can still do all of this outside of"
How much longer will "this outside of" social media still be searchable giving the US party political efforts to derank internet search results AC?
What is banned on social media won't be found "outside of" social media thanks to US search engines deranking/removing results for political reasons.
Social media is not much use if media cant be found, cant be commented on, is banned from been linked to...
Everything that made the internet free and great was the US protected freedom to comment, to link, to search.
Apps are like the old shareware. They might only do one task but they do it well for the price.
Why pay for an OS and expensive software when a few apps can provide most of the user support and fun needed.
Creative people offer apps that people crave. For sport, art, culture, a hobby, fun, as a game.
In a gov regulated nation a user would have to buy a boxed app from a shop at say $50 or $100 for a computer programme that fully support the local language and was gov approved.
The internet and software freedom now offers competition to what was once sold as software in a box from a shop.
What other topics can get "canned"?
Movie reviews? Tech news about not showing ads? Crypto? Linking to sites about whistleblowers? Movie reviews? Time to support another nations blasphemy laws globally?
Freedom of speech and the freedom to petition your government on a site many parts of the US gov use a gateway to interacting with the US gov locally?
Once a site starts to accept the US gov as part of their service, that TOS should offer the full protections of the USA.
Would a comment about the US gov get "canned" for political reasons on a part of social media set up by a town, city, local police to interact with and accept reports from local people?
The ability to hide behind TOS only works if the brand stays in the private sector and does not offer US gov support.
Do party political activists get to ban people using TOS from interacting with their gov locally?
Re "Wouldn't it be better to make ALL cellphones more secure, by law"?
How could the NSA collect it all if every cell phone had real crypto? Real crypto that had to be worked on per phone for a few mins, hours, days per interesting person?
Real time access is the only way to support the collect it all mission globally with big brand junk crypto been the standard.
How could the GCHQ meet its Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act obligations to collect it all if every cell phone had a complex crypto lock?
Junk crypto allows the UK to collect on interesting political groups in the USA that support Ireland without having to ask the USA for crypto keys to US cell phones.
A small town, city in the USA has its police under investigation by internal affairs. Should that investigation be blocked as the people under investigation know to use any good quality cell phone?
Thats what police, contractors gov and mil want. Easy access to all cell phone data, voice prints, GPS, live mic, camera, files without needing to wait or have to push new gov malware onto every cell phone of interest.
Make that too difficult and the interesting people will notice the gov/mil/police malware been pushed down onto their cell phone.
The interesting people stop talking and the good investigators get nothing.
Thats why cell phone crypto is such junk. The police and security services need a real time way in.
Criminals, spies, dual citizens, people of faith, the corrupt just keep walking around with the cell phones as they still understand the crypto to work.
The big trusted brand would never give their data/voice prints/files to their gov/mil/police...
What comments will be next?
What ads will be next?
Book reviews, authors that don't have the correct party politics? Only one side of US politics will be fully supported on social media?
Movie reviews that are not 100% positive?
Users that comment or link in the wrong way?
Comments about politicians that are not of the approved party?
Any ads for books about history?
Art? Any ads that show different parts of the USA will have to get extra approval?
Culture? No commenting on why the ads got banned?
News? No news about the banning of ads?
Faith? Time to enforce other nations blasphemy laws globally?
What will the SJW at social media be banning next to show more virtue signalling?
Was the ability to read, publish, self publish, review publications, talk about books and news.
Now social media wants to stop all that discussion in the USA.
Social media workers will allow a short list of approved news, allow a list of approved links, allow comments, allow accounts.
Thats freedom of speech and freedom after speech. Let people all over the USA talk about any news, reports, books, movies they want.
Let them talk about a great political leader who gave a great speech in their state.
Mention the part politics that was negative about their state.
Talk about a movie in any way a reviewer wants.
To have the freedom to read that movie review, link it, talk about it, quote the review, to consider going to that movie.
Not to have social media ban the review, ban the reviewer and only support very positive reviews of all movies.
Another level of state bureaucracy to protect existing monopoly telcos and their paper insulated wireline NN networks with more rules.
Want to start an innovative new network? State bureaucrats will have to go over the design and see if any new networks can pass their understanding of party political NN rules.
Existing NN monopoly networks get a free pass.
In the past people had a car to enjoy a drive. Just for fun. To go see a movie, eat a restaurant, go to the beach, a national park. Enjoy a sport. Enjoy watching a sport as a fan in person.
That needed a car that was working, a price of fuel and a wage to cover the costs of fun and driving.
Now that same discretionary money from a living wage is under pressure. For the decades of costs of food, health care, transport, heating, cooling, internet, rent/loan payments, city/state/federal taxes, a hobby, a sport. Something had to give in that math and it was the freedom to go out that past average generations enjoyed.
Costs are going up and stating at home is all people can average people can still afford.
Crime, begging in once well cared for inner city areas is also not making enjoying city areas fun. Why risk going to parts of a city and face a criminal culture?
Malls are failing as wages cant keep up with fashions.
Police try and act and they are told by politicians that they are doing police work in the wrong way.
Police try and be political and party political protected inner city crime takes over.
Average people earning a wage don't want to risk areas that are criminal. Less travel, less cash for spending. An internet account with some tv shows and movies, computer games becomes fun rather than anything in the local community.
The fix would be to allow police to police. Invest in areas to track the no go areas. Allow people to enjoy and shop in their cities again rather than plan essential travel around no go areas.
Energy savings is due to less people been able to afford fun, more people been aware of the risks of moving around some parts of their city, state.
More energy aware designs? That would need a lot of new building codes, new rental and new buildings? A lot of people buying new appliances that are more efficient.
Could be everyone has a new dwelling that is well designed, with brand new appliances that don't use as much energy? Everyone got new heating and cooling upgrades?
Normal people with an average wage in a good city should not be staying indoors. Unless they could not afford to spend on extra travel? Unless city and parts of their state had crime problems.
What will all the people who expected jobs do for work? Who entered the UK year after year just expecting to be supported.
Just keep allowing random unskilled people in the UK every year for the "jobs" that no longer exist?
Nations are going to have to re think what work is and what robot related skills a few skilled local citizens can be reeducated into.
If nations keep on adding to the ranks of their unemployed/unemployable generations after generation that will be a lot of support costs and social problems.
In the past all that was needed was a few embassy, sigint ships and the upgraded Silvermine site in South Africa.
That gave the NSA and GCHQ total coverage of Africa as the telco equipment was of a set standard.
junk encryption was provided by the UK, USA to friendly nations all over Africa.
Now China is building infrastructure, offering funds and advanced new telco equipment.
What the NSA and GCHQ always thought to be their geographic collect it all advantage all around Africa is now been shared with a collect it all China.
Imagine using social media and never been able to read any news on what no script is, what an ad blocker is.
Thats the real power of pre sorted, pre approved regional news. Topics just never get to be news. The users can interact with a list of news approved by their nations broadcasters, select private sector publishers, their mil, their gov.
Search deranking will hide the rest.
Comment in the wrong way politically and police will do an interview. Blasphemy? Thats going to get an account reported to the police.
A bad comment about a pre approved good movie review? Never seen by other users in that nation.
Social media is not just going to sort the news, they are going to hide comments, hide news, hide words, hide tech that blocks ads.
Think of the ad sales of captive users back to their gov and own nations private sector newspapers and broadcasters.
Users by nation on social media just got sold back to their dictatorships, theocracies, monarchies, national broadcasters, newspaper publishers.
If a nation, publisher, mil, faith does not pay then their nations captive social media users might get to see international news again.
That is going to be so great for gov, police and mil in nations. Their own citizens using local social media been reported, banned, tracked, interviewed after interacting with local media and within their own nations laws.
Social media has handed political conversations by citizens back to their own governments.
Russians know what happen the last time they let random Western consumer devices on their bases.
Russian spies deep in the US/UK gov/mil saw much more new and different data was been gather about all kinds of sites all over Russia.
No more consumer spies on base, in the sub.
Re "I don't know if these limits exist in more current devices as people simply stopped talking about them."
Fake mobile phone masts spy on your calls http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
Lots of digital news is around AC. Lots of data to collect from different consumer devices wondering around.
Re "There is suspicion that US Navy ships have been running into civilian ships because their navigation is different than the other ships."
Thats due to not having the crew up to standard 24/7 while on duty. Just put more effort into finding people with the skills to learn who are not distracted.
Technology has got better. Take time to educate and test the crew before letting them do "navigation".
A high wage for a contractor won't cover not having their comforts. The people with the skills needed for missions just expect to keep their digital lifestyle with them in the US mil at any location.
They want their digital files, images, music, internet, digital fitness data. If the contractor is stopped from having that lifestyle they have hours to ponder the mission and their role. Instead of just enjoying digital entertainment, looking over their fitness data that person with skills then has free time to find a human friend to talk with.
All around every US mil base a lot of very friendly people are waiting to listen, chat, talk, befriend and get to know anyone who wants/needs to talk.
A lot of anthropology and human studies went into why people start sharing secrets and talking to strangers when they have jobs that should not be talked about. Wages and conditions have to be good and then humans are happy to keep secrets.
The US and UK mil totally relaxed their digital device policy so their troops and contractors could enjoy good conditions and not be tempted to wonder around looking for random people to talk to about poor working conditions.
Better to have the smart person with skills on base enjoying a digital movie than in a town talking with a new friend about all the bad rules and regulations and other topics.
The location of a base is kind of easy to find given the interesting locals would notice. Who is on base, for how long and what their past was, thats the question that global digital tracking of people can make more interesting. Who stays on base with the fitness. Why wonders off base? Who uses a local gym? Who can be befriend? Who then shows up in another part of the world?
Re "You go for a jog for the same reason you do your push-ups and sit-ups, it's just the daily routine to stay in shape."
Look at what the average non special forces US mil person has to carry. All that water, food, weapons systems, batteries, communications. A lot of weight that needs a lot of strength and fitness in different climates and altitudes. To carry that amount of weight every mission, everyone has to keep fit and stay fit. A daily routine with some computer data per person would be supported by the need for people to be so fit and stay fit.
Not everyone is doing active duty like the troops. A lot of contractors, experts and support staff are now used and they like their gym time.
Re "military isn't capable of making"
The NSA and GCHQ hope interesting people now start to scan each and every US base to try and build up a profile of fitness trackers?
A digital trap to flush out interesting people trying to map out US forces digitally and globally?
A cyber trap to see who responds in what way to the fitness tracker story? All US mil sites are awash with interesting consumer data, try and detect it...
Thats nice AC but with the fitness tracker you can start to build up a profile of US officers. Not just that a helicopter is been used.
That officer, contractor can then be tracked around the world globally.
People with no experience, new to the mil been used a lot? Decades of experience been sent out to a base/fort/camp?
In the past someone would have to create a profile of the US command structure using local informants, spies, files and other methods.
Now who does what exercise when can map out unexpected individuals.
The past generations of mobile networks always got collected on and always will be.
The new part is who will pay for a new 5G network and will it cover more than the strategic highways and big cities.
Who gets to bid for the build and who gets to make the hardware.
Re "had to use their private mobile phones because their army communication equipment didn't work"
What modern army would risk, allow, condone consumer communications methods that allowed their own troops to be discovered, tracked and totally collected on?
A mil had had to face down collection for decades would not be totally unaware of such a risk to communications and any mission.
The other side to that is the comfort and support in "reports" that another nations army has to use easy to track "private mobile phones" that provide a wealth of information due to decades of deficiencies.
Could end up like another supersonic transport (SST) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... funding.
Someone has to pay for the placement of the 5G telco network all over the US road network to cover networked transport.
Give it to the private sector and pay the private sector for every part of the network to cover the most remote parts, difficult to network of the USA?
Not just networking all the strategic highways and around the mil sites that need telco security.
Let the private sector find the lowest cost workers/robots globally (not in China) and mass produce the network parts? Design in the USA, made in........
Build a 100% US gov telco factory in Florida? New Jersey? Have that state win the design and scale up a big telco build of products for all of the USA for that 5G generation.
Re How many agencies are still SCREAMING for "back doors"
They got them with PRISM, NSA ANT catalog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Room 641A, "U.S. secretly tracked billions of calls for decades" (April 7, 2015) https://www.usatoday.com/story...
That was without a nice US wide 5G network as part of the deal.
Slashdot Mirror
Re "can still do all of this outside of"
How much longer will "this outside of" social media still be searchable giving the US party political efforts to derank internet search results AC?
What is banned on social media won't be found "outside of" social media thanks to US search engines deranking/removing results for political reasons.
Social media is not much use if media cant be found, cant be commented on, is banned from been linked to...
Everything that made the internet free and great was the US protected freedom to comment, to link, to search.
Apps are like the old shareware. They might only do one task but they do it well for the price.
Why pay for an OS and expensive software when a few apps can provide most of the user support and fun needed.
Creative people offer apps that people crave. For sport, art, culture, a hobby, fun, as a game.
In a gov regulated nation a user would have to buy a boxed app from a shop at say $50 or $100 for a computer programme that fully support the local language and was gov approved.
The internet and software freedom now offers competition to what was once sold as software in a box from a shop.
What other topics can get "canned"?
Movie reviews? Tech news about not showing ads? Crypto? Linking to sites about whistleblowers? Movie reviews? Time to support another nations blasphemy laws globally?
Freedom of speech and the freedom to petition your government on a site many parts of the US gov use a gateway to interacting with the US gov locally?
Once a site starts to accept the US gov as part of their service, that TOS should offer the full protections of the USA.
Would a comment about the US gov get "canned" for political reasons on a part of social media set up by a town, city, local police to interact with and accept reports from local people?
The ability to hide behind TOS only works if the brand stays in the private sector and does not offer US gov support.
Do party political activists get to ban people using TOS from interacting with their gov locally?
Re "Wouldn't it be better to make ALL cellphones more secure, by law"?
How could the NSA collect it all if every cell phone had real crypto? Real crypto that had to be worked on per phone for a few mins, hours, days per interesting person?
Real time access is the only way to support the collect it all mission globally with big brand junk crypto been the standard.
How could the GCHQ meet its Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act obligations to collect it all if every cell phone had a complex crypto lock?
Junk crypto allows the UK to collect on interesting political groups in the USA that support Ireland without having to ask the USA for crypto keys to US cell phones.
A small town, city in the USA has its police under investigation by internal affairs. Should that investigation be blocked as the people under investigation know to use any good quality cell phone?
Thats what police, contractors gov and mil want. Easy access to all cell phone data, voice prints, GPS, live mic, camera, files without needing to wait or have to push new gov malware onto every cell phone of interest.
Make that too difficult and the interesting people will notice the gov/mil/police malware been pushed down onto their cell phone.
The interesting people stop talking and the good investigators get nothing.
Thats why cell phone crypto is such junk. The police and security services need a real time way in.
Criminals, spies, dual citizens, people of faith, the corrupt just keep walking around with the cell phones as they still understand the crypto to work.
The big trusted brand would never give their data/voice prints/files to their gov/mil/police...
What comments will be next?
What ads will be next?
Book reviews, authors that don't have the correct party politics? Only one side of US politics will be fully supported on social media?
Movie reviews that are not 100% positive?
Users that comment or link in the wrong way?
Comments about politicians that are not of the approved party?
Any ads for books about history?
Art? Any ads that show different parts of the USA will have to get extra approval?
Culture? No commenting on why the ads got banned?
News? No news about the banning of ads?
Faith? Time to enforce other nations blasphemy laws globally?
What will the SJW at social media be banning next to show more virtue signalling?
Was the ability to read, publish, self publish, review publications, talk about books and news.
Now social media wants to stop all that discussion in the USA.
Social media workers will allow a short list of approved news, allow a list of approved links, allow comments, allow accounts.
Thats freedom of speech and freedom after speech. Let people all over the USA talk about any news, reports, books, movies they want.
Let them talk about a great political leader who gave a great speech in their state.
Mention the part politics that was negative about their state.
Talk about a movie in any way a reviewer wants.
To have the freedom to read that movie review, link it, talk about it, quote the review, to consider going to that movie.
Not to have social media ban the review, ban the reviewer and only support very positive reviews of all movies.
Another level of state bureaucracy to protect existing monopoly telcos and their paper insulated wireline NN networks with more rules.
Want to start an innovative new network? State bureaucrats will have to go over the design and see if any new networks can pass their understanding of party political NN rules.
Existing NN monopoly networks get a free pass.
In the past people had a car to enjoy a drive. Just for fun. To go see a movie, eat a restaurant, go to the beach, a national park. Enjoy a sport. Enjoy watching a sport as a fan in person.
That needed a car that was working, a price of fuel and a wage to cover the costs of fun and driving.
Now that same discretionary money from a living wage is under pressure. For the decades of costs of food, health care, transport, heating, cooling, internet, rent/loan payments, city/state/federal taxes, a hobby, a sport. Something had to give in that math and it was the freedom to go out that past average generations enjoyed.
Costs are going up and stating at home is all people can average people can still afford.
Crime, begging in once well cared for inner city areas is also not making enjoying city areas fun. Why risk going to parts of a city and face a criminal culture?
Malls are failing as wages cant keep up with fashions.
Police try and act and they are told by politicians that they are doing police work in the wrong way.
Police try and be political and party political protected inner city crime takes over.
Average people earning a wage don't want to risk areas that are criminal. Less travel, less cash for spending. An internet account with some tv shows and movies, computer games becomes fun rather than anything in the local community.
The fix would be to allow police to police. Invest in areas to track the no go areas. Allow people to enjoy and shop in their cities again rather than plan essential travel around no go areas.
Energy savings is due to less people been able to afford fun, more people been aware of the risks of moving around some parts of their city, state.
More energy aware designs? That would need a lot of new building codes, new rental and new buildings? A lot of people buying new appliances that are more efficient.
Could be everyone has a new dwelling that is well designed, with brand new appliances that don't use as much energy? Everyone got new heating and cooling upgrades?
Normal people with an average wage in a good city should not be staying indoors. Unless they could not afford to spend on extra travel? Unless city and parts of their state had crime problems.
Each meal is tracked from free range farm to the plate? The food has a blockchain and only qualified people had access to the process.
What will all the people who expected jobs do for work? Who entered the UK year after year just expecting to be supported.
Just keep allowing random unskilled people in the UK every year for the "jobs" that no longer exist?
Nations are going to have to re think what work is and what robot related skills a few skilled local citizens can be reeducated into.
If nations keep on adding to the ranks of their unemployed/unemployable generations after generation that will be a lot of support costs and social problems.
In the past all that was needed was a few embassy, sigint ships and the upgraded Silvermine site in South Africa.
That gave the NSA and GCHQ total coverage of Africa as the telco equipment was of a set standard.
junk encryption was provided by the UK, USA to friendly nations all over Africa.
Now China is building infrastructure, offering funds and advanced new telco equipment.
What the NSA and GCHQ always thought to be their geographic collect it all advantage all around Africa is now been shared with a collect it all China.
Imagine using social media and never been able to read any news on what no script is, what an ad blocker is.
Thats the real power of pre sorted, pre approved regional news. Topics just never get to be news. The users can interact with a list of news approved by their nations broadcasters, select private sector publishers, their mil, their gov.
Search deranking will hide the rest.
Comment in the wrong way politically and police will do an interview. Blasphemy? Thats going to get an account reported to the police.
A bad comment about a pre approved good movie review? Never seen by other users in that nation.
Social media is not just going to sort the news, they are going to hide comments, hide news, hide words, hide tech that blocks ads.
Think of the ad sales of captive users back to their gov and own nations private sector newspapers and broadcasters.
Users by nation on social media just got sold back to their dictatorships, theocracies, monarchies, national broadcasters, newspaper publishers.
If a nation, publisher, mil, faith does not pay then their nations captive social media users might get to see international news again.
That is going to be so great for gov, police and mil in nations. Their own citizens using local social media been reported, banned, tracked, interviewed after interacting with local media and within their own nations laws.
Social media has handed political conversations by citizens back to their own governments.
Russians know what happen the last time they let random Western consumer devices on their bases.
Russian spies deep in the US/UK gov/mil saw much more new and different data was been gather about all kinds of sites all over Russia.
No more consumer spies on base, in the sub.
AC if the mil bans the new digital devices on base then troops wonder around off base talking to spies about how bad the conditions are.
Re "I don't know if these limits exist in more current devices as people simply stopped talking about them."
Fake mobile phone masts spy on your calls
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
Lots of digital news is around AC. Lots of data to collect from different consumer devices wondering around.
Re "There is suspicion that US Navy ships have been running into civilian ships because their navigation is different than the other ships."
Thats due to not having the crew up to standard 24/7 while on duty. Just put more effort into finding people with the skills to learn who are not distracted.
Technology has got better. Take time to educate and test the crew before letting them do "navigation".
A high wage for a contractor won't cover not having their comforts. The people with the skills needed for missions just expect to keep their digital lifestyle with them in the US mil at any location.
They want their digital files, images, music, internet, digital fitness data. If the contractor is stopped from having that lifestyle they have hours to ponder the mission and their role. Instead of just enjoying digital entertainment, looking over their fitness data that person with skills then has free time to find a human friend to talk with.
All around every US mil base a lot of very friendly people are waiting to listen, chat, talk, befriend and get to know anyone who wants/needs to talk.
A lot of anthropology and human studies went into why people start sharing secrets and talking to strangers when they have jobs that should not be talked about.
Wages and conditions have to be good and then humans are happy to keep secrets.
The US and UK mil totally relaxed their digital device policy so their troops and contractors could enjoy good conditions and not be tempted to wonder around looking for random people to talk to about poor working conditions.
Better to have the smart person with skills on base enjoying a digital movie than in a town talking with a new friend about all the bad rules and regulations and other topics.
The location of a base is kind of easy to find given the interesting locals would notice. Who is on base, for how long and what their past was, thats the question that global digital tracking of people can make more interesting. Who stays on base with the fitness. Why wonders off base? Who uses a local gym? Who can be befriend? Who then shows up in another part of the world?
Re "You go for a jog for the same reason you do your push-ups and sit-ups, it's just the daily routine to stay in shape."
Look at what the average non special forces US mil person has to carry. All that water, food, weapons systems, batteries, communications. A lot of weight that needs a lot of strength and fitness in different climates and altitudes. To carry that amount of weight every mission, everyone has to keep fit and stay fit. A daily routine with some computer data per person would be supported by the need for people to be so fit and stay fit.
Not everyone is doing active duty like the troops. A lot of contractors, experts and support staff are now used and they like their gym time.
Re "military isn't capable of making"
The NSA and GCHQ hope interesting people now start to scan each and every US base to try and build up a profile of fitness trackers?
A digital trap to flush out interesting people trying to map out US forces digitally and globally?
A cyber trap to see who responds in what way to the fitness tracker story? All US mil sites are awash with interesting consumer data, try and detect it...
Thats nice AC but with the fitness tracker you can start to build up a profile of US officers. Not just that a helicopter is been used.
That officer, contractor can then be tracked around the world globally.
People with no experience, new to the mil been used a lot? Decades of experience been sent out to a base/fort/camp?
In the past someone would have to create a profile of the US command structure using local informants, spies, files and other methods.
Now who does what exercise when can map out unexpected individuals.
The past generations of mobile networks always got collected on and always will be.
The new part is who will pay for a new 5G network and will it cover more than the strategic highways and big cities. Who gets to bid for the build and who gets to make the hardware.
Re "had to use their private mobile phones because their army communication equipment didn't work"
What modern army would risk, allow, condone consumer communications methods that allowed their own troops to be discovered, tracked and totally collected on?
A mil had had to face down collection for decades would not be totally unaware of such a risk to communications and any mission.
The other side to that is the comfort and support in "reports" that another nations army has to use easy to track "private mobile phones" that provide a wealth of information due to decades of deficiencies.
Re "Be careful what you wish for...."
. ........
Could end up like another supersonic transport (SST) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... funding
Someone has to pay for the placement of the 5G telco network all over the US road network to cover networked transport.
Give it to the private sector and pay the private sector for every part of the network to cover the most remote parts, difficult to network of the USA?
Not just networking all the strategic highways and around the mil sites that need telco security.
Let the private sector find the lowest cost workers/robots globally (not in China) and mass produce the network parts? Design in the USA, made in
Build a 100% US gov telco factory in Florida? New Jersey? Have that state win the design and scale up a big telco build of products for all of the USA for that 5G generation.
Re How many agencies are still SCREAMING for "back doors"
They got them with PRISM, NSA ANT catalog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... Room 641A, "U.S. secretly tracked billions of calls for decades" (April 7, 2015)
https://www.usatoday.com/story...
That was without a nice US wide 5G network as part of the deal.