Yes the Drone papers give some insight into that aspect https://theintercept.com/drone...
The conscience side is been worked on too. Expect a lot of new very well funded Hollywood movies, TV series, comics, books and other web 2.0 media to show a nice new friendly side to the contractor remote military industrial complex.
With the Smith–Mundt Act been reworked to allow domestic propaganda Smith–Mundt Act a flood of domestic good news stories can be gov funded to win hearts and minds about the use of drones soon.
"'Anti-Propaganda' Ban Repealed, Freeing State Dept. To Direct Its Broadcasting Arm At American Citizens" (2013/07/15) https://www.techdirt.com/artic...
Geography is not an issue. Any nation can rollout optical links, add in cell towers, wireless towers for more remote locations, get optical down to many areas given a generation of telco workers, site access and now very cheap local manufacturing.
The problem is who to buy and fully import needed equipment from. Once a Cuban telco contract is final the US gov starts looking at any bank, brand and its links in or to the USA.
So any advanced EU, Asian, South American, African based exporter with the ability to sell parts, turn key telco rollout production lines, nation building telco product would face the results of the USA looking at its own sales, the brands banks and any other supporters or legal links.
Certain international codes can be revoked from supporting banks, brands restricted from the USA.
So Cuba has to be very creative in what it spends cash on, who it offers bids to, what it builds and designs domestically.
Some people would do better in a more hands on setting.
Introduce the history of books and printing. A field trip to see a working linotype machine. Then further learning about how to read a book. Offer a wide selection of books eg: Fyodor Dostoevsky, F. Scott Fitzgerald, George Orwell, William Golding, Charles Dickens, J.D. Salinger, Jane Eyre, William Shakespeare, James Joyce, Anthony Burgess, Edgar Allen Poe...or this decades best sellers.
While given time and help to read a book introduce a history of video cameras and basic photography theory. After a selected book is understood make a short web 2.0 video about the book for say 5-10 minutes. Use the "book" as a topic and then use the more technical parts of the course to ensure a good quality video.
Perhaps a well designed new campus away from the traditional university campus areas could be set up. Areas set aside to enjoy reading indoors and outdoors without distractions. Offer good food and access to a more useful library focused on how to read and what to read rather than just books. Hardware labs with hands on tasks surrounding video, presentation, look and feel.
A few books over three years. Great quality videos uploaded for the world to enjoy. Everyone is happy.
Would entry exams not ensure people who can and want to study get in and have the skills to keep learning for a few more years?
Its not the course.
The selection of people been allowed to attend should ensure a limited number of places go to people who put in some effort to show they had some study skills in past academic settings.
"personal and subjective as learning?"
Years of testing, standardized testing and good education should have sorted that issue out a few years before consideration entry into an advanced higher educational setting.
If the retention rate is low adjust the ways people can be accepted until an academic balance is restored so more of the study ready students get accepted.
Most people admitted should be able to write up their work, present their work as requested and pass exams on time depending on the course as required in a that kind of educational setting.
Cable companies with captive networks wont just give up their deals with series and movies as the regional broadcasted for material for a set time.
Global content works great on a brands own network but third party series often get long term regional rights deals.
Re "If you connect to my machine why can't I obtain as much information about your machine as I can, using any means?"
Senator: Let's monitor P2P for illegal files (April 17, 2008) http://www.cnet.com/news/senat... "But in about half its cases, for purposes of longer-term tracking, the software captures "unique serial numbers" from the person's computer... "
It seems the get a unique "number" policy is an older method thats been used for a while now.
Is the number created from a larger set of details about a computer as seen down from the web or within a computer OS by pushed down gov crafted bespoke software?
But the MAC address was listed as something thats also been collected. Some consumer grade OS helps? Or gov software enters without any AV heuristic and behavioural protection been alerted to something new/different.
Third party outgoing software firewalls would not be alerted.. or AV products set to a high detection setting...
The US founding letters and documents are clear on the issues the US will face.
They lived under the tyranny of British occupation for years. All that taxation induced a fear of the UK returning one day.
At any time the UN could give the UK the role of rebuilding, rehabilitating and caring for its crumbling former US possession.
Free health care, government run prisons, MI5/6 and the GCHQ watching every move of the millions in the returned dominion, government works rebuilding local infrastructure, a massive new role for the The Colonial Office. Fully imported British Leyland cars.
The Treasury restocked with US wealth owed for generations with interest.
Extra letters, Darwinism and vowels been added to the national curriculum. The Church of England becoming the only real faith of advancement, privilege and the professional classes again. Deals done based on what university a person attended.
So the US takes every aspect of its founding, rights and responsibilities very seriously.
A new device has to be connected to your smart phone. Before every new operational cycle is allowed to be released an EULA has to be understood and a few questions clicked on. The EULA is long and a lock out time is allowed so the user can get each question correct. Only then will the device release control for exactly one operation. 5 requests result in a a short time out function.
All usage events are logged with gps and phoned home.
Thats what the UK did for its first nuclear component and design work. The UK government quickly worked out the US had taken all its nuclear secrets and was not going to share any of the results with the UK post ww2.
So a project was set up to pass all the skills to the private sector and then bring the results back into the UK as a production line within budget and on time.
The UK got its own nuclear systems ready and working via its own staff and skill sets.
Nations can use their private sectors with great efficiency, get amazing results with shareholders happy and enjoy exports for years.
The problem with the US is the structure of profit taking, contractors, entitled shareholders, foreign brands wanting their share using paper work US front companies.
The US is stuck with huge structures to remove cash from gov/mil projects and spread it around for a lot of profit taking. Whats left is for new work, maintenance or upgrades.
Fall back to one time pads for your embassies. No more huge networks chattering on crypto hardware from "trusted" fast, imported brands that seem to work for every other embassy. The big foreign brands are selling out your networking to competing nations every decade. Reduce the imports and use of any systems that report back to other nations by default as designed, as sold, as installed.
Great for interacting with tourists but dont put the entire nations secrets on foreign systems.
Have staff fly back home and talk in secure vaults and start using a constant flow of embassy staff. Stay away from anything sold as "networked" and "cryptographic" at low prices by competing nations.
Learn to fab your own chips. Create your own compilers. Work on programming languages and cryptography over a new generation of students. Teach all the mistakes of trusting imported crypto, chips, systems, networks. The chips created will be slow, hot, not very efficient but they will be your chips and your nations designers will understand every aspect of them.
Hold meetings about long term issues and international bids/trade, in person in suitable vaults. Stop using imported computer equipment to set and create policy on before its in public and final.
Use imported digital networks and the imported brands to flood other nations security services with crafted, long term disinformation.
Set up entire departments just to create shadow flows of expected information. Some advanced nations only have digital collection as the entirety of their clandestine services. So spread some interesting news in the expensive junk hardware.
We aware of staff going to other nations and returning with a huge shopping list of hardware and software for international integration and cooperation.
The same staff will then have to go on training or refresher courses, conferences and meetings with foreign manufacturer. The friendships, lifestyle are a form of been handled and turned. Use such contacts for long term disinformation by trusted staff over decades.
Harden networks between mil, gov, banking sites with more human contact and less chatter on fully imported digital "crypto" networks.
Use number station like efforts in world wide digital radio to pass out messages rather that per person contact on the internet.
If all that is too hard or expensive, just stop the staff chatter on sensitive national topics on fully imported crypto and networks.
All the news about trapdoors and backdoors is nothing new. France suffered total collection of its embassy codes by the US and GCHQ in the after WW2 into 1950's. Why? Their crypto was weak and their hardware was well understood by the crypto staff working for the US and UK.
1+ for that suggestion. Remove the issue and enjoy the internet:)
All the documents released or made public seem to show a huge trade in and demand for access into different OS.
Stop using one of the sold and traded ways into modern OS's.
re 'Everything you do in any digital format is about tracking you to make more dollars off you."
Many people paid for Windows 8, 7 over the years that had an upgrade, so that should be the users option to share anything back from 'their' desktop computer.
re 'I have to reboot, yes I wish I didn't have to, but it's really a small price to pay for piece of mind. "
Yes only use Microsoft for games. Keep any and all data away from an OS that phones home.
The other thought is what is in the file print about any file that is on a computer and what info could an OS send up from a computer about *any* file created or saved. AV, file checksums in a cloud?
Depends on the OS version and what "phone home" is. https://support.apple.com/kb/P... has some info on what and how search terms are used. The ability to stop search queries and Spotlight Suggestions usage data been sent back to Apple is also mentioned.
Each OS and version has its own settings as users of Window$ 10 are finding out more and more.
Just use privacy sucking Windows for games and learn to privacy set Mac OS X if needed. Linux for everything interesting.
The idea is a nation has real optical connections between its large national teaching hospitals and a more remote hospital in a distant regional area.
Local staff can set the equipment up, prep the patient as needed but the expert team is in a main city.
Bandwidth, data sets, networking is then less of an issue as the connection is the optical link.
For that a nation would have to invest in optical end to end. The issue with wireless is still the physics of real bandwidth, sharing, number of users, networking to ensure all wireless users get a fair share of the network.
What can wireless do? Reserve a fraction of very limited bandwidth and offer speed? Speed is good but that massive data flow also needs support.
Other traditional options are a hospital train, ship or fly in..
Yes the UK government sees the "internet" the way it saw the Irish phone system from the start. Every call, every number, every day was collected.
VPN use, onion routing just makes a user more interesting and adds no real technical issue to UK collection.
Re ""Yes, I did X. So what? Prosecute me. Put me in front of a jury of my peers and convict me for it.""
Thats how East Germany started with its protesters. A few seen in front of a church. Get images, follow them, plant charismatic informants, get informants into the very small protest groups. Fill the courts. The security state always felt it was always winning until cities filled with protesters.
Make sure your VPN is still safe when its fails, drops. Ensure an hardware solution or software option to allow only the VPN ip to be seen and not fall back to your normal ISP network ip. Given the lack of wanting to talk about the VPN issue seems to show the UK gov has the VPN issue well understood and tracked.
Onion routing and VPN use do not seem to worry the 5 eye nations.
It really depends who is getting the keys to the many months of ISP log retention databases without court oversight as part of their everyday tasks.
NGO's, trusted and cleared US brands in the UK helping with all image tracking, comparing image content, file names, government workers with a task to find financial, gambling issues over all UK data sets. Even local government can request cleared staff track images, messages back to people and then log their internet use with few or no court supervision.
Insiders who sold to the press or anyone with cash got to be a huge issue in the UK in the 1980-2010's within UK telco and computer systems.
A few attempts got made to try and re secure the most sensitive court computer networks but the amount of data been sold was so politically sensitive that investigations had to be re focused or stopped or blocked.
The UK tried with Operation Nigeria (1999), Operation Glade (2003), Goodman inquiry (2006), Yates review, Operation Weeting (2011), Operation Elveden (2011) other Select Committee questions.
The data flow out from secure systems and networks was vast and ongoing that further questions just showed more issues. Collect it all has always been open to anyone with a lot of cash and a few contacts:)
Yes it turns years of social media into your own numbers station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Your broadcasting about funny/holiday photos every day but only a few know what a color within a type of image would communicate.
The problem is the unique set of ip ranges and their origins that look at the images everyday.
The UK has been collecting details on, opening mail since the Defence of the Realm Act 1914 (DORA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
After 1918 the GC&CS (Government Code and Cypher School) still got all the UK cable companies messages in bulk. Collect it all is not new:)
Just as the US scans all details on postage via its Mail Isolation Control and Tracking systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Telegrams, phone use, telexes, fax all got the same US and UK collect it all interest.
The only solution was a one time pad to get privacy back knowing anonymity would always be lost.
Re "I hope within the next few generations, when we collectively realize that we threw away our freedoms, that we can summon the same courage to fight and sacrifice as our forefathers to get them back."
The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution still works over any new laws, legal authorities, amendments, acts, special procedures that are offered as cover for "collect it all" bulk domestic collection.
The new trick will be "emergency collection" pushed out domestically over decades for everyone:)
It rally depends on what the demand is.
An upgrade to an always on "software" ready splitter?
New onsite hardware and a dedicated gov optical link deep into the brands systems? An in place hardware splitter.
Or a classic per person/account request for all logs...
The "access" part sounds like ongoing, collect it all gets a result and then legal requests gets started vs legal action begins the logging.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes the Drone papers give some insight into that aspect https://theintercept.com/drone...
The conscience side is been worked on too. Expect a lot of new very well funded Hollywood movies, TV series, comics, books and other web 2.0 media to show a nice new friendly side to the contractor remote military industrial complex.
With the Smith–Mundt Act been reworked to allow domestic propaganda Smith–Mundt Act a flood of domestic good news stories can be gov funded to win hearts and minds about the use of drones soon.
"'Anti-Propaganda' Ban Repealed, Freeing State Dept. To Direct Its Broadcasting Arm At American Citizens" (2013/07/15)
https://www.techdirt.com/artic...
Geography is not an issue. Any nation can rollout optical links, add in cell towers, wireless towers for more remote locations, get optical down to many areas given a generation of telco workers, site access and now very cheap local manufacturing.
The problem is who to buy and fully import needed equipment from. Once a Cuban telco contract is final the US gov starts looking at any bank, brand and its links in or to the USA.
So any advanced EU, Asian, South American, African based exporter with the ability to sell parts, turn key telco rollout production lines, nation building telco product would face the results of the USA looking at its own sales, the brands banks and any other supporters or legal links.
Certain international codes can be revoked from supporting banks, brands restricted from the USA.
So Cuba has to be very creative in what it spends cash on, who it offers bids to, what it builds and designs domestically.
How secure are the more modern search sites with perfect forward secrecy and proxy services? Thanks.
Some people would do better in a more hands on setting.
Introduce the history of books and printing. A field trip to see a working linotype machine. Then further learning about how to read a book. Offer a wide selection of books eg: Fyodor Dostoevsky, F. Scott Fitzgerald, George Orwell, William Golding, Charles Dickens, J.D. Salinger, Jane Eyre, William Shakespeare, James Joyce, Anthony Burgess, Edgar Allen Poe...or this decades best sellers.
While given time and help to read a book introduce a history of video cameras and basic photography theory. After a selected book is understood make a short web 2.0 video about the book for say 5-10 minutes. Use the "book" as a topic and then use the more technical parts of the course to ensure a good quality video.
Perhaps a well designed new campus away from the traditional university campus areas could be set up. Areas set aside to enjoy reading indoors and outdoors without distractions. Offer good food and access to a more useful library focused on how to read and what to read rather than just books. Hardware labs with hands on tasks surrounding video, presentation, look and feel.
A few books over three years. Great quality videos uploaded for the world to enjoy. Everyone is happy.
Would entry exams not ensure people who can and want to study get in and have the skills to keep learning for a few more years?
Its not the course.
The selection of people been allowed to attend should ensure a limited number of places go to people who put in some effort to show they had some study skills in past academic settings.
"personal and subjective as learning?"
Years of testing, standardized testing and good education should have sorted that issue out a few years before consideration entry into an advanced higher educational setting.
If the retention rate is low adjust the ways people can be accepted until an academic balance is restored so more of the study ready students get accepted.
Most people admitted should be able to write up their work, present their work as requested and pass exams on time depending on the course as required in a that kind of educational setting.
Cable companies with captive networks wont just give up their deals with series and movies as the regional broadcasted for material for a set time.
Global content works great on a brands own network but third party series often get long term regional rights deals.
Re "If you connect to my machine why can't I obtain as much information about your machine as I can, using any means?" ... "
Senator: Let's monitor P2P for illegal files (April 17, 2008)
http://www.cnet.com/news/senat...
"But in about half its cases, for purposes of longer-term tracking, the software captures "unique serial numbers" from the person's computer
It seems the get a unique "number" policy is an older method thats been used for a while now.
Is the number created from a larger set of details about a computer as seen down from the web or within a computer OS by pushed down gov crafted bespoke software?
But the MAC address was listed as something thats also been collected. Some consumer grade OS helps? Or gov software enters without any AV heuristic and behavioural protection been alerted to something new/different.
Third party outgoing software firewalls would not be alerted.. or AV products set to a high detection setting...
The US founding letters and documents are clear on the issues the US will face.
They lived under the tyranny of British occupation for years. All that taxation induced a fear of the UK returning one day.
At any time the UN could give the UK the role of rebuilding, rehabilitating and caring for its crumbling former US possession.
Free health care, government run prisons, MI5/6 and the GCHQ watching every move of the millions in the returned dominion, government works rebuilding local infrastructure, a massive new role for the The Colonial Office. Fully imported British Leyland cars.
The Treasury restocked with US wealth owed for generations with interest.
Extra letters, Darwinism and vowels been added to the national curriculum. The Church of England becoming the only real faith of advancement, privilege and the professional classes again. Deals done based on what university a person attended.
So the US takes every aspect of its founding, rights and responsibilities very seriously.
A new device has to be connected to your smart phone. Before every new operational cycle is allowed to be released an EULA has to be understood and a few questions clicked on. The EULA is long and a lock out time is allowed so the user can get each question correct. Only then will the device release control for exactly one operation. 5 requests result in a a short time out function.
All usage events are logged with gps and phoned home.
Thats what the UK did for its first nuclear component and design work. The UK government quickly worked out the US had taken all its nuclear secrets and was not going to share any of the results with the UK post ww2.
So a project was set up to pass all the skills to the private sector and then bring the results back into the UK as a production line within budget and on time.
The UK got its own nuclear systems ready and working via its own staff and skill sets.
Nations can use their private sectors with great efficiency, get amazing results with shareholders happy and enjoy exports for years.
The problem with the US is the structure of profit taking, contractors, entitled shareholders, foreign brands wanting their share using paper work US front companies.
The US is stuck with huge structures to remove cash from gov/mil projects and spread it around for a lot of profit taking. Whats left is for new work, maintenance or upgrades.
Fall back to one time pads for your embassies. No more huge networks chattering on crypto hardware from "trusted" fast, imported brands that seem to work for every other embassy. The big foreign brands are selling out your networking to competing nations every decade. Reduce the imports and use of any systems that report back to other nations by default as designed, as sold, as installed.
Great for interacting with tourists but dont put the entire nations secrets on foreign systems.
Have staff fly back home and talk in secure vaults and start using a constant flow of embassy staff. Stay away from anything sold as "networked" and "cryptographic" at low prices by competing nations.
Learn to fab your own chips. Create your own compilers. Work on programming languages and cryptography over a new generation of students. Teach all the mistakes of trusting imported crypto, chips, systems, networks. The chips created will be slow, hot, not very efficient but they will be your chips and your nations designers will understand every aspect of them.
Hold meetings about long term issues and international bids/trade, in person in suitable vaults. Stop using imported computer equipment to set and create policy on before its in public and final.
Use imported digital networks and the imported brands to flood other nations security services with crafted, long term disinformation.
Set up entire departments just to create shadow flows of expected information. Some advanced nations only have digital collection as the entirety of their clandestine services. So spread some interesting news in the expensive junk hardware.
We aware of staff going to other nations and returning with a huge shopping list of hardware and software for international integration and cooperation.
The same staff will then have to go on training or refresher courses, conferences and meetings with foreign manufacturer. The friendships, lifestyle are a form of been handled and turned. Use such contacts for long term disinformation by trusted staff over decades.
Harden networks between mil, gov, banking sites with more human contact and less chatter on fully imported digital "crypto" networks.
Use number station like efforts in world wide digital radio to pass out messages rather that per person contact on the internet.
If all that is too hard or expensive, just stop the staff chatter on sensitive national topics on fully imported crypto and networks.
All the news about trapdoors and backdoors is nothing new. France suffered total collection of its embassy codes by the US and GCHQ in the after WW2 into 1950's. Why? Their crypto was weak and their hardware was well understood by the crypto staff working for the US and UK.
1+ for that suggestion. Remove the issue and enjoy the internet :)
All the documents released or made public seem to show a huge trade in and demand for access into different OS.
Stop using one of the sold and traded ways into modern OS's.
re 'Everything you do in any digital format is about tracking you to make more dollars off you."
Many people paid for Windows 8, 7 over the years that had an upgrade, so that should be the users option to share anything back from 'their' desktop computer.
re 'I have to reboot, yes I wish I didn't have to, but it's really a small price to pay for piece of mind. "
Yes only use Microsoft for games. Keep any and all data away from an OS that phones home.
The other thought is what is in the file print about any file that is on a computer and what info could an OS send up from a computer about *any* file created or saved. AV, file checksums in a cloud?
Depends on the OS version and what "phone home" is.
https://support.apple.com/kb/P... has some info on what and how search terms are used. The ability to stop search queries and Spotlight Suggestions usage data been sent back to Apple is also mentioned.
Each OS and version has its own settings as users of Window$ 10 are finding out more and more.
Just use privacy sucking Windows for games and learn to privacy set Mac OS X if needed. Linux for everything interesting.
The idea is a nation has real optical connections between its large national teaching hospitals and a more remote hospital in a distant regional area.
Local staff can set the equipment up, prep the patient as needed but the expert team is in a main city.
Bandwidth, data sets, networking is then less of an issue as the connection is the optical link. For that a nation would have to invest in optical end to end. The issue with wireless is still the physics of real bandwidth, sharing, number of users, networking to ensure all wireless users get a fair share of the network.
What can wireless do? Reserve a fraction of very limited bandwidth and offer speed? Speed is good but that massive data flow also needs support.
Other traditional options are a hospital train, ship or fly in..
Yes the UK government sees the "internet" the way it saw the Irish phone system from the start. Every call, every number, every day was collected.
VPN use, onion routing just makes a user more interesting and adds no real technical issue to UK collection.
Re ""Yes, I did X. So what? Prosecute me. Put me in front of a jury of my peers and convict me for it.""
Thats how East Germany started with its protesters. A few seen in front of a church. Get images, follow them, plant charismatic informants, get informants into the very small protest groups. Fill the courts. The security state always felt it was always winning until cities filled with protesters.
Make sure your VPN is still safe when its fails, drops. Ensure an hardware solution or software option to allow only the VPN ip to be seen and not fall back to your normal ISP network ip. Given the lack of wanting to talk about the VPN issue seems to show the UK gov has the VPN issue well understood and tracked.
Onion routing and VPN use do not seem to worry the 5 eye nations.
It really depends who is getting the keys to the many months of ISP log retention databases without court oversight as part of their everyday tasks. :)
NGO's, trusted and cleared US brands in the UK helping with all image tracking, comparing image content, file names, government workers with a task to find financial, gambling issues over all UK data sets. Even local government can request cleared staff track images, messages back to people and then log their internet use with few or no court supervision.
Insiders who sold to the press or anyone with cash got to be a huge issue in the UK in the 1980-2010's within UK telco and computer systems.
A few attempts got made to try and re secure the most sensitive court computer networks but the amount of data been sold was so politically sensitive that investigations had to be re focused or stopped or blocked.
The UK tried with Operation Nigeria (1999), Operation Glade (2003), Goodman inquiry (2006), Yates review, Operation Weeting (2011), Operation Elveden (2011) other Select Committee questions.
The data flow out from secure systems and networks was vast and ongoing that further questions just showed more issues. Collect it all has always been open to anyone with a lot of cash and a few contacts
You can set the time for each term over minutes. Most of the time more CAPTCHAs like challenges would start to be sent to that ip.
Yes it turns years of social media into your own numbers station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Your broadcasting about funny/holiday photos every day but only a few know what a color within a type of image would communicate.
The problem is the unique set of ip ranges and their origins that look at the images everyday.
The UK has been collecting details on, opening mail since the Defence of the Realm Act 1914 (DORA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... :)
After 1918 the GC&CS (Government Code and Cypher School) still got all the UK cable companies messages in bulk. Collect it all is not new
Just as the US scans all details on postage via its Mail Isolation Control and Tracking systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Telegrams, phone use, telexes, fax all got the same US and UK collect it all interest.
The only solution was a one time pad to get privacy back knowing anonymity would always be lost.
Could have had it all back in the day with HyperCard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
+1 for LaTeX. Learn with what looks great in print and the publishing, editing, peer review experts understand.
Re "I hope within the next few generations, when we collectively realize that we threw away our freedoms, that we can summon the same courage to fight and sacrifice as our forefathers to get them back." :)
The Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution still works over any new laws, legal authorities, amendments, acts, special procedures that are offered as cover for "collect it all" bulk domestic collection.
The new trick will be "emergency collection" pushed out domestically over decades for everyone
It rally depends on what the demand is.
An upgrade to an always on "software" ready splitter?
New onsite hardware and a dedicated gov optical link deep into the brands systems? An in place hardware splitter.
Or a classic per person/account request for all logs...
The "access" part sounds like ongoing, collect it all gets a result and then legal requests gets started vs legal action begins the logging.