Over time you link banner in with a cookie, flash cookie and database cookie folders.
ie as with the first gen flash cookies you get a a unique ID and can be tracked online for a while.
What was once online marketing activities in 100KB deep in a browser is now todays police work.
It makes searching domestic telco data legal under the "reasonable articulable suspicion" part.
A few hops of friends or the wrong net logs or phone history and most people could be found to be an "agent of a foreign power, associated with an agent of a foreign power, or "in contact with, or known to, a suspected agent of a foreign power"".
Then you get all the metadata legally. The old standard of a "reasonable articulable suspicion" is much lowered by easy new domestic color of law:)
No judge needed and you get the first two hops of tracking friends/family for free. The "foreign power" part ensures any contact with the outside world is an instant total data collection win. Bulk collection is now legal and the laws around it weaker re your internet or financial records. The three hop 'the corporate store" collections showed the real past efforts safe from any Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
The House's NSA bill could allow more spying than ever. You call this reform? (26 March 2014) http://www.theguardian.com/com...
Raiding the "Corporate Store": The NSA's Unfettered Access to a Vast Pool of Americans' Phone Data (08/02/2013) https://www.aclu.org/blog/nati...
Welcome to the legal lock box of all your calls and aspects of your net use over decades.
Yes they are really only part of the intelligence community and report to each other. Mass surveillance programs brings new funding and political standing in that growing community. To have data and present it before other agencies is the only political win. No more doing limited support work of other appropriate agencies, via mass surveillance programs they get to set and shape real missions.
A change, new role, more power and more funding over other traditional agencies.
The problem is nations or groups worth real surveillance have be aware of the UK/US telco tech efforts since the 1950-60's so costly mass surveillance is the only method to keep the funds flowing and projects growing.
Will domestic mass surveillance be stopped? No it will be renamed, offered as support for other law enforcement tasks, hidden deep in the mil or passed to the UK or Canada. After a few project name changes all will be good again as it was after legal questions in the 1970's.
"Church Committee" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Some AC sockpuppets really, really want another long war somewhere. Iraq, Somalia, what was Yugoslavia, Pakistan, Libya, Afghanistan with occupations, drones, shared sites, pirate/rebel hunt, training missions, pipeline protection, base help just will not keep the gov and private military industrial complex going. They need to sell and rent seek on an endless "Cold" war scale again.
So expect to see a flood of perfectly packaged news stories from different regions hinting at the need for constant support, spending, supplies, experts and boots on the ground for decades.
Re "plant from the early 60s relates here"
Plants often come form nuclear reactor designs and prototypes from the 1950's and 1960's.
We are now seeing the results of a very old sector trying to rebuild itself with new parts. Replacement steam generator plugging (failed pressure test and needed to be plugged). We have seen issues with air tightness of the reactor containments, issues in the re circulation pipe systems, cracks in the core shroud.
Then you have the complex costs of cleaning out a boiling water reactor and a pressurized water reactor ie radioactive steam moves via the entire plant system, tritium leaks, spent fuel storage costs vs limited decommissioning funds. Moving to dry storage and then moving all the regular waste from decommissioning and dismantlement (disposal license). The old plants waste size adds up and all you have a few Class A waste sites? Class B and C waste with more long-lived and short-lived radionuclides can just wait? Weld anomalies, through wall corrosion, corrosion of steel containments, walls of steel containments below the minimum design thickness. The old plants have containment degradation, metal pressure boundary corrosion incidents. Add in the fun of uprated license extensions to 2040+ with a power increase (Stretched Power Uprate).
Re "Doesn't sound very constitutional to me. What have we become?"
In the past the GCHQ would do everything it could to stay out of court closed or open. No methods, no logs, no experts with no pasts to confirm documents as found, decrypted.
Any information gathered would have to be undergo parallel construction by other services or methods to remove any signal or decoding aspects.
The problem for the US is the very public talk of " all the phone records into a lockbox" to be reconstructed anytime over a persons life.
Within the US there is limited access to the top political policy setting. Other groups within the US domestic and more international law enforcement may not like a signals conversation with the public.
What the GCHQ only had to fend off every few decades in the UK with policy makers is now very public in the USA - total mastery of global telecommunications network with generational storage.
Slowly the other aspect is becoming more public too: "European Court Says CIA Ran Secret Jail in a Polish Forest" (July 24, 2014) http://www.nytimes.com/reuters...
Its the age old use of signals intelligence - never tell the public and it is perfect. The problem for the USA is so many groups are now using signals intelligence that they all want the big wins in public and closed trials.
The problem is once signals intelligence gets out in court at a city, state, federal level - the magic stops. Every court connected member of the press, legal profession, law enforcement suddenly has a story to sell, tell or whisper. Anybody who needs to know about crime and signals intelligence can then just buy the methods and drop out.
What did the UK learn early on? Dont give political leaders raw information about the Soviet Union - ever. Dont go to court over spies - ever.
Dont go to court over leaks, whistleblowers or tell all books or for peace activists.
The UK knows the stories then just drop away from the front pages and drift off into academic books with very limited print runs.
The real unknown is the US cyber industrial complex with products to sell, rent and look after in every city and state if lobbied.
The West has become one big signals intelligence marketplace and laws need to be relaxed to enjoy new sales:)
The US has its own plans http://judiciary.house.gov/ind... (Jul 24 2014)
Read what the US gov could do in the first 10 page pdf:
"amend the law to create a felony penalty for unauthorized Internet streaming. Specifically, we recommend the creation of legislation to establish a felony charge for infringement through unauthorised public performances conducted for commercial advantage or private financial gain,”"
and for the international friends:
"diplomatic and trade-based pressure"
All that happened in the USA was the protest leaders where identified, set up or turned. The rest is just busy work.
COINTELPRO has never worked so well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
As for Australia, watching all law reform groups is trivial for the police and security services.
The traction the anti Vietnam war draft movement had in Australia will never be allowed to build for any issue.
I thought ASIO malware was only going to be reserved for the "suspected terrorists and other security interests" and only "...used in extremely limited circumstances and only when explicitly approved by the Attorney-General through a warrant."
One Australia wide warrant for all p2p users then?
Be fun to see how the mass use of state sanction zero day malware interacts with average consumer grade heuristic analysis in your average consumer antivirus program?
Will all the AV brands selling in Australia be expected to whitelist for ASIO?
How will it work? A national block on a huge set of p2p index sites? A national block on a huge set of download link index sites?
What more can an isp be commanded do? Deep packet inspection for rar files as downloaded?
The long term logging of all users by isp to be automatically cross referenced with p2p tracking industry groups?
Issue a decree that Australian banks and related credit card products are not to pay for VPN or other encrypted services that hide users from their Australian isp?
Then have laws ready to send end users identified by the tame isp after the 2nd letter for state-mandated copyright awareness counseling?
A ban on the internet for users caught again? Or users kept away from the internet for a few months or years?
After all that hard legal work why not just allow other US or UK streaming media services into Australia? Let Australians buy access to any US or UK show, movie as in US or UK? Let them pay per show or per season from any US media provider they like.
Who gets extra "privacy" from drone use?
The main fear is US state based "Ag-gag" anti-whistleblower laws eg Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... getting media attention.
The price of getting videos showing animal cruelty is dropping.
The price of getting videos showing hydraulic fracturing or "fracking" pollution dropping.
A lot of US states are trying to use laws like: 'Commerce Protection Act", "an act relating to agricultural facility fraud", "Livestock Operation Interference Act", "Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act", "Farm Animal and Research Facilities Protection Act", “visual or audio experience occurring at [an] animal facility.”
Just talking about federal law enforcement views around drones, HD media, size of drones, drone costs could alert national and state media to local stories as filler.
The best way out for the FBI is to redact all, no story, no media interest, no local press on their states expanding ag gag laws.
Re the AC ' I do admit though that spies could also take advantage of it"
Read the origin papers the grants and funding: http://www.onion-router.net/Sp... https://www.torproject.org/abo...
"It was originally developed with the U.S. Navy in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government communications."
The origins are Office of Naval Research and DARPA. Have a read of http://www.onion-router.net/Pu... AC.
ie bi-directional gov/spy communication that would hide the source and destination from another gov or telco in the middle ie intelligence usage, security technology.
But once a system like that is seen in the wild, it is trackable. You need to hide that under huge amounts of people seeking free speech in oppressive regimes.
Follow the early no-bid federal contract, non-profit, pass through funding or gov funding.
Re How the West could do it:
You need trust that the exit nodes are fast, well funded and NGO like. You need national level mastery of all packet traffic in and out of every tame provider.
Think of the cost of setting and funding per month a really good set of TOR servers/nodes.
You would really want the commanding height of the fastest say top 5 exit relays, then a larger pool of a good few 10's of other relays.
This would herd and make clear most traffic in a larger nation.
To cover this project set up as many NGO, friendly "person" like fronts as you can to do the heavy lifting. You have to win the packet race with all other server products in the domestic and international interconnect locations every hour. No hard, just ensure your nations telco network has a lot of end points that peers all telco plans to say an east and west coast or big main city. Get the young intelligence community staff to hold "crypto parties" where other real NGO's can put a friendly face to the new big servers. This builds confidence that its a nice real person working with some of more big tor exits. Add in some work colleges of the young intelligence community staff to set up Tor nodes and a country will soon have real faces to a lot of the back end hardware.
As for price? Think back to the GCHQ's 2006 programmes around the SIGMod (sigint modernisation) initiative and a nation can get Tempora http://www.wired.co.uk/news/ar... (24 June 2013)
Once you have every packet moving in and out of a nation, just sort deep over time.
After that you have the telco net down the the users and can get unique hardware/software layer information per user, no matter the ip or provider like with p2p and classic MAC addresses.
The honeypot aspect was talked about in 1997.
I am sure some pro nuclear AC will put it in terms of fruit, nuts, flights or average medical exposure as the classic talking point. What this will do to your lungs or after ingestion is the risk never mentioned.
Yes get the OS to create its own files to move up everyday. All the good aspects of the cloud, nothing to see but encrypted files your OS understands and can recreate, search. Storage space is all you need.
Re 'Wouldn't it be much more efficient to just eliminate the polygraph altogether?"
Not if your selling and using the kit at a state and federal level.
The UK and other nations know you have to look at a persons life story, interview parents face to face, extended family, friends. School, local courts, chased down old paper records and build up a real generational life story of reading material, internet use, political ideas, faith, links to other nations, links to other nations faith, cash flow.
The US finds this to be hard work that is stuck with cleared gov staff - no private sector profits. So they have passed testing onto a person doing a test in a chair.
At best they watch your reading habit on the internet, do some digital database searches and very carefully note what your reading before the test. A rapid spike in internet searches for "polygraph" or an order for print books on 'polygraph" before the test is noted.
The rest is just time saving questions about your life, reading lists, political connections, family with the cheap digital review/state federal database search as a guide.
The average person sees a complex medical device and the charm of an interviewer hinting they know the person is feeling a certain way and want to "help".
That the job is great for them, but they have to help with a second or third test and really open up, the 'feelings' aspect.
A real spy knows that they are loyal to, faith is and what the truth is - they have no issues or feelings to mess them up on the day.
An average skilled worker with a lot to offer will over think the questions and might fail. A huge loss for the nation over decades.
The UK thought hard about this in the 1980's and seemed to understand what a real look into a persons life was about vs a digital search and perfect interview skills on one day.
The calm spies stay in, the good useful people mess up and are not considered.
The use of slang, street smarts, been part of a hidden culture, keeping that side of you hidden and having traveled the world might be seen as useful.
Or to pick out a person who is not part of that culture very quickly.
The other aspects is cash flow, law enforcement files and blackmail over things you might have done to enjoy that expensive activity.
It really depends on what part of the gov found you or who you face in the interviews.
Some are deeply devout teetotaler other staff might be more world wise and want people who can fit in around the world.
Signals intelligence at home facing blackmail vs an understanding of human intelligence in the field globally.
Re "Point is, if they want you on 'a list', they'll put you on the list, no matter what you do or don't do."
Reworking the old Soviet "owning a western watch" joke:
Three frequent flyers in a military prison get to talking about why they are there. "I am here because I always got to airport five minutes late, and they charged me with sneaking in", says the first. "I am here because I kept getting to airport 2 hours early, and they charged me with spying" says the second. "I am here because I got to airport on time," says the third, "and they charged me with owning a watch."
Thats interesting AC but recall the FBI infiltration program called Patcon (Patriot Conspiracy) around 1991?
The laws, funding, interest was always ready. This new more simple legal listing is just a new next step to gather more people onto new and existing databases.
Patriot Games http://www.foreignpolicy.com/a...
If you want to go back further you had Project MINARET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
i.e. "watch lists" of American citizens around 1967 and 1973.
No judicial oversight, no warrants for interception and even got some UK help too:)
Re:"Face it, this site and it's users aren't even on their radar."
Yes we are AC
Recall Quantum insert? "GCHQ Created Spoofed LinkedIn and Slashdot Sites To Serve Malware" http://news.slashdot.org/story... http://arstechnica.com/tech-po... (Nov 11 2013)
We are of interest to some part of the intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. What one nation finds is shared with the other 5:) (and a few other nations too)
Re Since when is Tor popular?
Think back to the mid/late 1990's as the start point for some onion routing topics.
Naval Research Labs Review had the 1997 paper "Private Web Browsing".
Would early/mid 2000 be another interesting time? The funding, grants, press where in place by 2005. More grants over 2007-2010+
Follow the funding back in the day (Office of Naval Research and DARPA), understand the funding for the huge costly, fast exit nodes in the US early on.
The origins where for open source intelligence gathering by the US mil and the US gov support of "freedom fighters" spreading democracy.
The main issue early on was any user of the tech would be seen as a tool of the US gov. Not good if emerging human intelligence stands out on any telco system.
How was this set back to be fixed? By flooding the network with diverse users globally and offering free bandwidth, better speed and pushing the an open source grassroots technology front.
The press, dissidents and whistleblowers, all kinds of sites started to spread news about wanting to help people the in repressive countries.
ie a large group of users had to be created allow gov users to hide and help with the node/relay.
Carefully crafted news dropped the military and intelligence origins and pushed the press, First Amendment, dissidents, protected speech side.
Follow the early grants back ie "Pass-Through" funding.
Terms like '“Basic and Applied Research and Development in Areas Relating to the Navy Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance.”" seems to be floating around.
Finally we got to Snowden and the Stinks page. "Critical mass" - the users are all on the same network, and we are back to the fast exit relays question.
Follow the few law enforcement stories, if you have all data moving out of a network, around the world a few times and then back into the same network?
Its simple to find the in ip, back from the message sent. We also now know that the "internet" in some countries is a known network Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and XKeyscore http://daserste.ndr.de/panoram...
Thats a lot of cash to just spend on letters and a database. The letters get tracking and logging started within a legal gov framework. Someone seems to see a long term plan with the letters and logging funding. The chilling effect of just knowing your in a database and all your net use is been reviewed? Interconnected local databases? A digital version of the classic anti-social behaviour order (ASBO) at a 'community-based level?
That could see a vast network of watching, logging, reporting and costly face to face meetings with some 'injunction' that flows to a criminal offence if breached.
A lot of free support from tax payers for a new more very local ACTA:)
A per year quota that uses your details as the only unique information? Your address, isp can change but the count stays with you as the person who signed up with that isp and ip as found.
Yes the 4 letters show a history of infringement and the isp's can show bandwidth use too. Its the legal cover for the hard part of traditional cases for free via a stored database of letters sent.
Some nice political cover and colour of law. They only want to educate you with warnings.
Its the lawyers that take the final step to seek an identity. The gov and providers can walk away from any long term logging questions. Months of stored logs are just for the 4 letter compliance.
Slashdot Mirror
Over time you link banner in with a cookie, flash cookie and database cookie folders.
ie as with the first gen flash cookies you get a a unique ID and can be tracked online for a while.
What was once online marketing activities in 100KB deep in a browser is now todays police work.
It makes searching domestic telco data legal under the "reasonable articulable suspicion" part. :)
A few hops of friends or the wrong net logs or phone history and most people could be found to be an "agent of a foreign power, associated with an agent of a foreign power, or "in contact with, or known to, a suspected agent of a foreign power"".
Then you get all the metadata legally. The old standard of a "reasonable articulable suspicion" is much lowered by easy new domestic color of law
No judge needed and you get the first two hops of tracking friends/family for free. The "foreign power" part ensures any contact with the outside world is an instant total data collection win. Bulk collection is now legal and the laws around it weaker re your internet or financial records. The three hop 'the corporate store" collections showed the real past efforts safe from any Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.
The House's NSA bill could allow more spying than ever. You call this reform? (26 March 2014)
http://www.theguardian.com/com...
Raiding the "Corporate Store": The NSA's Unfettered Access to a Vast Pool of Americans' Phone Data (08/02/2013)
https://www.aclu.org/blog/nati...
Welcome to the legal lock box of all your calls and aspects of your net use over decades.
Yes they are really only part of the intelligence community and report to each other. Mass surveillance programs brings new funding and political standing in that growing community. To have data and present it before other agencies is the only political win. No more doing limited support work of other appropriate agencies, via mass surveillance programs they get to set and shape real missions.
A change, new role, more power and more funding over other traditional agencies.
The problem is nations or groups worth real surveillance have be aware of the UK/US telco tech efforts since the 1950-60's so costly mass surveillance is the only method to keep the funds flowing and projects growing.
Will domestic mass surveillance be stopped? No it will be renamed, offered as support for other law enforcement tasks, hidden deep in the mil or passed to the UK or Canada. After a few project name changes all will be good again as it was after legal questions in the 1970's.
"Church Committee"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Some AC sockpuppets really, really want another long war somewhere. Iraq, Somalia, what was Yugoslavia, Pakistan, Libya, Afghanistan with occupations, drones, shared sites, pirate/rebel hunt, training missions, pipeline protection, base help just will not keep the gov and private military industrial complex going. They need to sell and rent seek on an endless "Cold" war scale again.
So expect to see a flood of perfectly packaged news stories from different regions hinting at the need for constant support, spending, supplies, experts and boots on the ground for decades.
Re "plant from the early 60s relates here"
Plants often come form nuclear reactor designs and prototypes from the 1950's and 1960's.
We are now seeing the results of a very old sector trying to rebuild itself with new parts. Replacement steam generator plugging (failed pressure test and needed to be plugged). We have seen issues with air tightness of the reactor containments, issues in the re circulation pipe systems, cracks in the core shroud.
Then you have the complex costs of cleaning out a boiling water reactor and a pressurized water reactor ie radioactive steam moves via the entire plant system, tritium leaks, spent fuel storage costs vs limited decommissioning funds. Moving to dry storage and then moving all the regular waste from decommissioning and dismantlement (disposal license). The old plants waste size adds up and all you have a few Class A waste sites? Class B and C waste with more long-lived and short-lived radionuclides can just wait? Weld anomalies, through wall corrosion, corrosion of steel containments, walls of steel containments below the minimum design thickness. The old plants have containment degradation, metal pressure boundary corrosion incidents. Add in the fun of uprated license extensions to 2040+ with a power increase (Stretched Power Uprate).
Re "Doesn't sound very constitutional to me. What have we become?" :)
In the past the GCHQ would do everything it could to stay out of court closed or open. No methods, no logs, no experts with no pasts to confirm documents as found, decrypted.
Any information gathered would have to be undergo parallel construction by other services or methods to remove any signal or decoding aspects.
The problem for the US is the very public talk of " all the phone records into a lockbox" to be reconstructed anytime over a persons life.
Within the US there is limited access to the top political policy setting. Other groups within the US domestic and more international law enforcement may not like a signals conversation with the public.
What the GCHQ only had to fend off every few decades in the UK with policy makers is now very public in the USA - total mastery of global telecommunications network with generational storage.
Slowly the other aspect is becoming more public too: "European Court Says CIA Ran Secret Jail in a Polish Forest" (July 24, 2014)
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters...
Its the age old use of signals intelligence - never tell the public and it is perfect. The problem for the USA is so many groups are now using signals intelligence that they all want the big wins in public and closed trials.
The problem is once signals intelligence gets out in court at a city, state, federal level - the magic stops. Every court connected member of the press, legal profession, law enforcement suddenly has a story to sell, tell or whisper.
Anybody who needs to know about crime and signals intelligence can then just buy the methods and drop out.
What did the UK learn early on? Dont give political leaders raw information about the Soviet Union - ever. Dont go to court over spies - ever. Dont go to court over leaks, whistleblowers or tell all books or for peace activists.
The UK knows the stories then just drop away from the front pages and drift off into academic books with very limited print runs.
The real unknown is the US cyber industrial complex with products to sell, rent and look after in every city and state if lobbied.
The West has become one big signals intelligence marketplace and laws need to be relaxed to enjoy new sales
The US has its own plans http://judiciary.house.gov/ind... (Jul 24 2014)
Read what the US gov could do in the first 10 page pdf:
"amend the law to create a felony penalty for unauthorized Internet streaming. Specifically, we recommend the creation of legislation to establish a felony charge for infringement through unauthorised public performances conducted for commercial advantage or private financial gain,”"
and for the international friends:
"diplomatic and trade-based pressure"
All that happened in the USA was the protest leaders where identified, set up or turned. The rest is just busy work.
COINTELPRO has never worked so well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
As for Australia, watching all law reform groups is trivial for the police and security services.
The traction the anti Vietnam war draft movement had in Australia will never be allowed to build for any issue.
I thought ASIO malware was only going to be reserved for the "suspected terrorists and other security interests" and only "...used in extremely limited circumstances and only when explicitly approved by the Attorney-General through a warrant."
One Australia wide warrant for all p2p users then?
Be fun to see how the mass use of state sanction zero day malware interacts with average consumer grade heuristic analysis in your average consumer antivirus program?
Will all the AV brands selling in Australia be expected to whitelist for ASIO?
How will it work? A national block on a huge set of p2p index sites? A national block on a huge set of download link index sites?
What more can an isp be commanded do? Deep packet inspection for rar files as downloaded?
The long term logging of all users by isp to be automatically cross referenced with p2p tracking industry groups?
Issue a decree that Australian banks and related credit card products are not to pay for VPN or other encrypted services that hide users from their Australian isp?
Then have laws ready to send end users identified by the tame isp after the 2nd letter for state-mandated copyright awareness counseling?
A ban on the internet for users caught again? Or users kept away from the internet for a few months or years?
After all that hard legal work why not just allow other US or UK streaming media services into Australia? Let Australians buy access to any US or UK show, movie as in US or UK? Let them pay per show or per season from any US media provider they like.
Who gets extra "privacy" from drone use?
The main fear is US state based "Ag-gag" anti-whistleblower laws eg Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... getting media attention.
The price of getting videos showing animal cruelty is dropping.
The price of getting videos showing hydraulic fracturing or "fracking" pollution dropping.
A lot of US states are trying to use laws like: 'Commerce Protection Act", "an act relating to agricultural facility fraud", "Livestock Operation Interference Act", "Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act", "Farm Animal and Research Facilities Protection Act", “visual or audio experience occurring at [an] animal facility.”
Just talking about federal law enforcement views around drones, HD media, size of drones, drone costs could alert national and state media to local stories as filler.
The best way out for the FBI is to redact all, no story, no media interest, no local press on their states expanding ag gag laws.
Re the AC ' I do admit though that spies could also take advantage of it"
Read the origin papers the grants and funding:
http://www.onion-router.net/Sp...
https://www.torproject.org/abo...
"It was originally developed with the U.S. Navy in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government communications."
The origins are Office of Naval Research and DARPA. Have a read of http://www.onion-router.net/Pu... AC.
ie bi-directional gov/spy communication that would hide the source and destination from another gov or telco in the middle ie intelligence usage, security technology.
But once a system like that is seen in the wild, it is trackable. You need to hide that under huge amounts of people seeking free speech in oppressive regimes.
Follow the early no-bid federal contract, non-profit, pass through funding or gov funding.
Re How the West could do it:
You need trust that the exit nodes are fast, well funded and NGO like. You need national level mastery of all packet traffic in and out of every tame provider.
Think of the cost of setting and funding per month a really good set of TOR servers/nodes.
You would really want the commanding height of the fastest say top 5 exit relays, then a larger pool of a good few 10's of other relays.
This would herd and make clear most traffic in a larger nation.
To cover this project set up as many NGO, friendly "person" like fronts as you can to do the heavy lifting. You have to win the packet race with all other server products in the domestic and international interconnect locations every hour. No hard, just ensure your nations telco network has a lot of end points that peers all telco plans to say an east and west coast or big main city. Get the young intelligence community staff to hold "crypto parties" where other real NGO's can put a friendly face to the new big servers. This builds confidence that its a nice real person working with some of more big tor exits. Add in some work colleges of the young intelligence community staff to set up Tor nodes and a country will soon have real faces to a lot of the back end hardware.
As for price? Think back to the GCHQ's 2006 programmes around the SIGMod (sigint modernisation) initiative and a nation can get Tempora http://www.wired.co.uk/news/ar... (24 June 2013)
Once you have every packet moving in and out of a nation, just sort deep over time.
After that you have the telco net down the the users and can get unique hardware/software layer information per user, no matter the ip or provider like with p2p and classic MAC addresses.
The honeypot aspect was talked about in 1997.
I am sure some pro nuclear AC will put it in terms of fruit, nuts, flights or average medical exposure as the classic talking point. What this will do to your lungs or after ingestion is the risk never mentioned.
Yes get the OS to create its own files to move up everyday. All the good aspects of the cloud, nothing to see but encrypted files your OS understands and can recreate, search. Storage space is all you need.
Re 'Wouldn't it be much more efficient to just eliminate the polygraph altogether?"
Not if your selling and using the kit at a state and federal level.
The UK and other nations know you have to look at a persons life story, interview parents face to face, extended family, friends. School, local courts, chased down old paper records and build up a real generational life story of reading material, internet use, political ideas, faith, links to other nations, links to other nations faith, cash flow.
The US finds this to be hard work that is stuck with cleared gov staff - no private sector profits. So they have passed testing onto a person doing a test in a chair.
At best they watch your reading habit on the internet, do some digital database searches and very carefully note what your reading before the test. A rapid spike in internet searches for "polygraph" or an order for print books on 'polygraph" before the test is noted.
The rest is just time saving questions about your life, reading lists, political connections, family with the cheap digital review/state federal database search as a guide.
The average person sees a complex medical device and the charm of an interviewer hinting they know the person is feeling a certain way and want to "help".
That the job is great for them, but they have to help with a second or third test and really open up, the 'feelings' aspect.
A real spy knows that they are loyal to, faith is and what the truth is - they have no issues or feelings to mess them up on the day.
An average skilled worker with a lot to offer will over think the questions and might fail. A huge loss for the nation over decades.
The UK thought hard about this in the 1980's and seemed to understand what a real look into a persons life was about vs a digital search and perfect interview skills on one day.
The calm spies stay in, the good useful people mess up and are not considered.
The use of slang, street smarts, been part of a hidden culture, keeping that side of you hidden and having traveled the world might be seen as useful.
Or to pick out a person who is not part of that culture very quickly.
The other aspects is cash flow, law enforcement files and blackmail over things you might have done to enjoy that expensive activity.
It really depends on what part of the gov found you or who you face in the interviews.
Some are deeply devout teetotaler other staff might be more world wise and want people who can fit in around the world.
Signals intelligence at home facing blackmail vs an understanding of human intelligence in the field globally.
Re "Point is, if they want you on 'a list', they'll put you on the list, no matter what you do or don't do."
Reworking the old Soviet "owning a western watch" joke:
Three frequent flyers in a military prison get to talking about why they are there.
"I am here because I always got to airport five minutes late, and they charged me with sneaking in", says the first.
"I am here because I kept getting to airport 2 hours early, and they charged me with spying" says the second.
"I am here because I got to airport on time," says the third, "and they charged me with owning a watch."
Thats interesting AC but recall the FBI infiltration program called Patcon (Patriot Conspiracy) around 1991? :)
The laws, funding, interest was always ready. This new more simple legal listing is just a new next step to gather more people onto new and existing databases.
Patriot Games
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/a...
If you want to go back further you had Project MINARET http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
i.e. "watch lists" of American citizens around 1967 and 1973.
No judicial oversight, no warrants for interception and even got some UK help too
Re:"Face it, this site and it's users aren't even on their radar." :) (and a few other nations too)
Yes we are AC
Recall Quantum insert? "GCHQ Created Spoofed LinkedIn and Slashdot Sites To Serve Malware"
http://news.slashdot.org/story...
http://arstechnica.com/tech-po... (Nov 11 2013)
We are of interest to some part of the intelligence alliance comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States. What one nation finds is shared with the other 5
Re Since when is Tor popular?
Think back to the mid/late 1990's as the start point for some onion routing topics.
Naval Research Labs Review had the 1997 paper "Private Web Browsing".
Would early/mid 2000 be another interesting time? The funding, grants, press where in place by 2005. More grants over 2007-2010+
Follow the funding back in the day (Office of Naval Research and DARPA), understand the funding for the huge costly, fast exit nodes in the US early on.
The origins where for open source intelligence gathering by the US mil and the US gov support of "freedom fighters" spreading democracy.
The main issue early on was any user of the tech would be seen as a tool of the US gov. Not good if emerging human intelligence stands out on any telco system.
How was this set back to be fixed? By flooding the network with diverse users globally and offering free bandwidth, better speed and pushing the an open source grassroots technology front.
The press, dissidents and whistleblowers, all kinds of sites started to spread news about wanting to help people the in repressive countries.
ie a large group of users had to be created allow gov users to hide and help with the node/relay.
Carefully crafted news dropped the military and intelligence origins and pushed the press, First Amendment, dissidents, protected speech side.
Follow the early grants back ie "Pass-Through" funding.
Terms like '“Basic and Applied Research and Development in Areas Relating to the Navy Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance.”" seems to be floating around.
Finally we got to Snowden and the Stinks page. "Critical mass" - the users are all on the same network, and we are back to the fast exit relays question.
Follow the few law enforcement stories, if you have all data moving out of a network, around the world a few times and then back into the same network?
Its simple to find the in ip, back from the message sent. We also now know that the "internet" in some countries is a known network Tempora https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and XKeyscore http://daserste.ndr.de/panoram...
Thats a lot of cash to just spend on letters and a database. The letters get tracking and logging started within a legal gov framework. Someone seems to see a long term plan with the letters and logging funding. The chilling effect of just knowing your in a database and all your net use is been reviewed? Interconnected local databases? A digital version of the classic anti-social behaviour order (ASBO) at a 'community-based level? :)
That could see a vast network of watching, logging, reporting and costly face to face meetings with some 'injunction' that flows to a criminal offence if breached.
A lot of free support from tax payers for a new more very local ACTA
A per year quota that uses your details as the only unique information? Your address, isp can change but the count stays with you as the person who signed up with that isp and ip as found.
Yes the 4 letters show a history of infringement and the isp's can show bandwidth use too. Its the legal cover for the hard part of traditional cases for free via a stored database of letters sent.
Some nice political cover and colour of law. They only want to educate you with warnings.
Its the lawyers that take the final step to seek an identity. The gov and providers can walk away from any long term logging questions. Months of stored logs are just for the 4 letter compliance.