no joke. Large modern observatories come equipped with a staff of at least dozens, just to maintain the thing, much less actually look through the scope. I live near McDonald Observatory in texas, and to say that the actual scans are done by grad students is a joke.
I'm not saying that people are CLAIMING that the models are 100%. what i am saying is that scare monger reporting on the subject neglects to mention that these models are not by 100%. Its sort of a 'Guilt By Omission' situation.
wow. I have to say, you did a remarkable job of blending at least two, different religions beliefs into one mutant proto-religion that i've yet to meet anyone who follows. just an FYI, those who believe in the rapture, tend to follow a religion that does not believe in karma. so there is that. On the other hand, well played, you make a valid point. I think.
Allow me to translate the above for those who are slow at math and/or unfamiliar on how to lie with statistics.
Example: if there where 15 unseasonably warm days in November, and then it was cold as all get out until March, there data would show that it was a warm winter. because there method of sampling data was retarded
a more accurate model would be to sample the warmest three days from each month and average that. this would ensure a more accurate data model, as the table could not be filled prematurely by 15 warm days in November.
of course, as this has not been done, they are now able to say that this has been the warmest winter on record. the real question is, was this done intentionally, or are they just morons? because remember, a sufficiently advanced level of incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
4) Current computer models of the Earth's long-term climate are not necessarily correct.
I've not heard anyone suggest that computer models of anything are 100% accurate.
No you haven't. However, the uneducated public, media, government, and others are treating the data that comes out of those models as though it is 100% accurate. And there lies the problem. All sorts of hysteria and whatnot can be bought with inept use of data, which is what leads us to this entire discussion. The inaccurate portrayal of data by both sides has left everyone in the middle sick and tired of the whole thing.
if we came at the problem sideways, a lot could be accomplished. Instead of trying to convince someone AGW is a threat to there life, show them how much better there life can be if they walk to work once a week, or use cloth shopping bags, or enjoying a candle light dinner instead of wasting electricity watching TV. subtle changes add up, and when approached with the intent of improving lives, not changing minds, far more success may be had.
"which shows a clear warming trend across decades"
Seriously? Decades? a warming trend? you do realize that 'decades' is a proverbial drop in the ocean when it comes to the overall history of the planet?
Ok, that point aside, there is something I always have to say when this whole argument comes up, and here is as good a place as any.
The problem I have with AGW or 'climate change' or what have you, is that there are far to many people being alarmists about it to sell there damn 'green' products.
I agree that we need to take a long hard look at our way of life, and correct a lot of things that are effecting the planet in adverse ways. But I am sick and tired of this alarmist bullshit that is being spewed to sell another damn Prius.
Recycle your plastic, buy 10$ toilet paper, and wash your socks in organic natural hippy soap if you want to, but this is seriously turning into a giant dick measuring contest of who can make the most money saving the planet from humanity.
So my solution is this; Do no harm. You can make all the changes to your lifestyle you want. you can even support programs to help correct the problems we have created, but in doing so, SERIOUSLY look at what they are doing. I have seen far to many 'solutions' to AGW, climate change, etc, that if implemented, are capable of causing incredible harm, especially if we turn out to be wrong.
(I am *not* saying that AGW is wrong, I'm saying that humans make mistakes, sometimes lots of humans all agree on something that turns out to be wrong, like the earth centric model of the universe was generally accepted once, but was proven wrong, more data later may prove error)
Thus, I hold the position that anything we do to correct AGW, must not be something that could make the world a far worse place to live if we happen to be in error. I most assuredly am not saying 'do nothing to correct AGW' what I am saying is, Approach AGW with the care of a surgeon. do not exacerbate the problem trying to correct it.
Agreed. Some of my Files and data have moved with me from machine to machine over the years, but to a large degree, I apply the same theory. I can either make it again, or just don't really need it anymore. I do have files that where made close to 9 years ago, but for the most part, they are archived purely for sentimental reasons. (old photoshop artwork).
Actually, they are pretty awesome even at a small scale. I took a small engines class once, where we each where given a lawn mower engine to tear down and rebuild. Lawn mowers have governors in them (dinky little plastic ones usually) butI swear, we spent several hours playing with them once we got down that far into the engines.
until we have to fight China. Its all a matter of time until we get into a giant pissing contest with them over some crap north korea pulls, and get ourselves into good old fashioned war where you get to use things like aircraft cariers and big guns, none of this 'house to house looking for the terrorist' bullroar.
Somewhat obligitory XKCD: http://xkcd.com/325/
Does not corelate directly, but it sort of applys. In that feedback and reviews are only a small indicator of what a seller and product may be like.
beat me to the punch. the first thing i thought when i read 'its all about wall jumping' was "oh, so its N, only with a skinless boy instead of an awesome ninja."
the database is lacking, on that date, Arthur Murray flew the X-1A on a test flight. Any test flight of that thing is by definition 'not boring'
Heck, just feeding that date into wikipedia returns several notable results, including the above.
true, but swallowing a thumbdrive is usually the next option on the list from what i understand, not 'carrying a large HDD in my luggage'
Either way, smuggling data on physical media is kind of retarded.
which results in the weird memory tricks people have developed for doing large number math in your head. breaking down the problem into small chunks, so that you can operate the problem in 7 number chunks and whatnot is what the majority of them end up doing, they just get there by different paths.
I think you may actually be on to something here. Because intellectually, i know how to multiply those two numbers, but in practice, without paper, i'm going to drop digits at some stage and foul it up. I can do it perfectly on paper, and if i devote a large amount of my focus to hand waving and writing numbers in the air, I *may* be able to crank through it without paper, but there is still a decent chance of a computational error. Its like I need to output the results somewhere besides my short term memory, and 'writing' the numbers in the air helps send them to longer term memory somehow. physical output of the data and all that.
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Mod this man up, he knows what he is talking about.
wait wait, what? TRI-sexual? so what, you like guys, girls, and what, sheep?
no joke. Large modern observatories come equipped with a staff of at least dozens, just to maintain the thing, much less actually look through the scope. I live near McDonald Observatory in texas, and to say that the actual scans are done by grad students is a joke.
I'm not saying that people are CLAIMING that the models are 100%. what i am saying is that scare monger reporting on the subject neglects to mention that these models are not by 100%. Its sort of a 'Guilt By Omission' situation.
wow. I have to say, you did a remarkable job of blending at least two, different religions beliefs into one mutant proto-religion that i've yet to meet anyone who follows. just an FYI, those who believe in the rapture, tend to follow a religion that does not believe in karma. so there is that. On the other hand, well played, you make a valid point. I think.
Allow me to translate the above for those who are slow at math and/or unfamiliar on how to lie with statistics.
Example: if there where 15 unseasonably warm days in November, and then it was cold as all get out until March, there data would show that it was a warm winter. because there method of sampling data was retarded
a more accurate model would be to sample the warmest three days from each month and average that. this would ensure a more accurate data model, as the table could not be filled prematurely by 15 warm days in November.
of course, as this has not been done, they are now able to say that this has been the warmest winter on record. the real question is, was this done intentionally, or are they just morons? because remember, a sufficiently advanced level of incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
4) Current computer models of the Earth's long-term climate are not necessarily correct.
I've not heard anyone suggest that computer models of anything are 100% accurate.
No you haven't. However, the uneducated public, media, government, and others are treating the data that comes out of those models as though it is 100% accurate. And there lies the problem. All sorts of hysteria and whatnot can be bought with inept use of data, which is what leads us to this entire discussion. The inaccurate portrayal of data by both sides has left everyone in the middle sick and tired of the whole thing.
if we came at the problem sideways, a lot could be accomplished. Instead of trying to convince someone AGW is a threat to there life, show them how much better there life can be if they walk to work once a week, or use cloth shopping bags, or enjoying a candle light dinner instead of wasting electricity watching TV. subtle changes add up, and when approached with the intent of improving lives, not changing minds, far more success may be had.
"which shows a clear warming trend across decades"
Seriously? Decades? a warming trend? you do realize that 'decades' is a proverbial drop in the ocean when it comes to the overall history of the planet?
Ok, that point aside, there is something I always have to say when this whole argument comes up, and here is as good a place as any.
The problem I have with AGW or 'climate change' or what have you, is that there are far to many people being alarmists about it to sell there damn 'green' products.
I agree that we need to take a long hard look at our way of life, and correct a lot of things that are effecting the planet in adverse ways. But I am sick and tired of this alarmist bullshit that is being spewed to sell another damn Prius.
Recycle your plastic, buy 10$ toilet paper, and wash your socks in organic natural hippy soap if you want to, but this is seriously turning into a giant dick measuring contest of who can make the most money saving the planet from humanity.
So my solution is this; Do no harm. You can make all the changes to your lifestyle you want. you can even support programs to help correct the problems we have created, but in doing so, SERIOUSLY look at what they are doing. I have seen far to many 'solutions' to AGW, climate change, etc, that if implemented, are capable of causing incredible harm, especially if we turn out to be wrong.
(I am *not* saying that AGW is wrong, I'm saying that humans make mistakes, sometimes lots of humans all agree on something that turns out to be wrong, like the earth centric model of the universe was generally accepted once, but was proven wrong, more data later may prove error)
Thus, I hold the position that anything we do to correct AGW, must not be something that could make the world a far worse place to live if we happen to be in error. I most assuredly am not saying 'do nothing to correct AGW' what I am saying is, Approach AGW with the care of a surgeon. do not exacerbate the problem trying to correct it.
as I am not trained in the language that paper is in, can i get cliff notes somewhere in english?
the part where 'super-nutritious' tends to conicide with 'made from pond scum and tastes like it' is where i get hung up on the whole thing.
Perfect XKCD for this:
http://xkcd.com/678/
Agreed. Some of my Files and data have moved with me from machine to machine over the years, but to a large degree, I apply the same theory. I can either make it again, or just don't really need it anymore. I do have files that where made close to 9 years ago, but for the most part, they are archived purely for sentimental reasons. (old photoshop artwork).
Actually, they are pretty awesome even at a small scale. I took a small engines class once, where we each where given a lawn mower engine to tear down and rebuild. Lawn mowers have governors in them (dinky little plastic ones usually) butI swear, we spent several hours playing with them once we got down that far into the engines.
until we have to fight China. Its all a matter of time until we get into a giant pissing contest with them over some crap north korea pulls, and get ourselves into good old fashioned war where you get to use things like aircraft cariers and big guns, none of this 'house to house looking for the terrorist' bullroar.
Somewhat obligitory XKCD:
http://xkcd.com/325/
Does not corelate directly, but it sort of applys. In that feedback and reviews are only a small indicator of what a seller and product may be like.
beat me to the punch. the first thing i thought when i read 'its all about wall jumping' was "oh, so its N, only with a skinless boy instead of an awesome ninja."
the thing about all this is, i could almost swear i saw this exact thing for sale in a catalog over a year ago.
Ahem. *cough* 'Well Duh.'
and once again, The late Great George Carlin had it right.
the database is lacking, on that date, Arthur Murray flew the X-1A on a test flight. Any test flight of that thing is by definition 'not boring'
Heck, just feeding that date into wikipedia returns several notable results, including the above.
Nah, I use translation software.
true, but swallowing a thumbdrive is usually the next option on the list from what i understand, not 'carrying a large HDD in my luggage'
Either way, smuggling data on physical media is kind of retarded.
he's going to get the government to recover data from his customers dead hard drives for him.
which results in the weird memory tricks people have developed for doing large number math in your head. breaking down the problem into small chunks, so that you can operate the problem in 7 number chunks and whatnot is what the majority of them end up doing, they just get there by different paths.
I think you may actually be on to something here. Because intellectually, i know how to multiply those two numbers, but in practice, without paper, i'm going to drop digits at some stage and foul it up. I can do it perfectly on paper, and if i devote a large amount of my focus to hand waving and writing numbers in the air, I *may* be able to crank through it without paper, but there is still a decent chance of a computational error. Its like I need to output the results somewhere besides my short term memory, and 'writing' the numbers in the air helps send them to longer term memory somehow. physical output of the data and all that.
you're right, that one is way better.