Madam Curie won two nobel prizes, one in chemistry (1911), one in physics.(1903). She didn't need "women's privilege" to do it. She did it the old fashioned way, she earned it. All women's privilege does in any area is debase it. But if the Dutch wish to debase their science for reasons of gender pandering and political correctness, that is their right. Too bad. They can kiss goodbye to respect for Dutch scientific achievement.
Rowboats and pea shooters next? They may as well just scrap any pretense at being a sea power along with the remaining ships. Or, they could rename them and call them HMS Hood #1, HMS Hood #2....HMS Hood #24.
I see the Big Bang as a one-zero event during which something that wasn't comes into existence. That one thing was just "space." So I see the universe as composed of different densities of space coming into existence according to when during the Big Bang they came into existence. "Matter" then is just a very dense form of space. What we call "space" is just the "lightest" form of space. But there may be simply a "denser" form of space that came earlier in the Big Bang. Gravity being a property of space. And when a nuclear reaction takes place, what is actually happening is the conversion of a denser form of space (matter) into its less dense form and expanding, the analog being what happens in a conventional explosive when it detonates. The movement that is produced by this being called "energy." So, Dark Matter may be nothing more than the gravitational effect of dense space and there is no space of the density to be called matter in its conventional understanding causing the gravitational effects they are trying to explain. Perhaps our universe is nothing more than the result of a splitting "ATOM." I see the universe as a cauldron of condensing and expanding space. (E=MC^2 may actually be Space = MC^2)
Does this suggest (however lightly) that perhaps we (humanity) should be looking not to M-class stars but to K-class stars for more intelligent lifeforms and more advanced civilizations?
Work gives one a sense of pride in accomplishment and soaks up our time. It is a social activity that matures us through forced interaction with many other different people. It gives a sense of belonging and inclusion. It stabilizes us. And when did a "basic income" afford anyone the means to enjoy life, to do "other things?" Will we all go deep sea fishing? How about taking up flying? Travel the world? No, more likely we will end up eating biscuits of indeterminable composition and sitting in our tin-roofed hovels in our burlap sacks. It takes much more than merely food and shelter and clothing to satisfy the broad human motivation array, and a basic income will not allow that. Thus, there will be massive discontent and violence. Not to be religious, but how long have we known that "idle hands are the devil's workshop."
...the development of life of a level that supports advanced intelligence probably needs a certain level of energy intensity across the spectrum in order to develop and that an M-class star doesn't provide that, meaning they would stall at a fairly low level of life and remain there.
A chimp has 98-99 percent of our dna and has never developed a written language or invented a significant thing. As for other animals being "intelligent" I deny that their simple behaviors qualify. You set the bar far to low to declare something intelligent. And spending millions of dollars to provoke "intelligent behavior" to prove other species are intelligent doesn't prove it. What does a species do naturally is what matters.
The basic assumption is that there is an evolutionary bias toward intelligence and that intelligence can exist in physical forms other than ours, which developed over four billion years. Of the infinite number of possible evolutionary paths ours is just one and I don't think it has any special place in evolution. I certainly don't think there are intelligent squirrels, fish etc. It is all just a tremendous waste of time and energy. First prove that there is an evolutionary bias toward intelligence, then go looking for "aliens." That would make more sense to me. But even then, because of the spans of time and space, the likelihood that we will exist at the same time and proximate is small. Is there an evolutionary bias toward intelligence?
All the things he talks about need intense human maintenance. Which means the humans must come first. But they can't come first without the infrastructure he talks about. Which means the robots must come first. But they need intense maintenance so the humans must come first. But they can't until the infrastructure comes first, so the robots must come first. But they can't until the humans come first.......impossible on the face of it.
There is nothing on Mars to support the murderously naive idea of a "colony." Everything would have to come from Earth at great, increasing, and continuing expense. In return for what exactly? Billions to support ONE person on Mars. How much to support a million? But that just presupposes that it can work for argument purposes, which it cannot. We are the Earth, not Mars. They would die on the way to Mars or shortly after getting there. There is no separation possible. But, most importantly, the most fundamental of human rights is the right to be born, live, and die on the Earth. You may be able, as an adult, to give up your right to live and die on the Earth, but you can never willingly give up your right to be born here and so be able to consciously make the other two decisions. We need the United Nations to declare the fundamental human right to be born, live, and die on the Earth. Your parents do not have the right to strip from you the most fundamental of human rights.
The likelihood that another life form traveled the 4.5 billion year path to intelligence, as we did, is close to zero. It assumes that there is a bias toward intelligence in evolution, of which there is no evidence whatsoever. The dinosaurs ruled the Earth for hundreds of millions of years and probably still would if the Chicxulub asteroid had not hit the Earth 65 million years ago, part of a very particular series of events over 4.5 billion years. Chimpanzees, who share 99.9 percent of our DNA are not us. They build no cities, write no great books, land on no moons. Hawking has a teenagers' science-fiction understanding it seems outside of Black Holes. And as far as the "Fermi Paradox" is concerned, it is not a paradox at all. We are not living on the Earth, we ARE the Earth. We are not going to settle the Galaxy, or even the Solar System. We can live nowhere else. We are not mere visitors to the surface of the Earth. We are an intrinsic part of the Earth. It would be the same for any "intelligent species." End of question.
Sault's law says a thing cannot make an artifact as complex as itself. It is an asymptotic goal. And it is unlikely any civilization would get even close to simulating the universe it lives in.
Nature deals with the evolution of bacteria around the toxins of natural organisms. Now they must ask how does penicillin mold deal with the evolution of the bacteria its toxin destroys.
Oh, great, now how many cables and connector types are we supposed to keep track of in order to correctly connect our devices? I've set aside an entire room for cable variants now.
A colony is an expansion into unused resources. There are none on Mars. Mars is a desert like no desert on the face of the Earth. Stop the teenage sci-fi goals please. I agree, do something adult and useful.
The education industry part of the macro-parasite (comprised of government, finance, and business - and which has as one goal: the gathering to itself of all the assets of the mass of people), has identified and targeted the college education as an asset of the mass due to the increase of future earnings that can be expected with a college degree. I've read that increase in future earnings can be a million dollars over a lifetime. Universities and businesses want that money and they will engage in any immoral or illegal activity they have to in order to get it. Tuitions continue to rise in a time of low inflation and low interest rates. There is now over a trillion dollars in student loan debt. That is more than all credit card debt. The mass is being preyed upon with an avidity and efficiency never before seen by man.
I went to a sleep test ordered by my doctor and I believe they used electronic stimulation also. It occurred over a year ago. The receptionist just shoved papers at me to sign while smiling innocently, saying they were "just routine," and I signed them without reading them thinking I was having just a sleep test. But, when they tested the electrodes they attached to my head and body I noticed that my calf leg twitched a couple of times. I knew immediately that they were testing OUTPUT, NOT INPUT. But I was exhausted and didn't mention it. I was an electronic brain stimulation Test subject apparently. The sleep test lasted overnight and then they bums rushed me out the door still strangely very groggy. For the next two days I was EXTREMELY irritated. I mean MURDEROUSLY irritated. I felt that if the right situation came along something violent would have happened. I had never felt that irritated before in my life. Fortunately, nothing came up that set off the rage and I was myself again. I believe, based on my one experience that this treatment applied to the wrong psychology could lead to violent acts.
Of course, let's have history-changing, gender-leveling gender-pandering required in every movie, just like in "Halt and Catch Fire". We CAN propagandize our way toward filling those 500,000 tech jobs. We just have to lie about reality strongly enough and long enough to change it to suit us.
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Madam Curie won two nobel prizes, one in chemistry (1911), one in physics.(1903). She didn't need "women's privilege" to do it. She did it the old fashioned way, she earned it. All women's privilege does in any area is debase it. But if the Dutch wish to debase their science for reasons of gender pandering and political correctness, that is their right. Too bad. They can kiss goodbye to respect for Dutch scientific achievement.
Rowboats and pea shooters next? They may as well just scrap any pretense at being a sea power along with the remaining ships. Or, they could rename them and call them HMS Hood #1, HMS Hood #2 ....HMS Hood #24.
I see the Big Bang as a one-zero event during which something that wasn't comes into existence. That one thing was just "space." So I see the universe as composed of different densities of space coming into existence according to when during the Big Bang they came into existence. "Matter" then is just a very dense form of space. What we call "space" is just the "lightest" form of space. But there may be simply a "denser" form of space that came earlier in the Big Bang. Gravity being a property of space. And when a nuclear reaction takes place, what is actually happening is the conversion of a denser form of space (matter) into its less dense form and expanding, the analog being what happens in a conventional explosive when it detonates. The movement that is produced by this being called "energy." So, Dark Matter may be nothing more than the gravitational effect of dense space and there is no space of the density to be called matter in its conventional understanding causing the gravitational effects they are trying to explain. Perhaps our universe is nothing more than the result of a splitting "ATOM." I see the universe as a cauldron of condensing and expanding space. (E=MC^2 may actually be Space = MC^2)
OBAFGKM.
Does this suggest (however lightly) that perhaps we (humanity) should be looking not to M-class stars but to K-class stars for more intelligent lifeforms and more advanced civilizations?
Work gives one a sense of pride in accomplishment and soaks up our time. It is a social activity that matures us through forced interaction with many other different people. It gives a sense of belonging and inclusion. It stabilizes us. And when did a "basic income" afford anyone the means to enjoy life, to do "other things?" Will we all go deep sea fishing? How about taking up flying? Travel the world? No, more likely we will end up eating biscuits of indeterminable composition and sitting in our tin-roofed hovels in our burlap sacks. It takes much more than merely food and shelter and clothing to satisfy the broad human motivation array, and a basic income will not allow that. Thus, there will be massive discontent and violence. Not to be religious, but how long have we known that "idle hands are the devil's workshop."
...the development of life of a level that supports advanced intelligence probably needs a certain level of energy intensity across the spectrum in order to develop and that an M-class star doesn't provide that, meaning they would stall at a fairly low level of life and remain there.
A chimp has 98-99 percent of our dna and has never developed a written language or invented a significant thing. As for other animals being "intelligent" I deny that their simple behaviors qualify. You set the bar far to low to declare something intelligent. And spending millions of dollars to provoke "intelligent behavior" to prove other species are intelligent doesn't prove it. What does a species do naturally is what matters.
The basic assumption is that there is an evolutionary bias toward intelligence and that intelligence can exist in physical forms other than ours, which developed over four billion years. Of the infinite number of possible evolutionary paths ours is just one and I don't think it has any special place in evolution. I certainly don't think there are intelligent squirrels, fish etc. It is all just a tremendous waste of time and energy. First prove that there is an evolutionary bias toward intelligence, then go looking for "aliens." That would make more sense to me. But even then, because of the spans of time and space, the likelihood that we will exist at the same time and proximate is small. Is there an evolutionary bias toward intelligence?
All the things he talks about need intense human maintenance. Which means the humans must come first. But they can't come first without the infrastructure he talks about. Which means the robots must come first. But they need intense maintenance so the humans must come first. But they can't until the infrastructure comes first, so the robots must come first. But they can't until the humans come first.......impossible on the face of it.
...this situation was brought about by the invention of the evil microprocessor.
The natural progression of AI technology toward evil is unstoppable, driven by profit and human psychology.
There is nothing on Mars to support the murderously naive idea of a "colony." Everything would have to come from Earth at great, increasing, and continuing expense. In return for what exactly? Billions to support ONE person on Mars. How much to support a million? But that just presupposes that it can work for argument purposes, which it cannot. We are the Earth, not Mars. They would die on the way to Mars or shortly after getting there. There is no separation possible. But, most importantly, the most fundamental of human rights is the right to be born, live, and die on the Earth. You may be able, as an adult, to give up your right to live and die on the Earth, but you can never willingly give up your right to be born here and so be able to consciously make the other two decisions. We need the United Nations to declare the fundamental human right to be born, live, and die on the Earth. Your parents do not have the right to strip from you the most fundamental of human rights.
The likelihood that another life form traveled the 4.5 billion year path to intelligence, as we did, is close to zero. It assumes that there is a bias toward intelligence in evolution, of which there is no evidence whatsoever. The dinosaurs ruled the Earth for hundreds of millions of years and probably still would if the Chicxulub asteroid had not hit the Earth 65 million years ago, part of a very particular series of events over 4.5 billion years. Chimpanzees, who share 99.9 percent of our DNA are not us. They build no cities, write no great books, land on no moons. Hawking has a teenagers' science-fiction understanding it seems outside of Black Holes. And as far as the "Fermi Paradox" is concerned, it is not a paradox at all. We are not living on the Earth, we ARE the Earth. We are not going to settle the Galaxy, or even the Solar System. We can live nowhere else. We are not mere visitors to the surface of the Earth. We are an intrinsic part of the Earth. It would be the same for any "intelligent species." End of question.
And what exactly are those two people making that is more complex than they are?
Googling "Sault's Law" turns up no obvious references to this "law".
Of course.
"This actually sounds a lot like Creationist propaganda.."
I don't believe in gods or demons, except as thought-behaviors springing from the inborn Human Motivation Array.
"in fact evolution - including artificial genetic algorithms - have no problem doing this.[create greater complexity]
What about "artifact" is so hard to understand?
You can "if" anything you like.
"artifact." Babies are not "artifacts."
Sault's law says a thing cannot make an artifact as complex as itself. It is an asymptotic goal. And it is unlikely any civilization would get even close to simulating the universe it lives in.
Nature deals with the evolution of bacteria around the toxins of natural organisms. Now they must ask how does penicillin mold deal with the evolution of the bacteria its toxin destroys.
Oh, great, now how many cables and connector types are we supposed to keep track of in order to correctly connect our devices? I've set aside an entire room for cable variants now.
A colony is an expansion into unused resources. There are none on Mars. Mars is a desert like no desert on the face of the Earth. Stop the teenage sci-fi goals please. I agree, do something adult and useful.
The education industry part of the macro-parasite (comprised of government, finance, and business - and which has as one goal: the gathering to itself of all the assets of the mass of people), has identified and targeted the college education as an asset of the mass due to the increase of future earnings that can be expected with a college degree. I've read that increase in future earnings can be a million dollars over a lifetime. Universities and businesses want that money and they will engage in any immoral or illegal activity they have to in order to get it. Tuitions continue to rise in a time of low inflation and low interest rates. There is now over a trillion dollars in student loan debt. That is more than all credit card debt. The mass is being preyed upon with an avidity and efficiency never before seen by man.
I went to a sleep test ordered by my doctor and I believe they used electronic stimulation also. It occurred over a year ago. The receptionist just shoved papers at me to sign while smiling innocently, saying they were "just routine," and I signed them without reading them thinking I was having just a sleep test. But, when they tested the electrodes they attached to my head and body I noticed that my calf leg twitched a couple of times. I knew immediately that they were testing OUTPUT, NOT INPUT. But I was exhausted and didn't mention it. I was an electronic brain stimulation Test subject apparently. The sleep test lasted overnight and then they bums rushed me out the door still strangely very groggy. For the next two days I was EXTREMELY irritated. I mean MURDEROUSLY irritated. I felt that if the right situation came along something violent would have happened. I had never felt that irritated before in my life. Fortunately, nothing came up that set off the rage and I was myself again. I believe, based on my one experience that this treatment applied to the wrong psychology could lead to violent acts.
Of course, let's have history-changing, gender-leveling gender-pandering required in every movie, just like in "Halt and Catch Fire". We CAN propagandize our way toward filling those 500,000 tech jobs. We just have to lie about reality strongly enough and long enough to change it to suit us.