I see your point, but (1) The OP said, "it's still fairly clean", to the point were a reinstall would not lose him anything (2) If a user has changed config files, I don't see why he/she should suddenly be unable to figure out what changes to keep. I understand your point re setup scripts, but that's really not that often the case. (But yes, it does, and bugs should be filed against packages that do this IMHO - it's confusing being asked about config files one definitely hasn't touched) (3) Somebody who undertakes installing MythTV is not a newbie in my book (4) When the upgrade finds a changed config file, there is always the option to just install the new version, same as a fresh install (5) We are not talking about aptitude dist-upgrade, but about the new update-manager functionality in Ubuntu. I haven't tried it yet (dist-upgraded to Dapper before it was available), but as far as I read, it does more than aptitude/apt-get - it is said it takes care of changes that can not be expressed as package dependencies. I am assuming that it is capable of upgrading a clean system without a lot of questions
Automatix is considered unsafe. It overwrites system files, forces potentially dangerous operations, etc. (At least it did at one time, the author got a lot of advice and has changed things, but I still wouldn't trust it.)
1. Doing an apt-get upgrade (as opposed to dist-upgrade) when upgrading the install to a new version is a recipe for disaster 2. Debian now recommend aptitude, not apt-get, to do dist-upgrades - it's smarter 3. In Ubuntu, dist-upgrade is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the upgrade guide. The Update Manger takes care of it automatically
Have someone download an Ubuntu CD iso and burn a CD for you, or have one shipped for free from Ubuntu Shipit. Log into your previous version, put the CD into the drive, and it will ask you if you want to upgrade. Ignore other posters who tell you about APT Offline Guide our adding your CD into sources.list, this is not needed anymore.
Autmatix is crap and fucks your system (most users will find out when upgrading to Dapper). Easyubuntu is much safer. Google the Ubuntu Forums if you don't believe me.
The greens in Austria have always argued for a mix of a multitude of measures on smaller scales: energy-efficient building (with the goal of net zero energy), block heat and power plants (90% efficiency with natural gas, can use biowaste), small (down to personal) hydroelectric plants, solar (both thermal for water heating and photovoltaic), and so on. Basically choosing and combining the most efficient solution for a given local situation, backed up by a few big plants.
In conjunction with that, a rebuilding of the electric power economy, where each of those many small producers could feed excess power into the grid and be compensated (usually by getting a free amount of power out of the grid at other times.)
Seems entirely doable to me from a technical point of view. And economically/politically, it encourages a strong small to mid local economy of empowered (hard to avoid puns) and partly self-sufficient citizens, instead of pumping billions in the corrupt nuclear lobby (and by extension, militar-industrial complex.)
Nuclear power is not*. But the nuclear lobby is, and the concentration of power (pun intended) and the ever-increasing police forces are, which are both needed (for security reasons) and promoted (because they are evul) by the nuclear lobby.
Don't forget that the greens are the only ones opposed to that too (well, partly. But compared to Schily...)
* Well, at best not anymore. Today, nobody would even consider taking one of those crap reactors from the 60ies or 70ies live. But the nuclear lobby then argued that they were perfectly fine, and so I have to chalk up the improvements that were made since then to the opposition.
Not to forget Klaus Stoertebeker, a pirate in the northern seas around Hamburg. He is still kind of a folk hero in northern Germany - it's quite hard to google useful stuff about him in German, because all you get are Stoertebeker beers, Stoertebeker pageants, Stoertebeker seaside resorts, etc.
That pirates often had support in the local communities is little surprise - (not only) given the times, their policies were often quite favorable to those of "official" armies. E.g., Stoertebeker's group was known as "Likedeeler" " - an old German word, but a hint at the meaning should be clear to English speakers. I could find only German links for the exact setup (the English wikipedia article linked above doesn't mention it), but Likedeeler means approximately "equal sharer" - all proceeds from the group's endeavours would be shared in even parts among all, including captain (and, legend has it, often also with the poor along the coasts.) No wait, here is a short summary in English.
There is of course no shortage of legends about other robberies, exploits, and pranks, most notably Stoertebeker's death (see wikipedia.) Little is known in written history, though. And why not? These were freedom-living people, many of whom simply preferred being a pirate to being enslaved in some king's army. I'm sure they were cruel and all, but so were the times. I'm sure they could be fun to have around, too.
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Too high for me it seems. What does this operation accomplish?
The conditions in China are not near to "people are starving"
Learn some history
I see your point, but
(1) The OP said, "it's still fairly clean", to the point were a reinstall would not lose him anything
(2) If a user has changed config files, I don't see why he/she should suddenly be unable to figure out what changes to keep. I understand your point re setup scripts, but that's really not that often the case. (But yes, it does, and bugs should be filed against packages that do this IMHO - it's confusing being asked about config files one definitely hasn't touched)
(3) Somebody who undertakes installing MythTV is not a newbie in my book
(4) When the upgrade finds a changed config file, there is always the option to just install the new version, same as a fresh install
(5) We are not talking about aptitude dist-upgrade, but about the new update-manager functionality in Ubuntu. I haven't tried it yet (dist-upgraded to Dapper before it was available), but as far as I read, it does more than aptitude/apt-get - it is said it takes care of changes that can not be expressed as package dependencies. I am assuming that it is capable of upgrading a clean system without a lot of questions
Following the correct upgrade process gives you the same system as a reinstall. It is dead easy too. Read here
Automatix is considered unsafe. It overwrites system files, forces potentially dangerous operations, etc. (At least it did at one time, the author got a lot of advice and has changed things, but I still wouldn't trust it.)
Easyubuntu is a better option.
With critical patches backported from 2.14.2. And 2.14.2 will be made available through the dapper-updates repository.
Thanks for letting me know, it's good to hear it worked. Cheers!
That's just a slightly newer version - probably the website guys missed that it was updated in 05.10 (Breezy)
1. Doing an apt-get upgrade (as opposed to dist-upgrade) when upgrading the install to a new version is a recipe for disaster
2. Debian now recommend aptitude, not apt-get, to do dist-upgrades - it's smarter
3. In Ubuntu, dist-upgrade is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the upgrade guide. The Update Manger takes care of it automatically
Just stick the CD into the drive, it will ask if you want to upgrade (assuming you didn't mess with System/Preferences/Removable Media, I guess)
You can search for it
Have someone download an Ubuntu CD iso and burn a CD for you, or have one shipped for free from Ubuntu Shipit. Log into your previous version, put the CD into the drive, and it will ask you if you want to upgrade. Ignore other posters who tell you about APT Offline Guide our adding your CD into sources.list, this is not needed anymore.
Well, looking at bug #1, I do think they try.
Autmatix is crap and fucks your system (most users will find out when upgrading to Dapper). Easyubuntu is much safer. Google the Ubuntu Forums if you don't believe me.
Check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
Check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
Check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
This is deprecated (at least for newbies), read the Upgrade Notes
Long version of upgrade notes is here.
Short version: running Update Manager from System/Administration menu should take care of everything
The greens in Austria have always argued for a mix of a multitude of measures on smaller scales: energy-efficient building (with the goal of net zero energy), block heat and power plants (90% efficiency with natural gas, can use biowaste), small (down to personal) hydroelectric plants, solar (both thermal for water heating and photovoltaic), and so on. Basically choosing and combining the most efficient solution for a given local situation, backed up by a few big plants.
In conjunction with that, a rebuilding of the electric power economy, where each of those many small producers could feed excess power into the grid and be compensated (usually by getting a free amount of power out of the grid at other times.)
Seems entirely doable to me from a technical point of view. And economically/politically, it encourages a strong small to mid local economy of empowered (hard to avoid puns) and partly self-sufficient citizens, instead of pumping billions in the corrupt nuclear lobby (and by extension, militar-industrial complex.)
fixed idea that nuclear power is teh evul
...)
Nuclear power is not*. But the nuclear lobby is, and the concentration of power (pun intended) and the ever-increasing police forces are, which are both needed (for security reasons) and promoted (because they are evul) by the nuclear lobby.
Don't forget that the greens are the only ones opposed to that too (well, partly. But compared to Schily
* Well, at best not anymore. Today, nobody would even consider taking one of those crap reactors from the 60ies or 70ies live. But the nuclear lobby then argued that they were perfectly fine, and so I have to chalk up the improvements that were made since then to the opposition.
Not to forget Klaus Stoertebeker, a pirate in the northern seas around Hamburg. He is still kind of a folk hero in northern Germany - it's quite hard to google useful stuff about him in German, because all you get are Stoertebeker beers, Stoertebeker pageants, Stoertebeker seaside resorts, etc.
That pirates often had support in the local communities is little surprise - (not only) given the times, their policies were often quite favorable to those of "official" armies. E.g., Stoertebeker's group was known as "Likedeeler" " - an old German word, but a hint at the meaning should be clear to English speakers. I could find only German links for the exact setup (the English wikipedia article linked above doesn't mention it), but Likedeeler means approximately "equal sharer" - all proceeds from the group's endeavours would be shared in even parts among all, including captain (and, legend has it, often also with the poor along the coasts.)
No wait, here is a short summary in English.
There is of course no shortage of legends about other robberies, exploits, and pranks, most notably Stoertebeker's death (see wikipedia.) Little is known in written history, though.
And why not? These were freedom-living people, many of whom simply preferred being a pirate to being enslaved in some king's army. I'm sure they were cruel and all, but so were the times. I'm sure they could be fun to have around, too.
Hakim Bey has written some interesting things about pirates (and also many other topics.)
I'm extremely curious how the parent poster got modded as Flamebait
:)
Me too
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Funny, I don't see the 10,000 consultants in our company lugging desktops around.