I used to work for a company that designed computer chips. Most of the users there frankly knew very little about how to actually use their computers beyond what they needed to do their job
I don't have first-hand knowledge with them, but I'd guess that "very little" is defined differently for a computer chip designer than it is for a secretary or for a Harvard Business School graduate.
Even if they are quite broadly knowledgeable, Vista is a new product. It's going to involve a substantial amount of retraining etc. And lots of things simply will not work.
I am not sure why you argue with me, I think we agree. I just say that the substantial amount of retraining is, if anything, worse for us than what is needed at AMD. And if things don't work they are in a better position to fix them.
So? If Vista isn't a good solution for the field, it's not a good solution at the home office
We are not discussing home office, but AMD. And if a printer cannot be installed at AMD's location, it is easier to fix than in many cases we have to support.
AMD is not in a better position, they are in a less bad position. A transition to Vista at this point is a liability no matter what way you slice it.
If you rather phrase it as "less bad position", I am ok with it. I am just saying that even if AMD makes the switch now, it does not mean that other companies do the same, and even less that they should, as the OP astroturfer alleged. Go argue with him instead of with me:)
PitaBread explained it. We have a good IT that does its best in a very difficult environment, but I will eat my shoe if AMD is not in a better position:
They definitely know more about computers than we do. They build them. As such they can deal with issues better than we can.
As I said, if AMD has an issue with Vista, MS will jump to support them. If we have an issue, they don't jump so much
I am certain that the percentage of knowledgeable users at AMD is higher than at our organization
I doubt that > 50% of users at AMD are out in the field at any given time, being cut off from easy helpdesk reachability, interacting with unknown IT environments (logging into clients' networks, attaching to random printers at hotels, etc.) "Out in the field" can mean "at a Polish coal mine" and worse
I certainly won't even spend a single second for a google search on this. If I post I check my links and so should have the OP and especially anyone moderating it. Blindly modding up a pro-Vista link is probably astroturfing.\
Anyway, AMD migrating to Vista certainly is not a guideline for the majority of businesses that are not, you know, producers of CPUs and GPUs that are needed by Vista. For one, they AMD is certainly not impartial. Second, I am sure they get a tiny bit of support from MS whenever the cough, something I cannot say for our (not entirely irrelevant) organization. Third, I guess that AMD knows a bit about computers. The leading business consultancy I work for (> 10,000 users) will not migrate for the foreseeable future, and 99% of businesses are in the same boat, AMD migrating or not.
I see, thanks for the explanation - I don't play SL (as you noticed). However, it seems to me that these reasons call for SL being fixed to overcome these silly limitations they needlessly inherited from the real world. But that's just me I guess.
Microsoft has always believed that everything they do should directly bring in money.
But as we all know (and the OP in this thread already stated), only Windows and Office actually do that
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I reported a bug in Metacity's focus-follows-mouse behaviour years ago. It turned out to be a dupe of another bug where we were told that the behaviour (different to every other WM I have ever used) was "by design"
Well, "bug reports welcome" does not mean "maintainer will change his design on the whim of any user who bothers to file a wishlist item"
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Are you sure?
Yes. Just check out bugzilla.gnome.org or the bug tracker of your distro.
Thanks for replying- I found that accusation sooo annoying- And yeah, I too have found out since then that he is on a mission. And boy is he wrong in this post.
To argue that attaching video projectors to laptops is uncommon is so stupid, it is unbelievable. You should get out of your garbage dump some time. And where do you get the "MS shill"? Because I said in this thread that Ubuntu is missing a config option? And this is the same thread in which you say you consider going back to Mandriva because of missing config options! Has your embedded robot eaten your brain?
Oh come on. Easily attaching a video projector to a laptop is an absolute necessity. It is a very common thing in many workplaces and yes, my dad did it for his 70th birthday party to show off his best vacation photos, I think that qualifies for the grandma test. Stop glossing over serious issues that still persist in Linux.
For the record, the first Linux kernel I used was 1.3.78 (1996), I think if I was looking for things to complain about I would not have switched all my private PCs to Linux only in 1999 or so.
it's just the same old bleeding edge ubuntu with a longer support period, i've heard all manner of horror stories about 6.06
Well, it's not. The changes from Warty to Hoary to Breezy to Dapper have become more progressively more conservative. Breezy to Dapper was for many people quite disappointing because not much exciting happened, just polish.
I don't know what horror stories you have heard, but every OS has bugs. All 6.06 installations I have done (some for people without a clue whatsoever) worked like a charm and continued to do so since.
. Mostly because of the way that the package manager handles dependencies. For example, do not install X.org from your repository. Install it from source, then try to install a program [say, via RPM] that depends on it's libraries.
The program will hiccup and complain that X is not installed
This is not because of how the package manager handles dependencies, but because you don't know how to correctly install from source on a system with a package manager. Of course you have to tell the package manager in some way that the package is there. Every PM has the option. Or try checkinstall.
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I used to work for a company that designed computer chips. Most of the users there frankly knew very little about how to actually use their computers beyond what they needed to do their job
:)
I don't have first-hand knowledge with them, but I'd guess that "very little" is defined differently for a computer chip designer than it is for a secretary or for a Harvard Business School graduate.
Even if they are quite broadly knowledgeable, Vista is a new product. It's going to involve a substantial amount of retraining etc. And lots of things simply will not work.
I am not sure why you argue with me, I think we agree. I just say that the substantial amount of retraining is, if anything, worse for us than what is needed at AMD. And if things don't work they are in a better position to fix them.
So? If Vista isn't a good solution for the field, it's not a good solution at the home office
We are not discussing home office, but AMD. And if a printer cannot be installed at AMD's location, it is easier to fix than in many cases we have to support.
AMD is not in a better position, they are in a less bad position. A transition to Vista at this point is a liability no matter what way you slice it.
If you rather phrase it as "less bad position", I am ok with it. I am just saying that even if AMD makes the switch now, it does not mean that other companies do the same, and even less that they should, as the OP astroturfer alleged. Go argue with him instead of with me
Exactly, thanks.
I certainly won't even spend a single second for a google search on this. If I post I check my links and so should have the OP and especially anyone moderating it. Blindly modding up a pro-Vista link is probably astroturfing.\
Anyway, AMD migrating to Vista certainly is not a guideline for the majority of businesses that are not, you know, producers of CPUs and GPUs that are needed by Vista. For one, they AMD is certainly not impartial. Second, I am sure they get a tiny bit of support from MS whenever the cough, something I cannot say for our (not entirely irrelevant) organization. Third, I guess that AMD knows a bit about computers. The leading business consultancy I work for (> 10,000 users) will not migrate for the foreseeable future, and 99% of businesses are in the same boat, AMD migrating or not.
+2 Informative my ass. Astroturfers in full effect. BOTH links in this posting are dead.
There is always live performances, piracy will never kill that for the artists. I wonder if record labels get a cut of that.
On the economics of the music business:
Steve Albini
Courtney Love
Steva Vai
it's unfortunately rare to find an LP that really follows through
Ridiculous. Get out of the current mainstream and there are literally thousands of such LPs, if not tens of thousands.
I see, thanks for the explanation - I don't play SL (as you noticed). However, it seems to me that these reasons call for SL being fixed to overcome these silly limitations they needlessly inherited from the real world. But that's just me I guess.
But if there's a viable "commercial district", owning land in it will actually make a difference.
Why should i care for "physical" location if I can teleport wherever I want?
To say that Linus wrote an operating system is utterly wrong.
Microsoft has always believed that everything they do should directly bring in money.
But as we all know (and the OP in this thread already stated), only Windows and Office actually do that
I reported a bug in Metacity's focus-follows-mouse behaviour years ago. It turned out to be a dupe of another bug where we were told that the behaviour (different to every other WM I have ever used) was "by design"
Well, "bug reports welcome" does not mean "maintainer will change his design on the whim of any user who bothers to file a wishlist item"
Are you sure?
Yes. Just check out bugzilla.gnome.org or the bug tracker of your distro.
Thanks for replying- I found that accusation sooo annoying- And yeah, I too have found out since then that he is on a mission. And boy is he wrong in this post.
Paranoid again?
Oh yeah: before accusing people of being MS shills, you should look at the UID and the posting history, n00b.
To argue that attaching video projectors to laptops is uncommon is so stupid, it is unbelievable. You should get out of your garbage dump some time. And where do you get the "MS shill"? Because I said in this thread that Ubuntu is missing a config option? And this is the same thread in which you say you consider going back to Mandriva because of missing config options! Has your embedded robot eaten your brain?
Oh come on. Easily attaching a video projector to a laptop is an absolute necessity. It is a very common thing in many workplaces and yes, my dad did it for his 70th birthday party to show off his best vacation photos, I think that qualifies for the grandma test. Stop glossing over serious issues that still persist in Linux.
For the record, the first Linux kernel I used was 1.3.78 (1996), I think if I was looking for things to complain about I would not have switched all my private PCs to Linux only in 1999 or so.
Good luck setting up stuff like multiple monitors (or a video projector) that way.
As I am a compile nerd. :-P
:)
Oh ok then, That's something different
it's just the same old bleeding edge ubuntu with a longer support period, i've heard all manner of horror stories about 6.06
Well, it's not. The changes from Warty to Hoary to Breezy to Dapper have become more progressively more conservative. Breezy to Dapper was for many people quite disappointing because not much exciting happened, just polish.
I don't know what horror stories you have heard, but every OS has bugs. All 6.06 installations I have done (some for people without a clue whatsoever) worked like a charm and continued to do so since.
About September last year, an xorg update in Dapper broke support for my (shitty) SavageS3 graphics card
Sucks when it happens, but it is still just a bug in what is intended to be what the OP wanted.
the only program I compile by hand is hot-babe
No need: http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repository.php
. Mostly because of the way that the package manager handles dependencies. For example, do not install X.org from your repository. Install it from source, then try to install a program [say, via RPM] that depends on it's libraries.
The program will hiccup and complain that X is not installed
This is not because of how the package manager handles dependencies, but because you don't know how to correctly install from source on a system with a package manager. Of course you have to tell the package manager in some way that the package is there. Every PM has the option. Or try checkinstall.
You do unattended package upgrades without testing on a server? Do you also want to be on the beach on day 365, unemployed?