It seems like whenever this conversation comes up, someone posts "I would like to listen to music from artists who do this, but I can't find any" or similar.
In the interest of giving them a lead, and letting us here your stuff, care to post a link to your own work?
Wrong. The whole point of Facebook is to serve your eyeballs and clicks to advertisers. The value in having people friend each other and create these networks is that when I click on some product/band/tv show* that I like, everyone on my friends list gets notified. They may check out said product, they may not. But the fact that it comes from me, someone they know, instead of just randomly showing up on their screen, means that it carries more weight.
And what's the purpose of a tv show? To serve eyeballs to advertisers.
Yeah, i'd heard of that product, too, and was trying to avoid alluding to that one. I remember hearing about some kind of insole or glove or something that used the same concept.
I don't remember the product, but there used to be some kind of ergonomic something that came custom. When you "bought" it at the store or via mailorder, you were actually given the kit that molds to your shape. I want to say it was some kind of orthopedic something. It came with some kind of resin that you mixed, and then put your feet onto, and let it harden. Then you sent this negative mold back to the company, and they would injection mold or use some other process to make their product that fit the contours of your body.
That's what I first thought of when I saw this headline. I wonder if that's doable with some tweaking to the process.
I stand corrected. Like I said, it's been over a decade since I remember reading about the case. It was becoming clear back then that it was going to be a disaster. I skimmed over the wikipedia article before I linked it, and didn't catch that.
That said, the case is still pretty messed up, jail time or no.
I remember reading about this in some underground zines almost 15 years ago. Dude got railroaded for drawing adult comics that depicted child abuse. Alot of which Mike himself lived, and he used the drawing as therapy. He was sentenced to real live prison, and wasn't allowed to draw.
They essentially took away his right to draw with a pen and paper for drawing things with pen and paper.
We got our first 2600 in about 1987. My parents got it used. I was young enough to still think it pretty cool at the time. Whoever we bought it from had hacked two buttons onto one of the joysticks, for use in video pinball. One button was the same as "left joystick", while the other was the same as "right joystick." The joystick functioned as normal.
I remember seeing an episode of Mr. Wizard where he took apart an Atari Joystick and had the girl play the game by manually touching the contacts on the circuit board, instead of using the joystick. I was able to figure out what the previous owner had done from memory of that episode.
Even at that age, it didn't take long for me to realize that I could do something with the hacked buttons that I couldn't do with the joystick alone. Namely, "move" to the right and the left at the same time. I don't remember the result in any other game but pacman. I'd play agains my sister, and midway throuy turn, i'd hit bottht once. Pacman would turn all of a sudden into one of the walls, and go through it, all the way across the screen, until he froze, all the power pellets dissappeared, and I moved on to the next round.
My sister would cry "cheater!" but I'd just shrug my shoulders and say "i dunno. the game just messed up."
You do realize that I was speaking in context of the cattle farmer's options, right?
Mine was also a viable option for the cattle farmer. Would take a paradigm shift, perhaps, but buggy whips, etc.
And yeah, I'd say you're pushing your agenda, just not as meanly as some might.
Fair enough. Taking the opportunity to push my agenda by contributing to the conversation in an on topic way? I'll accept that.
I've killed, gutted, slaughtered, and cooked my own meat.
I actually find less at fault about that than farm raised, corn fed meat. Kudos for knowing what goes into it.
Sure, you could buy anything from anywhere from the comfort of your home. Isn't there something to be said for browsing? How much inspiration comes from looking at that bin of wiring harnesses and realizing this other harness that you hadn't thought of would allow you to solve some other problem...allow your project to do more?
I've about given up on being able to go to a hardware store (in my local town, USA) and asking the hardware store employees for help solving some problem that requires thinking outside the box. If they don't sell some product that solves my problem, they don't carry it.
They both definitely have a more punk rock vibe to them, but especially Death to False Hope has been getting a ton more bands lately. There's probably something on there you'll like. Both labels offer their records for free downloads, but you're encouraged to donate something in exchange.
And I can't stress how hardworking the people running both of those labels are.
What about labels who don't belong to the RIAA? It seems like this would be a great way for Pandora--especially Pandora, since they're pretty popular, and people know the name. Probably more so than any other free-to-stream radio--to stick it to the major labels. Just stream indie labels, those who don't belong to the CRIA, or labels who give their stuff away for free, or license it for free for this kind of thing.
Ignorance is no excuse, and all of that, but I really think we'll start to see more of this. As filesharing becomes easier on the user's end, how is a new/naive/young user supposed to know it's illegal? I mean, type the name of any current pop artist into Google, followed by "rapidshare", "yousendit" or one of the myriad other large file sharing services, and usually one of the first links Google finds is the file itself, ready for download.
The fact that these types of cases are coming up again and again make clear that it's a contentious issue, at least for some. Someone out there takes issue with all this content being freely available.
To be clear, I'm not arguing one way or another on the filesharing/copyright issue. I'm just saying that as we move forward with the web and user interfaces, and searchability, then a 12 year old kid who has some brains and can figure out some clever search "hacks" becomes able to just find files that are publicly available to download with no warning, no mention of "this could be copyrighted", etc.
I've tried explaining the process for finding files like this to my father, who is probably a lot like most of your parents. Able to get online, but not really understanding the full intrecacies of the interwebs. I tried explaining how illegal this is, and that it's up to him to take that leap. I'm sure there are teenagers and preteens out there figuring this stuff out, too. Do you think that they're explaining the legalities and potential consquences to their friends, when they pass on the instructions?
As this knowledge passed down to further "generations" ofkids, and technology progresses, I could actually see how an ignorance defense could be fairly legitimate.
Not completely off topic, but this isn't the first time this idea of "infinite supply doesn't work with conventional/classical economic models" has come up before.
Does anyone know of any theorists or heavy thinkers in the field who are working on something like this? I mean, if the new products don't work with the old model, don't we need a new model? What would that model look like? I'd be interested in reading about work being done in this area if anyone has any suggestions.
I believe my rate count the last time I checked was around 1800, so I can identify with you. I've had a couple long nights where I'd just rate movies for the fun of it. My queue got quite a bit longer during that process, as I came across movies I'd meant to see but never did, etc.
One thing that caught my attention in the summary and the title was the use of the word "show." If we're including tv shows, and we're including ratings of "not interested", then how much larger does my rate count get if i decide I'm not interested in Dr. Who at all? I believe Netflix would count every disc as one rating.
I could actually see this being sort of useful. Imagine something like the Amazon "other users who bought this book" feature being used on the web. Privacy and the "but what I search for at 2 am isn't what I want (my coworkers/family/boss) to see at 2 pm" issues aside, I would put a little trust in some Google app that showed me websites people are visiting that have similar browsing habits as me. Is there some music blog I don't know about? Likely. I'd love to know which other music blogs people who read the blogs I read read.
in the end, facebook will be win-win-win, where the promoters, the narcissists, and the sane minority all get their way.
You forgot to mention Facebook itself, who sells ads to companies. Ads which don't link people to the company's external website, but to Facebook itself, driving up the cost of ads that it sells to companies...
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It seems like whenever this conversation comes up, someone posts "I would like to listen to music from artists who do this, but I can't find any" or similar.
In the interest of giving them a lead, and letting us here your stuff, care to post a link to your own work?
reminds me of this video which i came across recently:
http://www.wimp.com/satellitesorbit/
It's a pretty cool google earth animation of satellites in orbit.
So a police officer, an employee of the government does NOT count as a public presence, then?
Wrong. The whole point of Facebook is to serve your eyeballs and clicks to advertisers. The value in having people friend each other and create these networks is that when I click on some product/band/tv show* that I like, everyone on my friends list gets notified. They may check out said product, they may not. But the fact that it comes from me, someone they know, instead of just randomly showing up on their screen, means that it carries more weight.
And what's the purpose of a tv show? To serve eyeballs to advertisers.
if A=1, B=2, does that mean 9/11=.818181...=.HAHAHA...?
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Yeah, i'd heard of that product, too, and was trying to avoid alluding to that one. I remember hearing about some kind of insole or glove or something that used the same concept.
I don't remember the product, but there used to be some kind of ergonomic something that came custom. When you "bought" it at the store or via mailorder, you were actually given the kit that molds to your shape. I want to say it was some kind of orthopedic something. It came with some kind of resin that you mixed, and then put your feet onto, and let it harden. Then you sent this negative mold back to the company, and they would injection mold or use some other process to make their product that fit the contours of your body.
That's what I first thought of when I saw this headline. I wonder if that's doable with some tweaking to the process.
I stand corrected. Like I said, it's been over a decade since I remember reading about the case. It was becoming clear back then that it was going to be a disaster. I skimmed over the wikipedia article before I linked it, and didn't catch that.
That said, the case is still pretty messed up, jail time or no.
For more, check out Mike Diana's case:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_diana
I remember reading about this in some underground zines almost 15 years ago. Dude got railroaded for drawing adult comics that depicted child abuse. Alot of which Mike himself lived, and he used the drawing as therapy. He was sentenced to real live prison, and wasn't allowed to draw.
They essentially took away his right to draw with a pen and paper for drawing things with pen and paper.
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Thanks for the link. Will be updating our account today!
We got our first 2600 in about 1987. My parents got it used. I was young enough to still think it pretty cool at the time. Whoever we bought it from had hacked two buttons onto one of the joysticks, for use in video pinball. One button was the same as "left joystick", while the other was the same as "right joystick." The joystick functioned as normal.
I remember seeing an episode of Mr. Wizard where he took apart an Atari Joystick and had the girl play the game by manually touching the contacts on the circuit board, instead of using the joystick. I was able to figure out what the previous owner had done from memory of that episode.
Even at that age, it didn't take long for me to realize that I could do something with the hacked buttons that I couldn't do with the joystick alone. Namely, "move" to the right and the left at the same time. I don't remember the result in any other game but pacman. I'd play agains my sister, and midway throuy turn, i'd hit bottht once. Pacman would turn all of a sudden into one of the walls, and go through it, all the way across the screen, until he froze, all the power pellets dissappeared, and I moved on to the next round.
My sister would cry "cheater!" but I'd just shrug my shoulders and say "i dunno. the game just messed up."
You do realize that I was speaking in context of the cattle farmer's options, right?
Mine was also a viable option for the cattle farmer. Would take a paradigm shift, perhaps, but buggy whips, etc.
And yeah, I'd say you're pushing your agenda, just not as meanly as some might.
Fair enough. Taking the opportunity to push my agenda by contributing to the conversation in an on topic way? I'll accept that.
I've killed, gutted, slaughtered, and cooked my own meat.
I actually find less at fault about that than farm raised, corn fed meat. Kudos for knowing what goes into it.
You forgot option 3:
Stop eating the cows altogether.
Before I get modded troll, please know that despite my username, i'm not pushing an agenda. Just pointing out that that is one possible option.
And yes, I realize they're made of meat, so we're supposed to eat them, etc.
Goldline sells gold, it doesn't buy and melt it.
They just sell the gold they create, then?
Sure, you could buy anything from anywhere from the comfort of your home. Isn't there something to be said for browsing? How much inspiration comes from looking at that bin of wiring harnesses and realizing this other harness that you hadn't thought of would allow you to solve some other problem...allow your project to do more?
I've about given up on being able to go to a hardware store (in my local town, USA) and asking the hardware store employees for help solving some problem that requires thinking outside the box. If they don't sell some product that solves my problem, they don't carry it.
I'm a bit biased in my linkage here as I know personally some of the people involved in the bands and the websites, but check these out:
http://www.deathtofalsehoperecords.com/
and
http://quoteunquoterecords.com/
They both definitely have a more punk rock vibe to them, but especially Death to False Hope has been getting a ton more bands lately. There's probably something on there you'll like. Both labels offer their records for free downloads, but you're encouraged to donate something in exchange.
And I can't stress how hardworking the people running both of those labels are.
What about labels who don't belong to the RIAA? It seems like this would be a great way for Pandora--especially Pandora, since they're pretty popular, and people know the name. Probably more so than any other free-to-stream radio--to stick it to the major labels. Just stream indie labels, those who don't belong to the CRIA, or labels who give their stuff away for free, or license it for free for this kind of thing.
A reasonably prudent individual is going to know that making free copies of something that someone else created and is selling is wrong.
I don't know that you can make that argument so much anymore, and I'm pretty sure it's going to be difficult to continue making it in the years ahead.
Ignorance is no excuse, and all of that, but I really think we'll start to see more of this. As filesharing becomes easier on the user's end, how is a new/naive/young user supposed to know it's illegal? I mean, type the name of any current pop artist into Google, followed by "rapidshare", "yousendit" or one of the myriad other large file sharing services, and usually one of the first links Google finds is the file itself, ready for download.
The fact that these types of cases are coming up again and again make clear that it's a contentious issue, at least for some. Someone out there takes issue with all this content being freely available.
To be clear, I'm not arguing one way or another on the filesharing/copyright issue. I'm just saying that as we move forward with the web and user interfaces, and searchability, then a 12 year old kid who has some brains and can figure out some clever search "hacks" becomes able to just find files that are publicly available to download with no warning, no mention of "this could be copyrighted", etc.
I've tried explaining the process for finding files like this to my father, who is probably a lot like most of your parents. Able to get online, but not really understanding the full intrecacies of the interwebs. I tried explaining how illegal this is, and that it's up to him to take that leap. I'm sure there are teenagers and preteens out there figuring this stuff out, too. Do you think that they're explaining the legalities and potential consquences to their friends, when they pass on the instructions?
As this knowledge passed down to further "generations" ofkids, and technology progresses, I could actually see how an ignorance defense could be fairly legitimate.
Not completely off topic, but this isn't the first time this idea of "infinite supply doesn't work with conventional/classical economic models" has come up before.
Does anyone know of any theorists or heavy thinkers in the field who are working on something like this? I mean, if the new products don't work with the old model, don't we need a new model? What would that model look like? I'd be interested in reading about work being done in this area if anyone has any suggestions.
I believe my rate count the last time I checked was around 1800, so I can identify with you. I've had a couple long nights where I'd just rate movies for the fun of it. My queue got quite a bit longer during that process, as I came across movies I'd meant to see but never did, etc.
One thing that caught my attention in the summary and the title was the use of the word "show." If we're including tv shows, and we're including ratings of "not interested", then how much larger does my rate count get if i decide I'm not interested in Dr. Who at all? I believe Netflix would count every disc as one rating.
I could actually see this being sort of useful. Imagine something like the Amazon "other users who bought this book" feature being used on the web. Privacy and the "but what I search for at 2 am isn't what I want (my coworkers/family/boss) to see at 2 pm" issues aside, I would put a little trust in some Google app that showed me websites people are visiting that have similar browsing habits as me. Is there some music blog I don't know about? Likely. I'd love to know which other music blogs people who read the blogs I read read.
In other words, "Will 2010 be the year of Linux on the laptop"?
in the end, facebook will be win-win-win, where the promoters, the narcissists, and the sane minority all get their way.
You forgot to mention Facebook itself, who sells ads to companies. Ads which don't link people to the company's external website, but to Facebook itself, driving up the cost of ads that it sells to companies...