"Some time ago I heard about Jews and Arabs demonstrating
hand in hand for peace in Israel. They reacted by firing live rounds into the demonstration not caring who
the hit, Jew or Arab, because they certainly can't have that."
Do you recall anything more specific? Is there a link to a news story about this?
" I don't see Israel making it past this century if it continues to behave the way it always did"
That's the only reason it has survived this long: by fighting back and resisting the forces of genocide arrayed against it. If they behaved differently, the Israelis would quickly become nothing more than ashes and a memory.
"Anyway, anti-semitism has never been stronger in the Islamic world altogether "
It has always been rather strong. Early on, Muhammed ordered the sizable Jewish population of what is now Saudi Arabia exterminated. This was a sizable community of many thousands of people. Ever since then, it has been pretty much illegal to be Jewish in (what is now) Saudi Arabia. Are Islamic leaders inherently anti-semitic? Probably: there is much in their faith, as written in the Q'uran, that demands oppression of Jews and others. It is not a response to "decades of occupation", since they brought the occupation on themselves by attacking Israel.
"Apparently for some reason you equate the dissolution of the legal entity "The State of Israel"
with the deaths of millions of people"
This is not "some reason" It comes from reading the "Death to the Jews, starting with Israel" charters and speeches of Israel's most bitter enemies. That's only what the Palestinian government, Hesbollah, and the government of Iran want. Even when they don't want to kill off the Israelis, they want them "ethnically cleansed" from the area: something that few Israelis would a agree with. As a result, those with the task of loading the Israelis in the cattle-cars to ship them out would have to kill huge numbers of Israelis fighting to stay.
The difference with Germany was that you didn't have to deal with genocidal maniacs (like Israel has to deal with) dedicated to wiping out the Germans. Again, why not learn tolerance? Accept the rights of the Syrians, Palestinians, Egyptians, Israelis and Jordanians all to exist?
And yet recently in Pakistan (a strongly Islamic nation), the government ordered a sentence of rape (by multiple rapists) to be carried out against a woman. Last time I knew, this group of men had not been sentenced to death.
"Palestinians returning to their homeland can hardly be called an invasion."
I was referring to the Hesbollah army. not the Palestinians. Nonetheless, a provocative military adventure by the Palestinian army into Israel also counts as an invasion. What do you want me to "back up"?
" Israel could have made peace with it's neighbors (including the Palestinians, it's internal neighbors) decades ago through honesty, peaceful diplomacy, and recognition of the principles of democracy and self-determination"
They could have in an alternate reality. However, in the real world, Israel was faced with enemies that all wanted to exterminate the nation. These enemies did not recognize the rights of Israel to exist, let alone even want to talk with them. There is an exception: look at Egypt. This was the one country that early on made the decision that the Israelis could be allowed to live. Thus, there was here (and only here until the 1990s) and opportunity for the path of "honesty, peaceful diplomacy, and recognition of the principles of democracy and self-determination"
"Iran and N. Korea live in justified fear of US invasion, and for no agression of their own"
You have it entirely backwards. Both places are very aggressive. North Korea even tried to annihilate South Korea, and its leader still has this imperialist goal.
"If the US were interested in justice, it would have invaded Israel, seized their weapons of mass destruction and installed a democractic regime that either included the Palestinians, or let the Palestinians have a recognized government."
There is no need to do this. Aside from the weapons (which are a stategic deterent to prevent places like Iran from making good on their announced attack threats), there already is a democratic regime in Israel. The Palestinians there even vote. Outside, in Gaza and the rest of the territories, the Palestinians have a government recognized by Israel and the world. Too bad that the Palestinian government has not had the decency to recognize Israeli.
Israel has even pulled out of Gaza, only returning when Israeli troops are invited by Hamas's signature RSVP "unprovoked rocket attack" invitations. The only injustice would be to invade Israel. It is time to learn to live and let live, to accept the Israeli's right to exist.
"as pointed out, one could consider a zine like a paper blog, but they're so much more"
Paper zines really have a lot of Myspace thrown in. You know, the basic idea of "if I can fit a graphic here, why not?" and the incredible fun of unreadable font/color/background combinations. I have yet to see one that didn't suffer from extremely poor design decisions.
"I mean, think about it: game controllers with trained pigeons in 'em! That'd take force-feedback to a whole new level!"
You'll need a speaker-hole so that the birds in the controllers could communicate with the miniature pterodactyl inside the console box that actually pulls the strings and sticks to make the game work.
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The problem with these recipes, is that if you use Microsoft's oven, your lemon-meringue pie turns into meatloaf and your spinach souffle comes out as a bacon pizza.
Way to re-write history! Lebanon invades Israel, but Israel is called "the biggest threat".
"Who have Iran and N. Korea invaded recently?"
Iran has an army in Lebanon that invaded Israel last July (with the approval of the Lebanese government). Check your history about how Iran created Hesbollah in the early 1980s with the mission statement of exterminating the Jews. Iran is openly threatening (perhaps the better word is more like "planning") to build nuclear weapons so they can wipe Israel "off the map" (their words). North Korea has not invaded anyone because of the defenses south of the DMZ: one of the most fortified places in the world.
"which wont happen until there's an OS for PCs that 'just works'."
When it comes to a PC for games, I don't want something that just works: I want something to play, too. The virus thing you mention has little impact on this: stand-alone consoles were kicking the PC's A$$ in the game department long before the big era of spyware and viruses.
Advantages the consoles have over PC's? Load time and UI. If you want to play a DVD game on a playstation, chances are you will already be playing the game (power on to play time) BEFORE your PC is even booted to its desktop. And then on the PC, if you have never played the game before, you have to spend 20 minutes or so just to install it: a hassle that you don't have on Playstation and other consoles. And then there's the hassle of having to dig into the PC game's configuration to get it so the arrow keys work for directions like they should. Then there are other matters: console games are typically played on your nice big TV instead of the little computer monitor, and you can plug 4 joysticks into a console game without having the hassle to do the same on the PC (getting USB port-multiplier dongles, unplugging less-used USB devices, etc).
Finally, a PS2 is a PS2. It's not like in the PC workd where you have some current machines that are 1/10 as fast as other current machines and won't run the PC games nearly as well.
Sure, PCs have spyware and viruses, but that has always had little to do with the console advantage over the PC.
True. I suppose the complainer would have rather that the series had ballooned into 6 films just so they could fit the extra scenes in that would have been required to flesh out Legolas from his "action hero" role in an already-crowded cast of characters.
The charter of the current Palestinian government calls for the extermination of the people of the Israeli nation. That's a demand for genocide. The charter of the current Israeli government now (as it has for some time) recognizes the right of the Palestinian nation to exist. That's not genocide.
"Does that mean there is a problem with everyone else, or a problem with Jews?"
This "question" is similar to an argument I've seen, where someone says that there has to be some good reason for there to be antisemitism throughout history, and perhaps the Jews should be blamed for it. I'm not putting words in your mouth or saying that this is your argument. But it is similar. To answer? There is a problem with the Jews. It's not that they are doing anything wrong to anyone. It is the problem that, as a culture and nation, they refuse to die. They have persisted while other groups subjected to such persecution have completely vanished.
"Have you ever been this vocal about blacks, Kosovans, sweat shop workers, the homeless, Rwandans, Ethiopians, AIDS victims or any other group of people struggling at a time when the amount of money spent on killing could give every man, woman and child a life of luxury?"
To varying degrees. Especially, you were not around when I was arguing to defend the Kosovars.
"I deliberately ignored your link, as that web site is a well known source of pro-Israel propaganda"
That's a typical use of the word "propaganda" to mean "information or facts you dislike and would really not hear". If you had gone to the link and seen the sources, you would have found that the quotes came from places like mainstream newspapers in Lebanon.
Here's my parting shot: maybe someday you will learn tolerance, rather than tip the hat toward genocidal ideas such as "questioning" the right of a nation to exist.
"Whoa, ok, we are talking about the Hobbit. There is no Frodo or Sam at this point"
Dude, we're talking Hollywood. You'll not only have Frodo and Sam, you'll also have appearances by Smith of Wooten Major, Morgoth, Rand al'Thor and Optimus Prime.
Now nothing stands in the way of the ideal Hollywood version, with Paris Hilton as Galadriel, Ben Affleck as Gandalf, Jack Black as Sam Gamgee, and Keanu Reeve as Frodo ("The ring... Whoa!")
from the article: "Egeland and Freedland's criticism seems to amount to little more than blaming Hizbullah fighters for not standing in open fields waiting to be picked off by Israeli tanks and war planes"
That is a valid criticism. Hesbollah made a conscious decision to use civilians as a sort of armor. Worse yet, they made a conscious decision to invade and bombard Israel. This latter one is more important: the real cause of the war. The article attemps to justify Hesbollah's actions by calling it "An army defending itself from invasion" which is intentionally misleading in that it leaves out that Hesbollah started this with an unprovoked invasion.
also from the article: "Although we should not romanticise Hizbullah, equally we should not be quick to demonise it either"
Such sympathy for an army created in Iran in 1982 for the sole purpose of institaging aggression against Israel. Here are some quotes from the Hesbollah leader that are very anti-semitic and/or demand genocide:
" Its destiny is manifested in our motto: 'Death to Israel.'",
"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli."
"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."
Who is doing the demonizing? Does Hesbollah demonize itself with its own horrific goals and actions?
(from this
What sort of well-meaning person would even consider "romanticizing" an organization that states that it is out to get rid of all Jews worldwide?
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"One source of the pressure was Adama..."
And he will not rest until the script of each of the 12 Colonies is properly represented with ICANN. I hear he's not too keen on Cyrillic, however.
Prince no longer goes by that strange symbol as his name anymore.
"They hate the bootup sequence text and the weird program names, so they quit using computers altogether and get back to using ATMs."
I know. People have died just trying to pronounce "Ubuntu".
"Some time ago I heard about Jews and Arabs demonstrating hand in hand for peace in Israel. They reacted by firing live rounds into the demonstration not caring who the hit, Jew or Arab, because they certainly can't have that."
Do you recall anything more specific? Is there a link to a news story about this?
" I don't see Israel making it past this century if it continues to behave the way it always did"
That's the only reason it has survived this long: by fighting back and resisting the forces of genocide arrayed against it. If they behaved differently, the Israelis would quickly become nothing more than ashes and a memory.
"Anyway, anti-semitism has never been stronger in the Islamic world altogether "
It has always been rather strong. Early on, Muhammed ordered the sizable Jewish population of what is now Saudi Arabia exterminated. This was a sizable community of many thousands of people. Ever since then, it has been pretty much illegal to be Jewish in (what is now) Saudi Arabia. Are Islamic leaders inherently anti-semitic? Probably: there is much in their faith, as written in the Q'uran, that demands oppression of Jews and others. It is not a response to "decades of occupation", since they brought the occupation on themselves by attacking Israel.
"Apparently for some reason you equate the dissolution of the legal entity "The State of Israel" with the deaths of millions of people"
This is not "some reason" It comes from reading the "Death to the Jews, starting with Israel" charters and speeches of Israel's most bitter enemies. That's only what the Palestinian government, Hesbollah, and the government of Iran want. Even when they don't want to kill off the Israelis, they want them "ethnically cleansed" from the area: something that few Israelis would a agree with. As a result, those with the task of loading the Israelis in the cattle-cars to ship them out would have to kill huge numbers of Israelis fighting to stay.
The difference with Germany was that you didn't have to deal with genocidal maniacs (like Israel has to deal with) dedicated to wiping out the Germans. Again, why not learn tolerance? Accept the rights of the Syrians, Palestinians, Egyptians, Israelis and Jordanians all to exist?
"civilized peoples around the world that don't value free speech- and even see such freedoms as a danger to civilization itself."
Then we have to wonder if such fascists (who deny such a basic human right) can even be called civilized.
"Rape is punishable by death in Islam"
And yet recently in Pakistan (a strongly Islamic nation), the government ordered a sentence of rape (by multiple rapists) to be carried out against a woman. Last time I knew, this group of men had not been sentenced to death.
"Palestinians returning to their homeland can hardly be called an invasion."
I was referring to the Hesbollah army. not the Palestinians. Nonetheless, a provocative military adventure by the Palestinian army into Israel also counts as an invasion. What do you want me to "back up"?
" Israel could have made peace with it's neighbors (including the Palestinians, it's internal neighbors) decades ago through honesty, peaceful diplomacy, and recognition of the principles of democracy and self-determination"
They could have in an alternate reality. However, in the real world, Israel was faced with enemies that all wanted to exterminate the nation. These enemies did not recognize the rights of Israel to exist, let alone even want to talk with them. There is an exception: look at Egypt. This was the one country that early on made the decision that the Israelis could be allowed to live. Thus, there was here (and only here until the 1990s) and opportunity for the path of "honesty, peaceful diplomacy, and recognition of the principles of democracy and self-determination"
"Iran and N. Korea live in justified fear of US invasion, and for no agression of their own"
You have it entirely backwards. Both places are very aggressive. North Korea even tried to annihilate South Korea, and its leader still has this imperialist goal.
"If the US were interested in justice, it would have invaded Israel, seized their weapons of mass destruction and installed a democractic regime that either included the Palestinians, or let the Palestinians have a recognized government."
There is no need to do this. Aside from the weapons (which are a stategic deterent to prevent places like Iran from making good on their announced attack threats), there already is a democratic regime in Israel. The Palestinians there even vote. Outside, in Gaza and the rest of the territories, the Palestinians have a government recognized by Israel and the world. Too bad that the Palestinian government has not had the decency to recognize Israeli.
Israel has even pulled out of Gaza, only returning when Israeli troops are invited by Hamas's signature RSVP "unprovoked rocket attack" invitations. The only injustice would be to invade Israel. It is time to learn to live and let live, to accept the Israeli's right to exist.
"as pointed out, one could consider a zine like a paper blog, but they're so much more"
Paper zines really have a lot of Myspace thrown in. You know, the basic idea of "if I can fit a graphic here, why not?" and the incredible fun of unreadable font/color/background combinations. I have yet to see one that didn't suffer from extremely poor design decisions.
"I mean, think about it: game controllers with trained pigeons in 'em! That'd take force-feedback to a whole new level!"
You'll need a speaker-hole so that the birds in the controllers could communicate with the miniature pterodactyl inside the console box that actually pulls the strings and sticks to make the game work.
"Well, they did get Agent Smith to play Elrond. Why not use Neo, too?"
Yeah, and he can have a cousin Beo (the stinky hobbit).
It's sort of like a paper blog.....
The problem with these recipes, is that if you use Microsoft's oven, your lemon-meringue pie turns into meatloaf and your spinach souffle comes out as a bacon pizza.
" and the recent invasion of Lebanon."
Way to re-write history! Lebanon invades Israel, but Israel is called "the biggest threat".
"Who have Iran and N. Korea invaded recently?"
Iran has an army in Lebanon that invaded Israel last July (with the approval of the Lebanese government). Check your history about how Iran created Hesbollah in the early 1980s with the mission statement of exterminating the Jews. Iran is openly threatening (perhaps the better word is more like "planning") to build nuclear weapons so they can wipe Israel "off the map" (their words). North Korea has not invaded anyone because of the defenses south of the DMZ: one of the most fortified places in the world.
"which wont happen until there's an OS for PCs that 'just works'."
When it comes to a PC for games, I don't want something that just works: I want something to play, too. The virus thing you mention has little impact on this: stand-alone consoles were kicking the PC's A$$ in the game department long before the big era of spyware and viruses.
Advantages the consoles have over PC's? Load time and UI. If you want to play a DVD game on a playstation, chances are you will already be playing the game (power on to play time) BEFORE your PC is even booted to its desktop. And then on the PC, if you have never played the game before, you have to spend 20 minutes or so just to install it: a hassle that you don't have on Playstation and other consoles. And then there's the hassle of having to dig into the PC game's configuration to get it so the arrow keys work for directions like they should. Then there are other matters: console games are typically played on your nice big TV instead of the little computer monitor, and you can plug 4 joysticks into a console game without having the hassle to do the same on the PC (getting USB port-multiplier dongles, unplugging less-used USB devices, etc).
Finally, a PS2 is a PS2. It's not like in the PC workd where you have some current machines that are 1/10 as fast as other current machines and won't run the PC games nearly as well.
Sure, PCs have spyware and viruses, but that has always had little to do with the console advantage over the PC.
Congratulations. You got modified as a +2 Troll. That's quite an accomplishment.
True. I suppose the complainer would have rather that the series had ballooned into 6 films just so they could fit the extra scenes in that would have been required to flesh out Legolas from his "action hero" role in an already-crowded cast of characters.
The charter of the current Palestinian government calls for the extermination of the people of the Israeli nation. That's a demand for genocide. The charter of the current Israeli government now (as it has for some time) recognizes the right of the Palestinian nation to exist. That's not genocide.
"Does that mean there is a problem with everyone else, or a problem with Jews?"
This "question" is similar to an argument I've seen, where someone says that there has to be some good reason for there to be antisemitism throughout history, and perhaps the Jews should be blamed for it. I'm not putting words in your mouth or saying that this is your argument. But it is similar. To answer? There is a problem with the Jews. It's not that they are doing anything wrong to anyone. It is the problem that, as a culture and nation, they refuse to die. They have persisted while other groups subjected to such persecution have completely vanished.
"Have you ever been this vocal about blacks, Kosovans, sweat shop workers, the homeless, Rwandans, Ethiopians, AIDS victims or any other group of people struggling at a time when the amount of money spent on killing could give every man, woman and child a life of luxury?"
To varying degrees. Especially, you were not around when I was arguing to defend the Kosovars.
"I deliberately ignored your link, as that web site is a well known source of pro-Israel propaganda"
That's a typical use of the word "propaganda" to mean "information or facts you dislike and would really not hear". If you had gone to the link and seen the sources, you would have found that the quotes came from places like mainstream newspapers in Lebanon.
Here's my parting shot: maybe someday you will learn tolerance, rather than tip the hat toward genocidal ideas such as "questioning" the right of a nation to exist.
"Whoa, ok, we are talking about the Hobbit. There is no Frodo or Sam at this point"
Dude, we're talking Hollywood. You'll not only have Frodo and Sam, you'll also have appearances by Smith of Wooten Major, Morgoth, Rand al'Thor and Optimus Prime.
No, put "The Silmarillion" on Animal Planet, with Nigel Marven traveling back in time to capture and tangle with dragons and trolls.
Tolkien specifically revised "The Hobbit" after he wrote much of "The Lord of the Rings" in order to make it fit better.
Now nothing stands in the way of the ideal Hollywood version, with Paris Hilton as Galadriel, Ben Affleck as Gandalf, Jack Black as Sam Gamgee, and Keanu Reeve as Frodo ("The ring... Whoa!")
from the article: "Egeland and Freedland's criticism seems to amount to little more than blaming Hizbullah fighters for not standing in open fields waiting to be picked off by Israeli tanks and war planes"
That is a valid criticism. Hesbollah made a conscious decision to use civilians as a sort of armor. Worse yet, they made a conscious decision to invade and bombard Israel. This latter one is more important: the real cause of the war. The article attemps to justify Hesbollah's actions by calling it "An army defending itself from invasion" which is intentionally misleading in that it leaves out that Hesbollah started this with an unprovoked invasion.
also from the article: "Although we should not romanticise Hizbullah, equally we should not be quick to demonise it either"
Such sympathy for an army created in Iran in 1982 for the sole purpose of institaging aggression against Israel. Here are some quotes from the Hesbollah leader that are very anti-semitic and/or demand genocide:
" Its destiny is manifested in our motto: 'Death to Israel.'",
"If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli."
"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."
Who is doing the demonizing? Does Hesbollah demonize itself with its own horrific goals and actions? (from this
What sort of well-meaning person would even consider "romanticizing" an organization that states that it is out to get rid of all Jews worldwide?