My point being, Microsoft is doing exactly what should be done. You want everything to be stable and secure, well you better be ready to upgrade or patch whatever doesn't work after we do our fixes.
That's true, but it's for the FUTURE. It does NOT affect YOUR situation as you've described it.
We can't even get the users to try and open the spreadsheets in Excel or Word. They just refuse to do it. My recommendation in the last meeting was to just turn off Lotus 2.4 and WordPerfect (apps run on server) and tell the user either to use Microsoft Excel and Word or find a new job.
It sounds like you haven't given them any reason to switch. If all their documents are in WP 5.1, and they don't need to read anyone elses documents, what's the reason to switch?
Your job is to make the users' lives easier. If you can't do that, then they won't switch.
Are you running Windows? Why? Do you have Win32 apps that you need to run? If you're still on 9x, or Win2k and running DOS apps, I think THAT'S your problem.
What you THINK you're Requirement is: Run the lastest and greatest apps because Microsoft is dominant and constantly upgrading.
Your REAL Requirement: You need to provide stable multi-tasking to users who run DOS apps.
Resolution: Hell, if I were you, I'd be running OS/2 Warp. (But then again, I don't outsource ANYTHING. So if you can't handle the support without consultants, get something 'well-used'.)
The real reason they are "dark" is that they are cooler than the gas aronud them.
Ahh so there's just isn't a 'void' there as "stop upwelling hot gas from the solar interior", would seem to suggest. I guess 'cold' gas is upwelling from the interior:).
The article has a blurb next to the picture: The highest resolution solar image ever shows part of the largest sunspot in Active Region 10030. The central region is dark because the strong magnetic fields there stop upwelling hot gas from the solar interior.
Ok, so that's SUPPOSED to explain why it's dark.. by I thought fire gave off light. While I can see a strong magnetic field blocking gas, shouldn't the surrounding gas give off enough light to see in the hole itself?
Or is the hole just THAT BIG? (But light from the sun gets to us, you'd think it could light a hole from all sides..)
Yeah but the same person who might opt out of the Penis Pump spam might click the Breast Enhancing Pills spam. These guys intentionally try to make it difficult to opt out by not having a central system.
You're assuming you new central database doesn't have seperate tables based on who is interested in what. If they opt in, and don't pay attention to what else they will be automatically signed up for, they can be added to BOTH the Penis Pill, and Breast Enhance tables.
The previous post still applies. People completely uninterested in Penis Pill can/will opt out, leaving those who ignore, and those who are interested - trimming your table, and increasing the 'hit ratio'.
Everything is still opt-in, AND opt-out. The person initially giving away their email address has to be careful about what rights they've granted the new holder of their address - that's the key.
Small businesses that don't have the resources to maintain an investigation will have their reputations ruined.
Small businesses can hire me as a security consultant. And I can do my consulting by hacking^H^H^H^H^H^H telecommuting my way into California from my New Hampshire home.
Day 1: Begain Searching "Google" for perpetrators (Known hangout for 'haXors').
Day 5: Still Searching Google. Found many people distributing doctored pics of Natalie Portman, but no perps.
Day 12: No information found at Google. Now searching internationally, trying AltaVista (personal note, penis +1/4").
Day 17: Perps deface Nasa site. Personal note:
1. add more fake entries until Feds nab Nasa perps
2. Blame break-in on Nasa perps
3. Profit!
Thing that got me was that these spammers may buy 'legitimate' databases, but then they own them, which means you can get removed from one, but not all of them - 1000 spammers buy the full list from 'About' and expect users to politely remove themselves from all of them!
There's your business opportunity. Create a central DB with opt-in users (say from that survey site). Then sell subscriptions to 'direct marketers'. By allowing the users to remove themselves from the central database, the direct marketers will get a constantly refined list of more 'receptive' people - more people willing to buy - than they would just buying a list once. More income for them, because less email is automatically getting discarded.
Of course, that somewhat relies on people removing themselves from that list. If it's a good list, the word will get out, and most marketers would then use your database (because your hit percentage is higher than others'). If that happens, then there IS only one place for someone to remove their email address.
No, but if you read the full article, WorldCom had suspended the service of these people for 30 days at a time on at least three ocassions before. They still seem to have service with WorldCom too... I think that is a tremendous problem.
Wow, out of all these posts, I think you're the only one who didn't skim the article:P
As for your illegal use of CDs, that's your lookout - you have chosen to put your family at legal risk just to save a couple of bucks on CDs.
Allright, bad example. But the point was, that because I'm 'hacking' a CD, I'm not responsible for state department break-ins, or that strange cash advance on your credit card.
As for the spammers, I have NEVER EVER EVER given "opt-in" permission on my tech contact Email to any business. It was stolen from the Internic "whois" database over ten years ago, and now receives thousands of spams (ironically, I maintain that address as a spam trap now to help me keep a strong access.db) from hundreds of spammers, all of whom make exactly the same claims as Betterly.
And "All of whom" is how many businesses? 10? 15? 25?
Jesus, just becuase I've bought a used car lemon in the past, doesn't mean that ALL car dealers are pinheads.
As far as you know, ONE company mined your email address. Any company that has purchased your email address only has the previous company to rely on for accuracy.
It should be obvious
That's a leap of faith:P
that with individuals rapidly and constantly trading lists of as many as 60 million addresses, it is effectively impossible to get "opted out" permanently once one is on such a list. It is equally obvious that there is tremendous financial incentive to create lists without any regard for the wishes of those on the lists, and to represent those lists as "opt-in" when trading with other spammers.
I disagree. (In your words:), It should be obvious to see, if you're buying 'bunk' lists of harvested addresses, you are going to eventually see that the list from Harvester A doesn't generate the leads that Opt-In B provides. Therefore Harvester A will be pushed out of business. Basic economics.
Have you REALLY attempted to contact them, and let them know that your email address was harvested, and is not valid? I'm sure any legit 'spam' business wouldn't want to waste their bandwidth on harvested addresses, that are more likely to NOT generate revenue.
At least you are consistent; you, an admitted scofflaw, are defending other scofflaws. Kudos to you for that, I respect a consistent code of ethics.
Hey now, no name calling.:P Remember, SPAM is a BUSINESS, not just an annoyance. There are economic factors involved. It's a young industry, it will eventually smooth out (just like the desktop OS industry:)
WorldCom lets spammers get away with 'first offence'.
WorldCom helps spammers listwash.
WorldCom will let spammers get away with spamming several times before actually doing anything about it.
Are you people never satisifed? Do you want the FBI raiding at the FIRST sign of trouble, or do you want to follow proper channels?
Such an informative post. Where did that customers email address come from? How is Mr. Connell to REALLY know if that person merely clicked-through an agreement (Without reading it) that their email would be shared?
Did that person then attempt to use anything posted within the email to remove his/herself from that list?
"And she only sends bulk e-mails to people who have indicated at some time that they want to hear more about certain products or offers. People do that, some unwittingly, when they sign up for free e-mail accounts or create chat-room identities or buy products online. Many Web sites ask users whether they are interested in receiving marketing offers and ask them to check -- or, more likely, uncheck -- an obscure little box if they don't want to receive that kind of e-mail."
So people, in this case, are not paying attention. Strangely, that's also why there's such hubub about cars and cell-phone use.
"He flagged the name of the offended e-mail recipient on Ms. Betterly's list so that person wouldn't be contacted again."
So wait a second, because some places don't abide by their privacy agreements, or don't remove people when requested, then EVEYRONE is bad?
I suppose, then, I should be in prison, because I've circumvented copy protection using a No-CD crack so my kids don't have to touch CD's.
Obviously, you belive that if SOMEONE is doing something illegal in a certain area (hacking government systems), then EVERYONE must be doing that. I guess we shouldn't have access to source code either. Who KNOWS what we could do with that!
Please. Tell us. Some of us want to know which side of the double standard you really stand at.
"Katz was estranged from his family and often hung out with strippers"
You couldn't pay the trolls on/. to come up with a better paragraph than this.
How can you be worried about the/. trolls? Apparently you've never seen the strippers in Milwaukee.
Re:Landshark? What a stupid name.
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We've got one of these in Austin [austinducks.com] as well. Never been on it though.. Any fun?
Sure, High Speed from road to water?! What else could be more fun? Of course it helps in the Dells area where there are a lot of small lakes and streams which are not necessarily connected. They also claim to have the "World's largest Waterpark". Yes, it's actually in Wisconsin.:) (The big thing is indoor waterparks now)
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I'm from Wisconsin, EVERYONE knows the 4 wheeled versions are called Ducks.
Logically then, this should be called a Duckling. That's a far cry from a land shark.
Besides, what would you use to fence them in? You can easily keep ducks in with chicken wire.:P
Or, my personal favorite:
GUTEN TAG! [BLAM][BLAM][BLAM][BLAM][BLAM][BLAM]
It's hard to believe that actually scared me at one point in my life, but it did.
Hmmm I was actually referring to Castle Wolfenstein on the Apple ][. That sounds like a Wolf3D quote.
But I know what you mean. My friend had a pirated copy, and 3 levels wouldn't generate properly. His Apple was in the living room, and after walking through empty floors, with only dead guards laying around, and playing it with no sounds for 15 minutes, an SS popped into a Room and Yelled "Vonsoff!".
I jumped so high, I about gave HIS MOM a heart attack. (She was about 4 feet away from me watching TV).
How so? Even in the US it would be legal if the police had the proper warrants.
Err No.
A software glitch displayed information that was supposed to be private. I want to see posts on where the responsibility lies for 'software glitches'. Not "My privacy was invaded illegally". So far I can only see that there were 20k taps total, dozens in Germany. Home, Work, Cell. 3 per person. That gives you approx 6 thousand people total, say 'Telecommunications authorities".
But that's not the issue, I don't care about the legality of the taps, I want to know what the company has to give up because of their 'glitch'.
"The technical fault arose when we were installing new software," a spokesman for the mobile phone company O2 said.
How many people are concerned that German police MAY have been involved in illegal wiretapping?
Now, ask yourself if your concerned with the quality of the software doing your billing at any number of companies..
"Whoops, we didn't intend to share your personal data with 'Spammers-R-Us', it was a technical glitch during an upgrade. Sorry."
Maybe if the German police can levy some damages on the phone company, we can feel better about other companies making sure that what they say is private, stays private.
I never said humans didn't impact the world, I basically said the world would continue just fine with or without us.
In the last 150 years we have _dramatically_ altered patterns that have been steady for hundreds of millions of years.
Of course it was consistent, because there wasn't a catalyst for change. Except maybe those big rocks that fell once in a while - THEN there was a change, but since big rocks weren't falling consistently, there wasn't a consistent change, get it? Basic logic.
You seem to think the environment needs to be static. The ozone thing cracks me up. Not that I don't believe it's happening, but humans are all to make it better for THEMSELVES. If the melting of the icecaps were to occur, there would be trillions of dollars damage to seaports and cities. Didn't you see what happened on the West Coast? Seaport workers are CONTRACTED to make minimum of $110k/year, free medical, and job security from new tech. It's all about the money. Ignore the ozone thing, unclench your ass-cheeks. Once it becomes an issue, money will be redirected properly, and the imminent 'disaster' will be averted.
I'm sure your permanent shadow affixed to a cement wall will be very happy eternally remembering your syntactical victory on slashdot.
Cement isn't eternal. Nature will still exist. Winds, rain, and what's left of life as we know it (and new life as we don't know it yet), would erode away any sign of our current civilization.
If there was total nuclear annihilation, this wouldnt be a very fun place to live, would it?
I feel no need to leave my 'mark' on the world (I've been young, but not impressionable), nor do I think that anything other than void will consume us after death. I'm just sorry you can't see the bleak reality of it all.
You are right, it was foolish of me to think that profit-driven oil companies couldnt come up with a better plan for managing our ecology than Mother Nature, who has been successful for the last 5 billion years.
You're sorta right, you are foolish:)
But you're foolish to think that Mother Nature can't cope with human tinkering. Humans are always part of the cycle. If oil companies didn't exist, we would STILL be part of the cycle.
If there was total nuclear annihilation, Mother Nature would deal with it just fine. Picking favorites because you've been brain-washed isn't going to make Mother Nature twitch one bit.
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That's true, but it's for the FUTURE. It does NOT affect YOUR situation as you've described it.
We can't even get the users to try and open the spreadsheets in Excel or Word. They just refuse to do it. My recommendation in the last meeting was to just turn off Lotus 2.4 and WordPerfect (apps run on server) and tell the user either to use Microsoft Excel and Word or find a new job.
It sounds like you haven't given them any reason to switch. If all their documents are in WP 5.1, and they don't need to read anyone elses documents, what's the reason to switch?
Your job is to make the users' lives easier. If you can't do that, then they won't switch.
Are you running Windows? Why? Do you have Win32 apps that you need to run? If you're still on 9x, or Win2k and running DOS apps, I think THAT'S your problem.
What you THINK you're Requirement is: Run the lastest and greatest apps because Microsoft is dominant and constantly upgrading.
Your REAL Requirement: You need to provide stable multi-tasking to users who run DOS apps.
Resolution: Hell, if I were you, I'd be running OS/2 Warp. (But then again, I don't outsource ANYTHING. So if you can't handle the support without consultants, get something 'well-used'.)
Ahh so there's just isn't a 'void' there as "stop upwelling hot gas from the solar interior", would seem to suggest. I guess 'cold' gas is upwelling from the interior :).
That's what I was wondering. Thanks!
The highest resolution solar image ever shows part of the largest sunspot in Active Region 10030. The central region is dark because the strong magnetic fields there stop upwelling hot gas from the solar interior.
Ok, so that's SUPPOSED to explain why it's dark.. by I thought fire gave off light. While I can see a strong magnetic field blocking gas, shouldn't the surrounding gas give off enough light to see in the hole itself?
Or is the hole just THAT BIG? (But light from the sun gets to us, you'd think it could light a hole from all sides..)
You're assuming you new central database doesn't have seperate tables based on who is interested in what. If they opt in, and don't pay attention to what else they will be automatically signed up for, they can be added to BOTH the Penis Pill, and Breast Enhance tables.
The previous post still applies. People completely uninterested in Penis Pill can/will opt out, leaving those who ignore, and those who are interested - trimming your table, and increasing the 'hit ratio'.
Everything is still opt-in, AND opt-out. The person initially giving away their email address has to be careful about what rights they've granted the new holder of their address - that's the key.
I SWEAR that's right out of a Win95 marketing sheet. :)
It's just like a big touchpad:
(GOD_DAMN KICK-ASS LOOKING MORSE CODE REMOVED BY FUCKING LAMENESS FILTER! IT'S A LANGUAGE DAMMIT - ADD IT!)
- slide finger left to right :P
. tap
/ upper right to lower left
It can't be THAT hard to remember, the military uses it
Trust me, it's doesn't work that well. A little longer and count(kids) > count(monitors).
There's your business opportunity. Create a central DB with opt-in users (say from that survey site). Then sell subscriptions to 'direct marketers'. By allowing the users to remove themselves from the central database, the direct marketers will get a constantly refined list of more 'receptive' people - more people willing to buy - than they would just buying a list once. More income for them, because less email is automatically getting discarded.
Of course, that somewhat relies on people removing themselves from that list. If it's a good list, the word will get out, and most marketers would then use your database (because your hit percentage is higher than others').
If that happens, then there IS only one place for someone to remove their email address.
No more steam conversions? I wonder, if applied to a conventional sized reactor, how the electrical output would change...
Wow, out of all these posts, I think you're the only one who didn't skim the article :P
Allright, bad example. But the point was, that because I'm 'hacking' a CD, I'm not responsible for state department break-ins, or that strange cash advance on your credit card.
As for the spammers, I have NEVER EVER EVER given "opt-in" permission on my tech contact Email to any business. It was stolen from the Internic "whois" database over ten years ago, and now receives thousands of spams (ironically, I maintain that address as a spam trap now to help me keep a strong access.db) from hundreds of spammers, all of whom make exactly the same claims as Betterly.
And "All of whom" is how many businesses? 10? 15? 25?
Jesus, just becuase I've bought a used car lemon in the past, doesn't mean that ALL car dealers are pinheads.
As far as you know, ONE company mined your email address. Any company that has purchased your email address only has the previous company to rely on for accuracy.
It should be obvious
That's a leap of faith :P
that with individuals rapidly and constantly trading lists of as many as 60 million addresses, it is effectively impossible to get "opted out" permanently once one is on such a list. It is equally obvious that there is tremendous financial incentive to create lists without any regard for the wishes of those on the lists, and to represent those lists as "opt-in" when trading with other spammers.
I disagree. (In your words :), It should be obvious to see, if you're buying 'bunk' lists of harvested addresses, you are going to eventually see that the list from Harvester A doesn't generate the leads that Opt-In B provides. Therefore Harvester A will be pushed out of business. Basic economics.
Have you REALLY attempted to contact them, and let them know that your email address was harvested, and is not valid? I'm sure any legit 'spam' business wouldn't want to waste their bandwidth on harvested addresses, that are more likely to NOT generate revenue.
At least you are consistent; you, an admitted scofflaw, are defending other scofflaws. Kudos to you for that, I respect a consistent code of ethics.
Hey now, no name calling. :P Remember, SPAM is a BUSINESS, not just an annoyance. There are economic factors involved. It's a young industry, it will eventually smooth out (just like the desktop OS industry :)
- WorldCom lets spammers get away with 'first offence'.
- WorldCom helps spammers listwash.
- WorldCom will let spammers get away with spamming several times before actually doing anything about it.
Are you people never satisifed? Do you want the FBI raiding at the FIRST sign of trouble, or do you want to follow proper channels?Such an informative post. Where did that customers email address come from? How is Mr. Connell to REALLY know if that person merely clicked-through an agreement (Without reading it) that their email would be shared? Did that person then attempt to use anything posted within the email to remove his/herself from that list?
"And she only sends bulk e-mails to people who have indicated at some time that they want to hear more about certain products or offers. People do that, some unwittingly, when they sign up for free e-mail accounts or create chat-room identities or buy products online. Many Web sites ask users whether they are interested in receiving marketing offers and ask them to check -- or, more likely, uncheck -- an obscure little box if they don't want to receive that kind of e-mail."
So people, in this case, are not paying attention. Strangely, that's also why there's such hubub about cars and cell-phone use.
"He flagged the name of the offended e-mail recipient on Ms. Betterly's list so that person wouldn't be contacted again."
So wait a second, because some places don't abide by their privacy agreements, or don't remove people when requested, then EVEYRONE is bad?
I suppose, then, I should be in prison, because I've circumvented copy protection using a No-CD crack so my kids don't have to touch CD's.
Obviously, you belive that if SOMEONE is doing something illegal in a certain area (hacking government systems), then EVERYONE must be doing that. I guess we shouldn't have access to source code either. Who KNOWS what we could do with that!
Please. Tell us. Some of us want to know which side of the double standard you really stand at.
You couldn't pay the trolls on /. to come up with a better paragraph than this.
How can you be worried about the /. trolls?
Apparently you've never seen the strippers in Milwaukee.
Sure, High Speed from road to water?! What else could be more fun? Of course it helps in the Dells area where there are a lot of small lakes and streams which are not necessarily connected. They also claim to have the "World's largest Waterpark". Yes, it's actually in Wisconsin. :) (The big thing is indoor waterparks now)
Logically then, this should be called a Duckling. That's a far cry from a land shark.
Besides, what would you use to fence them in? :P
You can easily keep ducks in with chicken wire.
GUTEN TAG! [BLAM][BLAM][BLAM][BLAM][BLAM][BLAM]
It's hard to believe that actually scared me at one point in my life, but it did.
Hmmm I was actually referring to Castle Wolfenstein on the Apple ][. That sounds like a Wolf3D quote.
But I know what you mean. My friend had a pirated copy, and 3 levels wouldn't generate properly. His Apple was in the living room, and after walking through empty floors, with only dead guards laying around, and playing it with no sounds for 15 minutes, an SS popped into a Room and Yelled "Vonsoff!".
I jumped so high, I about gave HIS MOM a heart attack.
(She was about 4 feet away from me watching TV).
I looked that up, and all I found was "Acht, Mein Leiben".
Which is "8, My Dear" :)
Ah German -- a word for everything. What was the one for "that feeling to get when your neighbor's house is on fire"? Ich vergesse.
Scheiße! Mein freunds casa ist vershekt!
Err No.
A software glitch displayed information that was supposed to be private. I want to see posts on where the responsibility lies for 'software glitches'. Not "My privacy was invaded illegally". So far I can only see that there were 20k taps total, dozens in Germany. Home, Work, Cell. 3 per person. That gives you approx 6 thousand people total, say 'Telecommunications authorities".
But that's not the issue, I don't care about the legality of the taps, I want to know what the company has to give up because of their 'glitch'.
Remember Wolfenstein?
Halt!
Kommentein!
Aus Pass?
Vonsaff!
You panic and run into a wall:
###BERRP!###BERRP!###BERRP!###BERRP!###BERRP!
Ok, so I KNOW the Vonsaff is wrong..
How many people are concerned that German police MAY have been involved in illegal wiretapping?
Now, ask yourself if your concerned with the quality of the software doing your billing at any number of companies..
"Whoops, we didn't intend to share your personal data with 'Spammers-R-Us', it was a technical glitch during an upgrade. Sorry."
Maybe if the German police can levy some damages on the phone company, we can feel better about other companies making sure that what they say is private, stays private.
In the last 150 years we have _dramatically_ altered patterns that have been steady for hundreds of millions of years.
Of course it was consistent, because there wasn't a catalyst for change. Except maybe those big rocks that fell once in a while - THEN there was a change, but since big rocks weren't falling consistently, there wasn't a consistent change, get it? Basic logic.
You seem to think the environment needs to be static. The ozone thing cracks me up. Not that I don't believe it's happening, but humans are all to make it better for THEMSELVES. If the melting of the icecaps were to occur, there would be trillions of dollars damage to seaports and cities. Didn't you see what happened on the West Coast? Seaport workers are CONTRACTED to make minimum of $110k/year, free medical, and job security from new tech. It's all about the money. Ignore the ozone thing, unclench your ass-cheeks. Once it becomes an issue, money will be redirected properly, and the imminent 'disaster' will be averted.
I'm sure your permanent shadow affixed to a cement wall will be very happy eternally remembering your syntactical victory on slashdot.
Cement isn't eternal. Nature will still exist. Winds, rain, and what's left of life as we know it (and new life as we don't know it yet), would erode away any sign of our current civilization.
If there was total nuclear annihilation, this wouldnt be a very fun place to live, would it?
I feel no need to leave my 'mark' on the world (I've been young, but not impressionable), nor do I think that anything other than void will consume us after death. I'm just sorry you can't see the bleak reality of it all.
You're sorta right, you are foolish :)
But you're foolish to think that Mother Nature can't cope with human tinkering. Humans are always part of the cycle. If oil companies didn't exist, we would STILL be part of the cycle.
If there was total nuclear annihilation, Mother Nature would deal with it just fine. Picking favorites because you've been brain-washed isn't going to make Mother Nature twitch one bit.
So can we also assume you won't help hunting the deer that have completely overwhelmed the upper midwest due to 'conservation'?
http://datcp.state.wi.us/ah/agriculture/animals/di sease/chronic/faqs.html
Hmm Under "Symptoms", one is said to be "depression". How many of our tax dollars went towards analysis of deer psychology?
Damn bleeding heart liberals.