This is like asking a blind person their favorite color. If you've never had uncensored access how do you even know?
And to reiterate earlier posts, they did not ask about censorship but control. If you're a chinese citizen, are you going to say to ANYONE, let alone foreigners, that you disapprove of the way the glorious PRC is handling its control of..well.everything? No, you'd be scared shitless to say such a thing.
This study is worthless other than to tell us what we already know, that China is a fucking scary hellhole if you question anything at all.
quite true, good points all around.
One issue with the last part though, the means to find an ISP that doesn't throttle? Sure.
To have that ISP be in your area...not so sure.
unfortunately the school does effectively own these kids. The effect to which students choices "affect the school" has been expanded so much in ill thought out rulings that the kids are effectively the property of the schools. I don't believe the bill of rights applies when a student is in school and the school effectively defines "in school" not as in the building but attending the school and the courts have tended to agree.
In summary
fuck that.
This is so true. The US wouldn't have half the problems it does if it stopped wasting time and money trying to educate those who have no interest in education. If someone doesn't want to learn, they're not going to put in the effort. It's as simple as that. No amount of cajoling or punishment or anything else is going to change that.
There is, of course, actually nurturing and educating students so that they want to learn, but that does not work on a national level because of cost and the nature of such a system. For that to work it would have to be locally administered, paid for, etc, without the federal government involved. Preferably without state as well.
To Fix Schoolsystem
1. Abolish DOE, it's not the fed's place to be involved in education.
2. Abolish compulsory education.
And that's just a start.
To the argument of "but they'll cause trouble and break into my home or car if they're truant!". Well, that's what jail is for. If they're coercing you, they should be in jail. So the police aren't doing their jobs.
Not in school by choice? If you're old enough to choose to not go to school, you're old enough to stand as an adult in front of a judge and do adult time.
wait, lobby congress to/allow/ jamming technology? If it stops being an opt in program, so to speak, then we don't need to be lobbying congress.
We need to be asking how it got anywhere near that far in the first place.
If there is a bug in my arm and it's illegal to have a surgeon remove it, give me a local anaesthetic and a knife.
DPI has only one option when presented with encrypted information however (at least afaik). Give the packet a low priority or pass it through normally (of course, it could also drop it entirely but doing that as a rule would be problematic to say the least).
So it would be possible to force a bet. Can the ISPs afford to give encrypted traffic a very low priority?
It's the same thing as other bosses of criminal gangs (and don't kid yourself that the democrats/republicans aren't criminal gangs).
1) they never expect to get caught because they're calling the shots and are on the offensive
2) they think they're a lot smarter than they are so they never anticipate getting caught at all
3) Yes, they can be found just as guilty of something and everyone should be on the same footing. However, the legal system is intertwined with the politicians. Do you bite the hand that feeds you? Only if you have a very good chance of winning, so the occasional politician that screwed up his corruption attempt gets caught and the rest essentially remark "heh...moron, I'm glad I'm never going to get caught"
Oh the cop killing routine.
Fed != Cop.
"Cop Killing" brings up the image of a posterboy neighborhood cop getting shot by some asshole who was drunk driving. Law enforcement from the federal government is a great deal different than local or even state. What's the big difference? Feds can make you disappear.
No trial, no "due process". They can quasi-legally make you disappear (see black sites in Hungary, etc).
Dispute about copyright violation is different from someone coming into my home, violating my personal sovereignty and taking my belongings because I'm acting against the wishes of a cartel. I'm honestly not a violent person, but when assaulted in any way I consider it to be my human right to defend myself from aggressors unless I aggressed upon them and if the aggression was not violent I would ask that they come discuss it with me rather than a show of force.
Anyone who can't stay out of other people's business unless they're coercing them should be considered a threat to your life.
I'm sorry, have you been paying attention recently?
That's how things are supposed to be. If things were how they were supposed to be according to the constitution 99% of this bullshit wouldn't even be getting heard by congress.
When a fed comes to your door, I have three words for you. Headshots headshots headshots. They wear armored vests and helmets so aim for the eyes. (paraphrased)
If you saw your friend again, would you be able to explain why you did it? Would he agree with your reasoning or would he feel you had violated his sovereignty?
You can still respect him in death, what would he say?
when your government decides that anything it deems antisocial should be a crime, it suddenly becomes their business. Perhaps all this "antisocial" nonsense should be revisited.
Antisocial != violent OR coercive.
If they did that I'd smile I'd smile, and then give them a/very/ broken honeypot. Perhaps it will hurt rather than help their efforts. Then again...if they're putting it all on windows vista to begin with they've set up the honeypot for me.
This is just what we need. Perhaps if things had been properly defended in the first place there wouldn't be so much of a need for the "Cyber Command" in the first place. Or, here's another idea, perhaps critically important systems shouldn't be connected to the INTERNET!!!
perfect security is impossible, somehow "bringing the fight to the enemy" isn't a solution. Changing the way you think about the internet is.
I can't wait until it's "you're on our side of the internet or you're on their side!!"
Every time a government, or especially its military, does something stupid in regards to the internet, I feel the strong need to drink.
Eh, I think the source can be from either direction. While what you say is true that kids raised with no guidelines can have huge problems later in life it is my opinion, at least based on my own observations, that the reverse is a great deal more prevalent. It is also quite difficult to determine which end the problem started from, too strict/harsh or not strict enough/no consequences for anything at all. I think the way you phrase your comment however betrays a particular bias.
"People treat children as king and they even trust them".
Why should trusting someone have anything to do with their age as opposed to their track record of honesty? The bias comes into focus even more when you say
"The result is children believe they have at least as much value as adults and so they don't understand why they should listen"
First of all, trying to quantify a person's worth at all is quite a tall order; I question whether it is possible at all and if it is indeed possible it is most likely not connected with age. Second, children shouldn't necessarily listen to all adults. Let's face it, some adults are complete morons and can barely run their own lives, let alone tell a child how to run theirs.
Children should be taught to listen to reason, not to authority. If a child shows they are incapable of reason, that's one thing, in that case start teaching them to reason. If a child can reason, back off and talk with them instead of just making them listen and obey.
And before anyone says I've never dealt with children, it's part of my job and the method of reasoning with kids instead of demanding works quite well.
Looking at the UK it's clear why so many of their youth have alcohol problems; hell, why so much of their society does. When a culture shows their young so much disdain and mistrust it's quite clear why this sort of thing happens. If you grew up with people hating you simply because you're a kid how would you react?
Rather disturbing isn't it? It seems some people won't accept any amount of kids being kids and are so terrified that they see threats anywhere and everywhere
It would get them expelled for "terroristic threats/acts" and probably for some bizarre version of obstruction of justice. School systems suck for the kids in them, especially public...ESPECIALLY PUBLIC...(especially Chicago)
It's impossible to explain to someone who hasn't worked with Chicago Public Schools (CPS) or an equally corrupt public school system how fast this will be used for corrupt, ill-thought out and simply evil reasons. I met some of the most corrupt sick people I have ever met in my life when I worked as an IT manager for a CPS school. Not the other IT people, they were quite amazing; but the upper administration of CPS and a great deal of the teacher's unions.
There will be shitloads of blackmail
The schools will become even more authoritarian and foster orwellian thinking ie "I don't see why it's so bad for there to be cameras everywhere, that's how it is in school" (not arguing the point here, I it won't work like this on everyone, but the fact that it will screw over more people is obscene).
Chicago Public Schools will become more like prisons than they already are. These schools and the way they're run do not foster learning at all (at least 99% of CPS schools) but encourage obedience, fear, and learning the "right" information. You want to know why something is the way it is or question an assumption as I student? I've seen brilliant students arguing their points with immense skill receive very low grades simply for disagreeing with a point of dogma for a particular teacher (case in point, Keynesian vs Austrian economics).
These last bits I saw when I attended a CPS school before working for one (dear sweet god, never again).
Daley doesn't care what happens in Chicago as long as he gets re-elected. The whole Daley dynasty in Chicago is essentially like that, look them up on Wikipedia and the references if you don't believe me. Richard M Daley, Richard J Daley. (it's 3 AM where I am...you get no link)
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who says they even work? All that matters is that the chinese judicial system acts as if they work.
This is like asking a blind person their favorite color. If you've never had uncensored access how do you even know? And to reiterate earlier posts, they did not ask about censorship but control. If you're a chinese citizen, are you going to say to ANYONE, let alone foreigners, that you disapprove of the way the glorious PRC is handling its control of..well.everything? No, you'd be scared shitless to say such a thing. This study is worthless other than to tell us what we already know, that China is a fucking scary hellhole if you question anything at all.
you're right, and I shall bleed all over those who are still chipped, chortling in unholy rage.
There goes canada's consumer ISP market....
quite true, good points all around. One issue with the last part though, the means to find an ISP that doesn't throttle? Sure. To have that ISP be in your area...not so sure.
unfortunately the school does effectively own these kids. The effect to which students choices "affect the school" has been expanded so much in ill thought out rulings that the kids are effectively the property of the schools. I don't believe the bill of rights applies when a student is in school and the school effectively defines "in school" not as in the building but attending the school and the courts have tended to agree. In summary fuck that.
This is so true. The US wouldn't have half the problems it does if it stopped wasting time and money trying to educate those who have no interest in education. If someone doesn't want to learn, they're not going to put in the effort. It's as simple as that. No amount of cajoling or punishment or anything else is going to change that. There is, of course, actually nurturing and educating students so that they want to learn, but that does not work on a national level because of cost and the nature of such a system. For that to work it would have to be locally administered, paid for, etc, without the federal government involved. Preferably without state as well. To Fix Schoolsystem 1. Abolish DOE, it's not the fed's place to be involved in education. 2. Abolish compulsory education. And that's just a start. To the argument of "but they'll cause trouble and break into my home or car if they're truant!". Well, that's what jail is for. If they're coercing you, they should be in jail. So the police aren't doing their jobs. Not in school by choice? If you're old enough to choose to not go to school, you're old enough to stand as an adult in front of a judge and do adult time.
wait, lobby congress to /allow/ jamming technology? If it stops being an opt in program, so to speak, then we don't need to be lobbying congress.
We need to be asking how it got anywhere near that far in the first place.
If there is a bug in my arm and it's illegal to have a surgeon remove it, give me a local anaesthetic and a knife.
DPI has only one option when presented with encrypted information however (at least afaik). Give the packet a low priority or pass it through normally (of course, it could also drop it entirely but doing that as a rule would be problematic to say the least). So it would be possible to force a bet. Can the ISPs afford to give encrypted traffic a very low priority?
It's the same thing as other bosses of criminal gangs (and don't kid yourself that the democrats/republicans aren't criminal gangs). 1) they never expect to get caught because they're calling the shots and are on the offensive 2) they think they're a lot smarter than they are so they never anticipate getting caught at all 3) Yes, they can be found just as guilty of something and everyone should be on the same footing. However, the legal system is intertwined with the politicians. Do you bite the hand that feeds you? Only if you have a very good chance of winning, so the occasional politician that screwed up his corruption attempt gets caught and the rest essentially remark "heh...moron, I'm glad I'm never going to get caught"
Oh the cop killing routine. Fed != Cop. "Cop Killing" brings up the image of a posterboy neighborhood cop getting shot by some asshole who was drunk driving. Law enforcement from the federal government is a great deal different than local or even state. What's the big difference? Feds can make you disappear. No trial, no "due process". They can quasi-legally make you disappear (see black sites in Hungary, etc). Dispute about copyright violation is different from someone coming into my home, violating my personal sovereignty and taking my belongings because I'm acting against the wishes of a cartel. I'm honestly not a violent person, but when assaulted in any way I consider it to be my human right to defend myself from aggressors unless I aggressed upon them and if the aggression was not violent I would ask that they come discuss it with me rather than a show of force. Anyone who can't stay out of other people's business unless they're coercing them should be considered a threat to your life.
I'm sorry, have you been paying attention recently? That's how things are supposed to be. If things were how they were supposed to be according to the constitution 99% of this bullshit wouldn't even be getting heard by congress.
When a fed comes to your door, I have three words for you. Headshots headshots headshots. They wear armored vests and helmets so aim for the eyes. (paraphrased)
If you saw your friend again, would you be able to explain why you did it? Would he agree with your reasoning or would he feel you had violated his sovereignty? You can still respect him in death, what would he say?
when your government decides that anything it deems antisocial should be a crime, it suddenly becomes their business. Perhaps all this "antisocial" nonsense should be revisited. Antisocial != violent OR coercive.
If they did that I'd smile I'd smile, and then give them a /very/ broken honeypot. Perhaps it will hurt rather than help their efforts.
Then again...if they're putting it all on windows vista to begin with they've set up the honeypot for me.
This is just what we need. Perhaps if things had been properly defended in the first place there wouldn't be so much of a need for the "Cyber Command" in the first place. Or, here's another idea, perhaps critically important systems
shouldn't
be
connected
to
the
INTERNET!!!
perfect security is impossible, somehow "bringing the fight to the enemy" isn't a solution. Changing the way you think about the internet is.
I can't wait until it's "you're on our side of the internet or you're on their side!!"
Every time a government, or especially its military, does something stupid in regards to the internet, I feel the strong need to drink.
From what I recall subliminal messaging was dismissed as bunk a decade ago or earlier.
Also...Disney...
honest?...come on....
Eh, I think the source can be from either direction. While what you say is true that kids raised with no guidelines can have huge problems later in life it is my opinion, at least based on my own observations, that the reverse is a great deal more prevalent. It is also quite difficult to determine which end the problem started from, too strict/harsh or not strict enough/no consequences for anything at all.
I think the way you phrase your comment however betrays a particular bias.
"People treat children as king and they even trust them".
Why should trusting someone have anything to do with their age as opposed to their track record of honesty?
The bias comes into focus even more when you say
"The result is children believe they have at least as much value as adults and so they don't understand why they should listen"
First of all, trying to quantify a person's worth at all is quite a tall order; I question whether it is possible at all and if it is indeed possible it is most likely not connected with age. Second, children shouldn't necessarily listen to all adults. Let's face it, some adults are complete morons and can barely run their own lives, let alone tell a child how to run theirs.
Children should be taught to listen to reason, not to authority. If a child shows they are incapable of reason, that's one thing, in that case start teaching them to reason. If a child can reason, back off and talk with them instead of just making them listen and obey.
And before anyone says I've never dealt with children, it's part of my job and the method of reasoning with kids instead of demanding works quite well.
Looking at the UK it's clear why so many of their youth have alcohol problems; hell, why so much of their society does. When a culture shows their young so much disdain and mistrust it's quite clear why this sort of thing happens.
If you grew up with people hating you simply because you're a kid how would you react?
If said networks were better defended/defended at all I get the feeling this wouldn't be as much of a problem.
The US Government, the most incompetent show on earth!
Rather disturbing isn't it? It seems some people won't accept any amount of kids being kids and are so terrified that they see threats anywhere and everywhere
If a guy that would shoot someone with a gun couldn't get the gun they'd use a knife or a club or a baseball bat.
It would get them expelled for "terroristic threats/acts" and probably for some bizarre version of obstruction of justice.
School systems suck for the kids in them, especially public...ESPECIALLY PUBLIC...(especially Chicago)
It's impossible to explain to someone who hasn't worked with Chicago Public Schools (CPS) or an equally corrupt public school system how fast this will be used for corrupt, ill-thought out and simply evil reasons.
I met some of the most corrupt sick people I have ever met in my life when I worked as an IT manager for a CPS school. Not the other IT people, they were quite amazing; but the upper administration of CPS and a great deal of the teacher's unions.
There will be shitloads of blackmail
The schools will become even more authoritarian and foster orwellian thinking ie "I don't see why it's so bad for there to be cameras everywhere, that's how it is in school" (not arguing the point here, I it won't work like this on everyone, but the fact that it will screw over more people is obscene).
Chicago Public Schools will become more like prisons than they already are. These schools and the way they're run do not foster learning at all (at least 99% of CPS schools) but encourage obedience, fear, and learning the "right" information. You want to know why something is the way it is or question an assumption as I student? I've seen brilliant students arguing their points with immense skill receive very low grades simply for disagreeing with a point of dogma for a particular teacher (case in point, Keynesian vs Austrian economics).
These last bits I saw when I attended a CPS school before working for one (dear sweet god, never again).
Daley doesn't care what happens in Chicago as long as he gets re-elected. The whole Daley dynasty in Chicago is essentially like that, look them up on Wikipedia and the references if you don't believe me. Richard M Daley, Richard J Daley. (it's 3 AM where I am...you get no link)