Are you sure about that. I've tried to have repair work done and had to prove I owned the item. The fact that the state doesn't require title to be shown as with a car or house, doesn't mean there isn't a law somewhere stating you need to show proof of ownership. And anyone smart enough should get some sort of documentation that they purchased the item from you.
If the people paid you cash and then you filed a claim with your insurance that it was stolen and a police report. The purchaser of the frig would most likely, with out proof of purchase, be assummed guilty and have the frig repossed.
So just because we don't, in our day to day lives, follow all the laws (written or common) doesn't mean they don't exist.
The spooks already have tools to break codes. Law enforcement doesn't. The spooks don't want to reveal how easy or hard it is for them to break say PGP. Law enforcement has no tools to break PGP except the law. So they want the law to treat PGP like a weapon. Make the penalties very stiff for using "illegal" crypto in US. Just like we couldn't get organized crime bosses for murder, we got them for tax evasion. Now law enforcement will get you for using strong (non-back doored) crypto.
Of course this isn't as sexy as claiming the US government is out to steal all the commercial secrets in the world. This is just as silly a claim as the terrorist belief that the US is a great worldwide evil. It isn't as if France, Russia, or Germany don't have spooks that regulary collect "industrial espionage" data. To single out the US as if it is the only guilty party is cheap.
But I belive more importantly, many Afghans will die even if the US does nothing. So if the US does nothing, they will die, and people will still blame the US. If the US does something, many Afghans will die and the US will be called evil. If the US attempts to help the Afghans and many die, people will still blame the US, maybe accusing Bush of being so stupid, he tried to help and still killed a bunch of Afghans.
I believe something needs to be done. And yes, people/politicians with personal agendas that have nothing to do with the real problem, will use this horrible event of Sept. 11 to push their agendas. Will use our desire to so something to pervert our liberties. So we, in the US, need to make it clear to our representitives that they take a well thought out path. Balancing our personal liberties against the common good. To make sure that some religious fanatic like Pat Robertson or some closet Hoover facist doesn't get our freedoms curtailed in some McCarthy style witch hunt.
But I'm also tired of reading posts like the one I'm responding to, that blame the US government for all the Afghans that they believe will die as I am at Jerry Falwell blaiming the homosexuals, abortion rights suporters, and civil libertarians. Its just different sides of the same coin. I believe each of us has to stop thinking the other guy is morally bankrupt and only I have the right answer.
I don't have the answer, but I know we have to do something. I know that in the process of doing something bad things will happen, some deliberately, others not. That very many people will get hurt. There is no easy way to route out terrorists. By their very nature, they are secretive and hide behind a cloak of innocents. We must do our best to see that the innocents are protected, but we know that very many innocent people will pay with their lives for the actions of Osama bin Laden. I also believe, that if we do nothing, many more innocent people will die then if we do something.
These people will not be stopped until their organizations and governmental support is destroyed. They are not children who we punish with a timeout and say don't do it again. They are adults, fully responsible for their actions, that will kill again and again, until they are forcibly stopped.
Everything I've heard about grassroots it that actually a letter received from an individual has more impact then 1 letter with a thousands signatures. One takes more effort then the other. Also even though every letter isn't read by your member of congress, it is read by a staffer, maybe only cursory, but it is read.
So it would be nice if more of us, in the USA, would write out a personal letter to our Congressman and Senators when legislation that is contrary to our beliefs come before them. Not a form letter, but one written by you. Keep it short, to the point and very clear how you want them to vote.
This is an excellent point. Most large companies are buying into the 6Sigma paradigm. My company is in a big way and during our training, one of the major points was the Abilene Paradox. Which is when there is a problem where individuals all see the problem, but the group doesn't. So the problem persists, until at least one individual says, I think there is a problem and it is then discovered that most people agree that there is and change is needed.
I believe most companies recognize the problem, but won't work with their competitors to come to a solution. They all keep saying we need to be compatible with our customers and vendors. Who are all saying the same thing. The problem is they believe that MS is the only solution instead of demanding an open standard that all s/w vendors must follow.
I argue the the customer was robbed, at least in the USA, and I believe in Europe. Look at the cost of long distance and cell phones today in the USA. I can get a cell phone for US$40/month with 500 minutes of day use, unlimited night and weekends. All of which includes no long distance charges within the USA from my home calling area. So I can call accross the USA on weekends for no extra charge. My long distance phone bill curently runs around $25 to $35/month and $25 for the local connections. So for about the same or less cost I can talk to my family accross the US all weekend long.
Back in the '60s I remember my dad saving up some extra cash so he could call his brother in Washington (state) from California over the holidays. But today I don't even worry about my wife calling here family in South America. Costs about $0.23/minute.
So I don't like monopolies, I want competition, and I can only hope that enough companies balk at this to drive them to providing more cash for Linux and productivity s/w. I believe that if they, like IBM, start supporting Linux and providing a portion of their IT budgets to support Open systems, that in the long run, they can significantly reduce their costs. Also, they will be able to modify what is produced to support what they need when they need it.
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Suicide bombers and the like are most likely not professional operatives. That is, they don't have a sweeper set up to come in and clean up the evidence after the fact. Even professionals make mistakes and have a team member to come in and clean up.
Further these guys are out to commit suicide. They are more likely focused on getting on the planes versus covering their tracks.
Wish I could find the reference, but Pakistan seems to have given a tenative yes to the use of their soil for American troops. I believe the biggest condition was that there be no Isreali involvement.
This was a deliberate attack on civilians meant to kill and maim. This was planned and executed with the help of a national government. The burden of proof is lower in war then in a court of law. Osami bin Laden can very easily turn himself over to the World Court at The Hague and be guaranteed that he would not face the death penalty. He chooses to hide outside the normal reach of law abiding people. He chooses to not defend himself in court, then he faces the possibility of being attacked by military force. And in the case of war, you don't get the right of a fair trial. That is what is being presented to the Taliban. They are being given the chance to face this in a public court of law, or in the battle field. They may not like the choice, they can claim it isn't fair. But the United States is not the only country saying this.
Also consider, it has been related to me that in the middle east it is not uncommon for people to change their name or to change the spelling because of some life event. Not unlike nicknames in the US. Good ol Dubya is famous for assigning nicknames.
I was reading the story of the Isreali hit team, sent out to get the planners of the Olympic Massacre of the Isreali athletes. One problem they had was that in the middle east it is quite common to change ones name. Making it difficult for them to figure out who is who at any given time.
So what. Read the account of Syria at: 99reports where the Syrians killed 30,000 to 40,000 of their own civilians. Why aren't you harping on the then Soviets and now Russians for the part they played in supporting a regime that massacred 10's of thousands of its own people. Why is it that these groups still focus on the US and not on other players who have directly killed 10's of thousands of Muslims.
And do you know how many Palestinian terrorists would hide behind the UN force. Get real people. The palestians routinely kill each other because they don't like how they act. The Syrians surrounded a town and shelled it into oblivion, killing every man, woman, and child, because some people from it had tried to start an insurrection. Iran routinely executes people for bad behavior. Iraq gassed its own people. Afghan's have been fighting a dirty civil war, without regard to human rights. Saudia Arabia executes women who don't behave properly. These so called humane Muslims are doing a pretty good job of oppressing their own people.
They just like to blame Isreal for all their problems. Their problem is they've had their collective asses (arses for the you in the UK) handed to them everytime they've attacked Isreal. I believe these Muslim countries hate each other more then Isreal, but to overcome that they make Isreal the target (and through them the USA) of their anger.
Further all of these Muslim countries have either indigenous minority group or version of Islam (shiite versus sunni) in their respective countries who they oppress worse than anything Isreal has/is doing to the Palestinians.
And Isreal is the only country in the middle east to give up territory under its control to a group threaten their destruction. So I just once would like to hear some of you Europeans acknowledge the fact that it isn't all Isreal and the US's fault that these people prefer to kill each other instead of living peaceable together. If anything most of the troubles in the third world are the fault of you damn Europeans and your fucking inbred Royals that wanted world wide conquest and created these artificial borders in the first place.
Who ultimately formed South Africa, the Dutch. And wasn't it a frigging Belgian king who personally owned the largest plot of land in the world, called the Belgian congo. Who exploited the people so bad the government finally took the land away from him. And then the French and English carved up most of the middle east between them. Setup these self-proclaimed Princes, Kings, and what fucking have yous.
I'm not saying the US hasn't been a stupid bully. Yes we've supported some of these inbred assholes that oppressed their people. But Jesus H. Christ, you Europeans started the whole thing, and then just washed your hands of it. Sit there on your pompous asses and keep telling us Americans how we and the Isrealis have fucked up the middle east. Look to your own dirty past.
I read some years ago, before the Russian attack and civil war, that Afghan had one of the worst infant mortality rates. Life in Afghan has always been hard and that therefore every birth was celebrated and every child that reached their first birthday was also a big deal. That in Afghan all children were treated as a precious gift.
Please show me the Atheist creed that states you have a right to kill non-atheists. I can show you Christian creeds that in the past said it was good to kill witches, heretics, etc. I can show you Church documents that said it was good to kill Muslims. I can show you statements by religious and political leaders that say the USofA is a Christian nation and non-christians aren't welcome. I have not heard any politicians or major religious leaders condem these statements.
I have yet to see a major group whose central identification is atheism and has advocated the killing or explosion of Christians from a country.
It seems to me that to be an atheist is to state I don't believe I have some god given right or obligation to do something.
This reminds why I told my wife I don't like organized religion. I told her "I doubt you'll ever hear a statement like: an extremist atheist bin-laden follower today killed himself and 100's of others". She just didn't get it. She doesn't see how the hatred of the so called christians like the Pat Robertson's of the world can take us down the same path as the Taliban and the Bin Laden's.
Remember it was the senior President Bush that said there is no place in America for atheists. I say, yes lets get the people behind the attacks, but don't destroy the very foundation of our democracy in the process.
Even Sharon doesn't target Arafat. Instead they target lower level leaders. Target the middle managers if you will, the day to day people who sit behind desks and don't take risks. Make them pay a price for sending out the young and stupid.
Well lets see, if you blind a combatant, they become a non-combatant. I bet it is easier to blind a person then to kill them with a laser.
I have heard that it is more cost effective to wound an enemy then to kill them. Takes more resources to heal someone then to bury or cremate the body. So enemy must expend resources to help wounded. And if they don't help their wounded, could demoralize the remaining healthy troops.
Also, a bunch of walking wounded reminds the people back home that they got their butt kicked then a the cemetary filling up.
It was slavery plan and simple. Go read the Confederate constitution. Compare it's explicit use of the work slaves and the lack of that word in the U.S. Constitution.
I don't get it. The whole idea of getting away from civilization is to hang your balls out there. Take a chance. No modern emergency medical care. No 911. If life fucks you over, well tough shit.
You want emergency response in 20 minutes or less. Don't leave North America or Europe.
No, no, no. We need a jury to convict so it can be appealled and then overturned because it is unconstitutional.
Or can the trial judge declare the law unconstitutional? Can the defense request the trial judge to make a summary ruling (or preliminary) that the law is unconstitutional?
No, don't implement that god-damn PaperClip. I use Windows NT 4.0 at work with Exceed to connect to an IRIX server. I like for pointer focus to be follow mouse. But if you do that make sure your pointer never gets near that fucking piece of shit PaperClip. The damn thing grabs focus, then loses focus, then grabs focus, ad naseum. Only solution is to get to Task Manager and kill Word. Damn fucking PaperClip.
One of the funnier tests I've seen go wrong was the test launch of an AAMRAM air-to-ground missile from a Hummer. I'm not sure the point of the test, but it was interesting.
What I want to know is how they get that Hummer to fly. That would scare the bejesus out of me. A bunch of flying Hummers firing air-to-air missiles at the ground.
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If the people paid you cash and then you filed a claim with your insurance that it was stolen and a police report. The purchaser of the frig would most likely, with out proof of purchase, be assummed guilty and have the frig repossed.
So just because we don't, in our day to day lives, follow all the laws (written or common) doesn't mean they don't exist.
Of course this isn't as sexy as claiming the US government is out to steal all the commercial secrets in the world. This is just as silly a claim as the terrorist belief that the US is a great worldwide evil. It isn't as if France, Russia, or Germany don't have spooks that regulary collect "industrial espionage" data. To single out the US as if it is the only guilty party is cheap.
But I belive more importantly, many Afghans will die even if the US does nothing. So if the US does nothing, they will die, and people will still blame the US. If the US does something, many Afghans will die and the US will be called evil. If the US attempts to help the Afghans and many die, people will still blame the US, maybe accusing Bush of being so stupid, he tried to help and still killed a bunch of Afghans.
I believe something needs to be done. And yes, people/politicians with personal agendas that have nothing to do with the real problem, will use this horrible event of Sept. 11 to push their agendas. Will use our desire to so something to pervert our liberties. So we, in the US, need to make it clear to our representitives that they take a well thought out path. Balancing our personal liberties against the common good. To make sure that some religious fanatic like Pat Robertson or some closet Hoover facist doesn't get our freedoms curtailed in some McCarthy style witch hunt.
But I'm also tired of reading posts like the one I'm responding to, that blame the US government for all the Afghans that they believe will die as I am at Jerry Falwell blaiming the homosexuals, abortion rights suporters, and civil libertarians. Its just different sides of the same coin. I believe each of us has to stop thinking the other guy is morally bankrupt and only I have the right answer.
I don't have the answer, but I know we have to do something. I know that in the process of doing something bad things will happen, some deliberately, others not. That very many people will get hurt. There is no easy way to route out terrorists. By their very nature, they are secretive and hide behind a cloak of innocents. We must do our best to see that the innocents are protected, but we know that very many innocent people will pay with their lives for the actions of Osama bin Laden. I also believe, that if we do nothing, many more innocent people will die then if we do something.
These people will not be stopped until their organizations and governmental support is destroyed. They are not children who we punish with a timeout and say don't do it again. They are adults, fully responsible for their actions, that will kill again and again, until they are forcibly stopped.
The EFF already provides this. They also provide telephone numbers and postal addresses.
So it would be nice if more of us, in the USA, would write out a personal letter to our Congressman and Senators when legislation that is contrary to our beliefs come before them. Not a form letter, but one written by you. Keep it short, to the point and very clear how you want them to vote.
I believe most companies recognize the problem, but won't work with their competitors to come to a solution. They all keep saying we need to be compatible with our customers and vendors. Who are all saying the same thing. The problem is they believe that MS is the only solution instead of demanding an open standard that all s/w vendors must follow.
Back in the '60s I remember my dad saving up some extra cash so he could call his brother in Washington (state) from California over the holidays. But today I don't even worry about my wife calling here family in South America. Costs about $0.23/minute.
So I don't like monopolies, I want competition, and I can only hope that enough companies balk at this to drive them to providing more cash for Linux and productivity s/w. I believe that if they, like IBM, start supporting Linux and providing a portion of their IT budgets to support Open systems, that in the long run, they can significantly reduce their costs. Also, they will be able to modify what is produced to support what they need when they need it.
Suicide bombers and the like are most likely not professional operatives. That is, they don't have a sweeper set up to come in and clean up the evidence after the fact. Even professionals make mistakes and have a team member to come in and clean up.
Further these guys are out to commit suicide. They are more likely focused on getting on the planes versus covering their tracks.
Yes, which is why El Al air marshels alegdly carry .22 calbre Berettas firing a lower load.
Wish I could find the reference, but Pakistan seems to have given a tenative yes to the use of their soil for American troops. I believe the biggest condition was that there be no Isreali involvement.
This was a deliberate attack on civilians meant to kill and maim. This was planned and executed with the help of a national government. The burden of proof is lower in war then in a court of law. Osami bin Laden can very easily turn himself over to the World Court at The Hague and be guaranteed that he would not face the death penalty. He chooses to hide outside the normal reach of law abiding people. He chooses to not defend himself in court, then he faces the possibility of being attacked by military force. And in the case of war, you don't get the right of a fair trial. That is what is being presented to the Taliban. They are being given the chance to face this in a public court of law, or in the battle field. They may not like the choice, they can claim it isn't fair. But the United States is not the only country saying this.
Also consider, it has been related to me that in the middle east it is not uncommon for people to change their name or to change the spelling because of some life event. Not unlike nicknames in the US. Good ol Dubya is famous for assigning nicknames.
I was reading the story of the Isreali hit team, sent out to get the planners of the Olympic Massacre of the Isreali athletes. One problem they had was that in the middle east it is quite common to change ones name. Making it difficult for them to figure out who is who at any given time.
So what. Read the account of Syria at: 99reports where the Syrians killed 30,000 to 40,000 of their own civilians. Why aren't you harping on the then Soviets and now Russians for the part they played in supporting a regime that massacred 10's of thousands of its own people. Why is it that these groups still focus on the US and not on other players who have directly killed 10's of thousands of Muslims.
They just like to blame Isreal for all their problems. Their problem is they've had their collective asses (arses for the you in the UK) handed to them everytime they've attacked Isreal. I believe these Muslim countries hate each other more then Isreal, but to overcome that they make Isreal the target (and through them the USA) of their anger.
Further all of these Muslim countries have either indigenous minority group or version of Islam (shiite versus sunni) in their respective countries who they oppress worse than anything Isreal has/is doing to the Palestinians.
And Isreal is the only country in the middle east to give up territory under its control to a group threaten their destruction. So I just once would like to hear some of you Europeans acknowledge the fact that it isn't all Isreal and the US's fault that these people prefer to kill each other instead of living peaceable together. If anything most of the troubles in the third world are the fault of you damn Europeans and your fucking inbred Royals that wanted world wide conquest and created these artificial borders in the first place.
Who ultimately formed South Africa, the Dutch. And wasn't it a frigging Belgian king who personally owned the largest plot of land in the world, called the Belgian congo. Who exploited the people so bad the government finally took the land away from him. And then the French and English carved up most of the middle east between them. Setup these self-proclaimed Princes, Kings, and what fucking have yous.
I'm not saying the US hasn't been a stupid bully. Yes we've supported some of these inbred assholes that oppressed their people. But Jesus H. Christ, you Europeans started the whole thing, and then just washed your hands of it. Sit there on your pompous asses and keep telling us Americans how we and the Isrealis have fucked up the middle east. Look to your own dirty past.
I read some years ago, before the Russian attack and civil war, that Afghan had one of the worst infant mortality rates. Life in Afghan has always been hard and that therefore every birth was celebrated and every child that reached their first birthday was also a big deal. That in Afghan all children were treated as a precious gift.
Please show me the Atheist creed that states you have a right to kill non-atheists. I can show you Christian creeds that in the past said it was good to kill witches, heretics, etc. I can show you Church documents that said it was good to kill Muslims. I can show you statements by religious and political leaders that say the USofA is a Christian nation and non-christians aren't welcome. I have not heard any politicians or major religious leaders condem these statements.
I have yet to see a major group whose central identification is atheism and has advocated the killing or explosion of Christians from a country.
It seems to me that to be an atheist is to state I don't believe I have some god given right or obligation to do something.
This reminds why I told my wife I don't like organized religion. I told her "I doubt you'll ever hear a statement like: an extremist atheist bin-laden follower today killed himself and 100's of others". She just didn't get it. She doesn't see how the hatred of the so called christians like the Pat Robertson's of the world can take us down the same path as the Taliban and the Bin Laden's.
Remember it was the senior President Bush that said there is no place in America for atheists. I say, yes lets get the people behind the attacks, but don't destroy the very foundation of our democracy in the process.
Even Sharon doesn't target Arafat. Instead they target lower level leaders. Target the middle managers if you will, the day to day people who sit behind desks and don't take risks. Make them pay a price for sending out the young and stupid.
Well lets see, if you blind a combatant, they become a non-combatant. I bet it is easier to blind a person then to kill them with a laser.
I have heard that it is more cost effective to wound an enemy then to kill them. Takes more resources to heal someone then to bury or cremate the body. So enemy must expend resources to help wounded. And if they don't help their wounded, could demoralize the remaining healthy troops.
Also, a bunch of walking wounded reminds the people back home that they got their butt kicked then a the cemetary filling up.
It was slavery plan and simple. Go read the Confederate constitution. Compare it's explicit use of the work slaves and the lack of that word in the U.S. Constitution.
I don't get it. The whole idea of getting away from civilization is to hang your balls out there. Take a chance. No modern emergency medical care. No 911. If life fucks you over, well tough shit.
You want emergency response in 20 minutes or less. Don't leave North America or Europe.
No, no, no. We need a jury to convict so it can be appealled and then overturned because it is unconstitutional.
Or can the trial judge declare the law unconstitutional? Can the defense request the trial judge to make a summary ruling (or preliminary) that the law is unconstitutional?
No, don't implement that god-damn PaperClip. I use Windows NT 4.0 at work with Exceed to connect to an IRIX server. I like for pointer focus to be follow mouse. But if you do that make sure your pointer never gets near that fucking piece of shit PaperClip. The damn thing grabs focus, then loses focus, then grabs focus, ad naseum. Only solution is to get to Task Manager and kill Word. Damn fucking PaperClip.
What I want to know is how they get that Hummer to fly. That would scare the bejesus out of me. A bunch of flying Hummers firing air-to-air missiles at the ground.
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