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So, while it looks like IBM is stopping sales(2005) and general support(2006), OS/2 will still be shipping and supported by Serenity Systems via eComStation.
"is the average consumer not going to buy a Lexus because of conerns with the OS?"
THEY SHOULD IF THAT OS IS WINDOWS! But Toyota would not be so stupid as to use Windows in the first place. Other auto manufacturers have not been so smart.
When the OS is known to stop/crash on a regular basis, would YOU purchase a car fully controlled by an OS from Microsoft? Didn't BMW try this and then had so many problems they publicly stated that they intended to put iDrive on GNU/Linux? And, it was going into ALL the other models of Beamers iDrive was planned for with one exception. The exception was the one they have a contract with Microsoft for( the 7xx series ) and is likely to have accepted payment FROM Microsoft for using this system. Otherwise, this vehicle would not be the exception. IMO.
SBC and other US communications companies are planning on using Microsoft OS's in end-to-end IPTV installations. You can count on that either failing or people will learn the Contrast-Volume-Power button sequence like they know the Ctl-Alt-Delete one now...
If technology was the driving force behind ALL OS development, then the public would not really care too much about what's under the hood. But since MARKETING is the driving force behind Microsoft and its OS design, people will always see an indicator that the Microsoft OS is there and people should see this as something to stay away from. I was thinking the indicators would be system crashes but there is a side effect of Microsoft being a Marketing company. They plaster their OS logo on everything. Come to think of it, I didn't see a GNU/Linux sticker on our Tivo, HomePod, Zaurus, etc.... But on every Microsoft Windows based device I've seen, there is either a Microsoft Windows sticker on it and/or it ends up showing the Microsoft name over and over on the boot screens.
So, chances are, if you DON'T see any indication of what OS is under the hood, it's likely to be safe to operate IMO, Lexus included. BTW, the Lexus Hybrid is drive-by-wire and brake-by-wire like the Prius hybrids...
BTW, our Prius has a hand full of mission critical computer systems onboard and I've not seen a single indication of the OS used. Really, the only ones I've seen advertising the OS have been ones I would not trust my life with. But what scares the hell out of me is when I see that companies like the CTX Railway company, the LAX airport, etc, use Windows in mission critical systems AND still do after having had life threatening issues occur because of this...
Never owned a WinCE device but have and use a Zaurus. I classify that as a pocketPC( not PocketPC(tm) ) and still find the ease-of-use provided by my Palm the best for PIM functionality. There's enough there to enable a good amount of usefull utilities/addons too.
IMO, the GUI's used in the pocketPC world just add too many clicks/taps to the system. Not to mention taking up valuable screen space. For instance, WTF is with having a titlebar? I still use the Zaurus for engineering work( mobile device programmer, bluetooth control application, on-the-road WWW and email via bluetooth/T69i, business apps, etc ) but the Palm is what I use( wife too ) for addressbook, scheduling, shopping lists, etc( PIM stuff ).
I wouldn't call the Palm "simple", I'd call it easy and convenient to use. I wouldn't touch a WinCE based device even if after 8 years and over $8 billion dollars, Microsoft has made it alittle better than before. Their desire to protect their monopoly with DRM and IP licensing of anything they can just restricts the device too much. Putting the PalmOS and/or GNU/Linux over WinCE can be the only option to make the device "usable". IMHO.
What people don't understand is that what Microsoft believes "innovation" means is "the act of bringing someone elses technology to Microsoft Windows". Microsoft therefore gets it on millions of desktops. Because their definition of the word, "innovation", is different from what most others believe and understand, people seem to think "innovation" doesn't exist in open source. Because they don't see it. Marketing is about getting people/customers to believe you and your "ideas".
As you mention, innovation is there in OSS and has been for over a decade. But it's hidden in the nooks and crannies. Heck, how many even know what Zope is.:-/
that's what I thought. IIRC, Apple hired Microsoft to port their DOS based word proc to their new GUI based computer. It was then that Microsoft learned the internals of the Mac OS( APIs etc ) and started on Microsoft Windows. Just like they did to Go Inc and their PenPoint OS. Microsoft "invented" Pen for Windows...
Another thing to remember is that Microsoft defines what they want things like "innovation", "open source", "open standard", etc to mean. They will use those terms as they apply to THEIR use of the terms.
Marketing 101: If you say it enough times, it will become true. Heck, even George W Bush knows this. How many times has he said the Iraq war is "the war on terror" and is related to the 9/11/01 attacks.
In 95 they made the move to 32-bit (albeit badly) and actually tried to push tech forward.
WHAT? UNIX ran 32-bit on the 386 in the 1980's and OS/2 v2.0( 32-bit except drivers ) did incredible things in 1991. Saying Microsoft "push tech forward" shows you don't know the industry. Sorry but Microsoft is a marketing company which "pushes" stolen or otherwise "acquired" ideas of others in their operating system. They do this by leveraging their monopoly in desktop operating systems. They do not and have never pushed tech forward and pretty much do the opposite.
good point. I think many have walked away with the idea that Micrsoft does not understand OSS since they've had so many different "voices" on/against it. It is my belief that they know what OSS is and how it works far better than most others because that is what marketing people must do. Especially Microsoft since they don't compete on making a better product but compete by being anti-competition. They must know the market in order to attack the leader before they get too established. As we saw, even 80% marketshare isn't enough( Netscape ) when the gorilla is REALLY threatened.
the only reason why I periodically read storys of Gates and Balmers snake-oil selling is to get an idea of where they think they have to go next to fight off OSS. IMO, the patent courts are where they'll put the stake in the ground. Unless there is a change in leadership at MSFT. IMO.
I think most will agree that if anybody intends to seek payment for a service or product, they must market the said service or product. In a open and COMPETITIVE market, being able to say/show that you have the BEST product or service is how the marketing people sell the product/service. Once established, they can "sell" the "feel good" concept of making the right choice because of the BEST product/service approach worked. This is how the OSS market works. MySQL, JBoss, etc support vendors must show their prospective customers why the product is the best choice and why they are the ones who should be hired to help implement or support the customer.
Because Microsoft grew from being handed the PC monopoly and grew not into a competitor, but into an anti-competitor, what Microsoft markets has never been designed to be the BEST on the market. That is what differentiates Microsoft from pretty much all other companies.
Think snake oil salesmen. Great marketing, not much product.
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Between Balmer and Gates, I don't know which one bores me more. Gates is getting pretty hilarious these days though. I crack up every time he says that speech recognition is about to take off and when he says anything about the tablet PCs...
I guess they've gotta keep trying to find SOMETHING that can produce money outside of their desktop OS monopoly. But 15 years of this stuff is getting pretty old. IMO.
Another thing that cracks me up is when Microsoft talks about how WindowsCE costs less than GNU/Linux on embedded devices. This, from the company that consistantly loses ~$1 Billion annually on that productline. Talk about Cost of Ownership.;-)
Do you see the IBM exec bent over onstage with Bill or Steve? Will you see IBM turn around its current plans for using GNU/Linux and opensource? I don't think so.
As a matter of fact, it's likely that you'll see IBM take that $775 million and dump it into it's GNU/Linux and open source initiatives.
it's part of their business plan. Think about it, they make over $1 billion PROFIT per quarter on the Windows monopoly. Paying out less than that in settlements every few years is far easier then actually competing fairly in the market since they don't even know how to do THAT...
If IBM made a statement such that they were going to put the entire $775 million into GNU/Linux marketing, then THAT would cause some restlessness at Microsoft. Pulling another few hundred million out of the drawer otherwise is SOP for MSFT and not a big deal. IMO.
forget about the laptop part...I don't know where I got the bit about the laptop but rereading shows nothing about that. The quote is still valid though. It was a "rogue computer program"..... I guess they don't know that everyone else calls these Spyware programs.
"The security breach was first reported Friday, when MasterCard International said a lapse at CardSystems had allowed the installation of a rogue computer program that could extract data from the system, potentially compromising 40 million accounts of various credit cards."
They put this information on a laptop running Windows, connected to the internet, and it got Spyware... wow, what a surprise...
Businesses are forced into constantly mixing their base operating system because Microsoft keeps deciding application X, Y, or Z is part of the OS and releases a new version of the OS. Each version pushes another one off the support list. Personally, I think it should be the applications that should be driving this and not the OS but regardless, THIS is a key "feature" of GNU/Linux and OSS that businesses need to know.
Businesses don't own the operating system their business software runs on. They rent it. Because of this, they are periodically forced to deal with mixed OS environments and and OS upgrades when the lastest and greatest version of their business apps don't require such upgrades. They can't even hire someone to support them when because Microsoft owns the source code.
With GNU/Linux and OSS, they can move when they are ready and when their business apps require them to upgrade the OS. Many times, it's not even going to require a full OS upgrade either. I just loved how MS refused to add USB support to Win95 so people upgraded to Win98 mostly for the USB support. I think the same think went for NT too.
When Microsoft pulls the rug out from under it's customers, we should promote how this can't happen on the OSS side. Sure, 10 years later it might be difficult to find a large number of people to support older kernels/drivers/apps but there will be consultants to take up the task. You'll have to be larger than IBM, Sony, and GM to get Microsoft to help you 10 years later.
Go down to your local OfficeDepot and pretend you are going to purchase a build-to-order PC or laptop. They only come with Windows so you have to pay for it so it must be selected. When you generate the partlist and pricing, you'll see "Microsoft Windows XP Home" with $1 in the price field.
Interesting that Microsoft Works/Money is listed as $10. That too is not optional.
Next thing you know, Microsofts operating systems will be FREE. Don't hold your breath. This is more smoke and mirrors and probably aimed at those who want to take advantage of the refunds for unused software.
I thought this was a joke but it seems to be real.
Microsoft is trying to attack GNU/Linux by making a better CLI shell? Geesh, they thought they did that a few years ago when they said their MKS kit had a shell compatible with the Korn shell, but when the Microsoft exec was questioned about that, he blew the guy asking the question off. That guy was David Korn...
To tell you the truth, I've not seen/heard ANYTHING coming from Microsoft people/press that wasn't marketing-speak. It's all smoke and mirrors when everyone else is showing product innovations. I heard the Microsoft Research presentation at OReilly's E-Tech conference was a real sleeper.
So, as it goes..."pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".... IMO
Watch most users and they will not have bothered to learn hardly any of the keyboard shortcuts to doing things. They seem to like the mouse so much that I don't think this kind of thing will have any impact on how most people use their computer.
The power users will be down with this but they never really make the news.;-)
If you read his article of April 2003, he pretty much only gets the move right and nothing else. Granted, with Steve Jobs keynoting at an Intel conference and then Intel executives getting front row seats at Steves MacWorld Expo keynote, it speaks volumes to what was going on behind the scenes. Everything else Dvorak said was wrong. The timeframe was wrong, so was that bit about putting both PPC and x86 chips in the box for migration, and also the migration starting at the high end.
If Dvorak even thought for a few minutes on this, he would have realized that low end systems won't rely on as many apps which would have difficulties with the big/small endian differences.
It was a good guess given the Apple/Intel buddy buddy'ing which was going on. Other than that, John Dvorak who?;-)
Before you give them too much credit, realize that this is actually the SECOND time they've got involved with GNU/Linux. The first time, resulted in Ray Noorda getting kicked out of Novell and his starting of a company called Caldera. The same Caldera who went and purchased SCO and then changed their name to The SCO Group.
I do agree that Novell seems to be back ontrack with how to attack Microsoft and improve customer satisfaction. But the way they finally got here would make a good coffee table book.
The poster seems a bit uptight. It said that it wasn't REQUIRED that varibles get declared before they are used and not that you couldn't declare them before use. So lighten up Francis.;-) For beginners, this sure makes it easier to figure out how to get through the task of writing the first few programs. I wouldn't write a full blown application this way, but simple single file tools/apps would be no big deal.
it's only "unnecessary" if you are a multi VM vendor running a single Dev Environment. Microsoft and Mainsoft are doing this so that multi VM vendors/customers running different Dev Environments switch to the Microsoft IDE for their only Dev Environment. They'll kill off this multi VM capability later but right now, they are not telling you this.
It's how they turned a bunch of UNIX software vendors into Windows software vendors back in the NT v3.5x days.
To see how far they'll go, look at the Microsoft purchase of Softimage. After the sale, they were forced to produce a Windows version and then Microsoft pounded on them to drop the UNIX version. Too many customers stuck with UNIX and the UNIX port remained and is now also a GNU/Linux version.
This all reminds me of how Microsoft got many of the UNIX CAD and EDA tools vendors to drop native UNIX coding for Win32 coding. They provided Mainsoft, Bristol, and others with a cheap license to the Win32 source code, which allowed them to sell tools which compiled Win32 apps to run on UNIX. The apps vendors liked this because one codebase supported both Windows AND UNIX. But then, Microsoft quadrupled the license fee for the Win32 source and only one vendor could afford to pay that new fee. The same vendor Microsoft hired to port MS Internet Explorer to UNIX. They did this so that they could afford to pay that huge licensing fee and provide proof in court that the increased fee was not excessive and preditory. All of a sudden, the CAD and EDA software that used to run on both Windows and UNIX, only ran on Windows. And porting back to UNIX would have been almost impossible because of the nice job Microsoft does at not supporting standards or best software practices for design.
Mainsoft is that one company which Microsoft funded while it killed off the others. Mainsoft is the one announcing a tool that'll let you write software in Microsofts API(.Net this time ) and run it on other systems. Gee, where do you think this will end up going?
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So, while it looks like IBM is stopping sales(2005) and general support(2006), OS/2 will still be shipping and supported by Serenity Systems via eComStation.
OS/2 is dead, long live OS/2.
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"is the average consumer not going to buy a Lexus because of conerns with the OS?"
THEY SHOULD IF THAT OS IS WINDOWS! But Toyota would not be so stupid as to use Windows in the first place. Other auto manufacturers have not been so smart.
When the OS is known to stop/crash on a regular basis, would YOU purchase a car fully controlled by an OS from Microsoft? Didn't BMW try this and then had so many problems they publicly stated that they intended to put iDrive on GNU/Linux? And, it was going into ALL the other models of Beamers iDrive was planned for with one exception. The exception was the one they have a contract with Microsoft for( the 7xx series ) and is likely to have accepted payment FROM Microsoft for using this system. Otherwise, this vehicle would not be the exception. IMO.
SBC and other US communications companies are planning on using Microsoft OS's in end-to-end IPTV installations. You can count on that either failing or people will learn the Contrast-Volume-Power button sequence like they know the Ctl-Alt-Delete one now...
If technology was the driving force behind ALL OS development, then the public would not really care too much about what's under the hood. But since MARKETING is the driving force behind Microsoft and its OS design, people will always see an indicator that the Microsoft OS is there and people should see this as something to stay away from. I was thinking the indicators would be system crashes but there is a side effect of Microsoft being a Marketing company. They plaster their OS logo on everything. Come to think of it, I didn't see a GNU/Linux sticker on our Tivo, HomePod, Zaurus, etc.... But on every Microsoft Windows based device I've seen, there is either a Microsoft Windows sticker on it and/or it ends up showing the Microsoft name over and over on the boot screens.
So, chances are, if you DON'T see any indication of what OS is under the hood, it's likely to be safe to operate IMO, Lexus included. BTW, the Lexus Hybrid is drive-by-wire and brake-by-wire like the Prius hybrids...
BTW, our Prius has a hand full of mission critical computer systems onboard and I've not seen a single indication of the OS used. Really, the only ones I've seen advertising the OS have been ones I would not trust my life with. But what scares the hell out of me is when I see that companies like the CTX Railway company, the LAX airport, etc, use Windows in mission critical systems AND still do after having had life threatening issues occur because of this...
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Never owned a WinCE device but have and use a Zaurus. I classify that as a pocketPC( not PocketPC(tm) ) and still find the ease-of-use provided by my Palm the best for PIM functionality. There's enough there to enable a good amount of usefull utilities/addons too.
IMO, the GUI's used in the pocketPC world just add too many clicks/taps to the system. Not to mention taking up valuable screen space. For instance, WTF is with having a titlebar? I still use the Zaurus for engineering work( mobile device programmer, bluetooth control application, on-the-road WWW and email via bluetooth/T69i, business apps, etc ) but the Palm is what I use( wife too ) for addressbook, scheduling, shopping lists, etc( PIM stuff ).
I wouldn't call the Palm "simple", I'd call it easy and convenient to use. I wouldn't touch a WinCE based device even if after 8 years and over $8 billion dollars, Microsoft has made it alittle better than before. Their desire to protect their monopoly with DRM and IP licensing of anything they can just restricts the device too much. Putting the PalmOS and/or GNU/Linux over WinCE can be the only option to make the device "usable". IMHO.
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What people don't understand is that what Microsoft believes "innovation" means is "the act of bringing someone elses technology to Microsoft Windows". Microsoft therefore gets it on millions of desktops. Because their definition of the word, "innovation", is different from what most others believe and understand, people seem to think "innovation" doesn't exist in open source. Because they don't see it. Marketing is about getting people/customers to believe you and your "ideas".
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As you mention, innovation is there in OSS and has been for over a decade. But it's hidden in the nooks and crannies. Heck, how many even know what Zope is.
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that's what I thought. IIRC, Apple hired Microsoft to port their DOS based word proc to their new GUI based computer. It was then that Microsoft learned the internals of the Mac OS( APIs etc ) and started on Microsoft Windows. Just like they did to Go Inc and their PenPoint OS. Microsoft "invented" Pen for Windows...
Another thing to remember is that Microsoft defines what they want things like "innovation", "open source", "open standard", etc to mean. They will use those terms as they apply to THEIR use of the terms.
Marketing 101: If you say it enough times, it will become true.
Heck, even George W Bush knows this. How many times has he said the Iraq war is "the war on terror" and is related to the 9/11/01 attacks.
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WHAT? UNIX ran 32-bit on the 386 in the 1980's and OS/2 v2.0( 32-bit except drivers ) did incredible things in 1991. Saying Microsoft "push tech forward" shows you don't know the industry. Sorry but Microsoft is a marketing company which "pushes" stolen or otherwise "acquired" ideas of others in their operating system. They do this by leveraging their monopoly in desktop operating systems. They do not and have never pushed tech forward and pretty much do the opposite.
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good point. I think many have walked away with the idea that Micrsoft does not understand OSS since they've had so many different "voices" on/against it. It is my belief that they know what OSS is and how it works far better than most others because that is what marketing people must do. Especially Microsoft since they don't compete on making a better product but compete by being anti-competition. They must know the market in order to attack the leader before they get too established. As we saw, even 80% marketshare isn't enough( Netscape ) when the gorilla is REALLY threatened.
the only reason why I periodically read storys of Gates and Balmers snake-oil selling is to get an idea of where they think they have to go next to fight off OSS. IMO, the patent courts are where they'll put the stake in the ground. Unless there is a change in leadership at MSFT. IMO.
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I think most will agree that if anybody intends to seek payment for a service or product, they must market the said service or product. In a open and COMPETITIVE market, being able to say/show that you have the BEST product or service is how the marketing people sell the product/service. Once established, they can "sell" the "feel good" concept of making the right choice because of the BEST product/service approach worked. This is how the OSS market works. MySQL, JBoss, etc support vendors must show their prospective customers why the product is the best choice and why they are the ones who should be hired to help implement or support the customer.
Because Microsoft grew from being handed the PC monopoly and grew not into a competitor, but into an anti-competitor, what Microsoft markets has never been designed to be the BEST on the market. That is what differentiates Microsoft from pretty much all other companies.
Think snake oil salesmen. Great marketing, not much product.
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Between Balmer and Gates, I don't know which one bores me more. Gates is getting pretty hilarious these days though. I crack up every time he says that speech recognition is about to take off and when he says anything about the tablet PCs...
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I guess they've gotta keep trying to find SOMETHING that can produce money outside of their desktop OS monopoly. But 15 years of this stuff is getting pretty old. IMO.
Another thing that cracks me up is when Microsoft talks about how WindowsCE costs less than GNU/Linux on embedded devices. This, from the company that consistantly loses ~$1 Billion annually on that productline. Talk about Cost of Ownership.
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Do you see the IBM exec bent over onstage with Bill or Steve? Will you see IBM turn around its current plans for using GNU/Linux and opensource? I don't think so.
As a matter of fact, it's likely that you'll see IBM take that $775 million and dump it into it's GNU/Linux and open source initiatives.
There is a difference between IBM and SUN.
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it's part of their business plan. Think about it, they make over $1 billion PROFIT per quarter on the Windows monopoly. Paying out less than that in settlements every few years is far easier then actually competing fairly in the market since they don't even know how to do THAT...
If IBM made a statement such that they were going to put the entire $775 million into GNU/Linux marketing, then THAT would cause some restlessness at Microsoft. Pulling another few hundred million out of the drawer otherwise is SOP for MSFT and not a big deal. IMO.
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forget about the laptop part...I don't know where I got the bit about the laptop but rereading shows nothing about that. The quote is still valid though. It was a "rogue computer program"..... I guess they don't know that everyone else calls these Spyware programs.
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From this story:e pt%2C+company+admits/2100-1029_3-5753557.html?tag= nefd.top
http://news.com.com/Lost+credit+data+improperly+k
"The security breach was first reported Friday, when MasterCard International said a lapse at CardSystems had allowed the installation of a rogue computer program that could extract data from the system, potentially compromising 40 million accounts of various credit cards."
They put this information on a laptop running Windows, connected to the internet, and it got Spyware... wow, what a surprise...
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Businesses are forced into constantly mixing their base operating system because Microsoft keeps deciding application X, Y, or Z is part of the OS and releases a new version of the OS. Each version pushes another one off the support list. Personally, I think it should be the applications that should be driving this and not the OS but regardless, THIS is a key "feature" of GNU/Linux and OSS that businesses need to know.
Businesses don't own the operating system their business software runs on. They rent it. Because of this, they are periodically forced to deal with mixed OS environments and and OS upgrades when the lastest and greatest version of their business apps don't require such upgrades. They can't even hire someone to support them when because Microsoft owns the source code.
With GNU/Linux and OSS, they can move when they are ready and when their business apps require them to upgrade the OS. Many times, it's not even going to require a full OS upgrade either. I just loved how MS refused to add USB support to Win95 so people upgraded to Win98 mostly for the USB support. I think the same think went for NT too.
When Microsoft pulls the rug out from under it's customers, we should promote how this can't happen on the OSS side. Sure, 10 years later it might be difficult to find a large number of people to support older kernels/drivers/apps but there will be consultants to take up the task. You'll have to be larger than IBM, Sony, and GM to get Microsoft to help you 10 years later.
IMO.
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Go down to your local OfficeDepot and pretend you are going to purchase a build-to-order PC or laptop. They only come with Windows so you have to pay for it so it must be selected. When you generate the partlist and pricing, you'll see "Microsoft Windows XP Home" with $1 in the price field.
Interesting that Microsoft Works/Money is listed as $10. That too is not optional.
Next thing you know, Microsofts operating systems will be FREE. Don't hold your breath. This is more smoke and mirrors and probably aimed at those who want to take advantage of the refunds for unused software.
Shouldn't this be considered dumping?
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I thought this was a joke but it seems to be real.
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Microsoft is trying to attack GNU/Linux by making a better CLI shell? Geesh, they thought they did that a few years ago when they said their MKS kit had a shell compatible with the Korn shell, but when the Microsoft exec was questioned about that, he blew the guy asking the question off. That guy was David Korn...
To tell you the truth, I've not seen/heard ANYTHING coming from Microsoft people/press that wasn't marketing-speak. It's all smoke and mirrors when everyone else is showing product innovations. I heard the Microsoft Research presentation at OReilly's E-Tech conference was a real sleeper.
So, as it goes..."pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".... IMO
link to comment on the Korn incident:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.os.os2.m
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Watch most users and they will not have bothered to learn hardly any of the keyboard shortcuts to doing things. They seem to like the mouse so much that I don't think this kind of thing will have any impact on how most people use their computer.
;-)
The power users will be down with this but they never really make the news.
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If you read his article of April 2003, he pretty much only gets the move right and nothing else. Granted, with Steve Jobs keynoting at an Intel conference and then Intel executives getting front row seats at Steves MacWorld Expo keynote, it speaks volumes to what was going on behind the scenes. Everything else Dvorak said was wrong. The timeframe was wrong, so was that bit about putting both PPC and x86 chips in the box for migration, and also the migration starting at the high end.
;-)
If Dvorak even thought for a few minutes on this, he would have realized that low end systems won't rely on as many apps which would have difficulties with the big/small endian differences.
It was a good guess given the Apple/Intel buddy buddy'ing which was going on. Other than that, John Dvorak who?
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Before you give them too much credit, realize that this is actually the SECOND time they've got involved with GNU/Linux. The first time, resulted in Ray Noorda getting kicked out of Novell and his starting of a company called Caldera. The same Caldera who went and purchased SCO and then changed their name to The SCO Group.
I do agree that Novell seems to be back ontrack with how to attack Microsoft and improve customer satisfaction. But the way they finally got here would make a good coffee table book.
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apt-get install regina3 regina3-dev
./configure --with-rexx=regina --with-rexxincdir=/usr/include/regina
./the
tar -xzf THE-3.2B1.tar.gz
cd THE-3.2
make the
works as a curses application but I have no clue as to how to use it. But, it compiles pretty easy and seems to run.
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The poster seems a bit uptight. It said that it wasn't REQUIRED that varibles get declared before they are used and not that you couldn't declare them before use. So lighten up Francis. ;-) For beginners, this sure makes it easier to figure out how to get through the task of writing the first few programs. I wouldn't write a full blown application this way, but simple single file tools/apps would be no big deal.
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agreed. LOL on this one.
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it's only "unnecessary" if you are a multi VM vendor running a single Dev Environment. Microsoft and Mainsoft are doing this so that multi VM vendors/customers running different Dev Environments switch to the Microsoft IDE for their only Dev Environment. They'll kill off this multi VM capability later but right now, they are not telling you this.
It's how they turned a bunch of UNIX software vendors into Windows software vendors back in the NT v3.5x days.
To see how far they'll go, look at the Microsoft purchase of Softimage. After the sale, they were forced to produce a Windows version and then Microsoft pounded on them to drop the UNIX version. Too many customers stuck with UNIX and the UNIX port remained and is now also a GNU/Linux version.
It's all part of the Microsoft game....
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This all reminds me of how Microsoft got many of the UNIX CAD and EDA tools vendors to drop native UNIX coding for Win32 coding. They provided Mainsoft, Bristol, and others with a cheap license to the Win32 source code, which allowed them to sell tools which compiled Win32 apps to run on UNIX. The apps vendors liked this because one codebase supported both Windows AND UNIX. But then, Microsoft quadrupled the license fee for the Win32 source and only one vendor could afford to pay that new fee. The same vendor Microsoft hired to port MS Internet Explorer to UNIX. They did this so that they could afford to pay that huge licensing fee and provide proof in court that the increased fee was not excessive and preditory. All of a sudden, the CAD and EDA software that used to run on both Windows and UNIX, only ran on Windows. And porting back to UNIX would have been almost impossible because of the nice job Microsoft does at not supporting standards or best software practices for design.
.Net this time ) and run it on other systems. Gee, where do you think this will end up going?
Mainsoft is that one company which Microsoft funded while it killed off the others. Mainsoft is the one announcing a tool that'll let you write software in Microsofts API(
IMO. History IS the best teacher.
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good title for a spoof on that Mel Gibson film.
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