Exactly. As for the batteries,for 40 bucks he could have bought the Charge-N-Run kit so the batteries were kept charged on the cradle( http://www.charge-n-run.com ).
Some people find change difficult and others just like finding new ways to do things. IOW, PDAs work for some and not for others. Wouldn't be without mine.
It was their own since L&H is the best known name for speech recognition( and before ENRON, for cooking the books;).
I'm hoping to do some work with these guys so I will eventually find out more. This thread will be history by then so www.zauruszone.com is where you would look for new things Z related. IMHO.
I met some people at COMDEX who have VR(voice recg) running the the Sharp Zaurus. I've run IBM's VR software and it was pretty good 6 years ago. On the Zaurus, I would imagine that at 256MB CF card could hold a good sized dictionary so dictation appears to be possible. Especially since this guy was doing it on a 16MHz 386 years ago.
The ability of the Zaurus to take a MIC input makes a big difference since a good MIC is important due to noise cancelling features they have. All the PDA's with no external MIC option are pretty much useless for VR/Dictation.
Why not embed Linux and the XFree86 XServer on this wireless PC( I mean innovative display system ) and have xdm running on the beige box under the desk?
Wow, a remote display! How revolutionary!
If you want a taste of this then get a Sharp Zaurus, a WiFi card and install the XServer on it. You don't have the realestate of a 1028x768 display but the idea is the same.
To be able to provide what the customer whens and when they want it. That's what an open platform allows OEM's like HP. Instead, they have to wait for Microsoft to decide what's right/wrong for customers.
These PDA's( Zaurus and other pocket PC's ) are for power users and corporations. The average consumer is confused by PC's and anything that actually does 2 or more things at once. They buy PalmOS devices. They're simpler.
I just thought it was strange that HP has done little to promote their own "baby". BTW, the fact that the Zaurus runs Linux isn't as important as what you get because of it. Full access to the platform and it works. Not to mention that it even has an easy to use interface. IMHO.
I know a guy who worked for a company which bought 5 iPaqs so they would be sure to have one working for the demo's. It was the OS and not the hardware causing the problems. Maybe WinCE is like it's big brother. If you don't strain it at all it works ok.
The thing I find interesting is that HP, and others who ship a WinCE based device, don't ship this with the OpenZaurus ROM installed or even on a CD for user installation. Especailly HP since they really started this with www.handhelds.org and the iPaq.
It leads me to believe they have some contractual agreement with Microsoft which prevents this just like the PC OEMs. I know Microsoft payed AT&T $5billion to put WinCE on 5million settop boxes but is HP, Dell, etc being paid to put WinCE on their PDA's? Microsoft could be paying for 100% of the support costs too and that would be attractive enough for anyone selling a WinCE product....
I hope to see the mainstream press pick up this story/product release. It was also good to see IBM and CDL using Linux/Qtopia on that security minded PDA. Many I've shown the Zaurus to said they were going to purchase one when they were looking at WinCE devices. Sharp needs to market this more. IMHO.
People, this is a TROLL. The Coward has no specifics and generalizes on every point. He/she has never used the new device and may or may not have used the 5500 or 5000 since he/she just generally hates the product.
If it sounds like a troll, smells like a troll, reads like a troll.......
The PDA market is not much different from the PC market. You should determine your immediate needs and your short term (2 years) needs before purchasing a PDA. Of course, political and sociological implications should be factored in also.
The PalmOS devices are very easy to use as PIM functions go. Sony has extended the PalmOS to handle multimedia and memory expansion but they want to promote their memory stick format over the others. Palm really never provided anything but PalmOS API support so you have one application base to work with and it's a large one. Now, Microsofts "partners" have a more feature rich hardware platform than the Palm vendors but the OS is bloated, proprietary, fragile, etc with no where near the application base as Palm. Sharp, takes the feature rich hardware of a pocket PC and puts and open source OS on it( Linux ), a keyboard, and tons of expansion slots/interfaces. The development platform is Linux and you can go with the free Qtopia SDK or the closed-source one if you want a native Qt app. For Java, use any java compiler. On the Zaurus, you can pretty much pick your development env( minus PalmOS and WinCE of course ).
There are some things I'd like to see Qtopia do that the PalmOS apps do better but the underlying PIM functionality is there. The apps are still pouring in and if you want, you can use Qt, Java, or others to program in and make your own apps.
If all you need is a PIM then you might even look at the Franklin products. I think you can get an addressbook for under $40. If you NEED color, the price is going to be pretty close between PalmOS, Sharp, and the WinCE machines. The keyboard is what really limits choice from what I've seen and when I've shown the Z to people ready to purchase a PDA, they've all ended up ready to buy a Zaurus.
Wow, that was long winded.... Figure out what's available. Figure out what you need. Figure out your budget is. Figure out what you might need in 2 years and the go back out and see what's available. Then buy a Zaurus.;)
So did Intel put a transistor or two into the Xscale and run it at 2x clock so they can put a 400MHz label on the part?
I found it very interesting when they came out with the P4. They couldn't product much over 750MHz in the P3 and then all of a sudden they have 1.5GHz chips that benched around as fast as the 750MHz P3's. Like Microsoft has used moving API's to keep ahead of every one else, Intel seem to be using moving instruction sets to keep Intel-inside ahead of AMD-inside...
I was hoping that the Z on XScale would be different than WinCE on XScale. Never heard it was a hardware problem.
Thanks, it sounds like he's looking at a data-centric concept but adds the interesting concept of storage as you mentioned. By time and date... He must have come up with that one while reading his email and trying to find old messages.;)
Personally, I don't believe we think/organize things that way. But hey, Microsoft has most of us doing really stupid things on our computers already so I'm sure they could force another un-intuitive way of doing stuff.
I'm not saying this is the wrong approach, just that we don't think that way now and what seems easier to me is to meld the virtual world with the phyical world. I'm not taking about MS-Bob either.;)
I had heard that one before but it was WordPerfect and IBM, along with Apple, supporting this. Then Novell came in. Funny how the "large" application companies didn't worry about Microsoft. Microsoft was the one who ate their lunch with moving API's, slow releases of API specs, and bundling.
Anyway, there's nobody left today to worry about but Microsoft. There are far more smaller application developers waiting for the chance to compete and the Internet is the perfect distribution method for small/lightweight apps. Do you think OpenDoc or the concept has a chance against Microsoft today? I don't. No "killer" app does IMO.
Just as before, there's still Microsoft and the fact that OEM's would not be allowed to pre-install such an architecture. Only Apples OS and IBM's OS/2 ever shipped with OpenDoc. It's that period which Microsoft was found guilty of illegal practices to protect it's operating system monopoly.
For whatever reason OpenDoc didn't make, it wasn't because the idea is invalid. The idea is valid but there's no way to get it to market with that big Ogre blocking the way.
LoB BTW, "Branding" is something you use when you no longer have a good product but try to survive on past accomplishments. It's psycho-babble that keeps companies in business when they probably shouldn't. There could have been a composite SPLASH window the showed the "Branding" icons of the Parts used in a document. The distribution was and still is the only real problem and Microsoft holds that very close. Close enough to go to court and that won't change til they're gone.
You hit the nail on the head, it's Microsofts protecting it's monopoly that's preventing any new model from rising. To protect the Windows OS monopoly and therefore protect their application( MS Office ) monopoly, the OS must be relevant.
Just like C++ and object oriented frameworks threatened Microsoft/MS Windows in the early 1990's by abstracting the OS API's, OpenDoc threatened them in the mid 1990's by abstracting the OS AND greatly reduced the barrier to entry into the application space. The full force of the FUD machine and purchasing power put the cork on those two ideas. Granted, OOP made a decent comeback with Java and Troltech is making a living at a C++ framework but we still require huge applications with redundant features to read/write documents.
I've seen and used OpenDoc and the concept of data-centric computing is smart and far easier to use. The problem persists as to what to do about Microsoft's continued slowing of progress?
BTW, I've helped a few small business's in the early 1990's in streamlining how they used computers( PC's ) and it was the OO desktop that saved the day. Where OS/2 could be installed, it was or else it was HP's NewWave OO desktop manager. In both cases, I implemented data-centric templates of folders and data objects/icons so the use concentrated on the DATA for the task and not what application needed to be started and where that file needed to be saved to, etc. The Data-Centric method worked and worked well.
The browser is kinda like the OpenDoc container but without the Bento filesystem to hold all the different apps(Parts) data. The Inet becomes the replacement for the Bento filesystem. I don't think plug-ins can use other plug-ins in a standard way so that for instance, one spell-checker plug-in could be used in the text/html editor AND email plug-ins...
It's been something like 8 years since OpenDoc's component based applications it the net and I think it is the concept this guy speaks of( can't get to the article ). The idea was that you had a file format which allowed application data to be stored together with many applications all in one file. The applications were small, specific apps which were more like plug-ins for a "container" application.
The whole idea behind OpenDoc was that your data was what was important and YOU, the user, could mix and match small lightweight applications to create your own "super" document. The application or "Parts" developers would have to provide a free viewer for their data format so that you could email your "super" document to someone else and they could read it's contents by downloading the viewers.
The concept of document-centric, also called data-centric computing isn't new it's just the one very large monopolist must protect their operating system and make sure the "application" remains relevant. Document-centric computing abstracts the applications, greatly reduces the application size since they are now made of many smaller plug-ins, and most importantly, it reduces the barrier to entry into the market. Two or three coders could whip up a pretty good spell-checker Part or html editor Part as opposed to a full blown application containing the spell-checker, graphics editor, text editor, etc, etc.
This kind of stuff won't show up until Microsoft is gone or irrelevant. IMHO.
Since when does Office output PDF files by default? Office only will output PDF files if you spend several hundred dollars on Acrobat. When you print to PDF, you either click a little icon or click File->print PDF. There is absolutely no way MS could stop or influence that. Unless when people try to print PDF files MS hijacks the Adobe buttons and makes them print Xdocs instead. That would have them in a losing court battle with Abode instantly as what MS would have done is break Acrobat on purpose. Adobe actually has the money to defend itself.
Somebody doesn't know history... Microsoft could hijack the Adobe print functions on all PC shipped and all systems installing MS Office, OS patches, etc. It would take well over a year, if not two, to get court time on this and by then Adobe would lose tons of marketshare. They would be financially weakened to the point that even though it looks like they would win the case, they'd have to settle out of court just to get SOMETHING from this before closing shop.
This is how Microsoft works. There is very little,if any, innovation that actually wins them marketshare. It's all done with "cousin Lou"/brute-force marketing and bundling tactics.
There is absolutely nothing in Microsofts history that says THIS xdoc thing will be handled any differently. Only when they step out of the PC mainstream( WebTV, xbox, stinker, etc ) do they find this "business" model doesn't work.
And if you think that requireing MS Office 11 will be a problem, Microsoft would just start publishing everything in xdoc format. If you use MS Windows, you will be REQUIRED to have a certain version of the OS and most likely certain version of things like MS Internet explorer, MS Office, etc. This is not new stuff here, it's how MS works.
LoB
Bootable MSN is what will probably follow.
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The price of Linux and it's many apps are starting to eat into Microsofts profit center and to combat that, expect to see the price for MS Windows to drop by shipping a bootable MSN client that stays running as long as you pay your monthly MSN bill.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MSN client actually updated an INSTALLED MS Windows OS so that it is disabled if you stop using MSN. Of course this could only happen legally if you installed SP3 on w2k or wxp( via new EULA ).
This would not surprise me at all. Opening up the source to MS Windows will not happen. IMHO.
I've been through that state on a motorcycle during a cross-country trip. The only thing that stands out about Texas is that it was very boring, dry, and those darn butterflies made a mess on my forward profile.
BTW, I could care less how the Longhorn is doing or what it looks like. Both from Texas and Redmond. Never seen anything impressive from either but if you're excited about it, don't forget to wash when your done.;/
There's gotta be a nice easter-egg in there saying thanks to all the folks in the Bush administration for all their hard work in getting the DOJ CAVING IN.;/
Maybe the name "Longhorn" is their tribute, Texas Longhorn is the only "Longhorn" I've heard of.....
Didn't the Texas Longhorns eventually lose out to the current breed because the current breed MATURED quicker? Humm, Linux( the current breed ) and Windows( Longhorn ). Time for history to repeat itself IMHO.:)
we also now have a very inexpensive GUI on the clients. Had the makers of the XTerminals been more realistic, this wouldn't be news because we'd already have thin-ish clients with a GUI interface.
There are MANY places where thin-ish clients are far more practical then thick clients. Especially when MS Windows is what's running on the thick client....
There are many places for thick clients also. IMHO.
I've not looked into this too deeply but can't Gecko be used for this? I mean, does the entire Mozilla browser need to be used to deploy a XUL application? If not then we'll just need to start installing Gecko with the XUL app once to get the ball rolling. As more and more apps get used the Mozilla package could be installed over Gecko to bring the full Mozilla browser up if the user wanted it.
Anybody know how small the minimum runtime installation kit would be?
TomatoMan, if you are in the US or CA, did you know that there's an easy solution to the battery problem you are having? A charger upgrade kit called Charge-N-Run makes the PDA charge on the cradle using a battery pack instead of disposable AAA batteries.
yeah, I wish Totota let a bit more current to those electric motors off the line. Not so much for me( right ) but for those who find it not quick enough. When the Prius starts on a cold morning, they keep the gas engine running in a special mode to get efficient ASAP. During this time, they let more amps to the electric motors and it does have a bit more gitty yup. The silent acceleration is a kick after years of always hearing a gas engine roaring. Hearing an engine crank seems strange now...:)
Maybe the next Toyota hybrids will have an option for a little more battery for a little more gitty yup.
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Exactly. As for the batteries,for 40 bucks he could have bought the Charge-N-Run kit so the batteries were kept charged on the cradle( http://www.charge-n-run.com ).
Some people find change difficult and others just like finding new ways to do things. IOW, PDAs work for some and not for others. Wouldn't be without mine.
LoB
It was their own since L&H is the best known name for speech recognition( and before ENRON, for cooking the books ;).
I'm hoping to do some work with these guys so I will eventually find out more. This thread will be history by then so www.zauruszone.com is where you would look for new things Z related. IMHO.
LoB
someone at Comdex said that L&H is doing work with voice recognition on the Zaurus. Don't know about Dictation...
I met some people at COMDEX who have VR(voice recg) running the the Sharp Zaurus. I've run IBM's VR software and it was pretty good 6 years ago. On the Zaurus, I would imagine that at 256MB CF card could hold a good sized dictionary so dictation appears to be possible. Especially since this guy was doing it on a 16MHz 386 years ago.
The ability of the Zaurus to take a MIC input makes a big difference since a good MIC is important due to noise cancelling features they have. All the PDA's with no external MIC option are pretty much useless for VR/Dictation.
LoB
Why not embed Linux and the XFree86 XServer on this wireless PC( I mean innovative display system ) and have xdm running on the beige box under the desk?
Wow, a remote display! How revolutionary!
If you want a taste of this then get a Sharp Zaurus, a WiFi card and install the XServer on it. You don't have the realestate of a 1028x768 display but the idea is the same.
Boy, this Microsoft thing is pure genius. NOT.
LoB
To be able to provide what the customer whens and when they want it. That's what an open platform allows OEM's like HP. Instead, they have to wait for Microsoft to decide what's right/wrong for customers.
These PDA's( Zaurus and other pocket PC's ) are for power users and corporations. The average consumer is confused by PC's and anything that actually does 2 or more things at once. They buy PalmOS devices. They're simpler.
I just thought it was strange that HP has done little to promote their own "baby". BTW, the fact that the Zaurus runs Linux isn't as important as what you get because of it. Full access to the platform and it works. Not to mention that it even has an easy to use interface. IMHO.
I know a guy who worked for a company which bought 5 iPaqs so they would be sure to have one working for the demo's. It was the OS and not the hardware causing the problems. Maybe WinCE is like it's big brother. If you don't strain it at all it works ok.
LoB
The thing I find interesting is that HP, and others who ship a WinCE based device, don't ship this with the OpenZaurus ROM installed or even on a CD for user installation. Especailly HP since they really started this with www.handhelds.org and the iPaq.
It leads me to believe they have some contractual agreement with Microsoft which prevents this just like the PC OEMs. I know Microsoft payed AT&T $5billion to put WinCE on 5million settop boxes but is HP, Dell, etc being paid to put WinCE on their PDA's? Microsoft could be paying for 100% of the support costs too and that would be attractive enough for anyone selling a WinCE product....
I hope to see the mainstream press pick up this story/product release. It was also good to see IBM and CDL using Linux/Qtopia on that security minded PDA. Many I've shown the Zaurus to said they were going to purchase one when they were looking at WinCE devices. Sharp needs to market this more. IMHO.
LoB
People, this is a TROLL. The Coward has no specifics and generalizes on every point. He/she has never used the new device and may or may not have used the 5500 or 5000 since he/she just generally hates the product.
If it sounds like a troll, smells like a troll, reads like a troll.......
Save some time and move on.
LoB
The PDA market is not much different from the PC market. You should determine your immediate needs and your short term (2 years) needs before purchasing a PDA. Of course, political and sociological implications should be factored in also.
;)
The PalmOS devices are very easy to use as PIM functions go. Sony has extended the PalmOS to handle multimedia and memory expansion but they want to promote their memory stick format over the others. Palm really never provided anything but PalmOS API support so you have one application base to work with and it's a large one. Now, Microsofts "partners" have a more feature rich hardware platform than the Palm vendors but the OS is bloated, proprietary, fragile, etc with no where near the application base as Palm. Sharp, takes the feature rich hardware of a pocket PC and puts and open source OS on it( Linux ), a keyboard, and tons of expansion slots/interfaces. The development platform is Linux and you can go with the free Qtopia SDK or the closed-source one if you want a native Qt app. For Java, use any java compiler. On the Zaurus, you can pretty much pick your development env( minus PalmOS and WinCE of course ).
There are some things I'd like to see Qtopia do that the PalmOS apps do better but the underlying PIM functionality is there. The apps are still pouring in and if you want, you can use Qt, Java, or others to program in and make your own apps.
If all you need is a PIM then you might even look at the Franklin products. I think you can get an addressbook for under $40. If you NEED color, the price is going to be pretty close between PalmOS, Sharp, and the WinCE machines. The keyboard is what really limits choice from what I've seen and when I've shown the Z to people ready to purchase a PDA, they've all ended up ready to buy a Zaurus.
Wow, that was long winded.... Figure out what's available. Figure out what you need. Figure out your budget is. Figure out what you might need in 2 years and the go back out and see what's available. Then buy a Zaurus.
LoB
So did Intel put a transistor or two into the Xscale and run it at 2x clock so they can put a 400MHz label on the part?
I found it very interesting when they came out with the P4. They couldn't product much over 750MHz in the P3 and then all of a sudden they have 1.5GHz chips that benched around as fast as the 750MHz P3's. Like Microsoft has used moving API's to keep ahead of every one else, Intel seem to be using moving instruction sets to keep Intel-inside ahead of AMD-inside...
I was hoping that the Z on XScale would be different than WinCE on XScale. Never heard it was a hardware problem.
I'd mod ya if I could.
LoB
Thanks, it sounds like he's looking at a data-centric concept but adds the interesting concept of storage as you mentioned. By time and date... He must have come up with that one while reading his email and trying to find old messages. ;)
;)
Personally, I don't believe we think/organize things that way. But hey, Microsoft has most of us doing really stupid things on our computers already so I'm sure they could force another un-intuitive way of doing stuff.
I'm not saying this is the wrong approach, just that we don't think that way now and what seems easier to me is to meld the virtual world with the phyical world. I'm not taking about MS-Bob either.
LoB
I had heard that one before but it was WordPerfect and IBM, along with Apple, supporting this. Then Novell came in. Funny how the "large" application companies didn't worry about Microsoft. Microsoft was the one who ate their lunch with moving API's, slow releases of API specs, and bundling.
Anyway, there's nobody left today to worry about but Microsoft. There are far more smaller application developers waiting for the chance to compete and the Internet is the perfect distribution method for small/lightweight apps. Do you think OpenDoc or the concept has a chance against Microsoft today? I don't. No "killer" app does IMO.
Just as before, there's still Microsoft and the fact that OEM's would not be allowed to pre-install such an architecture. Only Apples OS and IBM's OS/2 ever shipped with OpenDoc. It's that period which Microsoft was found guilty of illegal practices to protect it's operating system monopoly.
For whatever reason OpenDoc didn't make, it wasn't because the idea is invalid. The idea is valid but there's no way to get it to market with that big Ogre blocking the way.
LoB
BTW, "Branding" is something you use when you no longer have a good product but try to survive on past accomplishments. It's psycho-babble that keeps companies in business when they probably shouldn't. There could have been a composite SPLASH window the showed the "Branding" icons of the Parts used in a document. The distribution was and still is the only real problem and Microsoft holds that very close. Close enough to go to court and that won't change til they're gone.
You hit the nail on the head, it's Microsofts protecting it's monopoly that's preventing any new model from rising. To protect the Windows OS monopoly and therefore protect their application( MS Office ) monopoly, the OS must be relevant.
Just like C++ and object oriented frameworks threatened Microsoft/MS Windows in the early 1990's by abstracting the OS API's, OpenDoc threatened them in the mid 1990's by abstracting the OS AND greatly reduced the barrier to entry into the application space. The full force of the FUD machine and purchasing power put the cork on those two ideas. Granted, OOP made a decent comeback with Java and Troltech is making a living at a C++ framework but we still require huge applications with redundant features to read/write documents.
I've seen and used OpenDoc and the concept of data-centric computing is smart and far easier to use. The problem persists as to what to do about Microsoft's continued slowing of progress?
BTW, I've helped a few small business's in the early 1990's in streamlining how they used computers( PC's ) and it was the OO desktop that saved the day. Where OS/2 could be installed, it was or else it was HP's NewWave OO desktop manager. In both cases, I implemented data-centric templates of folders and data objects/icons so the use concentrated on the DATA for the task and not what application needed to be started and where that file needed to be saved to, etc. The Data-Centric method worked and worked well.
The browser is kinda like the OpenDoc container but without the Bento filesystem to hold all the different apps(Parts) data. The Inet becomes the replacement for the Bento filesystem. I don't think plug-ins can use other plug-ins in a standard way so that for instance, one spell-checker plug-in could be used in the text/html editor AND email plug-ins...
LoB
It's been something like 8 years since OpenDoc's component based applications it the net and I think it is the concept this guy speaks of( can't get to the article ). The idea was that you had a file format which allowed application data to be stored together with many applications all in one file. The applications were small, specific apps which were more like plug-ins for a "container" application.
The whole idea behind OpenDoc was that your data was what was important and YOU, the user, could mix and match small lightweight applications to create your own "super" document. The application or "Parts" developers would have to provide a free viewer for their data format so that you could email your "super" document to someone else and they could read it's contents by downloading the viewers.
The concept of document-centric, also called data-centric computing isn't new it's just the one very large monopolist must protect their operating system and make sure the "application" remains relevant. Document-centric computing abstracts the applications, greatly reduces the application size since they are now made of many smaller plug-ins, and most importantly, it reduces the barrier to entry into the market. Two or three coders could whip up a pretty good spell-checker Part or html editor Part as opposed to a full blown application containing the spell-checker, graphics editor, text editor, etc, etc.
This kind of stuff won't show up until Microsoft is gone or irrelevant. IMHO.
LoB
that 150 million they got from Microsoft to give up their future didn't seem to go very far. .Nyet anyone? ;/
LoB
Somebody doesn't know history... Microsoft could hijack the Adobe print functions on all PC shipped and all systems installing MS Office, OS patches, etc. It would take well over a year, if not two, to get court time on this and by then Adobe would lose tons of marketshare. They would be financially weakened to the point that even though it looks like they would win the case, they'd have to settle out of court just to get SOMETHING from this before closing shop. ,if any, innovation that actually wins them marketshare. It's all done with "cousin Lou"/brute-force marketing and bundling tactics.
This is how Microsoft works. There is very little
There is absolutely nothing in Microsofts history that says THIS xdoc thing will be handled any differently. Only when they step out of the PC mainstream( WebTV, xbox, stinker, etc ) do they find this "business" model doesn't work.
And if you think that requireing MS Office 11 will be a problem, Microsoft would just start publishing everything in xdoc format. If you use MS Windows, you will be REQUIRED to have a certain version of the OS and most likely certain version of things like MS Internet explorer, MS Office, etc. This is not new stuff here, it's how MS works.
LoB
The price of Linux and it's many apps are starting to eat into Microsofts profit center and to combat that, expect to see the price for MS Windows to drop by shipping a bootable MSN client that stays running as long as you pay your monthly MSN bill.
I wouldn't be surprised if the MSN client actually updated an INSTALLED MS Windows OS so that it is disabled if you stop using MSN. Of course this could only happen legally if you installed SP3 on w2k or wxp( via new EULA ).
This would not surprise me at all. Opening up the source to MS Windows will not happen. IMHO.
LoB
sure kid, whatever you say... right.
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I've been through that state on a motorcycle during a cross-country trip. The only thing that stands out about Texas is that it was very boring, dry, and those darn butterflies made a mess on my forward profile.
BTW, I could care less how the Longhorn is doing or what it looks like. Both from Texas and Redmond. Never seen anything impressive from either but if you're excited about it, don't forget to wash when your done.
Don't know if you ever saw OpenDoc but that allowed windows of any shape. Not just rounded corners of rectangles. It was really cool. IMHO.
The general computing platform will eventually gat that in about 10 years.
LoB
There's gotta be a nice easter-egg in there saying thanks to all the folks in the Bush administration for all their hard work in getting the DOJ CAVING IN. ;/
:)
Maybe the name "Longhorn" is their tribute, Texas Longhorn is the only "Longhorn" I've heard of.....
Didn't the Texas Longhorns eventually lose out to the current breed because the current breed MATURED quicker? Humm, Linux( the current breed ) and Windows( Longhorn ). Time for history to repeat itself IMHO.
LoB
OS/2 Warp
LoB
we also now have a very inexpensive GUI on the clients. Had the makers of the XTerminals been more realistic, this wouldn't be news because we'd already have thin-ish clients with a GUI interface.
There are MANY places where thin-ish clients are far more practical then thick clients. Especially when MS Windows is what's running on the thick client....
There are many places for thick clients also.
IMHO.
LoB
I've not looked into this too deeply but can't Gecko be used for this? I mean, does the entire Mozilla browser need to be used to deploy a XUL application? If not then we'll just need to start installing Gecko with the XUL app once to get the ball rolling. As more and more apps get used the Mozilla package could be installed over Gecko to bring the full Mozilla browser up if the user wanted it.
Anybody know how small the minimum runtime installation kit would be?
LoB
The web site is Charge-N-Run
I heard that they're planning an upgrade kit very soon too and it'll work with almost all the PDA's out there using AAA batteries.
I've got one on my desk for my Palm VIIx and it works great. Had it since last year.
LoB
yeah, I wish Totota let a bit more current to those electric motors off the line. Not so much for me( right ) but for those who find it not quick enough. When the Prius starts on a cold morning, they keep the gas engine running in a special mode to get efficient ASAP. During this time, they let more amps to the electric motors and it does have a bit more gitty yup. The silent acceleration is a kick after years of always hearing a gas engine roaring. Hearing an engine crank seems strange now... :)
Maybe the next Toyota hybrids will have an option for a little more battery for a little more gitty yup.
LoB