they purchased Java products and companies in bidding wars with Sun and Netscape only to shut them down. ie they were purchased at a high cost to get useful Java apps and tools off the market. As for Google, they benefit from an open market and not a closed Microsoft or Apple market. And we benefit from that too.
ask them what they think of Samsung and their motivations dealing with customers and their products. IIRC, Samsung said the product would get the 2.x OS upgrade and then months later, after many purchased the phones, told them that they were not going do the upgrade. Take their word with a salt pill.
It just seems that process advantages are short lived and everyone knows if you shrink the die you get better performance and power usage. But I get it that Intel bets its business on process and not processor design. I also get that many of the ARM vendors hire out their process and some companies are not too far behind Intel so if Intel gets a speed/power advantage over ARM it won't be long before ARM is back and will probably always beat Intel on price.
come on, when talking about comparing embedded SoC's is it really fair to say a new die shrunk version of another architecture best another using a much larger die size?
So here we have Intel putting their low cost product on their high cost process and claiming a victory? I don't buy it but since Intel is going to be selling these things at deep discounts, I might buy a product or two. I don't think in the long run they can continue this game but it's fun to see them attempting it.
Most likely 'this person' only knows BASIC and probably MS Visual BASIC at that. MS-VB is probably what he/she's asking for too.
When I meet someone who claims MS Visual BASIC as the/a language they know, I don't bother talking about software development any further. That was yet another product from Microsoft which dumbed down the planet some.
I was going to post that they might just as well ask for VxREXX but saw your Smalltalk post. Wow, Smalltalk was just inches from taking off when Java in the browser hit and took all its thunder. It's never been the same.
Interestingly, there is a port of Squeak to Android though. http://code.google.com/p/squeak-android-vm/
you or I wouldn't be here to ask the question for one thing because the world would be an entirely different place. Probably much stranger weather-wise too since the industrial revolution would have occurred a century or so earlier and who knows what military(s) would have used it to the best of their ability.
and they just lost that exclusivity. The article was rather down on iOS but I got that this means Android got the nod going forward.
The competition is good for everyone as long as one player isn't dominating and controlling. So, it's really not a big deal for Apple and it may cause some benefits should Apple want back into that game.
after Microsoft and their Microsoft Office Open XML(MS-OOXML) _standard_ debacle made the organisation look like a joke, I'm surprised they're still around.
it's going to take a little while for the phone vendors to back off on doing everything unique on their hardware. It's not helped that Android has been going to huge changes over the past couple of years. There's some hope that with ICS and going forward the base system will be changing less and it'll help reduce the other choices vendors are going with and making things tough for developers. They have to know that apps enable the platform and it costs much less when others do the apps.
no but we're talking about software and not hardware. I think well be seeing a stabilizing on the Android platform to some extent after the short period of major changes, improvements and revisions internally and graphically. I agree that Apple did a nice job on the initial design and didn't require major changes going forward but there are very few companies capable of doing that. Even Apple without Jobs is being questioned regarding this ability going forward. They were/are unique.
I think Google wants more consistency on the platform but they are fighting those selling hardware who want uniqueness at the software level too. Hopefully it clears up some soon.
so you're basically advocating a single vendor consumer market. Indeed, how grand life would be if there where no choices and we all just needed to deal with one platform. not.
Not trying to defend any platform here but the platforms are just now maturing and have gone through a rapid growth spurt. iOS not so much because of how Apple doesn't tend to make large changes in new versions and would never pull the stunt Google did with Gingerbread, Honeycomb, ICS. But ICS should be a much more solid platform going forward but because of the various screen sizes supported, screen layout will always have to be tested along with performance(driver) issues.
life would be easy for a developer with only one platform to follow until that vendor decided they want to own all the cool software on the platform. Choice is what helps prevent that from happening and it keeps products changing and hopefully improving. With Apple strictly controlling the development platform helping to lock devs into a single SDK life will not be easy doing cross platform apps.
So suck it up and enjoy the fact there is competition and the public loves it and is buying product. And hope the platform for ISV's doesn't disappear like the PalmOS platform did just 10 years ago.
because the USPTO already accepted the patent application it usually takes someone to trigger or maybe even pay to have the patent re-reviewed. The USPTO leaves it up to the patent owner and the courts to figure it out once they put their stamp on it. Although I have read some instances where they state they are reviewing a patent after they are shown prior art or some other trigger event.
The "obvious" ruling in the EU isn't going to trigger anything because the that is very subjective and a reaction from them would not be good business for them.
Considering the only thing they have is the XBox and the world + dog has been coo coo for iPods, iPhones, and iPads plus the Android devcies, it just doesn't make sense for them to be there with no hope of winning consumer hearts and minds.
It makes perfect sense because it isn't called the <bold>Consumer</bold> Electronics Show for nothing.
I would not be so sure about HP abandoning WebOS. They have a platform which begs to have a nice little OS and UI and that is their printer business. Years ago HP clean roomed a Java OS and called it Chai. They built a handheld patform on their Jornada hardware but with their marketing deal with Microsoft they would lose the profits guaranteed by those deals if they shipped a Chai based platform. Chai found it's way into many of HP's printers though and has lived there for many years. If you look back, WebOS has always been mentioned as targeting in their printers and even recently they've stated the printer usage for WebOS.
But for it to survive outside on embedding in their printers and some form of app market, they must do the work getting the driver and kernel supporting other devices. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.
OT is BeOS question again; will they be releasing the source for that? Probably way too late for it to be much usable but I've seen it mentioned a few times even recently.
if the "standard" use of the device was as you state then we would not be here discussing it. The problem is people don't set up quick dial numbers, they don't just say a few words and hang up, they don't use the phone on straight roads, they don't use the device on empty roads. Again, we/I am talking about how most people I see using the phone and from my discussions with others they too see it this way too.
repeat, the problem is not with the few who make all efforts to use the phone while driving as safe as they possibly can, it's about all those others who do not.
Since you want to play the rare case card, you are still impaired as a vehicle driver in the scenario you listed and you "could" still kill someone or hit something because of it.
I also constantly run across drivers changing speed and find out they are talking on the phone. Not texting but just talking on the phone they seem to have no clue as to the speed limit or how traffic flow is around them. I also see a rare few who do great on the phone talking and handling traffic and their vehicles. But, I've almost been hit by the others many times and that includes these dolts crossing into my lane such that I have to lay on the horn and make evasive maneuvers to prevent contact.
Is there a name for this? what I'm talking about is the guy who comes up with one left field example as proof of disproving the initial concept. I see this all the time. Maybe it should be called the, "In my little world" response.
Isn't that a good example of why you sacrifice for air quality? In China they have little/no respect for individual human life so the early deaths are not an issue for them but that's not the case in many Western societies.
only when that gets so bad as to overpower any local smog in other countries does it make sense to disregard local air quality pollutants.
hey fool, what are you doing talking about the other tablet by a book seller? Didn't you know Amazon does not want the press to mention that other company and it's products when mentioning their product? shame on you.
believe it or not there are lots of people who believe that if the system "allows" it then it is legal and proper business leveraging it. I've run across a number of people who think this way. They were all hard-core Republicans and believe the government should stay out of the way of business.
It would be interesting to poll Harvard Business grads and ask them about deception and "dickish" deeds which are legal and ask if a business should leverage those deceptions for their own gains.
I agree and if HP spent all their efforts providing driver support for devices to be reflashed and left the user and OS stuff to the OSS community they might get somewhere. Doing this would initially enable the geeks to put WebOS on their devices, a few robots and probably some other interesting hardware. That could spin into more apps and more interest in the platform outside of just phones. Then it can prove its worth.
Otherwise, with only a short list of devices it'll run on there won't be much of a community behind it.
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they purchased Java products and companies in bidding wars with Sun and Netscape only to shut them down. ie they were purchased at a high cost to get useful Java apps and tools off the market. As for Google, they benefit from an open market and not a closed Microsoft or Apple market. And we benefit from that too.
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ask them what they think of Samsung and their motivations dealing with customers and their products. IIRC, Samsung said the product would get the 2.x OS upgrade and then months later, after many purchased the phones, told them that they were not going do the upgrade. Take their word with a salt pill.
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It just seems that process advantages are short lived and everyone knows if you shrink the die you get better performance and power usage. But I get it that Intel bets its business on process and not processor design. I also get that many of the ARM vendors hire out their process and some companies are not too far behind Intel so if Intel gets a speed/power advantage over ARM it won't be long before ARM is back and will probably always beat Intel on price.
competition is always good.
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come on, when talking about comparing embedded SoC's is it really fair to say a new die shrunk version of another architecture best another using a much larger die size?
So here we have Intel putting their low cost product on their high cost process and claiming a victory? I don't buy it but since Intel is going to be selling these things at deep discounts, I might buy a product or two. I don't think in the long run they can continue this game but it's fun to see them attempting it.
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Most likely 'this person' only knows BASIC and probably MS Visual BASIC at that. MS-VB is probably what he/she's asking for too.
When I meet someone who claims MS Visual BASIC as the/a language they know, I don't bother talking about software development any further. That was yet another product from Microsoft which dumbed down the planet some.
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I was going to post that they might just as well ask for VxREXX but saw your Smalltalk post. Wow, Smalltalk was just inches from taking off when Java in the browser hit and took all its thunder. It's never been the same.
Interestingly, there is a port of Squeak to Android though. http://code.google.com/p/squeak-android-vm/
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you or I wouldn't be here to ask the question for one thing because the world would be an entirely different place. Probably much stranger weather-wise too since the industrial revolution would have occurred a century or so earlier and who knows what military(s) would have used it to the best of their ability.
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and they just lost that exclusivity. The article was rather down on iOS but I got that this means Android got the nod going forward.
The competition is good for everyone as long as one player isn't dominating and controlling. So, it's really not a big deal for Apple and it may cause some benefits should Apple want back into that game.
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don't polish it or it'll get ya.
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after Microsoft and their Microsoft Office Open XML(MS-OOXML) _standard_ debacle made the organisation look like a joke, I'm surprised they're still around.
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it's going to take a little while for the phone vendors to back off on doing everything unique on their hardware. It's not helped that Android has been going to huge changes over the past couple of years. There's some hope that with ICS and going forward the base system will be changing less and it'll help reduce the other choices vendors are going with and making things tough for developers. They have to know that apps enable the platform and it costs much less when others do the apps.
LoB
no but we're talking about software and not hardware. I think well be seeing a stabilizing on the Android platform to some extent after the short period of major changes, improvements and revisions internally and graphically. I agree that Apple did a nice job on the initial design and didn't require major changes going forward but there are very few companies capable of doing that. Even Apple without Jobs is being questioned regarding this ability going forward. They were/are unique.
I think Google wants more consistency on the platform but they are fighting those selling hardware who want uniqueness at the software level too. Hopefully it clears up some soon.
LoB
so you're basically advocating a single vendor consumer market. Indeed, how grand life would be if there where no choices and we all just needed to deal with one platform. not.
Not trying to defend any platform here but the platforms are just now maturing and have gone through a rapid growth spurt. iOS not so much because of how Apple doesn't tend to make large changes in new versions and would never pull the stunt Google did with Gingerbread, Honeycomb, ICS. But ICS should be a much more solid platform going forward but because of the various screen sizes supported, screen layout will always have to be tested along with performance(driver) issues.
life would be easy for a developer with only one platform to follow until that vendor decided they want to own all the cool software on the platform. Choice is what helps prevent that from happening and it keeps products changing and hopefully improving. With Apple strictly controlling the development platform helping to lock devs into a single SDK life will not be easy doing cross platform apps.
So suck it up and enjoy the fact there is competition and the public loves it and is buying product. And hope the platform for ISV's doesn't disappear like the PalmOS platform did just 10 years ago.
LoB
because the USPTO already accepted the patent application it usually takes someone to trigger or maybe even pay to have the patent re-reviewed. The USPTO leaves it up to the patent owner and the courts to figure it out once they put their stamp on it. Although I have read some instances where they state they are reviewing a patent after they are shown prior art or some other trigger event.
The "obvious" ruling in the EU isn't going to trigger anything because the that is very subjective and a reaction from them would not be good business for them.
LoB
Considering the only thing they have is the XBox and the world + dog has been coo coo for iPods, iPhones, and iPads plus the Android devcies, it just doesn't make sense for them to be there with no hope of winning consumer hearts and minds.
It makes perfect sense because it isn't called the <bold>Consumer</bold> Electronics Show for nothing.
LoB
I would not be so sure about HP abandoning WebOS. They have a platform which begs to have a nice little OS and UI and that is their printer business. Years ago HP clean roomed a Java OS and called it Chai. They built a handheld patform on their Jornada hardware but with their marketing deal with Microsoft they would lose the profits guaranteed by those deals if they shipped a Chai based platform. Chai found it's way into many of HP's printers though and has lived there for many years. If you look back, WebOS has always been mentioned as targeting in their printers and even recently they've stated the printer usage for WebOS.
But for it to survive outside on embedding in their printers and some form of app market, they must do the work getting the driver and kernel supporting other devices. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.
OT is BeOS question again; will they be releasing the source for that? Probably way too late for it to be much usable but I've seen it mentioned a few times even recently.
LoB
if the "standard" use of the device was as you state then we would not be here discussing it. The problem is people don't set up quick dial numbers, they don't just say a few words and hang up, they don't use the phone on straight roads, they don't use the device on empty roads. Again, we/I am talking about how most people I see using the phone and from my discussions with others they too see it this way too.
repeat, the problem is not with the few who make all efforts to use the phone while driving as safe as they possibly can, it's about all those others who do not.
Since you want to play the rare case card, you are still impaired as a vehicle driver in the scenario you listed and you "could" still kill someone or hit something because of it.
I also constantly run across drivers changing speed and find out they are talking on the phone. Not texting but just talking on the phone they seem to have no clue as to the speed limit or how traffic flow is around them. I also see a rare few who do great on the phone talking and handling traffic and their vehicles. But, I've almost been hit by the others many times and that includes these dolts crossing into my lane such that I have to lay on the horn and make evasive maneuvers to prevent contact.
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"something else was responsible" ... I see something like the 007 "Moonraker" shuttle capturing craft. lol
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Is there a name for this? what I'm talking about is the guy who comes up with one left field example as proof of disproving the initial concept. I see this all the time. Maybe it should be called the, "In my little world" response.
LoB
airplane mode is quicker and allows for easier re-enabling once you get to your destination.
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Isn't that a good example of why you sacrifice for air quality? In China they have little/no respect for individual human life so the early deaths are not an issue for them but that's not the case in many Western societies.
only when that gets so bad as to overpower any local smog in other countries does it make sense to disregard local air quality pollutants.
LoB
hey fool, what are you doing talking about the other tablet by a book seller? Didn't you know Amazon does not want the press to mention that other company and it's products when mentioning their product? shame on you.
LoB
believe it or not there are lots of people who believe that if the system "allows" it then it is legal and proper business leveraging it. I've run across a number of people who think this way. They were all hard-core Republicans and believe the government should stay out of the way of business.
It would be interesting to poll Harvard Business grads and ask them about deception and "dickish" deeds which are legal and ask if a business should leverage those deceptions for their own gains.
LoB
it's blown me away when I asked an admissions person if she had an internet connect that worked with Internet Explorer and she said yes.
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I agree and if HP spent all their efforts providing driver support for devices to be reflashed and left the user and OS stuff to the OSS community they might get somewhere. Doing this would initially enable the geeks to put WebOS on their devices, a few robots and probably some other interesting hardware. That could spin into more apps and more interest in the platform outside of just phones. Then it can prove its worth.
Otherwise, with only a short list of devices it'll run on there won't be much of a community behind it.
LoB