There was some incredible scenes to see but NBC camera people must have been told to zoom every camera and it diminished the quality IMO. The designers didn't create the imagery for moving viewers or moving cameras/lenses.
It really became an annoyance and a disappointment.
is there really enough usage of Windows Vista out there for malware coders to even spend the time and effort? HP showed the world recently that Microsoft's numbers are pure bull since they ship Windows XP in huge numbers but they are counted as Vista because of Microsoft's licensing requirements. ie, they are shipping Windows Vista licenses but those cover Windows XP too.
Since.Net is also embedded in XP, we'll probably see this breakout on XP first. That's my guess and I don't think Bill Gates having said that Windows Vista was the most secure OS available is enough to challenge the attackers to the platform. The big splash with big numbers are probably what counts. IMO
I saw that quote too and figured it meant it was going to be a problem for anyone with applications on Windows. the exploit was tied to how their browser, via deep ties to MS.Net, loads DLLs and that was exploited. Sure Firefox on Windows with a MS.Net ActiveX control is probably also vulnerable but is that a Mozilla problem?
More details in what this means for other companies/projects will probably come to light as this gets more exposure.
If this is something any native application is exposed to then it means, as is always the case, you should have some level of trust for the provider of the native applications your run.
And we already know that Windows is so poorly designed that running it on separate hardware or in unique virtual machines is what you must do to protect applications from taking down other applications. You know, doing what an OS is supposed to do in the first place. Too bad this will not stick a fork in MS.Net or Windows security misbeliefs until a massive exploit costs the world billions.
good point and correct IMO. Unless OSS and even GNU/Linux get more general desktop/laptop sales channels, the niche apps will be Windows based for a very long time. Asus looked like they where going to be the poster child for a breakout GNU/Linux-OSS platform but Microsoft purchased their way into this small device market and is paying out $$$ to push their old Windows XP OS and Windows apps into consumers faces.
Phones are too small to matter much to users or enhance the market for niche apps like AutoCAD and I don't see another sector with the same chance as UMP/MID devices have. There is some movement to ARM based UMP/MID devices because of what that brings in power, power usage, and pricing and there is nothing available from Microsoft which can compete with a full blown GNU/Linux and OSS stack on these devices. ie, they can't buy their way in without using threats in other markets and that is a big anti-trust flare.
Seeing more OSS based Web 2.0 projects is another way to open the door industry-specific apps which still work on Windows desktops and open the door to OSS desktops which can lead to more native niche apps.
with all the problems with budgets these days, one would think that town and city governments would be picking up OSS like it was the golden goose but they are not. Instead, every town, city, and state agency creates their own CMS system for their water districts, their sewer districts, their refuge collection, etc and they typically do it by outsourcing and without any code reuse. They pay for the re-invention of the wheel in every town, city, state, etc. What a waste.
You might see where private and public corporations might think there is an advantage to having a completely custom app and keeping it all hidden, but the public sector should be jumping on this. Public school systems should be teaching classes on programming techniques and technology using OSS and could even use the OSS project of a local government as the subject to both enhance the project and provide possible job skills needed by the local government.
Or is there a better place for OSS to expand in an industry-specific way?
sure but the guy doesn't come out with this until quite late in all the political back/forth on this. Not to mention how much time and effort would have been saved if he even mentioned this earlier.
But maybe it's all in his plan to get a couple of billion to have the system rebuilt in MS Access.;-) Don't laugh, crap like this happens all the time. Maybe not in Access but software and platforms just as unsafe and lacking robustness.
do you think he might be exaggerating some so that the pay cuts would not be implemented?
And think about it, they must have a way to reduce pay so that can't be the problem. What is probably the issue is that there is probably nothing in place to keep track of the back pay these people would get after a budget was finally passed.
It surprises me I've not seen this tie in the press between the guy saying the software is too old and the same guy saying he would not reduce the pay. Ya think maybe he's looking for a legal way to not reduce the pay?
it looks like they have a couple strands of copper wire here and there which is ripe for the picking. We've had thieves taking copper water pipes, ground strapping and rods, and even had a few electrocuted while attempting to take live power lines.
they have a history of going after Windows ISV's with cross platform products. OSS is tied to Linux in that in over 90% of the projects, they run on Linux if they run on Windows.
While OSS does not equal Linux, it does enable it as a threat to Microsofts only money maker, Windows.
IMO, thinking that Microsoft is "supporting OSS" is a grave error. They support Windows and Microsoft software period. Anything else they do is designed to move customers to Windows and Microsoft software and not the cross platform software.
you mean you've never noticed them joining competing industry committees before? They usually do this for a few reasons and all of them have to do with making sure they know how to fight the product.
They do it to get inside numbers on things like install base and download numbers. This lets them know how much they need to throttle up or down marketing funds to fight the product.
They do this to slow down the progress of the committee for obvious reasons. It's pretty easy to do when you've got billions of bucks and hundreds of developers taking orders from you.
They do it to learn the inner workings of the development process and other business-like mechanisms so they can feed valuable data to their sales force and help promote their product over the committees product.
I doubt they had to become a sponsor to contribute a MS-SQL patch to ADOdb. That was just a bone to throw out to make it look like they have changed from the 20+ years of fighting every cross platform product which threatens a Microsoft product. They lose billions annually doing this but with far more billions in profits from Windows, nobody seems to care.
There is no about-face and surely one, two, three or more press releases and cheap tricks isn't going to change 20 years of history. open source is a threat to their only money maker, Windows and they must stop it. That is the face of Microsoft. IMO.
Look at the guy they hired to run their Linux Lab, Hilfe or something like that is his name. They made him up to be a friend to OSS but then he got put in charge of their anti-linux marketing or the likes.
20+ years of watching these guys tell me it is business as usual for MSFT. Windows is their baby and nothing is going to threaten it. Linux and OSS is too compelling for many of Microsofts customers so Microsoft must get its hands dirty and shove its way into that area enough to figure out how to pull those customers back to Windows.
Their business is Windows and maintaining that products position. Software which runs on Windows and some other platform is a threat. This is how it has always been so why would anyone think they are playing any other game? Twenty years folks, twenty years. Just look at ODF and MS-OOXML for proof of how far they'll go to protect their position.
this new guy should not be given the time of day IMO.
Everyone knows these people are lying and it just makes a mockery of the legal system every time this happens. The iconic balancing scale should be replaced with some kind of game piece. IMO
The Via Nano is currently built on a 65nm process and the Intel Atom on 45nm so Via has some room if they move to the 45nm process.
Makes me wonder if building the Atom on 45nm is costing them production of high price multi-core chips in order to squeeze themselves into this UMP market before the sector solidifies more. And seeing things like the TI OMAP 35xx chips it makes me wonder when the UMP market moves off x86. There is already pressure to bump up the price of the UMP as to not take away from the lowend laptop market.
something I saw recently mentioned that the atom requires a 2nd chip( northbridge ) which is often over looked when compared to other UMP SoC chips. I didn't look if this applied to these item but it should be kept in mind for things like ARM SoC's, the Geode and any other chip which does far more than the Atom alone.
Another interesting bit was that Intel had to go to 45nm to get the Atom to its current power range while almost all the existing competitors are built on 65nm. That is important because it means the others have just a die shrink to jump down even further in power usage if they even need to in order to put up better numbers than Itel's Atom ant.
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There is no comparison at all with Gates leaving Microsoft since he has never provided anything to the company which resulted in profits from new products. Microsoft still makes all their profits from the Windows OS and MS Office and MS Office didn't get where it is without having been tied to the OS and having leveraged OEMs to preload it over the others.
So Microsoft only exists because the Windows monopoly is viciously protected and keeps going and going. Apple, they've created market changing products over and over again. Microsoft follows what others do and move it to a Windows-only technology and more often than not, they have to purchase the marketshare to get critical mass with the product. While Apple creates new products people are drawn to because of the quality, design, and use even though it is an Apple-only technology.
People inside Apple know how much Jobs has to do with new product directions at Apple. But even if Jobs just picks the colors of the buttons, he does more to make Apple successful than Bill Gates has ever done for Microsoft once he got them the deal with IBM. IMO.
Sugar is a few things and simple is not one of them. It is a filesystem API( journal ), it's a collaboration API, and it is an application launcher. All these are designed to provide an easy to use platform for children and educators so that the details of what's going on underneath does not have to be taught to be used.
Do you want to be the one who has to teach the kids what a filesystem is, how a tree works, how 4 different ways to get to your files works, and then each day of class spend half an hour making sure everyone can find their homework somewhere in the filesystem?
The next thing people are going to say is that Tivo sucks because it is not using Windows and the UI they designed is for retarded people.
People need to open their eyes to the fact that what Microsoft dictates is not even close to how EVERYBODY should interface with computer systems.
Why would they do that? They are out to put the XO and OLPC out of business or whatever they are doing. We know that XP on this is going to suck and it'll take $30-$50 more hardware to make it even close to usable. That alone is enough to destroy the OLPC if they put all their eggs in the Microsoft basket. And seeing how Microsoft spent $25 million to tie the Egyptian government to Microsoft Windows, they've got plenty more to tie up a whole bunch of poor countries.
I only hope that Sugar lives on. It really looks like a great entry level desktop for educational use. Teachers wasting hours on teaching kids what buttons to push in Windows is not teaching them anything useful.
And what is with these idiots constantly saying that teaching kids Windows XP is going to prepare them for when they get into the work force. For many of these kids, that's ten years out and there is no way Microsoft's software is going to act the same in ten years. Besides, they are supposed to be using the XO for learning about the world, not how Microsoft decided to tie you to their money train. IMO.
I attempted to clarify that what I was referring to was Redhat repository based packages and not offsite user posted packages. I also was saying that a bunch of RedHat based admin types and a few other Fedora users seem to have alot of problems which are 100% based on packaging issues.
I don't get the impression that many of these post bugs either but one did say he once posted a bug report and it was address quickly.
yes, ESR but after a quick search, it looks like he got to the point you mentioned after a repository based package update failed and he spent 4 hours trying to get a working system back.
so it may not be rpm's fault, it is those behind the Redhat repository and how they put together the rpm's in their repos.
This follows what I've seen from a bunch of RH based admins as recent as this year. I don't know if it is just desktop based stuff or a mix of server and desktop but their management of their repositories seems more problematic than Ubuntu's.
yes, anyone can do a deb or rpm package so more specifically speaking, packages in Redhat repos seem to cause a lot of problems while there seem to be far fewer issues with packages in Ubuntu repos.
maybe the bit about rpm packages and licensing is yet another reason for Intel overlooking the history of RH packaging issues compared to Ubuntu deb packaging.
I'll 2nd that. Way too many times to see Fedora, RHEL, and CentOS users posting about problems as a result of packaging issues. And didn't some big Linux fan make a switch away from RedHat because of RPM issues?
Redhat does currently have a more profitable enterprise so maybe the reason has more to do with RedHat corporate and/or employee backing.
IMO, the customers are going to pay for this as a result since Ubuntu is more consumer oriented and has a good history with their application package management.
a well trained McD's employee for sure. he/she said "meat" and not beef. Remember, it is "100% McDonalds beef" and not 100% beef. There's no telling how much cow is really in there when it's labeled like that.
but as a kid, I chowed on their burgers and fries and actually liked it. Today, I tried their chicken nuggets once on a long drive home and almost threw them away. It was as if they somehow formed the nuggets from some mixed slurry, prettied it up with a coating, and then cooked the outside to make it appear appetizing. Hmmm, mixed slurry, prettied up, made to appear appetizing? Remind you of anyone?
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There was some incredible scenes to see but NBC camera people must have been told to zoom every camera and it diminished the quality IMO. The designers didn't create the imagery for moving viewers or moving cameras/lenses.
It really became an annoyance and a disappointment.
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don't forget the lack of consideration in TCO numbers too.
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yup, they've sucked at everything they've done except being lucky enough to get a deal with IBM in the 80s.
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is there really enough usage of Windows Vista out there for malware coders to even spend the time and effort? HP showed the world recently that Microsoft's numbers are pure bull since they ship Windows XP in huge numbers but they are counted as Vista because of Microsoft's licensing requirements. ie, they are shipping Windows Vista licenses but those cover Windows XP too.
Since .Net is also embedded in XP, we'll probably see this breakout on XP first. That's my guess and I don't think Bill Gates having said that Windows Vista was the most secure OS available is enough to challenge the attackers to the platform. The big splash with big numbers are probably what counts. IMO
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I saw that quote too and figured it meant it was going to be a problem for anyone with applications on Windows. the exploit was tied to how their browser, via deep ties to MS .Net, loads DLLs and that was exploited. Sure Firefox on Windows with a MS .Net ActiveX control is probably also vulnerable but is that a Mozilla problem?
More details in what this means for other companies/projects will probably come to light as this gets more exposure.
If this is something any native application is exposed to then it means, as is always the case, you should have some level of trust for the provider of the native applications your run.
And we already know that Windows is so poorly designed that running it on separate hardware or in unique virtual machines is what you must do to protect applications from taking down other applications. You know, doing what an OS is supposed to do in the first place. Too bad this will not stick a fork in MS .Net or Windows security misbeliefs until a massive exploit costs the world billions.
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good point and correct IMO. Unless OSS and even GNU/Linux get more general desktop/laptop sales channels, the niche apps will be Windows based for a very long time. Asus looked like they where going to be the poster child for a breakout GNU/Linux-OSS platform but Microsoft purchased their way into this small device market and is paying out $$$ to push their old Windows XP OS and Windows apps into consumers faces.
Phones are too small to matter much to users or enhance the market for niche apps like AutoCAD and I don't see another sector with the same chance as UMP/MID devices have. There is some movement to ARM based UMP/MID devices because of what that brings in power, power usage, and pricing and there is nothing available from Microsoft which can compete with a full blown GNU/Linux and OSS stack on these devices. ie, they can't buy their way in without using threats in other markets and that is a big anti-trust flare.
Seeing more OSS based Web 2.0 projects is another way to open the door industry-specific apps which still work on Windows desktops and open the door to OSS desktops which can lead to more native niche apps.
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with all the problems with budgets these days, one would think that town and city governments would be picking up OSS like it was the golden goose but they are not. Instead, every town, city, and state agency creates their own CMS system for their water districts, their sewer districts, their refuge collection, etc and they typically do it by outsourcing and without any code reuse. They pay for the re-invention of the wheel in every town, city, state, etc. What a waste.
You might see where private and public corporations might think there is an advantage to having a completely custom app and keeping it all hidden, but the public sector should be jumping on this. Public school systems should be teaching classes on programming techniques and technology using OSS and could even use the OSS project of a local government as the subject to both enhance the project and provide possible job skills needed by the local government.
Or is there a better place for OSS to expand in an industry-specific way?
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sure but the guy doesn't come out with this until quite late in all the political back/forth on this. Not to mention how much time and effort would have been saved if he even mentioned this earlier.
But maybe it's all in his plan to get a couple of billion to have the system rebuilt in MS Access. ;-)
Don't laugh, crap like this happens all the time. Maybe not in Access but software and platforms just as unsafe and lacking robustness.
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do you think he might be exaggerating some so that the pay cuts would not be implemented?
And think about it, they must have a way to reduce pay so that can't be the problem. What is probably the issue is that there is probably nothing in place to keep track of the back pay these people would get after a budget was finally passed.
It surprises me I've not seen this tie in the press between the guy saying the software is too old and the same guy saying he would not reduce the pay. Ya think maybe he's looking for a legal way to not reduce the pay?
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it looks like they have a couple strands of copper wire here and there which is ripe for the picking. We've had thieves taking copper water pipes, ground strapping and rods, and even had a few electrocuted while attempting to take live power lines.
seriously, those pics looked amazing.
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they have a history of going after Windows ISV's with cross platform products. OSS is tied to Linux in that in over 90% of the projects, they run on Linux if they run on Windows.
While OSS does not equal Linux, it does enable it as a threat to Microsofts only money maker, Windows.
IMO, thinking that Microsoft is "supporting OSS" is a grave error. They support Windows and Microsoft software period. Anything else they do is designed to move customers to Windows and Microsoft software and not the cross platform software.
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you mean you've never noticed them joining competing industry committees before? They usually do this for a few reasons and all of them have to do with making sure they know how to fight the product.
They do it to get inside numbers on things like install base and download numbers. This lets them know how much they need to throttle up or down marketing funds to fight the product.
They do this to slow down the progress of the committee for obvious reasons. It's pretty easy to do when you've got billions of bucks and hundreds of developers taking orders from you.
They do it to learn the inner workings of the development process and other business-like mechanisms so they can feed valuable data to their sales force and help promote their product over the committees product.
I doubt they had to become a sponsor to contribute a MS-SQL patch to ADOdb. That was just a bone to throw out to make it look like they have changed from the 20+ years of fighting every cross platform product which threatens a Microsoft product. They lose billions annually doing this but with far more billions in profits from Windows, nobody seems to care.
There is no about-face and surely one, two, three or more press releases and cheap tricks isn't going to change 20 years of history. open source is a threat to their only money maker, Windows and they must stop it. That is the face of Microsoft. IMO.
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Look at the guy they hired to run their Linux Lab, Hilfe or something like that is his name. They made him up to be a friend to OSS but then he got put in charge of their anti-linux marketing or the likes.
20+ years of watching these guys tell me it is business as usual for MSFT. Windows is their baby and nothing is going to threaten it. Linux and OSS is too compelling for many of Microsofts customers so Microsoft must get its hands dirty and shove its way into that area enough to figure out how to pull those customers back to Windows.
Their business is Windows and maintaining that products position. Software which runs on Windows and some other platform is a threat. This is how it has always been so why would anyone think they are playing any other game? Twenty years folks, twenty years. Just look at ODF and MS-OOXML for proof of how far they'll go to protect their position.
this new guy should not be given the time of day IMO.
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Everyone knows these people are lying and it just makes a mockery of the legal system every time this happens. The iconic balancing scale should be replaced with some kind of game piece. IMO
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The Via Nano is currently built on a 65nm process and the Intel Atom on 45nm so Via has some room if they move to the 45nm process.
Makes me wonder if building the Atom on 45nm is costing them production of high price multi-core chips in order to squeeze themselves into this UMP market before the sector solidifies more. And seeing things like the TI OMAP 35xx chips it makes me wonder when the UMP market moves off x86. There is already pressure to bump up the price of the UMP as to not take away from the lowend laptop market.
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something I saw recently mentioned that the atom requires a 2nd chip( northbridge ) which is often over looked when compared to other UMP SoC chips. I didn't look if this applied to these item but it should be kept in mind for things like ARM SoC's, the Geode and any other chip which does far more than the Atom alone.
Another interesting bit was that Intel had to go to 45nm to get the Atom to its current power range while almost all the existing competitors are built on 65nm. That is important because it means the others have just a die shrink to jump down even further in power usage if they even need to in order to put up better numbers than Itel's Atom ant.
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There is no comparison at all with Gates leaving Microsoft since he has never provided anything to the company which resulted in profits from new products. Microsoft still makes all their profits from the Windows OS and MS Office and MS Office didn't get where it is without having been tied to the OS and having leveraged OEMs to preload it over the others.
So Microsoft only exists because the Windows monopoly is viciously protected and keeps going and going. Apple, they've created market changing products over and over again. Microsoft follows what others do and move it to a Windows-only technology and more often than not, they have to purchase the marketshare to get critical mass with the product. While Apple creates new products people are drawn to because of the quality, design, and use even though it is an Apple-only technology.
People inside Apple know how much Jobs has to do with new product directions at Apple. But even if Jobs just picks the colors of the buttons, he does more to make Apple successful than Bill Gates has ever done for Microsoft once he got them the deal with IBM. IMO.
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Sugar is a few things and simple is not one of them. It is a filesystem API( journal ), it's a collaboration API, and it is an application launcher. All these are designed to provide an easy to use platform for children and educators so that the details of what's going on underneath does not have to be taught to be used.
Do you want to be the one who has to teach the kids what a filesystem is, how a tree works, how 4 different ways to get to your files works, and then each day of class spend half an hour making sure everyone can find their homework somewhere in the filesystem?
The next thing people are going to say is that Tivo sucks because it is not using Windows and the UI they designed is for retarded people.
People need to open their eyes to the fact that what Microsoft dictates is not even close to how EVERYBODY should interface with computer systems.
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Why would they do that? They are out to put the XO and OLPC out of business or whatever they are doing. We know that XP on this is going to suck and it'll take $30-$50 more hardware to make it even close to usable. That alone is enough to destroy the OLPC if they put all their eggs in the Microsoft basket. And seeing how Microsoft spent $25 million to tie the Egyptian government to Microsoft Windows, they've got plenty more to tie up a whole bunch of poor countries.
I only hope that Sugar lives on. It really looks like a great entry level desktop for educational use. Teachers wasting hours on teaching kids what buttons to push in Windows is not teaching them anything useful.
And what is with these idiots constantly saying that teaching kids Windows XP is going to prepare them for when they get into the work force. For many of these kids, that's ten years out and there is no way Microsoft's software is going to act the same in ten years. Besides, they are supposed to be using the XO for learning about the world, not how Microsoft decided to tie you to their money train. IMO.
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I attempted to clarify that what I was referring to was Redhat repository based packages and not offsite user posted packages. I also was saying that a bunch of RedHat based admin types and a few other Fedora users seem to have alot of problems which are 100% based on packaging issues.
I don't get the impression that many of these post bugs either but one did say he once posted a bug report and it was address quickly.
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yes, ESR but after a quick search, it looks like he got to the point you mentioned after a repository based package update failed and he spent 4 hours trying to get a working system back.
so it may not be rpm's fault, it is those behind the Redhat repository and how they put together the rpm's in their repos.
This follows what I've seen from a bunch of RH based admins as recent as this year. I don't know if it is just desktop based stuff or a mix of server and desktop but their management of their repositories seems more problematic than Ubuntu's.
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yes, anyone can do a deb or rpm package so more specifically speaking, packages in Redhat repos seem to cause a lot of problems while there seem to be far fewer issues with packages in Ubuntu repos.
maybe the bit about rpm packages and licensing is yet another reason for Intel overlooking the history of RH packaging issues compared to Ubuntu deb packaging.
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I'll 2nd that. Way too many times to see Fedora, RHEL, and CentOS users posting about problems as a result of packaging issues. And didn't some big Linux fan make a switch away from RedHat because of RPM issues?
Redhat does currently have a more profitable enterprise so maybe the reason has more to do with RedHat corporate and/or employee backing.
IMO, the customers are going to pay for this as a result since Ubuntu is more consumer oriented and has a good history with their application package management.
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but if you ordered a CD from them, what will you get? Is it the original or updated image?
Nice to know they are updating the images for the LTS products.
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a well trained McD's employee for sure. he/she said "meat" and not beef. Remember, it is "100% McDonalds beef" and not 100% beef. There's no telling how much cow is really in there when it's labeled like that.
but as a kid, I chowed on their burgers and fries and actually liked it. Today, I tried their chicken nuggets once on a long drive home and almost threw them away. It was as if they somehow formed the nuggets from some mixed slurry, prettied it up with a coating, and then cooked the outside to make it appear appetizing. Hmmm, mixed slurry, prettied up, made to appear appetizing? Remind you of anyone?
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