If you look at the daily chart, however, you will see that SCO's stock was down a lot (over 10%) during most of the day until they came out with their "We are The Terminator" statement.
when she ordered a whole load of cosmetics from a supplier in Australia,... then got hit with an extra tax bill running to several figures when the stuff arrived.
When I attempted to contact Microsoft about the problem, they asked me for a credit card number. When I explained I didn't want support and was trying to report a bug, I was transferred to someone else who... asked me for a credit card number. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Dude, They were just tyring to issue a refund to your credit card for the purchase price of Windows.
(Pssst, I also have this wicked cool eBridge if you want it).
Sure it will be a pain, but when you move to a new place, you have to give your friends the new phone number and address -- giving a new e-mail address (on the new e-mail system) won't be all that bad will it?
Hell no, it's easier. I will just set up a script to send thousands of emails with my new address to everyone. I might even include a few pointers on male enhancement products at the same time so I don't clog up the system with a second mail.
With Open Source software "they" can not put in back doors, sinffers, etc. because *everyone* has access to the code. At least, that's what I think is driving things behind the scenes./me polishes tinfoil hat.
Also, considering the Firebird Database is an open source project, I doubt they would be able/willing to bring up a lawsuit for the name anyhow.
Hi smcn,
I wasn't saying they should bring up a legal challenge. I think we are overly litigous as it is. I also don't agree with the approach they took. All I meant is that I don't think others here would be happy if they were on the receiving end of the naming issue, and that it would be quite nice/kind/mature to simply show respect for another open source project and pick a different name.
Yes, sorry about my using Phoenix when I meant Firebird in my original post. I should really use make use of that preview button.:)
Second, I realise that "Firebird" is neither completely original, nor without prior products, such as the car, that used the name first. I simply meant that there's another open source project with the name, and therefore, were it my choice, I would try to accomodate their wishes. That is why I brought up the MSN Messenger naming. Would everyone think it was OK if they called it MSN Firebird?
Third, I also don't agree with the way they (the SQL guys) reacted. They overreacted, but now appear to be taking a more measured approach. They should *not* have asked people to flood someone else's inbox or website, as that simply makes them look childish.
But once again, I still don't think there is any need to use the same name as another open source software project. Just like I wouldn't call my database containing the fat content of fast food hamburgers e-Macs.:) If the Phoenix-now-Firebird/Mozilla guys want to use a sort-of speedy-sounding name for the browser, which will at the same time allude to excellence, I suggest calling it Excel.:)
PS - I use Mozilla every day on both Linux and Windows and think its a tremendous product and am quite grateful to its developers who have put in tons of hard work. I am not trying to snipe at them.
I do not think that the Moz team should use Phoenix. Even though it probably passses a legal litmus test, as they are very different products, that doesn't mean they should continue to use it.
I think it would be nice to show some respect to another open source project which precedes yours. I am sure that if the database guys called their product MozillaDatabase, the Mozilla team wouldn't be very happy, and I am sure there would be an outcry on Slashdot. Or better yet, how about Microsoft changes one of their product to the name Phoenix. How about instead of MSN Messenger they call it MSN Firebird? Would everyone here tell the Firebird/Moz team to "quit crying"?
I guess the summary is, just play nice with others and change the name out of courtesy for others.
If they don't have the infrastructure to support 1Mb up, then don't friggin sell 1Mb up. Don't sell me a service for $39.95/month, then change the service in the middle based on whether "I use too much of what you have sold me". You can't support more than X upstream, fine. Then sell it that way and cap EVERYONE that way. Don't penalize ME because I am letting my friends grab Red Hat iso's from me, instead of the swamped servers.
So what other ways (besides forcing a manual check) can we build into the slash code to help stop this in the future, before an article is posted?
Any editor posting a dupe will: 1. Have hot grits poured down his pants 2. Be forced to use goatse as his desktop wallpaper 3. Be sent someplace cold IN SOVIET RUSSIA. 4. Problem solved 5....???... 6. Profit!!!
We dont even spend 1 billion a year on welfare but Republicans complain like welfare is draining every penny out of their pockets, they dont want to help homeless people in this country yet we spend billions each year helpinng homeless people in Africa.
While I agree with the statements in your post, the U.S. goverment and state governments spent over $430 BILLION dollars on welfare in FY 2000.
And that elitist attitude is exactly why Windows has the market share it does. You guys expect everyone to know how to change their own oil, tune-up their car, adjust the timing belt, and balace the tires.
The computer is a tool. My mom (and millions of others) knows how to drive a car and she knows how to drive a computer. They don't know how it operates, and they shouldn't have to. They aren't experts in computers, and they aren't experts in cars.
The idea that somebody has to have advanced knowledge of computers to use them is absurd. The fact that somebody thinks they should have to treat their use of the computer like navigating a minefield is even more absurd.
Nobody is entitled to security. But what they are entitled to is reasonably secure software, not a gaping sieve of a security nightmare, such as IE.
Slashdot Mirror
Start calling unsolicited commercial email Firebird.
# Korea and Japan pretty much tied at +15,000 each
# Japan, at just under 10,000
Don't forget about Japan!
If you look at the daily chart, however, you will see that SCO's stock was down a lot (over 10%) during most of the day until they came out with their "We are The Terminator" statement.
Does SCO realize how many HUGE companies use AIX? I mean they MUST, right?
*SCO walks into court clerk*
SCO: "We would like to sue a corporation today."
Clerk: "Which One?"
SCO: "All of them".
*clerk collapses onto floor*
(No lame glove references please.)
Fair enough.
"If our code's in it, you can't acquit".
"No SCO IP unless you pay the fee".
"Computers running stolen code will cost you another $50 per node".
when she ordered a whole load of cosmetics from a supplier in Australia, ... then got hit with an extra tax bill running to several figures when the stuff arrived.
When did Tammy Fae Baker move to the UK?
WMSD = Weapons of Mass Self-Destruction
Combine the slow withdrawal of features from the commercial boxes
What features has TiVO removed? I am curious as I own a TiVo and do not recall anything being removed from it.
From National Geographic:
Pics.
Personally, I don't want to have anything to do with SCO or any product they ever touched.
That's why I switched to Dr. DOS.
After reading this thread I am pretty sure I now know why my computer crashes. :-)
Yes it does. Not it doesn't. Yes it does. No it doesn't. Yes it {comment.pl has caused a fatal exception in mozilla.exe at afE46628222837}
My guess is he got two "right" because those questions got thrown out and therefore everyone was marked correct on them.
When I attempted to contact Microsoft about the problem, they asked me for a credit card number. When I explained I didn't want support and was trying to report a bug, I was transferred to someone else who... asked me for a credit card number. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Dude,
They were just tyring to issue a refund to your credit card for the purchase price of Windows.
(Pssst, I also have this wicked cool eBridge if you want it).
Sure it will be a pain, but when you move to a new place, you have to give your friends the new phone number and address -- giving a new e-mail address (on the new e-mail system) won't be all that bad will it?
Hell no, it's easier. I will just set up a script to send thousands of emails with my new address to everyone. I might even include a few pointers on male enhancement products at the same time so I don't clog up the system with a second mail.
With Open Source software "they" can not put in back doors, sinffers, etc. because *everyone* has access to the code. At least, that's what I think is driving things behind the scenes. /me polishes tinfoil hat.
Also, considering the Firebird Database is an open source project, I doubt they would be able/willing to bring up a lawsuit for the name anyhow.
Hi smcn,
I wasn't saying they should bring up a legal challenge. I think we are overly litigous as it is. I also don't agree with the approach they took. All I meant is that I don't think others here would be happy if they were on the receiving end of the naming issue, and that it would be quite nice/kind/mature to simply show respect for another open source project and pick a different name.
Yes, sorry about my using Phoenix when I meant Firebird in my original post. I should really use make use of that preview button. :)
:) If the Phoenix-now-Firebird/Mozilla guys want to use a sort-of speedy-sounding name for the browser, which will at the same time allude to excellence, I suggest calling it Excel. :)
Second, I realise that "Firebird" is neither completely original, nor without prior products, such as the car, that used the name first. I simply meant that there's another open source project with the name, and therefore, were it my choice, I would try to accomodate their wishes. That is why I brought up the MSN Messenger naming. Would everyone think it was OK if they called it MSN Firebird?
Third, I also don't agree with the way they (the SQL guys) reacted. They overreacted, but now appear to be taking a more measured approach. They should *not* have asked people to flood someone else's inbox or website, as that simply makes them look childish.
But once again, I still don't think there is any need to use the same name as another open source software project. Just like I wouldn't call my database containing the fat content of fast food hamburgers e-Macs.
PS - I use Mozilla every day on both Linux and Windows and think its a tremendous product and am quite grateful to its developers who have put in tons of hard work. I am not trying to snipe at them.
I do not think that the Moz team should use Phoenix. Even though it probably passses a legal litmus test, as they are very different products, that doesn't mean they should continue to use it.
I think it would be nice to show some respect to another open source project which precedes yours. I am sure that if the database guys called their product MozillaDatabase, the Mozilla team wouldn't be very happy, and I am sure there would be an outcry on Slashdot. Or better yet, how about Microsoft changes one of their product to the name Phoenix. How about instead of MSN Messenger they call it MSN Firebird? Would everyone here tell the Firebird/Moz team to "quit crying"?
I guess the summary is, just play nice with others and change the name out of courtesy for others.
If they don't have the infrastructure to support 1Mb up, then don't friggin sell 1Mb up. Don't sell me a service for $39.95/month, then change the service in the middle based on whether "I use too much of what you have sold me". You can't support more than X upstream, fine. Then sell it that way and cap EVERYONE that way. Don't penalize ME because I am letting my friends grab Red Hat iso's from me, instead of the swamped servers.
So what other ways (besides forcing a manual check) can we build into the slash code to help stop this in the future, before an article is posted?
...???...
Any editor posting a dupe will:
1. Have hot grits poured down his pants
2. Be forced to use goatse as his desktop wallpaper
3. Be sent someplace cold IN SOVIET RUSSIA.
4. Problem solved
5.
6. Profit!!!
I have alternative suggestion.
Read the artcile.
Did you read the link? Well over $300 billion of the money is from the Feds. Look at the pie chart.
A far cry from the $1 billion in your parent post.
We dont even spend 1 billion a year on welfare but Republicans complain like welfare is draining every penny out of their pockets, they dont want to help homeless people in this country yet we spend billions each year helpinng homeless people in Africa.
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While I agree with the statements in your post, the U.S. goverment and state governments spent over $430 BILLION dollars on welfare in FY 2000.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/Test03
We can see the great benefits of a MS solution firsthand by the performance of your server.
The site www.crn.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on unknown.
What is the TCO of replacing that smoldering hunk in the corner, guys?
And that elitist attitude is exactly why Windows has the market share it does. You guys expect everyone to know how to change their own oil, tune-up their car, adjust the timing belt, and balace the tires.
The computer is a tool. My mom (and millions of others) knows how to drive a car and she knows how to drive a computer. They don't know how it operates, and they shouldn't have to. They aren't experts in computers, and they aren't experts in cars.
The idea that somebody has to have advanced knowledge of computers to use them is absurd. The fact that somebody thinks they should have to treat their use of the computer like navigating a minefield is even more absurd.
Nobody is entitled to security. But what they are entitled to is reasonably secure software, not a gaping sieve of a security nightmare, such as IE.