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Sony, Matsushita Back Linux For Consumer Goods

malx writes "Says the Financial Times: 'Matsushita and Sony have agreed to jointly develop the Linux operating system for digital consumer electronic products, in a highly unusual and cooperative deal between two of the fiercest rivals in the industry.' Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft." update Sorry, it's a dupe.

198 comments

  1. For more information.. by vidnet · · Score: 5, Funny

    For more information, see here.

    1. Re:For more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'd like to see a real-time barchart of duplicate posts grouped by editor.

      maybe it's time for the codemonkeys to hack their awesome perl script to automatically filter for "sameness" in an article compared against previous articles, and then make the editor click through to really post the article.

      Checking the front page is apparently way too much work.

      But this begs the question: if the /. editors consistently prove that they don't read /., what do they read?

    2. Re:For more information.. by ajs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Slashdot really needs an editor-in-cheif. It's not that they need someone to even out the stylistic content or even to fix the spelling (spalling, if you prefer), but constant streams of duplicate articles are just getting silly. Someone should at least know what's going up on the site.

      I think the problem with that is that Slashdot is essentially a congress-of-peers at the editor level, and they don't want to relegate everyone but one to "culling the crap" status while one of them coordinates and edits.

      I can sympathize, but is there any other way? Perhaps cull the crap to a "pre-post" list that we can comment on and point out duplicates and/or inaccuracies? That's been shot down before too.

    3. Re:For more information.. by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sympathize my ass. The *least* they could do is just take a friggin look at the site and see that the dupe even appears on the front page - just a few stories below.

      Its not as if this is a dupe from a few days ago - and isnt visable without searching. This is a dupe within just a few hours.

    4. Re:For more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like it, get your own site! Or stop reading this one!

    5. Re:For more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't like it, get your own site! Or stop reading this one!

    6. Re:For more information.. by Spellbinder · · Score: 0

      at least there are new links =)))
      but it would be better for editors to read their own page :p

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    7. Re:For more information.. by haggar · · Score: 2

      What I was most surpirised to see is that the dupe wasn't posted by CmdrTaco. The other guys, with the exception of Hemos and Robilmo, seemed pretty pedantic about it. Well, pedantic in Slashdot terms, at least. Notice how other similar sits, like OSNews.com and theregister.co.uk never post dupes, even though the amount of news items is about the same. Not to say that The Register has tons of original material, so the people there actually do something. And OSNews has a lot of original material, too, but there much of it is contributed by community members (which is great!).

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    8. Re:For more information.. by eli173 · · Score: 1

      So, is anyone going to make a website with counters for the number of dupes each /. editor posts?

      It might be interesting to see the counters climb.

    9. Re:For more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I knew that looked somewhat familliar.

    10. Re:For more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah! with the amount of money I pay Slashdot, I deserve better editing!!

    11. Re:For more information.. by kill-hup · · Score: 3, Informative
      Warning - OT!

      "maybe it's time for the codemonkeys to hack their awesome perl script to automatically filter for "sameness" in an article compared against previous articles, and then make the editor click through to really post the article."

      I have seen this suggested quite a few times, more often recently, and thought it might be time to point out that Slashcode CVS appears to have this feature in admin.pl:

      Similar Stories:
      Q&A With Mister Dude Monday December 16, @05:17AM dude
      Dude! Monday November 25, @11:55AM dude

      (keying on word "dude";)

      I've tested it a bit and it seems to register a few too many false positives right now. Of course, I'm sure it's just having the kinks worked out.

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    12. Re:For more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit, at least let the article scroll off the page before posting a dupe!

    13. Re:For more information.. by petecarlson · · Score: 1

      We all knew it was a dupe and yet we decided to read the comments anyway even though we knew they were just going to be complaints about dupes with a few smart ass comments here and there. Since we are reading this, it is what we wanted to read and thus we shouldn't be complaining about it... Of course that wouldn't leave us anything to read so we have to complain that we got exactly what we wanted.

  2. /.'d. Here's a mirror...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  3. Horrible Dupe by goldid · · Score: 1

    Why can't ye slashdot editors scroll down the homepage like the rest of us and see that this is a duplicate from just HOURS ago?

    1. Re:Horrible Dupe by javatips · · Score: 1

      Because they are using the latest and greatest display technology... ... Yes... they are using the brand new CGA Color Monitor from ColorScreenCo... This new monitor is capable of a resolution of 320x200 pixels in 256 colors!

    2. Re:Horrible Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CGA... is capable of a resolution of 320x200 pixels in 256 colors!

      Man, it's so sad seeing the /. crowd get so young that they don't even know what CGA is. Isn't it nap time for you, kid?

    3. Re:Horrible Dupe by sopwath · · Score: 1

      You mean 4 colors. Yeah there was dithering that made stuff kinda look like it was a different color. That was a hack.

      The monitor itself could probably do whatever a color TV can do, its the adapter that only has 4 colors.

    4. Re:Horrible Dupe by javatips · · Score: 2

      Looks like I boosted the color spec... should have written 4 colors!

    5. Re:Horrible Dupe by kyrre · · Score: 1

      That would be 320x200 with 256 colors is/was mcga. That sure brings back memories. As other posters mentioned cga was 4 awefull colors. White, black, purple and cyan if memory serves me right.

    6. Re:Horrible Dupe by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      There were at least two palettes. You could also have white, black, brown/red, and green if you wanted. There might have been as many as four palettes, but I'm not clear.

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    7. Re:Horrible Dupe by kyrre · · Score: 1

      Rigth! Hehe. Forgot about that. Those where the days. Larry, The ancient art of war, and Cat. Classics.

  4. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow

    1. Re:Wow by KarMannJRO · · Score: 1

      ...is really much like the Pope encouraging contraction!

      Gee, you mean the Pope talks like Data?

    2. Re:Wow by nigord · · Score: 0

      The Pope and the Catholic church are against many things but I do not think "contraction" is on of those...

    3. Re:Wow by tigress · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't ask me. I didn't write that thing. ;)

    4. Re:Wow by KarMannJRO · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I see they've already been over it pretty thoroughly there, yep. But no one had pointed out the obligatory Star Trek angle there yet! ;)

  5. fp by inteller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No what this shows is that Sony is using Linux as a poster child in an anti-Microsoft marketing campaign. They could give a shit about Linux, they just want to fuel the fire.

    1. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your_post != fp

    2. Re:fp by Frodo420024 · · Score: 1
      > No what this shows is that Sony is using Linux as a poster child in an anti-Microsoft marketing campaign. They could give a shit about Linux, they just want to fuel the fire.

      While this might be indeed be the case, I'm sure the techies at Sony (who BTW I have much respect for) are very happy with the development.

      But the real catch comes in a couple of years when they find Linux to be doing such a good job they'll never consider anything else. Even if they initially truely set out for 'Anything but Microsoft'.

      You know why Linux is better than drugs?

      With drugs, only the first round is free.

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    3. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You win. Slashdot is the core of the Linux International, division League of Stuttering Editors, devoted to worldwide Linux domination through the use of duplicate stories. They've hidden so far under the ruse of editorial incompetence, and they would have gotten with it too if it wasn't for darn kids like you. Pick up your sooper-spy magic decoder ring at the exit please.

  6. Frist post bitchez!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In soviet russia, post first!

  7. repeat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why oh Why cant the /. people read the page first!

  8. What is this, fark? by jerryasher · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of a repeated slashdot story, how about some boobies?

    1. Re:What is this, fark? by rmadmin · · Score: 1

      Hrm.. boobies... my only weakness. Its like that green stuff.. ya know, the Kryptonite! Or as the Blood hound gang says "HOOORAY FOR BOOOOBIES!"

    2. Re:What is this, fark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least fark will remove a story if someone calls it a dupe. Not LEAVE IT ON THE FRONT FUCKING PAGE with a stupid little message that says "It's a dupe. We're idiots, and proud of it!"

  9. First dupe? by Gothmolly · · Score: 2
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  10. Awesome duplicate post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ten points for duplicate post! Score!

  11. Oh c'mon! Would the editors read the site please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, not only is this a dup, but it's only a few articles ago that this was posted. You only need to make a little effort to catch this kind of error.

  12. It's Slashdot! by RealBeanDip · · Score: 5, Funny

    News that matters so much, we post it twice, sometimes three times.

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  13. embedded devices.. by TracerJPN_USMC · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait to brush my teeth with the first linux powered toothbrush....

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    1. Re:embedded devices.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duping a bad joke? That's just sad.

  14. Dupe Dupe by anewsome · · Score: 4, Funny

    I I think think this this is is a a dupe dupe.

    1. Re:Dupe Dupe by mystik · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think the sick part is that I didn't even realize that you repeated every word, until I noticed the "dupe dupe" at the end.

      Slashdot has me well trained

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    2. Re:Dupe Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didnt realize it either at first. Strange character/word-filters in our brains or something :-)

    3. Re:Dupe Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very strane, I didn't notice it also until the dupe dupe. Obviously short words/errors can be filtered out by the brain :)

    4. Re:Dupe Dupe by Natalie's+Hot+Grits · · Score: 1

      Same here...

      thats wierd!

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    5. Re:Dupe Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You You forgot forgot the the dot dot at at the the ending ending of of your your line line . .

  15. Duplicate!!! by netsharc · · Score: 0, Redundant

    For maximum irony, please mark this comment "Redundant".

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    1. Re:Duplicate!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ROFL. Whoever modded that sure had a sense of humor.

    2. Re:Duplicate!!! by EnglishTim · · Score: 1

      Moderator, I love you!

  16. Developing Linux? by GeckoFood · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, these two electronics behemoths will be building a Linux platform for consumer electronics. This will be another embedded version of Linux then. How will this be different from, say, BlueCat? BlueCat is an embedded Linux development platform and has the embedded kernel, plus the cross compiler and all the goodies you need. It targets multiple processors, too. Will there be any advantage to this new system over existing products?

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    1. Re:Developing Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Please don't discuss the story. Just complain about the dupe.

    2. Re:Developing Linux? by tsa · · Score: 2

      Mustn't you supply a copy of the GPL with your sig?

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  17. BotSequitur V1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non Sequitur \Non seq"ui*tur\ [L., it does not follow]
    n 1: a reply that has no relevance to what preceded it

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  18. In other news LOTR The Two Towers in theaters by Mothra+the+III · · Score: 2, Funny

    and we will soon be seeing Linux in consumer electronics.

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  19. Re:Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does your mom have a bumper-sticker that says "Caution! Script Kiddie on board!"?

  20. Sony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservative of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraction!

    1. Re:Sony by jcast · · Score: 2

      You mean is it a story about the Sony that's Helping Us, or about the Sony that's Trying to Kill Us?

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  21. Wow by tigress · · Score: 4, Funny

    While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraction!

    (Score:5, Interesting)

    O =)

  22. This has to be a joke by mao+che+minh · · Score: 2

    You guys have to be planning all of these dupes, right? Big joke, big ha-ha?

    1. Re:This has to be a joke by JPelorat · · Score: 2

      This just may be the earliest ever planning for an April Fool's Day prank..

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    2. Re:This has to be a joke by red_dragon · · Score: 2

      Indeed, I think that the next April Fools' Day joke will be... No Dupes!

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  23. feature request: user moderated articles by japer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There should be a way to moderate articles themselves (like posters comments) that way, if
    an article was modded to -10000 dupe, it wouldn't show up on my front page - if I'm logged in of course.

    1. Re:feature request: user moderated articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I liked that feature better the first time I heard of it.

  24. I Am Cringing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm already cringing at what I *know* is going to happen. They're going to release some stuff - exactly what they're obligated to - under the GPL. But other stuff - say DRM - will certainly NOT be under the GPL. Then there's going to be such a hoopla and whining in forums such as this one even though these companies have done exactly what they're obligated to. "They should give back to the community", etc, ad nauseum, and some people will be wondering why, if the open/free software implies some sort of larger obligation to a community, why these weren't written into the licenses.

  25. I'm sorry... by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Funny
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  26. Good Old Speculation by n3rd · · Score: 2

    Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft.

    I don't see how anything said in the article shows they are "scared of Microsoft". Not only that but the article goes on to mention Sony will still be using Windows on the Vaio. If they were truly "afraid" of Microsoft they would dump Windows.

    Maybe it's just me but the price and flexability of Linux made them choose it over Microsoft's products. In this case tt is a smart business decision both from a financial and technical standpoint.

    Perhaps I'm just an optimist.

    1. Re:Good Old Speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They use Windows for 2 reasons:

      1) They want to sell these things, they figure they make more money per unit than Mirosoft.

      2) They paid for it anyway.

  27. Does your mom have a bumper sticker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... just above your car seat that says, "CAUTION! Script Kiddie ON BOARD!"

    Hmm?

    1. Re:Does your mom have a bumper sticker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does your mom have a retarded kid who posts the same joke twice?

  28. How many dupes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would say that between 10%-20% of front page posts on /. are dupes. I mean MPAA is a bad, so is it really news everything they screw some person or company over or take away our rights? What is left to discuss? Same although to a lesser degree with Mirosoft.

  29. slashdot loves sony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whats with the geek love of sony? they are a member of RIAA and the MPAA after all.

  30. Shortest dupe distance. by pyrrhos · · Score: 1

    Probably the shortest Story Dupe Distance: 7 stories

    1. Re:Shortest dupe distance. by saider · · Score: 1

      I believe the shortest was a couple months back when Taco posted a dupe 4 articles later. They were both visible without scrolling on an 800x600 screen.

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  31. Come on!! by tpurcell · · Score: 1

    Linux for Home Electronics
    Posted by michael on Wednesday December 18, @08:26AM

    Hmmmm... Where have I seen this before?
    Score 0, Redundant.

  32. Impressive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Dear SlashDolts,

    A dup of a story on the same day and still on your own front page?!?!

    You've out-done even yourselves. I'm... impressed.

  33. Solutions to dupe problem? by Greedo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think we all agree that the duped article problem is only getting worse. Funny, but i don't remember see any articles duped in 2001 or earlier. Did something change at OSDN that might explain this?

    Anyway ... a simple check of any URLs posted in a new article against URLs in the previous month's articles would go along way to eliminating dupes. However, it wouldn't have caught this one, since the original article linked to a Sony press release, and this one links to a news site reporting the release.

    So what other ways (besides forcing a manual check) can we build into the slash code to help stop this in the future, before an article is posted? A comparison of similar words? Or do we add something for after-the-fact moderation: article meta-moderators who can delete an article if it's found to be a dupe?

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    1. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'editors' have to fucking get brains, I think.
      So, if you want to avoid this find another site. If they found brains, this WOULD be another site all of a sudden.

    2. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by goon+america · · Score: 2
      How about amazing glance-at-own-site technology? Maybe a read-over-what-you've-just-written-you-dummy perl script?

      Maybe we're not thinking on the right level. Remember that early episode of the Simpsons where they all went to Dr. Monroe and he let them give each other (too many) electric shocks? Something like that.

    3. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

      So what other ways (besides forcing a manual check) can we build into the slash code to help stop this in the future, before an article is posted?

      Any editor posting a dupe will:
      1. Have hot grits poured down his pants
      2. Be forced to use goatse as his desktop wallpaper
      3. Be sent someplace cold IN SOVIET RUSSIA.
      4. Problem solved
      5. ...???...
      6. Profit!!!

    4. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by PD · · Score: 1

      How about a Bayesian filter? Everything that gets posted can be marked as "SPAM" by the user, and put into the SPAM filter's database. Then, when you get a new story, you just run it through the filter to see if it marks it as SPAM. If it does, you look a little closer to see if it's a dupe.

      You'd have to change the filter database to only keep the last N days worth of postings but that's no big deal.

    5. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by PD · · Score: 1

      Whoops, I just realized that I put spam in all caps. SPAM is a delicious luncheon meat product by Hormel. The word I was looking for is "spam" all lower case.

    6. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by FroMan · · Score: 1

      How'a'bout this: Make a dupe icon... then all duplicate stories get posted under that. Then for everyone who doesn't want dupes they can just filter those out.

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    7. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by mbouchard · · Score: 1

      Should'nt the editors be also Slashdot's readers? If this was the case, they would'nt post duplicates for at least a week interval.

      I remember myself seeing duplicates of stories over a year apart. These are normal, but within a week...

      I recommend an improvement to the slashcode: an editor cannot post new articles until he has read every articles for the past week. I am sure that the slashcode monitors what readers read, right?

      I don't think that a journalist with basic professionalism value would have a problem with that. It is normal to perform some research before publishing.

    8. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allow moderators to subtract karma from editors who post duplicate stories; let the editors sort out how to avoid it.

    9. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by miltimj · · Score: 5, Informative
      Is it that difficult to read the FAQ?

      For your convenience:

      Sometimes I see duplicate stories on Slashdot. What's up with that?

      These are just mistakes on the part of the staff. They happen. We have posted over ten thousand stories in our history. The occasional duplicate is inevitable.

      If you see a duplicate, you can mail the story's author. If the story is still quiet, we may pull it down. However, once the comments are rolling in, we often leave the story up so that the discussion can continue.

      Some people have suggested that there might be a software solution to this problem. If you think you've got one, visit the Slashcode site and submit a diff. As long as it isn't a performance hit, I'd consider using it. (Be aware however that the trick of searching for duplicate URLs isn't as helpful as you might think, since the same story can appear in multiple locations.)

      Answered by: CmdrTaco
      Last Modified: 10/28/00

      Why don't people quit complaining about duplicate articles and actually do something to solve it? (see above)

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    10. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's cool! By complaining wildly and fervently about the dupe, we keep the dupe up! Seems like we should only blame ourselves. (says the anon coward)

    11. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5) Editor will be CowboyNeal'ed until broken down, then reassembled .. then broken down again .. and, time permiting, reassembled as a beowolf cluster

    12. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by shaitand · · Score: 2

      Do you have any idea how many articles that really is? I don't know about you, but the default anybody page is puny compared to what loads when I view slashdot, I get a whole slew of articles in various categories I have selected in my preferences (as well as a goatseload of boxes full of yet more along the side of my screen).

    13. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by MikeDX · · Score: 1

      1. In Soviet Russia.. DUPES POST YOU!

      2. ????

      3. IN SOVIET RUSSIA... Beowulf imagines a cluster profit of YOU!

    14. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be a technical solution to a human problem. Why is it that most newspapers / other websites / pretty much any other media source on the planet doesn't have this problem? They have EDITORS.

    15. Re:Solutions to dupe problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before the editors can get a brain, they have to even EXIST first! Slashdot obviously has no editorial oversight whatsoever. Sounds like a Malda problem to me...

  34. Soviet sad man is saying: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i am sad that instead of a repeated slashdot story, how about some boobies :*( ?

    1. Re:Soviet sad man is saying: by jck2000 · · Score: 1

      I was Rollerblading in Central Park (NYC) back in '95 or so and bought a Snapple from a push-cart vender, apparently from the former Soviet Union. As I left, I gave him a peppy circa-'95 yuppy scum "Have a good day!" to which he responded "I haff no good day." It bummed me out for a quarter lap.

  35. Don't believe the PR guy... by Sir+Network · · Score: 1

    Looks like they're not trying to win over the Linux zealot with their PR departments. From the article:

    "We are not forming an alliance to compete against Microsoft," said a Matsushita representative.

    No matter what the Matsushita rep says, this *is* meant to distance themselves from Microsoft and save cash.
    It's nice to see them helping out embedded Linux development. Of course, in the process, they are giving Linux a powerful ally in a new arena, but they want this to appear as if creating competition in Microsoft's market is an unintended consequence.

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  36. Sony by Skraut · · Score: 2, Funny

    Because I don't have time to read the story twice: Is this story about the Good Sony (The Linux on PS2 Sony) or the Bad Sony (one of the cornerstones of the RIAA)

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  37. Why Should You Care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, why should we? My job is to design, implement, and administer networks for customers. Some of these are quite large networks and some are small but they all have one thing in common: in order to take care of them I have to understand the way all the components work. Ahhh.... I just heard a penny drop.

    I spec Cisco routers and switches because I understand how they work and know that they will do the job. The customer doesn't have to pay me to spend time figuring out how to fix a problem; once I know what the problem is the chances are I can put a fix in quickly. Often without leaving my office! This saves the client money and, not coincidentally, makes me look good.

    If Sony puts Linux into a device then I already have a better chance at understanding how to make that device work than if some engineer had designed his (or her) own idea for a cool command set.

    And because Sony now doesn't have to put all that extra money into designing the OS, that means that their products will cost less. I can put their products into a network and save money on both ends: the procurement end and the administration end. This makes Cisco scramble to lower prices to keep market share. So even if we don't use Linux devices, the costs for networks goes down just because these devices are out there.

    In short, I care what the underlying OS is on these devices because I don't have to learn a zillion different commands for the same things and I can, therefore, do my job quicker and more efficiently. You should care because when you get a job at a company you can hire me to do your network and look good when we save you money.

    1. Re:Why Should You Care? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      k, so you're saying that you want to replace a steady, reliable, enterprise ready Cisco router with a Linux based Sony router that is on the bleeding edge, as well as running an OS that has not been optimized for it's task, just to save money? I'm tempted to suggest that your customers would be better off with someone that knows the difference.

      besides, your logic is fuzzy. I haven't seen MS, Novell or any of the others reduce their prices simply because Linux is available... nor have I seen Adobe dropping prices due to the GIMP being available.

  38. Its not "scare" by vivek7006 · · Score: 0

    Companies make decisions on the basis of maximising their profit. Mebbe using linux makes more business sense. So dont jump your gun saying "they r scared of microsoft", everytime something related with linux comes up.

  39. Duplications and Introductions by smackdotcom · · Score: 5, Funny


    Timothy, Michael.

    Michael, Timothy.

    I just thought that you gentlemen might want to be introduced to one another, since you seem to share tastes in reading material.

    I mean, for pity's sake, as of my writing this, it's still on the front page.

    --

    In a world without walls, there is no need for Windows.

    1. Re:Duplications and Introductions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're really the same person with multiple personalities. That's why they never remember what the other posted (and at times what THEY posted themselves)

  40. DDuuppee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    local echo OFF, bitch.

  41. Sony rep. addresses this exact point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tom Shorl, a product development manager with Sony spoke to Sony's dedication to the Linux market at a conference in Minneapolis this past summer. He's posted the text of those remarks, and some elaboration on them, on his own site, linked above.

    Enjoy!

    1. Re:Sony rep. addresses this exact point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was...informative. If a picture is worth a thousand words.

  42. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by CmdrTypo · · Score: 1

    story dupes YOU!

  43. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Electronic Arts may be the next Disney!
    Metrowerks, a division of Motorola, is acquiring Lineo. Not to worry, however, as Sony and Matsushita (Pioneer to the folks from the states) are developing Linux for Consumer goods. Microsoft seems to be phasing out Hailstorm. MSNBC has a story up right now about counterfeit escrow accounts; Red Hat is making money! Some sysadmins get mad and trash their servers when they quit. The RIAA gives us more FUD. Linux is secure and Pioneer 10 still talks! The remains of Amelia Aerheart's plane have been found in the Hudson River. The Two Towers is out-- Al Qaida is furious. You can now stream nude movies of yourself via a napster-like interface! Oh, and, Sony and Matsushita (Pioneer to the folks from the states) are developing Linux for Consumer goods.

    I hope this covers the dupe quota for a VERY LONG TIME. I'm not paying all of this nothing for nothing, you know.

  44. Funny you can get dupes on /. by usurper_ii · · Score: 1
    But you can't get a news story going on here that doesn't come from Wired, News.com, or the NYT!

    Usurper_ii

    Hoping to do what MTV did for music -- man I hope NOT -- Blackbelt
    TV hopes to launch a 24-hour martial arts channel. Offering nearly 15,000 hours of popular martial-arts films, fights to be hosted by gorgeous female fight jocks, and rumors of having anime in their line-up ...this sounds like if you have an ass, this channel will kick it. Maybe we could put Slashdot to good use here and let everyone know to be sure and request this channel from their local cable company, DirecTV, and Dish network!

    1. Re:Funny you can get dupes on /. by Kintanon · · Score: 2

      ME WANT! If this gets carried by my cable company I WILL get cable again!

      Kintanon

      --
      Check out JoshJitsu.info for Brazilian Ji
  45. A great site for Slashdot editors... by EnglishTim · · Score: 2

    ... it's called 'Slashdot'. You should read it sometime.

  46. Good Job! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since the story is a dupe, we might as well dupe the comments, too.

  47. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  48. No doubt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A dupe from a week prior is one thing, but a dupe from 7 articles earlier (easily still on the main page) is uncalled for. Not to mention the fact that this seems to happen on a daily basis.

  49. Wow, just like foreign governments... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sony and Matsushita (too lazy to check spelling) seem to have caught in on a global craze, (as reported in a number of stories previously posted here), wherein certain foreign governments threatened to 'go open source' and use 'free software such as Linux'. Such posturing seems silly...it could never work...they'd see right through us...

    Not months later, each of these countries managed to secure some earth-shattering deal wherein Microcrap would give them ludicrously cheap pricing, donate money/computers/etc to schools, and paint each citizen's fence the colors of the MSN butterfly.

    Maybe If I threaten to switch to the Euro, my government will send me free money.

    It's the old "I don't care if I lose money, as long as my competitor doesn't make money" scam.

    JamesC

  50. Slashdot Poll - Top Slashdot Beefs by Mothra+the+III · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dupes
    Slashdot gets slashdotted
    Bitching about Karma Whores
    Dupes
    Beowulf clusters, first post and Soviet Russia
    Cowboy Neal gets duped

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    Worst. Sig. Ever.
  51. Since you're here, some worthwhile reading by mao+che+minh · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    Antivirus companies have named Klez as the most prolific virus of 2002.

    Story at NewsFactor

  52. HIghly cooperative effort by zurab · · Score: 5, Funny

    To jumpstart their highly cooperative effort, and in an attempt to appease to many geeks, both Sony and Matsushita submitted news stories to Slashdot.org, a geek terrorist hangout.

    After both stories made the front page of the outlaw website, Sony and Matsushita expressed doubts about the level of cooperation.

    "If we can't get this right, how are we going to resolve more complex issues?" said Matsushita representative.

    Sony representative made a similar point, adding that the two companies will go back to being fierce rivals again.

  53. Worst Karma Whore EVER by gosand · · Score: 1
    Here are the top responses from the first time this was posted, to save you from having to go check...

    While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraction!

    It makes good business sense to use GPL-ed software when you want to devise a new product. 1. Low cost or no cost. 2. If you give geeks a chance to play with it, they can start to tell regular people how it works, why they should get it, etc. 3. Since most "regular" people don't care or don't want to know why it works the way it does, if the people who care why it works (geeks), show others that it just works, others will be inclined to buy that product. The moral: Most people will buy something if it simply works. Sony and Panasonic are letting us make sure it works before they mass- release.

    I'm already cringing at what I *know* is going to happen. They're going to release some stuff - exactly what they're obligated to - under the GPL. But other stuff - say DRM - will certainly NOT be under the GPL. Then there's going to be such a hoopla and whining in forums such as this one even though these companies have done exactly what they're obligated to. "They should give back to the community", etc, ad nauseum, and some people will be wondering why, if the open/free software implies some sort of larger obligation to a community, why these weren't written into the licenses.

    I got so carried away with my own rhetoric that I neglected to tie it in to home electronics so here goes: Thirty years ago anyone who understood electronics theory and vacuum tubes could fix any home electronic device. Simply understanding how electronic circuits worked meant that a tech could move from one device to another. And manufacturers didn't have to design a new theory for each device, they just wired up the vacuum tubes in new ways which were still understandable. All a tech had to do was look at the schematic diagram, apply a few standard tools (oscilloscope, VTVM, signal injector, etc.) and he (or she) could make it work. So if Sony uses Linux in its latest widget and you understand Linux, you'll understand how your widget works and how to get the most out of your widget. Plus, since Sony didn't have to design a brand new widget-operating-system, you will either be able to buy it cheaper than the Samsung widget or it will do more... or both. And if your widget breaks you won't have to buy a new one, you can just flash the bios and make it just like new. So putting widely known operating systems into devices saves money for both the manufacturer and the consumer. This makes us all happier and a few of us wealthier. If you learn Linux, and Linux is the OS they put in all these devices, you have a better chance of joining that few. :)

    I don't. I care about whether it is open. Do it use free, open standards, protocols, etc.? That's what is important. What I'm talking about is http://sincerechoice.org/ [sincerechoice.org].

    --

    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

    1. Re:Worst Karma Whore EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thirty years ago anyone who understood electronics theory and vacuum tubes could fix any home electronic device. Simply understanding how electronic circuits worked meant that a tech could move from one device to another.

      This certainly doesn't happen today, now the parts can cost more than the original device and the skilled labor to do the fixing is expensive. The mantra today is: throw it out! If the device doesn't work, it goes in the bin. Even if the fix is as simple as resoldering something. Why should this be different for the software in the device than for hardware? Consumers don't care about the hardware, why should they suddenly care for the software in it?

      Being free, open and all that is good for software, but in consumer devices nobody cares but maybe a few of geeks on Slashdot. What is your case to make the link from software freedom to consumer device freedom?

  54. Pref by sporty · · Score: 2

    They should create a pref to put all dupes in just so I can turn it off.

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    ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only

  55. Duped again? by carlos_benj · · Score: 1

    Our story was posted on the /. in the alternate universe as well as our own. The rift is widening. We should be able to invade soon.

    --

    --

    As a matter of fact, I am a lawyer. But I play an actor on TV.

  56. "Sorry, it's a dupe." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean to say, "Sorry, I'm a dope".

    And to think, only last week I was posting defending messages on behalf of the editors for posting duplicate articles. But after less than a week of checking this site and seeing the frequency of duplicate articles being ran, I'm now sorry to say all the offenders have an extremely valid point.

    Is it really that hard for the editors to check the main page of their own website prior to approving and article?

  57. Question by tmark · · Score: 5, Funny

    Exactly how much did VA Linux pay for you guys ?

    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too much. And more than once, apparently.

    2. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would go so far to say that VA Linux _REPEATEDLY_ pays too much for these guys..

    3. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the reasoning you're looking for is "Tax Write-Off." :)

    4. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wish they'd tax them right off the face of the earth

  58. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FP fails you!

  59. BUT... by luuc · · Score: 0

    But Sony are evil!!!!

  60. We Should Have Seen This Coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This really shouldn't be a surprise from Sony, even if the alliance with Matsushita is unexpected. Microsoft is muscling their way into the living room a little at a time with media enhanced PCs on one end and XBox on the other, which not only steps on Sony's turf today, but must certainly stand in front of Sony's plans for tomorrow. The threat to Sony is very, very clear.

    Sure, Sony ships Windows on their PCs... it'd be death at this stage of the game not to. But don't be surprised to see Sony getting warmer to the idea of Linux on the desktop as the distros continue to improve. I'm quite certain that Sony realizes that every copy of Windows shipped helps feed the monster in their path.

    You can learn a lot from old Godzilla movies. :)

  61. dupe joke by theperplepigg · · Score: 1
    here.

    --paul

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    -- Every time you kill a kitten, God masturbates.
  62. Weapons Inspectors To Visit U.S. +1, Patriotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before Declaring U.S. in violation of U.N. Security Council Resolutions:

    CANADIANS TO LEAD WEAPONS INSPECTION TEAM INTO USA

    November 21, 2002

    (Toronto) - A coalition of Canadian peace groups today
    announced their intention to send an international team of
    volunteer weapons inspectors into the United States later
    this winter. The coalition, Rooting Out Evil, are recruiting
    inspectors through their newly launched website,
    Routing Out Evil
    .
    "Our action has been inspired by none other than George W.
    Bush," said Christy Ferguson, a spokesperson for the group.
    "The Bush administration has repeatedly declared that the
    most dangerous rogue nations are those that:
    1) have massive stockpiles of chemical, biological, andnuclear weapons;
    2) ignore due process at the United Nations;
    3) refuse to sign and honour international treaties; and
    4) have come to power through illegitimate means.
    "On the basis of President Bush's guidelines, it is clear
    that the current U.S. administration poses a great threat to
    global security," said Ferguson. "We're following Bush's
    lead and demanding that the U.S. grant our inspectors
    immediate and unfettered access to any site in the country -
    including all presidential compounds - so that we can
    identify the weapons of mass destruction in this rogue
    state," added David Langille.
    Visitors to Rooting Out Evil's website are invited to sign
    on as honorary members of the weapons inspection team.
    Honorary inspectors can participate in the action, or they
    can simply lend the support of their name as they would on a
    petition. The actual inspection team that crosses the
    border will be comprised of prominent individuals from
    Canada and other countries.
    The Rooting Out Evil coalition includes Greenpeace Canada,
    the Centre for Social Justice, and the Toronto Committee
    Against War and Sanctions on Iraq, and is supported by
    American groups such as the National Network to End the War
    Against Iraq, Global Exchange and the US section of the
    Women's International League for Peace and Freedom. They
    oppose the development, storage, and use of weapons of mass
    destruction by any state.--For information: David Langille or Christy Ferguson
    info@rootingoutevil.orgDavid Langille, Director of Public Affairs
    CENTRE FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE489 College Street, Suite 303Toronto, OntarioM6G 1A5
    Tel: 416-927-0777 x225Fax: 416-927-7771Toll free: 1-888-803-8881
    Email: langille@socialjustice.orgWebsite: http://www.socialjustice.org
    Not interested in a war against Iraq?

    Become a Weapons Inspector

    Cheers,
    Woot

  63. For additional info by Spunk · · Score: 2

    Similar article located here.

  64. I'll give you more information.. by am_human2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Get off your ass and type some code then...

    Quoted from the FAQ for all you lazy people. [*]


    Sometimes I see duplicate stories on Slashdot. What's up with that?

    If you see a duplicate, you can mail the story's author. If the story is still quiet, we may pull it down. However, once the comments are rolling in, we often leave the story up so that the discussion can continue.

    Some people have suggested that there might be a software solution to this problem. If you think you've got one, visit the Slashcode site and submit a diff. As long as it isn't a performance hit, I'd consider using it. (Be aware however that the trick of searching for duplicate URLs isn't as helpful as you might think, since the same story can appear in multiple locations.)

    Answered by: CmdrTaco
    Last Modified: 10/28/00


    [*] Also known as /. readers

    1. Re:I'll give you more information.. by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      How about a somewhat more simple solution: allow the deletion of stories by editors. They always seem to notice that it's a dupe *after* they post it... so allow them to delete it when they do notice! End of problem.

    2. Re:I'll give you more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ummm.. the quote from the FAQ is actually pretty lame.

      It sounds kind of whiny. I mean VA _SOFTWARE_ isn't paying _ME_ to write _SOFTWARE_...

      Instead of searching for a programatic solution to eliminate dupes, why don't they pay someone to review the content of the site. They could call this person an Editor, and they would play a similar role as is common in the print media.

      Then, as a tool for the Editor, an automatic keyword cross reference is performed. The editor is presented with a ranked list of similar articles from past history, and it is the editors responsibility to review the ranked list and make sure what they are posting is unique.

      As far as the actual cross reference search, maybe they could hire an individual who can write software. This person would probably be called a Software Engineer, and they are commonly used whenever software needs to be written.

    3. Re:I'll give you more information.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      they only notice that it's a dupe when they read the comments that get posted telling them that it's a dupe.

      by that point, the comment firestorm has started, and it is /. policy not to delete duplicate articles that are generating a lot of comments. Now moving the article off the front page and into the special Dupes section, that's something I can get behind!

    4. Re:I'll give you more information.. by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      and it is /. policy not to delete duplicate articles that are generating a lot of comments

      Why? They're pretty much all negative, unhelpful comments anyway, and they could merely remove the story's link from the front page, whilst keeping the story accessible, so the people posting all their comments could continue to participate.

    5. Re:I'll give you more information.. by JPelorat · · Score: 2

      Well, perhaps they should buy mice with scroll wheels on them instead of blinky distracting lights or buttons shaped like boobies.

      --
      Hokey statistics and ancient misconceptions are no match for a good thought in your head, kid!
    6. Re:I'll give you more information.. by dillon_rinker · · Score: 2

      Ummm...did you even read the post you replied to? Or the FAQ on the topic? Which was quoted in the post you replied to? Apparently not. Here's the bit that's relevant to your comment:

      "If the story is still quiet, we may pull it down. However, once the comments are rolling in, we often leave the story up so that the discussion can continue."

    7. Re:I'll give you more information.. by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      Yes but when the discussion consists almost exclusively of (circa) 10 regurgitated ideas about how we could avoid dupe posts, I think that's a rather stupid policy. There's no 'lively debate' going on, and they could still keep the story active so the discussion could continue, and just not link to it from the front page.

    8. Re:I'll give you more information.. by pclminion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Get off your ass and type some code then...

      Just because a technical solution is theoretically possible doesn't mean it's the right way to solve the problem.

      The correct solution is for the editors to actually give a shit about their own site. Duplicate stories are not only irritating, they are disheartening. Everytime I see one I picture Taco (or whoever posted it) sitting around drooling on himself.. Probably laughing at how he can sit around and fuck off and get payed for it. It really pisses me off. If I let myself get away with such shit-poor work I'd kill myself.

  65. Instead of this dupe... by haggar · · Score: 1

    ..Slashdot should post the news that Google has opened the specs to their APIs!

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    Sigged!
    1. Re:Instead of this dupe... by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 2

      So you posted this to the queue, eh? Read the guidelines!

      --
      Comparing it to Windows will be a moot point, since El Dorado is going to have a 40% larger code base than XP.
    2. Re:Instead of this dupe... by haggar · · Score: 1

      No no no, I was just joking. I thought people would know it, after that story got posted 3 TIMES! ..or... or was yours a joke, too?

      --
      Sigged!
  66. Slashdot Dupe Campaign by EnglishTim · · Score: 2

    follow my .sig...

  67. Dupe solution by hermescom · · Score: 1
    Slashdot already checks how long you've had the comment form loaded before letting you post. It also checks that you don't post comments too often by remembering when you posted last and enforcing a cooldown period.

    I think that for site editors, there should be a "clue-in" period, of about 10 minutes, starting when they first load the front page, during which they would not be allowed into the submission queue, giving them a chance to read the day's stories so far.

    Ideally, there would also be some javascript onBlur handler that maked the timer stop when the page is not in the forground.

  68. Here's a thought... by SilentReproach · · Score: 2, Funny
    How about we start keeping track of how many dupes each editor posts...this one counts for Timothy. Senor Taco gets a tally for the AOL post yesterday.

    Or, how about a new topic: "Duplicate Stories". This way, if we enjoy dupes, we can read them. Otherwise, we can exclude the Dupe topic.

    Oh, wait, what if we get dupes in the "Duplicate Stories" category?

    --
    Religion is the opium of the people. Evolution is the opium of scientists.
  69. Why can't we all just get along? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if we could just get the slashdot posters to work together on not duplicating stories, we'd be well on our way to Utopia.

  70. Jesus Christ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This takes the cake. A dupe of an article that still appears on the same fucking page. Do the so called Slashdot editors even read their own fucking website? Do you have to officially be a retard to be able to be a slashdot editor?

  71. I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Having to use the mount command to get bread into your toaster.

    Rebuilding the kernel in your microwave oven to display temps in Centigrade.

    Bragging that the usage patterns of your mew Linux-powered vibrator can't be spied on as easily as the latest, Windows-powered, MS X-Vibe.

    Not being able to get the icemaker in your fridge to work, since there's no Linux driver for it.

  72. Trolls:1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot:0

  73. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  74. Headline permutations by Luxury+P.+Yacht · · Score: 1
    I'm looking forward to these upcoming stories:

    Linux Backed by Sony, Matsushita For Consumer Goods
    For Consumer Goods Sony, Matsushita Back Linux
    For Consumer Goods Linux is Backed by Sony, Matsushita
    Back Linux For Consumer Goods? Sony and Matsushita!
    Sony, Matsushita Back Linux For Consumer Goods and Great Glory

    --
    Bush should have died, not Reagan -- Morrissey
    Morrissey rides a cockhorse -- The Warlock Pinchers
  75. wrong OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    They should have chosen BSD instead because it's not contaminated with the GPL virus.

  76. Another Home Depot? by titaniam · · Score: 1

    I'll believe it when the gadgets are in my hands. Could it be that these announcements are just used as bargaining chips during the regular meetings with the friendly software licensing department at Microsoft? This smells too much like the Home Depot fiasco reported in slashback yesterday.

  77. damn you're disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why don't you and Taco just go get a room where you can lick his ass all you want.. we don't want to see that shit

  78. Don't be a jackass. by glrotate · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slashdot posts about a dozen articles a day. If you factored in 5 minutes to verify the link, skim the article, and check for dupes it would total 60 MINUTES A DAY of work!

    Given the value of their stock options, don't you think they've got better things to do?

    1. Re:Don't be a jackass. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After a careful analysis of the graph, I have concluded that VA Software will make a stunning comeback, in 2937! Assuming that intelligent monkeys don't take over and steer the company into recovery sooner!

    2. Re:Don't be a jackass. by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Know why they call him Commander Taco? Because that's all they can afford to pay him...3 plates of tacos daily. Taco Bell tacos, no less.

      Man, I had no idea VA's stock was so low. If that was an EKG they be running for the paddles.

  79. What a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's their business, and their responsibility.

    Don't drag me into this "quit complaining and get off your ass" crap because guess what: I HAVE A JOB.

    1. Re:What a joke by shaitand · · Score: 2

      It is their buisness, it is their responsibility, slashdot is not free contrary to what some people believe there is a buisness plan here. But you having a job really is beside the point. The whole point of OSS is that if you don't like something you can change it. It works because if enough people don't like something someone WILL change it. Whether or not you do anything when your not you do things outside the OSS world has nothing to do with whether or not your whinny ass is bitching about things you don't like in a system you could fix instead of bitching about.

  80. Not quite a dupe by BlueEar · · Score: 1

    C'mon the first penguin was not holding a phone and a briefcase. So it's not quite a dupe, right???

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    A religious war is an adult version of a fight over who has the best imaginary friend
  81. Wow by Do+not+eat · · Score: 1

    While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraception!

  82. Matsushita by conduit4 · · Score: 1

    I took a Matsushita like you wouldnt believe yesterday. I had to give a courtesy flush.

  83. Karma Building Tip. by mshiltonj · · Score: 2

    You get karma from slashdot everything a story you submitted gets posted.

    To build your karma quickly, just submit, under your account, every story that get posted to slashdot. At the going rate of double-posts, the law of averages predicts that your karma will build quickly.

    The previous post of this article was only seven hours ago!

  84. Nice Troll... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 2

    "Interesting because Sony and Matsushita are bitter foes: this shows they're even more scared of Microsoft"

    Um no, this does not 'show they're even more scared of Microsoft'. Sony has always been the type of company to try to control every little aspect of any product they make. In a case like this, they can control the OS.

    Sony doesn't like sharing their pie. It has nothing to do with 'fear of Microsoft'.

  85. Re:Ambrose Bierce already explained this by adamnit8 · · Score: 1

    I think this quote from the Devil's Dictionary describes this alliance best.

    ALLIANCE, n.
    In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted in each other's pockets that they cannot separately plunder a third.

  86. Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 55 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

  87. duped! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the Sony's have lived in the modern world for awhile, and have gotten it, as well as being on both sides of it, Matsuhita electric is perhaps the most traditional and conservitive of Japanese companies. I have known these people (Matsushita) for much of my life, from some of their board members down. This is an organization so steeped in it's own traditions and dogma (yes, they really do have a "250 year" business plan, and never make fun of the founders light bulb socket :), with engineering departments so conservitivily organized, that for them to support open development of GPL software is really much like the Pope encouraging contraception!

  88. Give /. a Break! by YetAnotherName · · Score: 1

    After all, in Soviet Russia, you don't read duplicate articles, articles duplicate you!

  89. HAHAHAHA by MortisUmbra · · Score: 1

    Oh I do so love the smell of a good owning in the evening.

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  90. Suggestion by Audacious · · Score: 1

    Why not have the scripts which allow the post in the first place to scan the last X number of articles? Like 100 or so. If the old post contains a link to the same place as the current post, it notifies the poster before allowing them to post (ie: both the preview and submit buttons do this). The poster could be allowed to override the computer for whatever reason - but at least the notice (and appropriate HTTP URL) would be available to the user.

    Also, it would be useful for posting follow-ups as well since the poster would not have to spend time searching for the original post. It would just be presented to them.

    I see two ways to set up such a database.

    1. Post -> URL

    and

    2. URL -> Post

    #2 would be better since then the URL is only used once. Since record IDs are only 4 bytes (SlashDot hasn't gone past 2 Billion messages yet has it?) this method takes up less space than #1 and provides a complete list of where the URL was used. #2 could actually be URL->Post#1,Post#2,Post#3,etc....

    Just a thought. :-)

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  91. mini rant about dupes by darxpryte · · Score: 1

    I guess I wouldn't mind dupes so much except, besides the redundancy, for every dupe that gets posted there's probably about 20 valid and informative stories that get rejected so instead of something that is news you get more cruft.

    It wouldn't be that bad if it was a slow news day but I don't think at /. any day is a slow news day as far as submissions go. It'll be nice if someday a solution for this pops up.

  92. -1 Redundant by runlvl0 · · Score: 2


    This is a duplicate of the above post.

    Golly, it must be hard to keep up with everything posted on this site.

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  93. Duplicates by agenthh · · Score: 1

    It is said in the FAQ that you guys might include a duplicate checker *IF* it didn't have a performance hit. Well, I would believe that this whole comment section for this article is just that. A performance hit. SOMEONE FIX THE DUPLICATES! It couldn't be worse than a fix. And seeing... not one, but TWO!!!!! articles on the front page. --agenthh

  94. Japanese Business Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember taking an Economic Geography course at my college, and my professor told us that at one point in the not-so-distant-past, some head-honcho in the Japanese government (sorry I don't know his name or title, but he was involved in foreign policy/economics) stated that his (and therefore the Japanese Government's) main goal in life was to "break the backbone of the US economy".
    I know that a lot of people here hate Microsoft, but I feel that these Japanese companies care less about hurting MS and more about hurting US companies.

    I agree with the parent ... these Japanese companies don't give a shit about linux (or MS for that matter), they just want to hurt any US companies that they can.

    1. Re:Japanese Business Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man I hope you're right, because the only logical conclusion is that the Japanese found Linux the superior business solution and considered it a competitive advantage.

    2. Re:Japanese Business Model by inteller · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that was really a post WWII mentality. I think since the burst of the late 80s real estate bubble over there the Japanese have realized the err of their ways and are reflecting on what is best for them. Breaking the US backbone, or breaking even. I hope they settle for the latter and don't try to do the former.

  95. My big question ... by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 3

    Does OSDN actually PAY these "editor" guys ??

  96. What MS should do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really, what MS should be do is:

    Release a license-free WinCE kernel whose cost is a one time fee instead of ongoing license. Companies like Sony would pay a quarter million for an OS they could own and customize. What is more important than their skimpy CE revenue is that MS keep developers in their camp. If Japanese companies and China continue widespread adoption of Linux, many MS developers will begin learning Linux skills to take advantage of these emerging markets.

    Steve said it himself: developers. developers. developers.

    As a Windows developer, the case for researching and adding Linux to my skillset is increasingly compelling. If this sort of trend continues for 1 more year, I will invest some brain time into it. However, if MS can convince me that they can appease the fears of Asian economies, I'll stay a pure MS developer.

  97. Comments. by Tony-A · · Score: 2

    Are the comments (to the different headlines) substansively different?
    If the comments are different, does it really matter if the linked story happens to be the same?

  98. Damn dupe... by FoxMcCloud · · Score: 1

    It's at least the 421st time I see this story on slashdot (by RIAA's standards and considering I have a really fast connection)

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  99. IN SOVIET RUSSIA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Story repeats YOU!!!!!

  100. Dupe in blighty means something different I fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had to trawl the comments to find out that what Slashdot means by a `dupe' is a duplicate and not a spoof !!!

  101. Doesn't change the fact that Sony... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...wants to destroy Gnu/Linux through drm.

  102. solution for duplicates by master_p · · Score: 1

    When a story is submitted, previous stories should be searched and the list of those that match should be presented to the reviewer sorted by matching percentage (the most matching would be on top). Then, the reviewer can easily decide if the story should appear in the front page or not.

    I think that all it would take is a few lines of Perl.

  103. Soviet Russia???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where the hell is thar Soviet Russia guy????
    i bet he froze 2 death fter running outr of vodka...

    and dont vote offtopic.

  104. AMEN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Taco, reading this?

    I came here from google... which automagically had linked to the DUPE instead of the original...

    The problem is spreading... Pretty soon we'll have human dupes too (clones).

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