"Nevertheless, this sort of stunt is done because the issue is political and you have to win political battles because the other side is full of bad people."
Shouldn't that include information about you regardless of method or cost of collection. That would make personal information collection a high crime thereby getting rid personal information collectors not to mention the various crimes enabled by them. Country would be unshackled overnight.
rant
Let's give personal information stealing death penalty status. Just nuke china, russia, and africa in enforcing it. Kill two birds with one stone, get rid of good chunk of the world criminal element and cut down the world population to where it's irrelevant again./rant
"Or we could stop this politically oriented targeting of citizens. This list should not be public."
sarcasm
Oh hell no, let's do it on steroids, starting with religions, cults, politics of individuals, medical records, taxes, property, ah hell, lets just invade peoples houses, government buildings, and corporations. When being a total tool do it right./sarcasm
"Cars larger than 3000 pounds"
You do know that a moped can kill when it's going 35 mph and hits someone right?
"It becomes everyone's business when your property is a hazard or risk to others."
No it isn't. That's why it's your property and not someone elses. Until something happens that affects someone else it's no one else's business, government included. This article is a perfect example of why the fourth amendment has become useless as it was written to keep government from knowing what you have, that's the point of it, otherwise you have this exact idiocy, no privacy, nada. With registries everywhere, most amendments are just worthless writing on paper. Gun registries alone violate a minimum of three of the first ten amendments. We've tossed the constitution under a bus in the name of the children when it was written to guarantee freedom to those same children. The last couple of generations especially have proven to be lazy, self-serving, irresponsible, short-sighted, ignorant fools who are distracted by the latest idol, how quick they can exchange that new christmas toy for the new after christmas toy neither of which will last five minutes longer than their attention span, blogging/whatever their newest meaningless shit about their meaningless lives, and have no clue why those amendments are so important that people died for them let alone care. Grow up kiddies, the world needs adults if that's still possible as I don't think we've had any since the nineteen forties if even then.
" I suppose being completely paranoid that 'everyone else is out to get you' is the price we pay for the freedom to keep military grade weapons for recreation?"
No it's just the spoiled with little to do running around like headless chickens in stupid mode on overdrive. Then there's the children.
P.S. This stereotypical emotionalism used to be just women, hence the stereotype, now there's men in on it too. Take your meds people.
The meaning of that phase has changed over the last two centuries. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Let's not forget the context either.
"Well Regulated" meant "functional" two centuries ago. Also there's the context, you can have a "well regulated" disfunctional militia and the free state will still fall. As has been proven by history numerous times. A functional "unregulated" militia can still protect a free state. You know, the unregulated militia we had during the revolutionary war among others. "A well regulated militia, necessary for a free state" is stating an example of why this prohibition is needed. The key statement is "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." Which is a blanket statement of what government cannot do making all gun control law illegal. Believe or not individual people in the 1700s and 1800s could manufacture and own cannons and other heavy weapons of the times.
In my opinion any future amendments contesting previous amendments without repeal of former amendments renders the document invalid. It's probably long since time for a constitutional convention or another civil war.
"Let me lay down what else they are doing (also from news articles:)
1) cameras inside and outside each school; 2) one armed school resource officer in each building; 3) a lobby guard that runs the identification of each visitor to each school; 4) proximity card readers for staff members, who must swipe their cards before gaining access to the building; and 5) security officers at each school 24 hours a day, every day of the year.
They are obviously hyper-reacting. Way over the top. 24/7/365 security, armed guards, "papers please"... they are doing it all."
So all the bitching about the NRA speech is utter bullshit. The schools are already doing what the NRA spokesman said the should do and the anti-gun activists and newspapers are milking it as much as they can. I hope to see libel suits on the horizon.
"Of course, what I've just said is a good argument for government-owned fiber to the home (except for the "necessary for life" thing, which is only a matter of time)."
Actually, it is necessary for life. What do you think 911 calls go through now? Carriers use public networks for life support services like for most others./rant The shit should have been nationalized years ago and the isps should have seen breakup and prison time after the rip-offs in the nineties and maybe a few death penalties for the current stealing. Treat them with the same amount of mercy they treated us./rant
I know, how about taking away the common carrier and monopoly status that they enjoy and take back the last mile that the public actually paid for. Then the cities don't have to build out infrastructure and just have to do maintenance.
No! Those patents were prior art or were non-patentable ideas. All of the ideas were in the public long before Apple applied for the patents. Therefore:
"I don't care what you have in your home, how valuable it is. It is NOT worth a human life to stop someone from taking it."
Obviously someone thought it was worth dying to try and take it. Think about that. Remember who's committing the initial wrong, the person who thinks it's ok to steal knowing the risks then does so or the person who stops him and ends up killing him in the process.
"How about instead of banning things, we focus our resources on figuring out why people go nuts and try to kill children? Why don't we try to help the nutters before they kill our children? If someone wants to kill people, they don't need guns."
Applause, applause, author, author. Now look in the mirror, congratulations you found the cause but we just don't want to admit that, do we? Many of these causes started generations ago with decisions all of us made and keep making and all we can really do is stop new nuts from forming unfortunately that takes money, time, persistence, and wisdom all of which we have little of.
Now you're just talking revenge. My cousins wife died of a stroke a couple of years ago leaving him with two young boys to care for. Shit happens in life. Life is not a zero sum game. The fact is we created a dangerous world and have no interest in mitigating it if it helps someone else. We refuse to take responsibility or often even acknowledge responsibility for the problems we create and their ultimate results. The parent article is just one of those results. Irresponsibility is encouraged and if you need evidence look around it's all over the news.
"I want a gun more than I want other people not die from gun-related crime."
Strip your bullshit away and what's left is "I want a gun before the other guy gets one."
Anyone notice the irony of many of these gun control advocates is that they have no problem with war as long as they agree and/or are winning. War, the ultimate and most massively violent system of dealing with those you disagree with.
" It's as if people are ok with being nice to others if they choose to, but refuse to have the general good of society imposed upon them. That's a very odd form of independence, and smacks of biting off your nose to spite your face, but since I don't understand the motivation, I may have it completely wrong there."
The motivation is easy to understand just remember where the people that formed this country(US) in the 1700's came from and why. Something about persecution and lack of freedom. You are just seeing the end result and are guilty of the same fallacies by not looking deep enough that you are accusing others of.
I have a different fix. If the schools aren't working anyway as I have heard complained about ad nauseum for decades, then abolish them. Parents take full responsibility for your spawn and teach them at home. With the internet full knowledge access and assistance in the home is easily available with the added advantage of being able to defend your home yourself with your own weapons should a gunman show up. Death in high numbers would be nearly impossible since shooting house to house against individual possibly heavily armed home owners (defending their kids) wouldn't be very effective. You know, the way our society used to work.
Community centers would still be useful as centers of development but since usage would be more transitory they would not be such a big target, no one bombs libraries do they?
I do agree with the parent post that many of the causes of these problems are societal and require real money, time, and commitment to deal with instead of the current whitewash that comes from everyone about treating the symptoms instead of the disease(s).
rant/
Stop trying to take our guns. Many of us out here in the sticks have to hunt to eat since our money is swiped paying taxes for shit you seem to need but we have no use for (your kids education, etc.). Not to mention with one officer every twenty miles we are on our own to protect ourselves from rabid wild animals, the four legged ones too./rant
Londo Molari on Babylon5. What do you think he was doing sliding his finger across the top of his monitor before accessing it? Slide to unlock. He wasn't the only one. An idea spread by a widely viewed(at least by the tech world) TV show from 1992 and in syndication ever since does away with the non-obvious. The idea was already public therefore unpatentable. Let's not forget slide functions have been in touch screens for several decades or even about the actual physical slide-locks that have been around for centuries.
And so did the politicians, accountants, right down to various members of the public, who kept on spending like drunken sailors when times were good instead of practicing proper restraint and responsible behavior by controlling spending and saving for the bad times. Don't forget current generations of politicians raping responsible structures for bad times put in by previous generations for personal gain. Now we have kicking the can down the road and no accountability or responsibility for anything because the spoiled brat pack got what they wanted.
"You got beat up because you're selfish and inconsiderate."
And those that were beating him up were they any less selfish and inconsiderate? The parent my be sounding a bit arrogant but you're being a hypocrite. He was abused because those that could chose to do so. In the end it came down to a choice to take violent action when it wasn't needed and in a non-violent context.
"not unless they are willing to MASSIVELY repopulate predators like panthers, cougars, bears, wolves, and deal with the "Little Suzy was eaten by a bear" stories"
Wow, life might just be a real challenge again instead of an example of how we can consistently fuck each other over. I wouldn't lose any sleep over 'little Suzy' as her spoiled lazyass parents weren't doing their chosen job and should see some jail time for neglect of their chosen primary occupation/responsibility.(childrearing)
Has anyone noticed they a breeding pest birds and releasing them into the environment? Aren't there some federal environment and state maintenance and health laws about that? How about large scale slaughtering of unregistered animals?
Let's just leave out blasting large amounts of just released birds in a small arena has as much to do with hunting as scooping dead fish from a barrel has to do with fishing. Lazy rednecks in barbarian mode doesn't impress me and should be illegal just on the stupid standpoint alone. You want to hunt, go out and earn it. I also believe in the 'to each his own' viewpoint but some things are just a little too much.
"Almost like someone wanted to get Syria off the front page."
Remember Ronnie(Ronald Reagan) attacked an island of no importance(Grenada) just to get the headlines of 200+ troops he got killed in Lebanon and the economic hell he had created screwing with the economy by cutting support for regulation and declaring war on the unions out of the headlines. As admitted by Reagan's aides after his exit from the white house.
It's not like it hasn't been done before. The funny part if any of it could be funny is he nearly botched Genada too.
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"Nevertheless, this sort of stunt is done because the issue is political and you have to win political battles because the other side is full of bad people."
Fine!! Let's be hypocrites about it.
".....You're comparing jews to guns?"
It's the same kind of discrimination by calling them out because you don't like or are afraid of them when they aren't doing anything to you.
"and effects"
Shouldn't that include information about you regardless of method or cost of collection. That would make personal information collection a high crime thereby getting rid personal information collectors not to mention the various crimes enabled by them. Country would be unshackled overnight.
rant /rant
Let's give personal information stealing death penalty status. Just nuke china, russia, and africa in enforcing it. Kill two birds with one stone, get rid of good chunk of the world criminal element and cut down the world population to where it's irrelevant again.
"Or we could stop this politically oriented targeting of citizens. This list should not be public."
sarcasm /sarcasm
Oh hell no, let's do it on steroids, starting with religions, cults, politics of individuals, medical records, taxes, property, ah hell, lets just invade peoples houses, government buildings, and corporations. When being a total tool do it right.
"Cars larger than 3000 pounds"
You do know that a moped can kill when it's going 35 mph and hits someone right?
"Possession of a car is not a basic right guaranteed by the United States Constitution. So, no, they are not alike at all."
Yes it is, read your fourth amendment.
"It becomes everyone's business when your property is a hazard or risk to others."
No it isn't. That's why it's your property and not someone elses. Until something happens that affects someone else it's no one else's business, government included. This article is a perfect example of why the fourth amendment has become useless as it was written to keep government from knowing what you have, that's the point of it, otherwise you have this exact idiocy, no privacy, nada. With registries everywhere, most amendments are just worthless writing on paper. Gun registries alone violate a minimum of three of the first ten amendments. We've tossed the constitution under a bus in the name of the children when it was written to guarantee freedom to those same children. The last couple of generations especially have proven to be lazy, self-serving, irresponsible, short-sighted, ignorant fools who are distracted by the latest idol, how quick they can exchange that new christmas toy for the new after christmas toy neither of which will last five minutes longer than their attention span, blogging/whatever their newest meaningless shit about their meaningless lives, and have no clue why those amendments are so important that people died for them let alone care. Grow up kiddies, the world needs adults if that's still possible as I don't think we've had any since the nineteen forties if even then.
" the string handling alone is worth its weight in, well, gstrings..."
If they're empty gstrings that's not saying much.
capcha: adorable
" I suppose being completely paranoid that 'everyone else is out to get you' is the price we pay for the freedom to keep military grade weapons for recreation?"
No it's just the spoiled with little to do running around like headless chickens in stupid mode on overdrive. Then there's the children.
P.S. This stereotypical emotionalism used to be just women, hence the stereotype, now there's men in on it too. Take your meds people.
" A *Well Regulated* Militia"
The meaning of that phase has changed over the last two centuries. It doesn't mean what you think it means. Let's not forget the context either.
"Well Regulated" meant "functional" two centuries ago. Also there's the context, you can have a "well regulated" disfunctional militia and the free state will still fall. As has been proven by history numerous times. A functional "unregulated" militia can still protect a free state. You know, the unregulated militia we had during the revolutionary war among others. "A well regulated militia, necessary for a free state" is stating an example of why this prohibition is needed. The key statement is "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." Which is a blanket statement of what government cannot do making all gun control law illegal. Believe or not individual people in the 1700s and 1800s could manufacture and own cannons and other heavy weapons of the times.
In my opinion any future amendments contesting previous amendments without repeal of former amendments renders the document invalid. It's probably long since time for a constitutional convention or another civil war.
"Let me lay down what else they are doing (also from news articles:)
1) cameras inside and outside each school;
2) one armed school resource officer in each building;
3) a lobby guard that runs the identification of each visitor to each school;
4) proximity card readers for staff members, who must swipe their cards before gaining access to the building; and
5) security officers at each school 24 hours a day, every day of the year.
They are obviously hyper-reacting. Way over the top. 24/7/365 security, armed guards, "papers please" ... they are doing it all."
So all the bitching about the NRA speech is utter bullshit. The schools are already doing what the NRA spokesman said the should do and the anti-gun activists and newspapers are milking it as much as they can. I hope to see libel suits on the horizon.
"My birthday is on Dec 22nd"
So the party won't be long enough and you won't have enough time to sleep it off. Just like every year. My sympathies.
"Of course, what I've just said is a good argument for government-owned fiber to the home (except for the "necessary for life" thing, which is only a matter of time)."
Actually, it is necessary for life. What do you think 911 calls go through now? Carriers use public networks for life support services like for most others. /rant /rant
The shit should have been nationalized years ago and the isps should have seen breakup and prison time after the rip-offs in the nineties and maybe a few death penalties for the current stealing. Treat them with the same amount of mercy they treated us.
I know, how about taking away the common carrier and monopoly status that they enjoy and take back the last mile that the public actually paid for. Then the cities don't have to build out infrastructure and just have to do maintenance.
" Apple Innovated, Samsung copied... "
No! Those patents were prior art or were non-patentable ideas. All of the ideas were in the public long before Apple applied for the patents. Therefore:
Apple stole, Samsung copied...
Fixed that for you.
"I don't care what you have in your home, how valuable it is. It is NOT worth a human life to stop someone from taking it."
Obviously someone thought it was worth dying to try and take it. Think about that. Remember who's committing the initial wrong, the person who thinks it's ok to steal knowing the risks then does so or the person who stops him and ends up killing him in the process.
"... I was proud of the work I did."
Forget the work, be proud of how much money you made. You did get paid right?
"How about instead of banning things, we focus our resources on figuring out why people go nuts and try to kill children? Why don't we try to help the nutters before they kill our children? If someone wants to kill people, they don't need guns."
Applause, applause, author, author. Now look in the mirror, congratulations you found the cause but we just don't want to admit that, do we? Many of these causes started generations ago with decisions all of us made and keep making and all we can really do is stop new nuts from forming unfortunately that takes money, time, persistence, and wisdom all of which we have little of.
" Make them wish they were dead"
Now you're just talking revenge. My cousins wife died of a stroke a couple of years ago leaving him with two young boys to care for. Shit happens in life. Life is not a zero sum game. The fact is we created a dangerous world and have no interest in mitigating it if it helps someone else. We refuse to take responsibility or often even acknowledge responsibility for the problems we create and their ultimate results. The parent article is just one of those results. Irresponsibility is encouraged and if you need evidence look around it's all over the news.
"I want a gun more than I want other people not die from gun-related crime."
Strip your bullshit away and what's left is "I want a gun before the other guy gets one."
Anyone notice the irony of many of these gun control advocates is that they have no problem with war as long as they agree and/or are winning. War, the ultimate and most massively violent system of dealing with those you disagree with.
" It's as if people are ok with being nice to others if they choose to, but refuse to have the general good of society imposed upon them. That's a very odd form of independence, and smacks of biting off your nose to spite your face, but since I don't understand the motivation, I may have it completely wrong there."
The motivation is easy to understand just remember where the people that formed this country(US) in the 1700's came from and why. Something about persecution and lack of freedom. You are just seeing the end result and are guilty of the same fallacies by not looking deep enough that you are accusing others of.
I have a different fix. If the schools aren't working anyway as I have heard complained about ad nauseum for decades, then abolish them. Parents take full responsibility for your spawn and teach them at home. With the internet full knowledge access and assistance in the home is easily available with the added advantage of being able to defend your home yourself with your own weapons should a gunman show up. Death in high numbers would be nearly impossible since shooting house to house against individual possibly heavily armed home owners (defending their kids) wouldn't be very effective. You know, the way our society used to work.
Community centers would still be useful as centers of development but since usage would be more transitory they would not be such a big target, no one bombs libraries do they?
I do agree with the parent post that many of the causes of these problems are societal and require real money, time, and commitment to deal with instead of the current whitewash that comes from everyone about treating the symptoms instead of the disease(s).
rant/ /rant
Stop trying to take our guns. Many of us out here in the sticks have to hunt to eat since our money is swiped paying taxes for shit you seem to need but we have no use for (your kids education, etc.). Not to mention with one officer every twenty miles we are on our own to protect ourselves from rabid wild animals, the four legged ones too.
"What, exactly, makes slide-to-unlock 'obvious',"
Londo Molari on Babylon5. What do you think he was doing sliding his finger across the top of his monitor before accessing it? Slide to unlock. He wasn't the only one. An idea spread by a widely viewed(at least by the tech world) TV show from 1992 and in syndication ever since does away with the non-obvious. The idea was already public therefore unpatentable. Let's not forget slide functions have been in touch screens for several decades or even about the actual physical slide-locks that have been around for centuries.
"We knew what we were doing,"
And so did the politicians, accountants, right down to various members of the public, who kept on spending like drunken sailors when times were good instead of practicing proper restraint and responsible behavior by controlling spending and saving for the bad times. Don't forget current generations of politicians raping responsible structures for bad times put in by previous generations for personal gain. Now we have kicking the can down the road and no accountability or responsibility for anything because the spoiled brat pack got what they wanted.
"You got beat up because you're selfish and inconsiderate."
And those that were beating him up were they any less selfish and inconsiderate? The parent my be sounding a bit arrogant but you're being a hypocrite. He was abused because those that could chose to do so. In the end it came down to a choice to take violent action when it wasn't needed and in a non-violent context.
"not unless they are willing to MASSIVELY repopulate predators like panthers, cougars, bears, wolves, and deal with the "Little Suzy was eaten by a bear" stories"
Wow, life might just be a real challenge again instead of an example of how we can consistently fuck each other over. I wouldn't lose any sleep over 'little Suzy' as her spoiled lazyass parents weren't doing their chosen job and should see some jail time for neglect of their chosen primary occupation/responsibility.(childrearing)
Has anyone noticed they a breeding pest birds and releasing them into the environment? Aren't there some federal environment and state maintenance and health laws about that? How about large scale slaughtering of unregistered animals?
Let's just leave out blasting large amounts of just released birds in a small arena has as much to do with hunting as scooping dead fish from a barrel has to do with fishing. Lazy rednecks in barbarian mode doesn't impress me and should be illegal just on the stupid standpoint alone. You want to hunt, go out and earn it. I also believe in the 'to each his own' viewpoint but some things are just a little too much.
"Almost like someone wanted to get Syria off the front page."
Remember Ronnie(Ronald Reagan) attacked an island of no importance(Grenada) just to get the headlines of 200+ troops he got killed in Lebanon and the economic hell he had created screwing with the economy by cutting support for regulation and declaring war on the unions out of the headlines. As admitted by Reagan's aides after his exit from the white house.
It's not like it hasn't been done before. The funny part if any of it could be funny is he nearly botched Genada too.