How about the nailing the principal for overstepping his authority? You talk about consequences, a principal as an adult, should know better than this. How about the principal talking to the parents? You know the people who had the kid and are ultimately supposed to be responsible for the kids behavior. If it continues, that's what civil courts are for.
It's just like screaming fire in a crowded movie house(common test) for no reason. It's not illegal to do it, but if someone gets killed you're on the hook for it.(barring other reasons, building flaws, peoples behavior...) That's not mentioning the civil penalties for your part in the whole episode. If you're right you should be exonerated. Of course you'd still be sued, just the public embarrassment for suing a hero is the only real protection at the civil level. Kind of scary to take a stand, isn't it?
To say it without government sanction it does, that's what the first amendment is there for. The judges decision is government sanction. If the kid is wrong, investigation of the principal(provided it's actually serious accusation) will correct the problem, one way or the other. Principals, as public officials, should be getting constantly vetted anyway, given their position, and their record should stand on its own. So why is this a problem again? Besides the principals limited authority doesn't go beyond school grounds and activities, anything else is revenge.
Read the first amendment as there's nothing in it that refers to "free speech until". If the accusation is libelous then the principal can sue to be exonerated and the parents can take care of the kid. The fact is, pedo-paranoia along with many of the other current public/parental insanities, fanned by our completely "unbiased" media, should be stepped down a few notches. The kid still has the same rights as the rest of us, principal included. All they're really telling him is the constitution isn't worth more than a sheet of common paper at the local store.(the parchment/paper the constitution is written on is worth quite a lot on its own) No wonder many kids only care about making money at any cost(drugs, murder, robbery) as it's the only thing that counts. Judging from the robbery/graft figures many have already learned it.
"Now, I'm just your average Area Man, but I think this would be a whole lot simpler if people didn't waste so much time watching TV."
Same with wasting time on computers. Go out and experience the real world you lazy bums.
It's just like letting creationism in the schools from another slashdot story today. After finally getting rid of it, once you let it back in, you'll find it hard to keep it out.
Except you didn't expound upon the previous poster you ignored him. Creationism isn't science and not a theory no matter how you package this superstitious non-sense. Leave creationism to history and religion/theology classes where creationism belongs. Just remember, most kids take science to get through requirements and won't go any further than that. So teaching both just sends a mixed message and turns classes into potential debating matches where nothing will be taught for lack of concensus, if not eventual combat and bloodletting later in life. Most kids just accept what's taught and won't research so you just create confusion and potential problems later. We had creationism for thousands of years and got nowhere. Well, with exception of persecutions/executions of those scientific ones/anyone who disagreed, and let's not forget the book-burnings and medical deaths and exterminations due to blind-ignorance(cats during the black plague). It took thousands of years to get rid of creationism and all the murderous, burning books, mass-manipulation crap that it would cause. Now that scientific method has proven extremely effective for the last few centuries or so, why would we want to go back into the self-blinding, manipulatable, murderous, hellhole that is creationism?
Yes, I was religiously educated and learned/observed this first hand. Creationism is blind-belief, science is not blind but is belief based on reason, are you thinking yet?
The time of enlightenment and wisdom is over it seems as more idiotic fools come out of the woodwork indicating that the pendulum is swinging back to ignorant from intelligent. If Mccain gets elected it'll swing faster.
Tell the city to get an injunction to prevent any further damage from tds not following regs(i'm sure they're not) or sue for damage to infrastructure. At least hit tds with an injunction to stop operations until their lawsuit plays out.
Either the employees are seeing the writing on the wall or the city is trying to get rid of any childs' loyalists(purge). Most likely both is happening. Heaven forbid they get rid of anyone else who knows how to maintain the network.
Well don't tell these guys how to fix it! If the management is truly morons you've just contributed to committing the crime of giving a functional stable city network that people depend on to a bunch of idiots, control freaks, and fools. You know, politicians! The old administrator definitely seems to have some ethics, intelligence, and is definitely dedicated. Hunt down another administrator as ethical and dedicated and hire him/her. It couldn't be any more expensive than this stupidity. Oh yea, fire the management (his former bosses) for totally screwing this up and just making it worse trying to protect their jobs.
I agree, I bet this terminal server crap is just being generated to give the city management more legal crap to charge the admin with. The guy was doing his job and his bosses proved time and again they were idiots just interested in their damn control games.
You're not the only ones, us electronic techs had many of the same problems. We had to sit between the customers and the manufacturers listening to the complaints (besides the actual problem, you know, unofficial manufacturer complaint department) that we couldn't do anything about on the one side and outright overcharging for parts and support shutouts on the other. Glad I'm out of it too.
So in other words: Thanks for the free advertising for my work, I know it must have cost you, but if you try to make some money on it for yourself I'll slam you.
I like you guys using the auto industry as an example except the industry kill itself in the eighties and early nineties by killing research in the name of short-sighted greed. It was doing ok then even with the unions. They were way ahead in research then, but don't let the union bashing stop right. Getting pushed out is really great when you have dependencies, you know a life. The industry needs to grow up and understand their workers want to live and not be pushbutton and maintenance slaves. Efficiency for a company is good but not at the expense of tyranny, that's how unions came to exist for employers are like any dictitorial group, when in charge play god.
"2) Continue to be abused, until you work with your employer to fix the situation, or quit and go work somewhere else"
That kind of crap may work for you lifeless kids but many of us have wives, children, and settled lives. In all the places I've worked its the employers way or walk so fixing the situation is meaningless. And that open market you guys seem to love is also an unstable one, just because there's lots of jobs now doesn't mean it will be forever and believe me employers will play on that. There is also no guarantee that I can find another job in my current IT specialty without moving half-way across the country so quitting and working somewhere else can be a dubious idea especially with home issues that require I stay put. It's not like I can take a pay cut for months while spinning up on a new job, more than once, with a house and kids to feed.
Unions need to morph themselves into something lighter with political clout to provide basic protections without becoming an institution. That's where some of the problems exist. Basically simple worker protection laws that work across all industries would largely negate unions especially if they had real teeth and easy access to workers without the employer getting in the way.
"addition to the slingshots, bow and arrows, and gun that police seized. It's pretty clear that whatever protest these people were planning was going to go beyond peaceful words, unless someone has a better (serious) explanation for the buckets of urine."
That's it???? Considering the sheer level of knowledge and gun access in this country and I mean real guns, you know this is just stuff the owner had around for fun. I doubt most of the weapons have nothing to do with the protest, well except the urine which makes sense when making a statement. The cops are just looking for shit excuses most aren't even illegal. Minor disruptions should be expected especially when the establishment makes it useless to talk by pushing the protestors miles away from the subject of the protest. The disruptions are just another form of protest since the vocal right has been rendered mute. Is this the US or China. Besides, only rarely have real protests been effective with just words.
The civil war was definitely not worse than WWI(poison gas, trench warfare, crappy leadership) or WWII(concentration camps - both sides, atomic weapons, large scale bombardments of civilian targets) in the way or numbers that died and are still dying. Even slashdot has some damn fools.
"I consider using the state-provided roads as a privilege,"
You forgot something, those "state-provided" roads are paid for by us taxpayers. We pay for it, we own it and can do as we like. So where's the privilege part again?
Of course, the public could get off its intentionally ignorant, lazy, stubborn, ass and adapt just like they did when dos and then windows came along, not to mention computers. It's called discovery, learning, thinking, and adapting, accent on thinking. I know its like work since most people do as little of it as possible, but hey, start a long term fad.
Is anybody noticing parallels to 1960 JFK election? New kid gets insider running mate. It was a time of change too. Now I wonder how long Obama has got.
If thats true then maybe the IOC should take away the medals on the spot and sanction china for intentional rule breaking. That would definitely embarrass them and increase the likelyhood the IOC actually has some integrity and ethics. I won't hold my breath for it though.
Then take away their medals for breaking the rules and intentionally lieing to the committee. If they are going to do it for doping... The current IOC behavior just makes them look like a joke, more so since the rule breaking is going on right in front of them. Take away the medals and permanently ban the rule breakers, then the chinese government will care. The IOC is just afraid of embarrassing the chinese government and are sacrificing the integrity of the games because of it. Being the host country does not entitle them to any special allowances, in fact, it should increase the scrutiny and penalties on the host since there are many more ways for the host to corrupt everything in their favor.
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How about the nailing the principal for overstepping his authority? You talk about consequences, a principal as an adult, should know better than this. How about the principal talking to the parents? You know the people who had the kid and are ultimately supposed to be responsible for the kids behavior. If it continues, that's what civil courts are for.
It's just like screaming fire in a crowded movie house(common test) for no reason. It's not illegal to do it, but if someone gets killed you're on the hook for it.(barring other reasons, building flaws, peoples behavior...) That's not mentioning the civil penalties for your part in the whole episode. If you're right you should be exonerated. Of course you'd still be sued, just the public embarrassment for suing a hero is the only real protection at the civil level. Kind of scary to take a stand, isn't it?
To say it without government sanction it does, that's what the first amendment is there for. The judges decision is government sanction. If the kid is wrong, investigation of the principal(provided it's actually serious accusation) will correct the problem, one way or the other. Principals, as public officials, should be getting constantly vetted anyway, given their position, and their record should stand on its own. So why is this a problem again? Besides the principals limited authority doesn't go beyond school grounds and activities, anything else is revenge.
Read the first amendment as there's nothing in it that refers to "free speech until". If the accusation is libelous then the principal can sue to be exonerated and the parents can take care of the kid. The fact is, pedo-paranoia along with many of the other current public/parental insanities, fanned by our completely "unbiased" media, should be stepped down a few notches. The kid still has the same rights as the rest of us, principal included. All they're really telling him is the constitution isn't worth more than a sheet of common paper at the local store.(the parchment/paper the constitution is written on is worth quite a lot on its own) No wonder many kids only care about making money at any cost(drugs, murder, robbery) as it's the only thing that counts. Judging from the robbery/graft figures many have already learned it.
"Now, I'm just your average Area Man, but I think this would be a whole lot simpler if people didn't waste so much time watching TV." Same with wasting time on computers. Go out and experience the real world you lazy bums.
There's also MenuetOS.
http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm
It's just like letting creationism in the schools from another slashdot story today. After finally getting rid of it, once you let it back in, you'll find it hard to keep it out.
Except you didn't expound upon the previous poster you ignored him. Creationism isn't science and not a theory no matter how you package this superstitious non-sense. Leave creationism to history and religion/theology classes where creationism belongs. Just remember, most kids take science to get through requirements and won't go any further than that. So teaching both just sends a mixed message and turns classes into potential debating matches where nothing will be taught for lack of concensus, if not eventual combat and bloodletting later in life. Most kids just accept what's taught and won't research so you just create confusion and potential problems later. We had creationism for thousands of years and got nowhere. Well, with exception of persecutions/executions of those scientific ones/anyone who disagreed, and let's not forget the book-burnings and medical deaths and exterminations due to blind-ignorance(cats during the black plague). It took thousands of years to get rid of creationism and all the murderous, burning books, mass-manipulation crap that it would cause. Now that scientific method has proven extremely effective for the last few centuries or so, why would we want to go back into the self-blinding, manipulatable, murderous, hellhole that is creationism?
Yes, I was religiously educated and learned/observed this first hand. Creationism is blind-belief, science is not blind but is belief based on reason, are you thinking yet?
The time of enlightenment and wisdom is over it seems as more idiotic fools come out of the woodwork indicating that the pendulum is swinging back to ignorant from intelligent. If Mccain gets elected it'll swing faster.
Tell the city to get an injunction to prevent any further damage from tds not following regs(i'm sure they're not) or sue for damage to infrastructure. At least hit tds with an injunction to stop operations until their lawsuit plays out.
Either the employees are seeing the writing on the wall or the city is trying to get rid of any childs' loyalists(purge). Most likely both is happening. Heaven forbid they get rid of anyone else who knows how to maintain the network.
Well don't tell these guys how to fix it! If the management is truly morons you've just contributed to committing the crime of giving a functional stable city network that people depend on to a bunch of idiots, control freaks, and fools. You know, politicians! The old administrator definitely seems to have some ethics, intelligence, and is definitely dedicated. Hunt down another administrator as ethical and dedicated and hire him/her. It couldn't be any more expensive than this stupidity. Oh yea, fire the management (his former bosses) for totally screwing this up and just making it worse trying to protect their jobs.
I agree, I bet this terminal server crap is just being generated to give the city management more legal crap to charge the admin with. The guy was doing his job and his bosses proved time and again they were idiots just interested in their damn control games.
You're not the only ones, us electronic techs had many of the same problems. We had to sit between the customers and the manufacturers listening to the complaints (besides the actual problem, you know, unofficial manufacturer complaint department) that we couldn't do anything about on the one side and outright overcharging for parts and support shutouts on the other. Glad I'm out of it too.
So in other words: Thanks for the free advertising for my work, I know it must have cost you, but if you try to make some money on it for yourself I'll slam you.
Celebrate! Celebrate! Dance to the blank screen!
I like you guys using the auto industry as an example except the industry kill itself in the eighties and early nineties by killing research in the name of short-sighted greed. It was doing ok then even with the unions. They were way ahead in research then, but don't let the union bashing stop right. Getting pushed out is really great when you have dependencies, you know a life. The industry needs to grow up and understand their workers want to live and not be pushbutton and maintenance slaves. Efficiency for a company is good but not at the expense of tyranny, that's how unions came to exist for employers are like any dictitorial group, when in charge play god.
"2) Continue to be abused, until you work with your employer to fix the situation, or quit and go work somewhere else"
That kind of crap may work for you lifeless kids but many of us have wives, children, and settled lives. In all the places I've worked its the employers way or walk so fixing the situation is meaningless. And that open market you guys seem to love is also an unstable one, just because there's lots of jobs now doesn't mean it will be forever and believe me employers will play on that. There is also no guarantee that I can find another job in my current IT specialty without moving half-way across the country so quitting and working somewhere else can be a dubious idea especially with home issues that require I stay put. It's not like I can take a pay cut for months while spinning up on a new job, more than once, with a house and kids to feed.
Unions need to morph themselves into something lighter with political clout to provide basic protections without becoming an institution. That's where some of the problems exist. Basically simple worker protection laws that work across all industries would largely negate unions especially if they had real teeth and easy access to workers without the employer getting in the way.
Unions overdid it. The backlash is a result.
That's it???? Considering the sheer level of knowledge and gun access in this country and I mean real guns, you know this is just stuff the owner had around for fun. I doubt most of the weapons have nothing to do with the protest, well except the urine which makes sense when making a statement. The cops are just looking for shit excuses most aren't even illegal. Minor disruptions should be expected especially when the establishment makes it useless to talk by pushing the protestors miles away from the subject of the protest. The disruptions are just another form of protest since the vocal right has been rendered mute. Is this the US or China. Besides, only rarely have real protests been effective with just words.
The civil war was definitely not worse than WWI(poison gas, trench warfare, crappy leadership) or WWII(concentration camps - both sides, atomic weapons, large scale bombardments of civilian targets) in the way or numbers that died and are still dying. Even slashdot has some damn fools.
Nice to see someone with some sense or at least hear about someone with some sense.
"I consider using the state-provided roads as a privilege,"
You forgot something, those "state-provided" roads are paid for by us taxpayers. We pay for it, we own it and can do as we like. So where's the privilege part again?
You left out the lack of any alternative to windows for the same platform.
Of course, the public could get off its intentionally ignorant, lazy, stubborn, ass and adapt just like they did when dos and then windows came along, not to mention computers. It's called discovery, learning, thinking, and adapting, accent on thinking. I know its like work since most people do as little of it as possible, but hey, start a long term fad.
Is anybody noticing parallels to 1960 JFK election? New kid gets insider running mate. It was a time of change too. Now I wonder how long Obama has got.
If thats true then maybe the IOC should take away the medals on the spot and sanction china for intentional rule breaking. That would definitely embarrass them and increase the likelyhood the IOC actually has some integrity and ethics. I won't hold my breath for it though.
Then take away their medals for breaking the rules and intentionally lieing to the committee. If they are going to do it for doping... The current IOC behavior just makes them look like a joke, more so since the rule breaking is going on right in front of them. Take away the medals and permanently ban the rule breakers, then the chinese government will care. The IOC is just afraid of embarrassing the chinese government and are sacrificing the integrity of the games because of it. Being the host country does not entitle them to any special allowances, in fact, it should increase the scrutiny and penalties on the host since there are many more ways for the host to corrupt everything in their favor.