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Fast-Booting Text-Editor Operating System?

cgenman writes "What is the fastest booting operating system out there that is still sufficient for editing text? Quite frequently, I'll need to boot my laptop and edit a few lines of text, or jot down an idea or two. XP loads in roughly 4 minutes to usable, and Ubuntu loads in about 60 seconds. Both feel like an eternity if there isn't a pen and paper around. What is the best operating system that people have found which would load to useable in under 20 seconds, can edit text files in something a little more friendly than VI or EMACS, yet can still access fat32 formatted USB drives? GUIs aren't required, but commands which require arcane foreknowledge or a cheat sheet are out."

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  1. Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Informative

    You could go with a straight BusyBox, or add a slightly more robust text editor to the enviornment.
    Then compile that into your initramfs, and just don't bother to do a switch_root to a real file system. As long as you've got the hardware and filesystem drivers compiled into the kernel, life is good.
    See http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ for more details.
    This use-case is one where I would not recommend emacs.

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    1. Re:Not hard by Frnknstn · · Score: 5, Informative

      add a slightly more robust text editor

      I would recommend Nano http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano_(text_editor) for this purpose. It's easier to use than vim or emacs, and more familiar if you have a MS-DOS 'Edit' background. If you don't need to do any heavy duty coding, Nano is more than powerful enough.

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    2. Re:Not hard by Reikk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Solution: Carry a notepad to scribble on instead of being a douche bag and having to boot a second operating system and all that shit

    3. Re:Not hard by Penguin+Follower · · Score: 3, Funny

      I second that suggestion to use Nano. Nano is great! :)

    4. Re:Not hard by TheSpoom · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nano's actually decent for coding as well. You can set it up to do tab completion, code colourization, and other things one normally sees in GUI code editors.

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    5. Re:Not hard by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 4, Funny

      This use-case is one where I would not recommend emacs.

      Why not? It's a perfect solution: an operating system which can edit text, too!

    6. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      The full emacs distro would outweigh the rest of the initramfs by a lot.
      Particularly with any reasonable supporting libraries.
      Total overkill for a text editing requirement.

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    7. Re:Not hard by hawk · · Score: 1

      >This use-case is one where I would not recommend emacs.

      Well, yeah.

      Most of us figured that out when he said he needed to edit . . . :)

      More seriously, the obvious solution is to add a usb adaptor to a Tandy 100/102 . . .

      hawk, off to find his 102

    8. Re:Not hard by pacinpm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Palm OS installed on Palm hardware. Seriously, nothing beats this.

    9. Re:Not hard by Kalvos · · Score: 1

      It's got a serial output. Piece of cake. I used one for years, well into the Windows era.

    10. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      I have a Nokia E61, you insensitive clod!

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    11. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      there is a requirement that it be able to access FAT32 volumes, I assume the original poster means a USB drive. For this, I would say get a plain, simple PDA that has USB host functionality. I have a Toshiba e805 with VGA screen. I can turn it on and be in a text editor in about 20 seconds. I picked up the "expansion pack" for about $20 a while back that adds USB host and VGA out functionality. I put in a 4GB SD card for programs, and that leaves the CF for other stuff, I can even hook up the usb port to a hub and use a usb keyboard and mouse to type in a text editor (nice rollup keyboard) while accessing an external USB drive. You can even use SoftMaker office to edit full office documents or compose presentations.

      Though a lot of the folks on here will lie about it and give grief, the handwriting recognition in Windows Mobile is scarily accurate assuming you have even remotely understandable handwriting, and if not, its just as accurate with a little training.

    12. Re:Not hard by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      It can? Neato didn't know that. Only thing that bugs me is the screen wrap as it lets you keep typing across w/o hard enter. A fix for that too?

    13. Re:Not hard by kesuki · · Score: 1

      personally i like damn small linux myself. it boots pretty quick for a gui without messing around...

    14. Re:Not hard by v1 · · Score: 0

      nano replaced pico in OS X somewhat recently. If you try to pico, you get nano. I prefer that above vi.

      Tho I suppose if you have your computer simply sleeping or hibernating, that could load fast too. Mac laptops can hibernate (apple calls it "safe sleep") free of battery power by paging memory entirely to HD. They do this anytime they sleep, which is why mac laptops can take up to 20 seconds to spin down the HD when sleeping.

      When battery or line power is restored and you press the power button, instead of booting, it takes only a few seconds to reanimate. Wake time varies depending on how much memory you have in the machine. If you only have 512, it wakes REALLY fast. (under 5 seconds?) Once it's completed this process, it is 100% fully awake and ready to rock, with whatever word processor you had launched ready to go. And not running like a drunkard when most OS's are just getting to their desktop and "appear" ready but are really still booting.

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    15. Re:Not hard by dylan_- · · Score: 1, Informative

      It can? Neato didn't know that. Only thing that bugs me is the screen wrap as it lets you keep typing across w/o hard enter. A fix for that too?

      Start with the -w switch (e.g. "nano -w myfile.txt") or put "set nowrap" in your .nanorc (or /etc/nanorc if you want it global).

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    16. Re:Not hard by laddiebuck · · Score: 2, Informative

      Trust me, nano programmers, just take a deep breath and a few days of getting used to it, and just learn vim or emacs. You'll be grateful you did; and you'll wonder how you ever used the prison of editors like pico or nano.

      I know because I used to use pico (I didn't like some of the changes nano made; pico was more stable for me) for years and got reasonably productive. What it took was for someone to loudly laugh at me when he asked me about what text editor I used. I learned vim within the week and it's a different world; I am five times more productive for general programming and text editing, and now I use my editor for a million tasks that I would previously have used scripts for.

    17. Re:Not hard by laddiebuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I should add that this also goes for people using GUI editors, or IDEs. IDEs have nice features, but they usually suck as editors and it's typically hard to embed a decent editor in them. But this changes every so often. Not to mention that if you really need IDE-like features, there are third-party extensions for both vim and emacs to provide them, although I don't use them myself, preferring to just use the shell (yes, even for Java work).

    18. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, for one, welcome our new insensitive clod overlord!

    19. Re:Not hard by quenda · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nano's actually decent for coding as well. You can set it up to do tab completion, code colourization, and other things ...

      But does it have a full IDE, web-browser, calendar, IRC, spreadsheet, email, calculator, psychiatrist and canonised author?

    20. Re:Not hard by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Nope! Cause, y'know, it's a text editor. It does good at being a text editor.

      (Yeah, I know you're talking about emacs. I don't care.)

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    21. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but my suggestion is strictly the boot image pulled up by GRUB.
      DSL is a whole lotta rosie in comparison.

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    22. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But does it run whineux?

    23. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all he wants is text editing DOS would actually do the job and some DOS installs loaded very quickly. Probably the greatest issue with today's high speed computers would be to find a way to slow down DOS to a point where scrolling text didn't go by like a bullet.

    24. Re:Not hard by magisterx · · Score: 1

      Have you thought about just using dos? Even on older hardware, if all you load is the OS itself and perhaps have edit in autoexec.bat it is up in seconds.

    25. Re:Not hard by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 1

      I know emacs, vim, and NEdit, and I would MUCH rather use the latter.

      While I agree that vi knowledge is probably needed just as a general skill (you know that some variant of vi will always be present on a modern UNIX box), I disagree that it (or emacs) is a "better" general programmers editor. For me, at least, it isn't.

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    26. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would use DSL or Damn Small Linux.

      Lightweight. Fast.

      http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

    27. Re:Not hard by Arker · · Score: 1

      Unixtree contains some extra functionality, mostly file management, which wouldnt be bad to have anyway.

      It's pretty small as well.

      For many years I used DOS+Xtree Gold for this sort of thing, whole system fit on a floppy disk (with some of the optional Xtree modules removed) and it worked great. But I dont think that system could (at least easily) be set up to support the newer file systems the OP needs to work with, however a linux+busybox+unixtree system should be the up-to-date equivelant.

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    28. Re:Not hard by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      No, but don't forget that emacs is a good operating system and application suite in need of a good text editor.

    29. Re:Not hard by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

      He might have a problem getting it to work,driver wise. He also said he wanted USB support,which is a royal PITA. Might I suggest you look into either Puppy Linux,DSL Linux or Feather Linux. I have put all three on many different kinds of hardware and they are all quite fast. You did not give the specs of your hardware so I will just give you my general observations. For older hardware Feather will give you the most speed,followed by DSL and Puppy,but there is only a few seconds difference.

      That said I much prefer Puppy,as there are several builds and you can simply choose which version suits you. On a laptop MacPuppy is quite nice,and I have my most used programs at my fingertips thanks to the dock. But any one of these will give you the requirements you specified in your FA: Quick boot,USB support,and easy text editing. If you have USB 2.0 and a fast flash stick you might even prefer to leave the OS on the stick,which will allow you to carry your Operating System envirnment with you in your pocket. I hope this helps,and have a good weekend!

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    30. Re:Not hard by mechsoph · · Score: 2, Funny

      M-x viper

    31. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mainly correct; to edit text, what you need is Linux, a busyboxed initramfs, and a real text editor. It's just that joe is the only real text editor, so forget about nano.

    32. Re:Not hard by onionlee · · Score: 1

      nano?! REAL coders use vi!

    33. Re:Not hard by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      You are probably right , but not everyone needs the features of vim , and so why should they learn it , when there's an easier way ?

      nano is as good as it gets if you just want it plain and simple.

      vim is a lot more powerful , and as a result more complex.

    34. Re:Not hard by kdemetter · · Score: 1

      it works better with a picture :

      http://xkcd.com/378/

    35. Re:Not hard by Cecil · · Score: 1

      vim is by far the most efficient. I'm comfortable in other editors, certainly, often more comfortable than I am in vim. But vim will always be faster and more efficient. Rarely is even the most complex command more than a few keystrokes away.

      It depends how you define "better" and "best", but I don't think anything can beat vim for efficiency, and that's definitely what some people define as best.

    36. Re:Not hard by Cecil · · Score: 1

      Most people do need the features of vim, they just don't realize or understand when they need them.

      As an analogy, imagine that you said "Not everyone needs the power of functions/subroutines, so why should they learn it, when there's an easier way? Copying and pasting chunks of code repeatedly is fine if you just want it plain and simple"

      Just because it works doesn't mean it's an excuse not to learn how to do it better.

    37. Re:Not hard by drix · · Score: 1

      I'm an Emacs guy who can't stand Nano and can't be bothered to learn Vim. Then I discovered e3, a ridiculously fast little editor written entirely in assembler. It has key bindings for Emacs, VIM, Pico, and every other major text editor out there. Actually I think it's now what pops up on Ubuntu when you type in "emacs" by default.

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    38. Re:Not hard by wolftone · · Score: 1

      One problem with Nano is its limited Undo/Redo. Perhaps a better option is JOE. I've never really used JOE, but it appears to be able to use a Pico (what Nano was originally based on) mode as well as an Emacs mode.

    39. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And not running like a drunkard when most OS's are just getting to their desktop and "appear" ready but are really still booting.

      So you're saying that a Mac can resume from a suspend-to-RAM faster than other operating systems can boot? Did you know that other popular operating systems, such as Windows and Linux, can also suspend to RAM? And will therefore start up at probably about the same speed as a Mac? Or are Macs somehow soooooo much better than other computers?

    40. Re:Not hard by julesh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why not? It's a perfect solution: an operating system which can edit text, too!

      Yeah, but he's looking for a _lightweight_ operating system.

    41. Re:Not hard by wolftone · · Score: 1

      Someone above advised e3 which is what I wanted to advise, but I forgot the name. Very small, very fast, and has the option to run with emacs-, vi-, nano-, nedit-, and wordstar-like keybindings. Again, though, my experience with e3 is very limited, so I can't really tell you if this is the right editor.

    42. Re:Not hard by amdpox · · Score: 1

      I completely agree - vi seems daunting and stupid when you first attempt it, but after a couple of days of adjusting, it allows me to do so many things, so quickly. I was basically told to use vi on my first day at a job, and I now understand why.

    43. Re:Not hard by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 1

      Or you could type in "sudo pmset hibernatemode 0" to disable the write-to-disk behaviour. Or 1 to make it shut off entirely, every time. Personally, I prefer 0.

      (The default is 3, by the way. I never dared to try 2.)

    44. Re:Not hard by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      alias nano='nano -w'

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    45. Re:Not hard by billcopc · · Score: 1

      That's why you should do a static build :)

      Screw the initrd, just dd the emacs executable to the boot sector!

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    46. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      I use the stock vi under Solaris 10 at the job, and the nicest thing I have to say about it is that its the POSIX standard editor, and one should be competent with it at least.
      After that, emacs crushes vi in every particular except size of the executable.

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    47. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      While funny, you realize that the lack of a kernel and hardware support would choke this right after GRUB pulled the emacs image (all of it) into ram and tried to tell it to unpack itself, which the kernel proper accomplishes by having cpio compiled in.

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    48. Re:Not hard by v1 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      So you're saying that a Mac can resume from a suspend-to-RAM faster than other operating systems can boot?

      absolutely! There are very few systems that boot faster than most any OS's reanimation time. I don't believe the OP was considering hibernation as a way to speed boot time because of the possibility of losing ram from an interrupted sleep.

      Did you know that other popular operating systems, such as Windows and Linux, can also suspend to RAM?

      Sure did. Though since I'm not an expert on all of them I'm only sharing what I know best about.

      And will therefore start up at probably about the same speed as a Mac? Or are Macs somehow soooooo much better than other computers?

      Y'know, there are very few things more annoying than an Apple-Fanboi, and one of them is an Anti-Apple-Fanboi. Instead of being one, contribute something constructive - why don't you tell us about some alternative OSs and their reanimation times and behaviors that you have experience with, which helps this person.

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    49. Re:Not hard by electrictroy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Commodore 64 with cartridge-based GEOS. Loads in 1/2 a second. ----- Pen-and-paper. No loading required. ;-)

      As you can tell, I like the older proven technologies versus the newer junk (cough, vista) that takes an eternity. (Another idea: Cellphone-based editor; those bootup rather fast.)

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    50. Re:Not hard by Lennie · · Score: 1

      I bought a E70 instead.

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    51. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      I'm such a huge fan of the Symbian OS.
      Kinda obvious the coders eat their own dogfood--I have to look hard for even minor things I'd change about the functionality.
      The desktop application is great, too. This is the first cel phone I have regularly used as a wireless modem. Props to T-Mobile. Now, if they could just make a Linux version available...

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    52. Re:Not hard by v1 · · Score: 1

      I don't think you can use mode 2 since bit 1 appears to be an added option to bit 0's behavior. Mode 1 is the one that looks a bit strange. (immediate hibernation on sleep?) I've seen mac pros hibernate which I was not expecting... must have manually set mode 3 on them.

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    53. Re:Not hard by russotto · · Score: 1

      Solution: Carry a notepad to scribble on instead of being a douche bag and having to boot a second operating system and all that shit

      Or, as an alternative to that low-tech stuff, you could carry a PDA. Then you can even transfer to the computer if you want.

    54. Re:Not hard by leuk_he · · Score: 1

      can it access fat32 usb?

    55. Re:Not hard by Ant+P. · · Score: 1

      Well it can run a TCP/IP stack, so you could just put the usb drive on an ftp share...

    56. Re:Not hard by Annymouse+Cowherd · · Score: 1

      Damn Small Linux and friends don't boot particularly fast, usually about 30 seconds.

    57. Re:Not hard by ravster · · Score: 1

      Thats what she said

    58. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bar napkin works just as well. Intoxicatingly fast.

    59. Re:Not hard by kisrael · · Score: 1

      I'd say there are different types of "efficiency"; I find "concise keystrokes" to be among the least useful for me purposefully, since what I look for in an editor is "low mental load", i.e., don't give me a lot to keep track of, just give me a small suite of simple keystrokes (and, given my history, this is preferably the Windows-flavor of what originated on the Mac ctrl-x,v,c, etc, with shift-select, good use of home and end keys, etc)

      In particular, the "mental load" of modal editors bugs the hell out of me.

      The other thing too many editors miss is really clear macro recording capabilities...

      I'm not saying you're wrong about what works for you, since you're right on w/ a certain kind of power user... just explaining how what some other geeks look for in editors.

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    60. Re:Not hard by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      I used to be guilty of that -- I coded for years on a TI-83 and never thought why I would need functions or any of that. Then I used C for years without discovering the importance of certain things in functional programming. Today, thankfully, I've outgrown that mental conservatism.

    61. Re:Not hard by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      Not to be combative, but there's far more to vi than keybindings or editing modes. Hell, zsh has vi keybindings, modal and everything.

    62. Re:Not hard by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      It's true that there's more mental load with a modal editor -- initially. In my own case, this lasted for weeks to a month after I started using vim.

      During that time, I also took care to learn new vi commands every day, so that by the time I really got used to vim, I was also quite efficient with it.

      The thing about vi is not that keystrokes are concise. What it's really about is that it gives you enormous expressive power to manipulate text. The fact that the commands are expressed tersely is necessary because if what it did was expressed in Perl or Java would take paragraphs of verbose code. By contrast, the vi user rarely types anything more than 30 actual control characters in any one command, and typically just 5 or so.

    63. Re:Not hard by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      I quite forgot to say that as you mention macros, they're very useful in vim, and in fact can be edited directly (as commands are no more than text). I had great fun using vim macros as short scripts on text.

    64. Re:Not hard by Arterion · · Score: 1

      I was going to say the exact same thing. Just carry a pencil and some paper. Only a douchebag would boot up a laptop to open notepad and save some little note in a text file.

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    65. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if she hadn't a face like forty miles of bad road, and a body like a pear, things might have worked out differently.

    66. Re:Not hard by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      You forgot the killer feature... the inclusion of a kitchen sink, at least for that abominable forked version.

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    67. Re:Not hard by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You have to recompile(which really isn't hard and there are plenty of tutorials for) if you want warp speed. Simply take out support for hardware you don't have(SCSI,SATA,etc) in the particular machine and you can cut down on that time by a lot. Since he is also simply using it as a note taker he could cut out wireless and sound and gain even more speed.

      The point of using Puppy or DSL is that you have a wide range of hardware support and it is already lean. By thinning it down even more and customizing it for your hardware you CAN get it closer to an "instant on" appliance,it just takes a little work. Believe me,I know,as I did the same trick with some 233MHz that I was donating to a church. With a little tweaking it made an almost "instant on" database appliance which they use to keep track of donations,names and addresses for their mailing,etc. Like I said,it'll just take him a little time and a little forum cruising.

      Sorry I didn't save my notes so I could post them somewhere for him,but it was a real "one off" kind of job and I didn't really see the point of saving my notes. I figured if I learned how to do it once,I could learn how again and the tech will have changed so I'd probably need to learn new tricks anyway. They also have SkinnyPup which I haven't really played with because for me it is TOO thin,but for what he is wanting to do he might want to give it a try. Also you get a nice speed boost from installing Puppy to the HDD instead of going LiveCD.

      So if he were my customer and came in with that request,I would first try MacPuppy or DSL and see if that suited his needs. If not,I would use SkinnyPup as a base and recompile with only the barest support for the hardware he needs,which should easily fit it into his requirements. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

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    68. Re:Not hard by Pharmboy · · Score: 1

      Why not just DOS, such as FreeDOS and any text editor to begin with? The entire operating system and editor fits on a floppy disk and takes about 10 seconds to install. I love using linux, but for this task, even the most stripped version would be bloated.

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    69. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you considered a Palm Pilot, thats what I use!

    70. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Have you ever considered perusing the thread, to see how many times the suggestion has been made, or is this a Palm text ad?
      Next time throw in a URL.

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    71. Re:Not hard by billcopc · · Score: 1

      You foolishly underestimate the power of emacs, young grasshopper.

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    72. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      I do love my emacs, but even the Dirty, Harry love has to know its limitations.

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    73. Re:Not hard by MilesAttacca · · Score: 1

      I use Damn Small Linux and I will agree it is fast...once hardware detection's completed. Is there any way to store the results of the detection routine, so that instead of checking for the presence of all hardware at every. single. bootup...it'll read the config from a textfile and just load those drivers straight off? That would make DSL probably five times faster to boot.

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    74. Re:Not hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Symbian used to have a really nice bug where you fill up the filesystem (e.g. with Christmas photos on your shiny new camera phone) and it manages to corrupt the *entire filesystem* even though the phone hasn't crashed. Then everything gets wiped. And of course it's *really hard* to sync all your data like on Palm.

      When a friend mentioned this to someone who worked for Symbian, they said "oh yeah, we know about that one"... That's why I ended up going with PalmOS, for all its faults - it's really good at not losing your data.

    75. Re:Not hard by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      And of course it's *really hard* to sync all your data like on Palm.

      Haven't noticed that one, sorry.

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  2. Wake up by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My laptop never shuts down, I always just put it to sleep. Flip open, hack away. Less than 5 seconds. Oh, that's under Ubuntu, by the way.

    1. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's less than 2 seconds for me under Vis NO CARRIER

    2. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Hibernate is not always a practical solution.

      For instance, I have an eee PC, with 2GB ram, and 4GB internal flash drive.

      To be able to hibernate, I'd have to have a 2GB swap file, which would mean not using over half of the flash drive.

      If Linux could reliably identify the external USB flash drives and the card reader always with the same mount point, this would not be a problem. As I could put the swap file on them. But Linux can't do that.

    3. Re:Wake up by norbac · · Score: 1

      Same here on Vista... This person is doing something seriously wrong.

    4. Re:Wake up by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      LinuxBIOS/Coreboot will get a system up in 3 seconds or less. Add in a busybox/light distro, and you've usable editors, network tools, utilities and the BSD games available about as fast as you'll get. Well, if you replace the flash with a large enough PROM, you might shave a little more time, as a permanent gate should be faster than a programmable gate.

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    5. Re:Wake up by martinw89 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Why the hell is this modded interesting when it's so obviously flamebait?

      He doesn't argue against putting the computer to sleep instead of turning it off. The most this AC says is that if he was in the TSA he would pull your goddamn battery out. Who gives a shit? Save what you're working on before you put the computer to sleep.

    6. Re:Wake up by boshi · · Score: 1

      My laptop suspends to disk around the same time as it suspends to ram, so if it was sleeping and you yanked my battery it would just mean an extra 10 or so seconds to wake it up.

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    7. Re:Wake up by StackedCrooked · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nothing wrong with some out of the box thinking. Btw, you are free to ignore the responses you don't like and focus on the ones that you do find helpful.

    8. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use suspend/sleep mode all the time on my Toshiba laptop. Just FN-F3 and its down in about 10 seconds. Open the lid and its up in about 15 seconds (just because I have too much junk loaded) with WiFi. Keep your install very lightweight and it will be faster.

      Beyond that, a PDA/phone with a notepad and internet connection or a bluetooth connection might be the way for quick notes.

      Or a FlyPen Fusion? Needs special paper though. Upload a JPG image of the page when you're back online.

    9. Re:Wake up by flyingsquid · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      Hi, umm, moron? I'm sorry you can't read and everything but I'm also sorry that every time I search for info about fast-booting, there's always some pious sh*thead going on about that's not needed. Isn't there some place where you can go and congratulate all the non-booting lusers on not booting and leave those of us who want info on fast booting alone? If I worked for the TSA I would so have you in my queue and pull your g*dd*mned battery out and say "Hmmm, booting, much?"

      Dude, you really sound like you don't get laid too often. Even by this crowd's standards- and that's saying something.

    10. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I do too.

      My cheap version of a fast boot. I love it!

    11. Re:Wake up by ArsonSmith · · Score: 0

      No he says he's asking about fast boot time and someone else said it's a non issue cause you can just put the system to sleep.

      If he had asked for advice on increasing performance of his car, and someone said cars are obsolete, just take a train, he may have a similar reaction.

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    12. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, you really sound like you don't get laid too often. Even by this crowd's standards- and that's saying something.

      No it's not, I get laid all the time. There is likely plenty of others here who also get laid on a regular basis. Still, your point stands..

    13. Re:Wake up by rincebrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not true.

      It might not do it nicely for you by default, but you can configure udev rules to guarantee the mount points correctly.

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    14. Re:Wake up by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      True, however if you are going to be using it for a few hours/most of the day as just a notepad, or will only be using it for a single application, then you could/should be able to disable a dimm, or otherwise limit the memory in the BIOS which would knock it down to 1GB, and thats far more do-able (on a 4GB drive) or even 512MB if its in 4 dimms... and should still easily support whatever quick apps you need (on XP or Linux anyways)

    15. Re:Wake up by Simon80 · · Score: 3, Informative

      actually, it can: run

      ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/

      then add a line to your fstab like

      UUID=133f762c-1837-42a4-81ad-6e84eb34a3f6 none swap sw 0 0

      I'm not sure what the sw option is, couldn't find it in any of the expected manpages, so you may want to just use defaults instead.

    16. Re:Wake up by pizzach · · Score: 4, Informative

      $> man hibernate.conf

      PowerdownMethod (requires UseSuspend2 on)

      Allows you to choose what Software Suspend 2 should do after writing its image to disk. 3/4/5 will only work if you have ACPI enabled in your kernel. 3/4/5 correspond to the ACPI states S3 (suspend-to-RAM), S4 (suspend-to-disk), and S5 (power off). Choosing 3 will request your machine to enter the S3 Suspend-to-RAM state if it is supported - this allows you drastically cut the resume time waiting for your BIOS but still consumes power whilst hibernated (though the image is not lost should power run out). Choosing 4 will cause your machine to enter an S4 sleep state which may also reduce the resume time without using any power whilst hibernated. Choose ing 5 will cause your machine to switch off after suspending (traditional method) but might still cause your machine to resume when you open the lid. 0 bypasses ACPI and shuts off the machine completely.

      Another words there is a another option that gives you instant on and protects against dead batteries on Linux. Apple computers do a version of this by default.

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    17. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's very helpful, thanks.

    18. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, I got sick and tired of my XP laptop taking 5 minutes to boot so I just put it to sleep mode instead of shutting it down every night. Wake up in the morning, press a button... ready to go!

    19. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do the same with all my laptops, always stand-by. I just shut them down like once on a week to let them rest. And I run XP on two of them (the game rig and eeepc) and ubuntu on my work beast.

    20. Re:Wake up by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The best choice for you is probably Mac OS X.... Mac OS X cold boots in about 20-25 seconds on a Macbook....

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    21. Re:Wake up by FalconZero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Continuing your analogy and at the risk of starting an argument; It's more like he's asking for advice on increasing the performance of his car because he wants to get A to B in under 2 hours. If someone were to point out that the train only takes 1 hour, it would be a point worthy of consideration.

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    22. Re:Wake up by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he had asked for advice on increasing performance of his car, and someone said cars are obsolete, just take a train, he may have a similar reaction.

      The poster wanted to get a text editor open as fast as possible. Explaining to him that not shutting the computer down in the first place but simply putting it into a sleep mode is faster than booting is a perfectly valid and reasonable response. After all, it helps him towards his underlying goal.

      To take your analogy, it's like asking for ways to increase your car's power to be able to travel between two distant cities faster, and being told that there's a maglev going every fifteen minutes. It's a perfectly valid answer.

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    23. Re:Wake up by LittleBigScript · · Score: 1

      I agree with working around boot-up time on a laptop if it supports a suspend mode, through ahci. He mentions boot-up time being a problem, but he also mentions that he has a laptop.

    24. Re:Wake up by jeremyp · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sleep does work with Mac OS X on a MacBook. I never turn mine off, I just shut the lid. When I want to use it again, it takes a few seconds to display the screen saver password prompt.

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    25. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's a whole lot easier than making you smarter, apparently. Please turn in your geek card (if you ever had one) on the way out.

    26. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to troll, you can go ahead and just type out the curse words. Just sayin'.

    27. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is more like being told not to leave the other city in the first place.

    28. Re:Wake up by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      No you are ignoring his request and just solving his end goal. His request had two requirements.

      1) boot fast
      2) get to a text editor in under 20 seconds

      If I asked how can I make my car go faster, I'd like to be able to get from A-B in under 2 hours and you say take the train it'll get you there in 1. That's great but it only solves half the problem and creates another. My car is still slow, and now once I get to point 'b' I have no car to get around.

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    29. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like showing up to a horse race with a motorcycle sure its faster but it avoids the idea of it being "A horse race"

    30. Re:Wake up by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      for you if a hot chick walked up to you and said i want to have your baby, you would take her to the sperm bank

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    31. Re:Wake up by donstenk · · Score: 1

      Exactly my thoughts.... have not booted my 2 year old MacBook since I have it.

      Oh, and it takes a second, by the way.

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    32. Re:Wake up by jsebrech · · Score: 1

      My car is still slow, and now once I get to point 'b' I have no car to get around.

      The analogy is flawed. In this case, using the "sleep" function of the laptop doesn't take away any of the laptop's functionality. In fact, using the sleep function is probably the best advice, since any fast-booting OS will probably be less capable than the OS it has right now.

    33. Re:Wake up by A+non-mouse+Coward · · Score: 1

      OK, but what about cold boot attacks?

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    34. Re:Wake up by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      The details are flawed, it's an analogy they're suppose to be, the comparison is the same. You are assuming that his only goal is requirement 2. Perhaps he has other reasons for requirement 1 and requirement 2 was an example of his other reasons. If he had asked, "What's the fastest way to get to a text editor?" then you would have been right.

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    35. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The simplest thing to see here is that we do not know why the computer is being shut down, rather than put to sleep. There could be some reason for that behavior which wasn't explained for the fact that it is not needed to answer the fast boot question.

      it's like asking for ways to increase your car's power to be able to travel between two distant cities faster, and being told that there's a maglev going every fifteen minutes. It's a perfectly valid answer.

      Yeah, right, perfectly valid answer. I now have to explain to you that I have a 250~300 pound kit to haul between the cities this trip for some product demonstration. Not that I mind you knowing about the product demo, but I didn't want to waste the time telling everyone in the world I ask to get a simple question to a simple answer. Do you know how much it costs to ship something that heavy? If I have to be there anyway, I'd rather drive it there myself.

      Perhaps this guy dual-boots his lappy and doesn't want to worry about having to do a full re-boot when he powers up because this time he needs Linux instead of M$, or vice-versa. He did mention the start-up times for 2 different OS's on his kit.

      Flaimbait/Troll time:
      If I ask a questions looking for a solution to problem X, I need a fucking solution to PROBLEM X. I do not need alternative Y. If you don't know the reason behind asking the question, you are a fucking moron if you assume that you know better alternatives without knowing full details of the situation at hand.

    36. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do this on a regular basis. I telecommute 2 days per week and often just fold my laptop when I leave work on Monday and open it and start working on Tuesday at home, close it when done and open it at work on Wednesday. This usually works well for about 3-4 weeks, after which I have to reboot. Lots of little things start acting weird, such as wifi connectivity becoming hit or miss and outlook crashing more than usual and the system starting to take longer to open windows even when there are no longer any applications running (services are another story). There is apparently a memory leak somewhere, so its not perfect, but if anyone had said to me a few years ago that I would be using a windows laptop that I only had to reboot once a month or so, I'd have laughed at them. Say what you want, but XP post SP2 is probably Microsoft's finest work, and judging by the crap that is vista, probably the point at which they crested. Its all downhill from here.

    37. Re:Wake up by Orange+Crush · · Score: 1

      Is that really a cold boot, or resuming from hibernation? I noticed on my parents' iMac the boot time was much longer the first time after installing an OSX patch and I figured it was just because OSX had to truly shut down completely and reboot from scratch to apply the patch.

    38. Re:Wake up by wiresquire · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The summary is a classic example of poorly written requirements that makes assumptions about the solution.

      Spend more time on what you want to do and why you want to do it. Don't say HOW.

      ws

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    39. Re:Wake up by DarkAvZ · · Score: 1

      You have not opened it yet?

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    40. Re:Wake up by me+at+werk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple computers do a version of this by default.

      Yes, it's called Safe Sleep. In fact, that whole article (on Hibernate) is informative for all the major OSes, but it could use information on BSD (and perhaps OS/2, if that even runs on laptops?)

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    41. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably only counting the progress bar rather than including gray screen (which is when the kernel is actually starting up.)

      I've never seen a Mac that could go from powerbutton to login screen in 30 seconds anyway.

    42. Re:Wake up by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's a cold boot. Hibernation actually can take longer, depending on how much RAM you have and how many pages are dirty.

      I noticed on my parents' iMac the boot time was much longer the first time after installing an OSX patch and I figured it was just because OSX had to truly shut down completely and reboot from scratch to apply the patch.

      No, the boot time is very long after an OS install because all the boot caches have to be rebuilt. Different computers require different drivers. Mac OS X combines all of the drivers for a specific machine along with the kernel and wraps them up into a single file so that it can be read in all at once (and fairly contiguously) instead of bouncing all around the disk reading thousands of individual files one at a time.

      When the OS is updated, a number of those drivers change (and the kernel changes), so the OS has to go back through all the drivers and rebuild the cache. In the process of doing so, it is also loading each of those drivers the slow way (one file at a time), so booting takes a lot longer. The same thing happens if you carry a hard drive with a Mac OS X installation from one machine to another (unless they are roughly the same model of machine, that is).

      Anyway, that boot cache is one big reason Mac OS X boots so quickly. Another big reason is that it puts off a lot of stuff until after it has booted so that it can bring up the UI as quickly as possible. In many cases, daemons may not all be started by the time Finder comes up, for example. The third reason is that Mac OS X runs a lot of daemons on demand, which means that the daemon starts running the first time something sends it a request. This further defers starting a lot of services until much later.

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    43. Re:Wake up by Galactic+Dominator · · Score: 1

      Perfectly valid if the question was how to travel between point A and B faster. When the question specifically states using method X, replacing it with Y is not valid.

      You would have gotten that question wrong on an math exam if the instructor called for one method of solving an equation and you substituted another, regardless of whether your method is more efficient.

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    44. Re:Wake up by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Ok hows this, How can I make my computer go from a cold, shut down, state to a text editor in under 20 seconds or less?

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    45. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always just put it to sleep.

      Awwwwww.

    46. Re:Wake up by daybot · · Score: 1

      The best choice for you is probably Mac OS X.... Mac OS X cold boots in about 20-25 seconds on a Macbook....

      Some figures from my C2D MacBook Pro:

      Power on to login screen: 00:48
      Login screen to dock: 00:42
      Finish spinning beach ball: 00:41
      Finish disk chugging: 01:36
      Open Safari first time: 00:30
      Open iTunes first time: 00:24
      Open Dashboard first time: 00:12

      I only ever cold boot for system updates and the sleep functions well, but it's a good job, because it takes almost five minutes to cold boot and get the essentials running. Leopard is very slow booting - Tiger was much faster, and hopefully Snow Leopard will restore sanity to my boot times.

    47. Re:Wake up by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      Then his question was badly asked. You don't ask a question on how to do A so that you can then do B, then reject an answer that gives you B without A. It's nonsensical and antisocial, and you're being silly for defending it.

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    48. Re:Wake up by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Another words [...]

      The phrase is "in other words"...

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    49. Re:Wake up by magarity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Suspend to disk instead of just sleep makes the questioner's 20 second requirement and doesn't trickle away the battery if he plans to carry it around a lot while it's off. I suppose it depends on the ratio of sleep/suspend time to use time which one is better. I always use suspend to prevent the battery running out if I'm not paying attention, or when travelling if a TSA goon pulls the battery or somesuch.

    50. Re:Wake up by pizzach · · Score: 1

      Crap. That's strike two for me. ;-p Thanks.

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    51. Re:Wake up by timbck2 · · Score: 1

      You haven't installed any OS or security updates in 2 years? I don't believe you.

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    52. Re:Wake up by spazdor · · Score: 3, Funny

      Anyone reading the discussion from top to bottom may wish to keep a finger on the PgDn key from here on in.

      What follows is at least 4 pagefuls of shitty car metaphors.

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    53. Re:Wake up by mikenator.L · · Score: 0

      My Vista goes from sleep to ready in 2 also, thats how I get small typing/printing jobs done quick that I need done.

    54. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The poster wanted to get a text editor open as fast as possible.

      Has anyone suggested that he carry a pen and paper? Zero boot time, and excellent data integrity.

      (Funny or insightful ... funny or insightful?)

    55. Re:Wake up by shellbeach · · Score: 1

      Another words there is a another option that gives you instant on and protects against dead batteries on Linux. Apple computers do a version of this by default.

      Of course, you're assuming that your BIOS's implementation of S3 works with linux. Mine never has.

      As for the poster's original question, if it's really that important I'd recommend compiling your own minimalist kernel, and writing your own boot scripts. Years ago, I got Crux linux to boot to a login prompt in 15 seconds from power on, using an old P120 laptop. On today's hardware, you should be able to start linux in a few seconds with your own custom kernel.

      (Remember: most of the sh*t in the boot scripts included in distros is not needed for your own configuration. You want fast, just re-write them to suit your own hardware. It's simple and easy to do. Crux is a pretty good starter system, if you want to do this.)

    56. Re:Wake up by Macman408 · · Score: 1

      I actually prefer to read the discussion completely unnested, and from left to right. It requires a really tall monitor, but I enjoy the challenge.

      You see, it's a lot like drifting...

    57. Re:Wake up by Provocateur · · Score: 1

      That's it, gents: I hereby declare the death of the car analogy. From this point on, we shall now use, If a hot chick walked up to you...analogies, to broaden the appeal of slahsdot discussion forums to a much wider, possibly younger demographic. Hopefully they are from the tech crowd as well, but not from digg.

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    58. Re:Wake up by NemosomeN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not all laptops are good with sleeping. My Asus Eee is a wonderful laptop, love it. But the harddrive is too small to waste on a hibernate file, and sleep draws way too much power (It has a long battery life despite having a small battery - it's just low draw. Sleep draws about the same power no matter what. So on smaller batteries, sleep is expensive).

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    59. Re:Wake up by kramerd · · Score: 1

      No, its like asking how to get his car's engine to turn on faster so he can drive it, and you responding to keep the car on at all times.

      While it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do if you have an electric car and can just run it off an outlet, under many circumstances (such as if you can't afford or simply chose not to run your car 24/7), it is not possible or efficient. It is not a solution to direct issue either.

      To put this in a food analogy (which is just as valid as a car analogy, despite the fact that this is /.), if I asked you how to make fried chicken faster, because getting the oil to boil takes too long, and you responded that I should just always keep a batch of oil boiling, you would be correct, but it would be an inefficient solution, and not the task orientation that I would be looking for.

      The best example, of course, would be if I were working out and wanted to record my progress quickly in an electronic format, you could tell me to keep my text editor on at all times. Granted, the simple solution would be to use a pen and paper, but I suppose telling me to send myself a text message on my cell phone would be a viable option, even if it is an unreasonable one.

    60. Re:Wake up by ArsonSmith · · Score: 0

      Then his question was badly answered. You don't answer a question on how to do A so that you can then do B, by reject A and answer only B without A. It's nonsensical and antisocial, and you're being silly for defending it.

      There, fixed that for ya.

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    61. Re:Wake up by Sam+Lowry · · Score: 1

      Wakeup from sleep is actually very fast in the latest Linux kernels. 5 seconds is what I get, as well, on an HP 6910p

    62. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's nice.

      the first thing I did when I bought my macbook was to wipe the drive. The install DVD went in the trash.

      I've had enough of that fake unix BS at work.

      Decent hardware though. About the only cheap portable that included mini-DVI and gigabit ethernet.

    63. Re:Wake up by T3Tech · · Score: 1

      I'm still using an A2000 and don't mess with anything else, you insensitive clod!

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    64. Re:Wake up by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      The sw option is a legacy thing, I think; it used to be that swapon -a would only activate devices of type swap with options sw; as of util-linux 2.12, released in early 2004, swapon -a activates all devices of type swap without options noauto, hence behaving like every other fstab entry and making options sw superfluous.

    65. Re:Wake up by hasdikarlsam · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the screen saver *crashes*, and it becomes impossible to unlock.
      Sometimes it just refuses to power on for no apparent reason.

      Turning off the screen-saver password, for some bizarre reason, fixes both problems. Of course, that does mean I have to pay attention to where I've put my laptop..

    66. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      except that there is an inherent problem with suspend2ram/disk. the memory gets fragmented after a while and RAM leaks are also a problem. its not a good solution to use it *always*.

    67. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but I might neglect to mention my vasectomy.

    68. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Another words" makes no sense but "In other words" does.

    69. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for you if a hot chick walked up to you and said i want to have your baby, you would take her to the sperm bank

      A little sex with a hot chick isn't worth having to deal with her and your spawn for the next 18+ years.

    70. Re:Wake up by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Either your hard drive is an older model than the current one or you don't have nearly enough RAM. My MacBook (3GB) with an Apple-labeled 7200 RPM Seagate drive boots to Finder in 27 seconds from when I hit the power button. Safari launch is so close to instantaneous that it isn't worth timing. iTunes launch takes about 12 seconds. Dashboard: about three seconds, two of which are spent blocked waiting for hosts out on the Internet to reply.

      Seriously, if it takes 30 seconds to launch Safari with a current MBP, something is massively wrong. It only takes 22 seconds (in 10.4, admittedly) on my old G3 PowerBook... while still paging from the boot.... Get more RAM.

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    71. Re:Wake up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, fucktard. Being told not to edit text at all is like being told not to leave the city in the first place.

      How the fuck do such stupid morons like you even manage to cut your own food up?

    72. Re:Wake up by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Sometimes the screen saver *crashes*, and it becomes impossible to unlock. Sometimes it just refuses to power on for no apparent reason. Turning off the screen-saver password, for some bizarre reason, fixes both problems. Of course, that does mean I have to pay attention to where I've put my laptop..

      Are you running Tiger? The password screen hanging issue happens to my wife's powerbook too. She deals with it by simply closing the lid again, which seems to reset the password request.

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    73. Re:Wake up by TheNetAvenger · · Score: 1

      Why does Apple even get mentioned here?

      OS X didn't even have a suspend to disk/hibernate option while Windows users were enjoying both hybrid suspend and hibernate.

      Vista adds in a dual mode that initiates the hibernate 'write' during the suspend, so if power is lost it is still available.

      However, XP would do suspend and then when it detected a low battery would do a full hibernate. (Basically the same thing, just the hibernate write happens only when needed.)

      Yet... Apple after catching up several years later is the OS people think of when it comes to Sx states and instant on?

      WTF is wrong with people?

      Also WTF is it with boot times? Who in the hell doesn't use suspend or hibernate mechanisms on a computer, especially a laptop anymore?

      As for Boot Times, I see pokes at Vista.

      Is 20 secs to Desktop on a 2004 HP Laptop with 1GB of RAM really that slow? How about 15secs on a Clevo 2005 laptop?

      Suspend resume, Vista, Instant.
      Hibernate resume, 4-5 secs.

      I would love to get OS X or ANY LINUX distribution to boot or resume as fast as Vista on the same hardware.

      I know this is SlashDot, but what type of crap virtualized tests have people been using to get 4min Vista or XP boot times?

      Holy freaking cow, I have a 200mhz 80GB 1997 laptop with XP that fully boots to desktop in under 1 min. It even resumes from hibernate in 10 secs. (With original 5gb 4200rpm HD even)

      Geesh...

    74. Re:Wake up by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      lol

      I thought that you were just being funny and/or cynical about the car metaphors.

      lol

    75. Re:Wake up by daybot · · Score: 1

      Get more RAM.

      4GB dude... I think it's the speed of the hard drive - I have the 4200RPM drive for noise and battery life but that's the trade-off. It's interesting to see your figures.

    76. Re:Wake up by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      From doing a bit of traveling with older laptops ('01-'05), leaving a laptop in sleep mode doesn't use all that much power over hibernate (suspend to disk).

      However, I've not had to deal with TSA goons who pull battery packs out.

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    77. Re:Wake up by Henk+Poley · · Score: 1

      No, half a second can be right. Try loading a lot of tabs, browse in them until the browser dies. Now start Safari again. It will be slow, probably cleaning up caches.

      I'm seeing it all the time, as this is my usual way of needing to start the browser (again).

    78. Re:Wake up by craagz · · Score: 1

      .. but what about getting to the Train? Will there be transport from the train station to the point where he wants to be?

    79. Re:Wake up by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      If I asked how can I make my car go faster, I'd like to be able to get from A-B in under 2 hours and you say take the train it'll get you there in 1. That's great but it only solves half the problem and creates another. My car is still slow, and now once I get to point 'b' I have no car to get around.

      And how exactly is that modification to the analogy in ANY way relevant to the original post? You know, the one where he said he can pull out his computer and in 5 seconds he has his OS up and fully functional?

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    80. Re:Wake up by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Ah. Yes, that makes a huge difference. I have a 7200 RPM Apple drive. I didn't know the MacBook Pro was available with the 7200 RPM drive. I guess that's an option that is no longer offered.

      That said, I wouldn't have expected the difference to be quite that extreme (factor of 15 on Safari launch is HUGE)... except that the 4200 was a couple generations of hard drive back and laptop drives have increased in performance a lot recently. IIRC, there was a significant performance difference between the 7200.1 and the 7200.2 Momentus series in Seagate's line just in the last two years or so.

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    81. Re:Wake up by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      And just to clarify that first paragraph, by Apple drive, I mean I have an Apple-label 7200.2 Seagate Momentus....

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    82. Re:Wake up by donstenk · · Score: 1

      Haha, I said booted, not rebooted. I have done that and it seems I am doing it more often as there are more updates - or so it seems. It is rather annoying. One of the reasons I closed on windows was the constant nagging: windows update, antivirus, antithis and that.

      Never been in the situation though that I needed the computer and had to wait for it to start.

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  3. Suspend to disk? by FalconZero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most modern O/S support suspend to disk which can give you a usable desktop in under 20s. Per your example both XP and Ubuntu can do it in that time. And that's ignoring the even faster suspend to ram which almost all laptops feature these days (granted that for that there is a power requirement).

    It's not in the 'spirit' of your question, but perhaps it's a better solution to your problem?

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    1. Re:Suspend to disk? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You don't need a new OS, you need a new motherboard.

      Asus has "Express Gate" on their newer mobos that allow you to boot into a web-surfing, email only mini OS in "less than 5 seconds" without having to worry about whether you slept, suspended or hibernated the previous tme you shut down your PC.

      Ok, its basically an on-board Linix distro, so you do need a better OS after all.

    2. Re:Suspend to disk? by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      btw my pentium 100 aptiva from 1996 could do this. IBM rapidstart or something, it worked flawlessly. IBM seems like a slowly progressing company, but sometimes they hit the nail just right, ages before anyone else does. On a similar note: Please bring back lotus wordpro, big blue!

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    3. Re:Suspend to disk? by dw604 · · Score: 1

      Does it allow you to write changes to an NTFS partition?

    4. Re:Suspend to disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is in the 'spirit' of his question; it's not in the 'letter' of his question.

    5. Re:Suspend to disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      moleskine compact notebook and a cross pen. Boots in about three seconds (one to draw out the notebook, flip the elastic and open it, 2 to find the pen...)

    6. Re:Suspend to disk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On my brand new Vista laptop with 4 gigs of ram suspend to disk is not fast at all. I just clocked it and it took 1 minute and 45 seconds to hibernate and roughly the same amount of time to resume. Also, when I resumed I put an SD card in the memory card reader and it hard locked the system. Sleep works really well though and a cold-boot to the login screen takes 20 seconds or so (quite a bit more after that to be usable). My Linux box is the exact opposite. Sleep just crashes the system whereas hibernate is very quick and cold-boots are very slow.

      My experience is that ACPI states vary quite a bit from system to system. It's almost as if there were a standard that nobody followed.

  4. toms root by alex4u2nv · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:toms root by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a damned nice floppy image.

      It's unfortunate however, that most workstations I deal with these days don't have a floppy drive anymore. So it's now either carrying around a floppy drive and a floppy or a cd-rom drive and a cd.

      I do remember though that I didn't mind *at*all* that these damned floppies be thrown out finally. They're irreliable, fragile, and the drives are error prone and slow. I've yet to have problems with cdroms, as long as I keep them in the case and so on. Floppies you could be careful with all you want and they'll still have failures.

      So where I can I'll use an USB stick... otherwise its just cdroms. I can read 30 floppies from my cd and you'll be busy with the first still.

    2. Re:toms root by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Floppy disks are still the simplest to boot, because every boot mechanism that can load a linux kernel with an initrd can boot floppy images: Just load memdisk (from the syslinux package) as a pseudo Linux kernel and the floppy image as the initrd. That means you can boot a floppy from hard disk, network, CD/DVD, USB and anything else your firmware of choice can access. With gPXE in your BIOS or on your network card, you can even load the floppy image from a web server anywhere in the world.

    3. Re:toms root by aronzak · · Score: 1

      No good. It has no SCSI (and thus no USB drivers). It had it's day but is no good these days. I'd recommend ttylinux.

  5. DOS by shiftless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about DOS?

    1. Re:DOS by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually not a bad idea.
      Except that you're likely to hate the filesystem choices available.

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    2. Re:DOS by shiftless · · Score: 5, Informative

      OK, in restrospect that's funny, but I was being serious. FreeDOS meets all his requirements. It boots to command line in just a few seconds, supports FAT32, is easy to use, and there are countless thousands of high quality text editors of all flavors available for it. It even has TCP/IP support and such, and it can be booted off the oldest, smallest, most worthless thumb drive that you possibly own.

    3. Re:DOS by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe you meant that as a joke, but you're not far off:

      Kolibrios is a full, modern OS with a desktop. Written in Assembly, which as you can imagine makes in unbelievably fast. Can boot from a floppy.

      I just tried it out a few days ago

      http://www.kolibrios.org/

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    4. Re:DOS by c_g_hills · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can mount NTFS/ext2 in DOS using Paragon IFSDRV. There are probably drivers for other filesystems available if one looks around. A quick google reveals a long list of DOS software at www.unet.univie.ac.at.

    5. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yet can still access fat32 formatted USB drive

    6. Re:DOS by ZosX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice. Their files included a trojan and a rootkit, at least according to avast. Maybe false positives. Maybe not. Who can say? The rootkit was the telling one.

    7. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      In that same vein, there's also MenuetOS, although I've never used it, so I can't vouch for how well it functions.

    8. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about emacs?
      When I type emacs, starts in about five seconds.
      Problem is there is no decent editor ported to it yet...

    9. Re:DOS by jkerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      DOS will not have any of the power management features required to operate a modern laptop. The hit to your battery life would be SEVERE

    10. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't you just hit F8 (or F12 can't remember) to get the options for a non-regular windows start up and enter safe mode with command prompt and use the command line to open up edit?

      Or is the XP version of DOS too dumbed down and retarded for this to work?

      You should be able to bring up the Linux command line as well quite easily and use nano or some such text editor. Not sure as to speed on either.

    11. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how people presume that because something is written in assembly it is TEH BLAZORINGS FAAASSSTTTT!!!111

      Guess what? Your compiler writes assembly better than you 95% of the time. That's why we use it.

    12. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a joke - DOS is extremely fast with today's computers. Many years ago, we had upgraded one of my microprocessor development labs to 486 computers (yes a long long time ago), we were still using DOS based programs and the programs absolutely flew on the new computers. I've since found that several of the old sluggish DOS based programs run faster than the latest WinXP versions. Autocad is an example. here's a website where I show how to run Autocad Release 11 in high resolution on the newer hardware:
      http://www.cadvision.com/blanchas/vesa-autocad.html

    13. Re:DOS by Kooglebot · · Score: 1

      FreeDOS (and MS-DOS too) can't access USB flash drives -- at least not out of the box, without a (nonfree, hard-to-find) third party utility of some kind. Not in my experience, anyway. If you actually boot from the drive, that will work, since it is recognized by the BIOS (if it is a new enough board), and not the the OS (which cannot). You probably don't want to do that, though.

    14. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can boot from a *what* ???
      I have only USB-sticks ;-)

    15. Re:DOS by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Informative

      good idea, except that the "safe mode with command prompt" option that comes with XP boots up fully into safe mode, and the only difference is that it loads cmd.exe in a window as the shell instead of Explorer. You can actually exit out of cmd, give it a 3-finger salute, run program, and run "explorer" to get into "normal" safe mode.

      XP doesn't have the underlying DOS that was there in Windows 9X. It's NT-based. Installing a multi-boot with FreeDOS might be an option, though. That was certainly my first thought.

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    16. Re:DOS by Kooglebot · · Score: 1

      What about the FDAPM utility for FreeDOS? It's pretty basic, but can blank the screen, put the machine in "sleep" mode, etc.

    17. Re:DOS by pipatron · · Score: 1

      No, you use it because it writes assembly faster than you, 100% of the time. Ever since the first compilers came out, people have been claiming that it makes faster code without having any clue, and without backing it up.

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    18. Re:DOS by chill · · Score: 3, Informative

      FreeDOS can boot from a USB stick. I have one at the office for flashing Dell server BIOS images. It boots pretty much in the blink of an eye. Very, very fast.

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    19. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that it is written in assembly, it's highly likely to be a false-positive. The images are intended to be written to a disc and booted anyway, so what would a trojan or a rootkit for another OS do?

    20. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a bootable OS. This is basically all a root kit is. ... ...

    21. Re:DOS by couchslug · · Score: 1

      There are a variety of USB drivers for DOS.

      The "Disk Operating System" (so named to keep the Win9x noobs in their proper forums) section of the computing.net forums has plenty of info for the searching.

      http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/wwwboard.html

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    22. Re:DOS by fishyfool · · Score: 4, Informative

      you can boot into dos from a usb drive formatted fat 32, all it requires is bios support. download the HP USB disk storage format tool http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,64963-order,4-page,1-c,peripherals/description.html have a dos boot floppy handy for the necessary dos files. run the format tool, and then tell it where your dos files are. then install whatever dos tools you want from http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php?n=Main.Links it should run on any computer that can boot from usb.

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    23. Re:DOS by Warbothong · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try MenuetOS then http://www.menuetos.net/ It's what Kolibri is based on. At least, Kolibri is based on the Free Software 32bit MenuetOS. The author has since switched to a 64bit version which isn't Free Software (hence Kolibri exists).

    24. Re:DOS by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That it was written in assembly directly means that it is unbelievably fast only if the person writing the assembly can do, say, global register allocation optimization in his head...

      While there are tasks for which hand-coded assembly really is faster, those are very special tasks. A complete OS is not one of them.

    25. Re:DOS by Wainamoinen · · Score: 1

      Also a quite stable, with small footprint and nice-looking is MenuetOS.

      http://www.menuetos.net/

      - Pre-emptive multitasking with 1000hz scheduler, multithreading, ring-3 protection
      - Responsive GUI with resolutions up to 1280x1024, 16 million colours
      - Free-form, transparent and skinnable application windows, drag'n drop
      - IDE: Editor/Assembler for applications
      - USB 2.0 Hi-speed storage, webcam and printer support
      - TCP/IP stack with Loopback Ethernet drivers
      - Email/ftp/http/chess clients and ftp/mp3/http servers
      - Hard real-time data fetch
      - Fits on a single floppy

    26. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PENIS!

    27. Re:DOS by usasma · · Score: 1

      Yep, DOS would be it for me also

    28. Re:DOS by Kooglebot · · Score: 1

      It's true that there are USB drivers available for DOS -- but which ones can be obtained legally? DUSE and USBASPI are not freely distributable as far as I know -- USBASPI seems to have been written by Panasonic and distributed with their own hardware. A number of posters on www.computering.net seemed to imply that they are quite scarce as well (which would figure). As I said, non-free (as in freedom, and as in beer), and hard-to-find. Can any of these drivers be obtained and used legally?

    29. Re:DOS by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      And use a copy of microemacs -- works under MS-DOS as well as *nix

    30. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You must be a kid. When I was younger, I used to be amazed at how much the old demoscene groups could push a 286 or 386 to do. All because they were writing pure, optimised assembly code.

      Have a look at the 512 byte, 1k, 4k and 64k demos on pouet.net sometime. You can't do that kind of optimisation without pure assembly.

    31. Re:DOS by mariushm · · Score: 1

      Better yet, how about FreeDOS?

    32. Re:DOS by mariushm · · Score: 1

      He needs the laptop running a light OS just to input some text in the laptop from time to time.

      Battery won't be drained in 5 minutes, and would probably last longer simply because the video card is running in text mode, no wifi, usb and other drivers loaded (maybe those devices arent even enabled)

    33. Re:DOS by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are a couple of other advances to hand-coded assembler: reduced code volume, reduced complexity, and reduced feature/scope creep.

      Not because hand-coded assembly is faster, mind you... just because it's less typing to write small OSes than big ones.

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    34. Re:DOS by celle · · Score: 1

      There's also MenuetOS.

      http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm

    35. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kolibios is based off Menuet, the 1MB OS :-)

    36. Re:DOS by shiftless · · Score: 1

      FreeDOS does in fact support power management. It doesn't really matter anyways; we're talking about booting up the laptop quickly, jotting some stuff down, then turning it back off again.

    37. Re:DOS by shiftless · · Score: 1

      I wasn't joking, but thanks for posting, I'll have to give that one a try

    38. Re:DOS by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "Can any of these drivers be obtained and used legally?"

      I doubt it, and for folks who care that much the best solution is to ditch proprietary DOS and switch to something better such as Linux.

      I'd just download the drivers. Those providing them surely know that, like boot floppy images of yore, they will be used for more than the intended purpose.

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    39. Re:DOS by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      I use Eset Nod32, and, with the latest updates, it comes up with zero infected files. Maybe you should post the names of the infected files, or scan them with an aggregate scanner.

    40. Re:DOS by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      How about DOS?
      That's what I thought. DOS 6+ or some type of free Dos would be the fastest and easiest way.
      I used an old 386 with a dot matrix for stuff like invoices and text but got sick of re-inking the ribbons.
      There's some gui text editors around too.
      I have an Apple //e with a HD that boots very fast as well into native 80 column mode.
      The trick here is to use fast old hardware and stripped down OS.

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    41. Re:DOS by wyattstafford1 · · Score: 1

      my av detected Small.AEK when I looked at the download. are you saying this is a false detect and it is not harmful?

    42. Re:DOS by kEnder242 · · Score: 1

      If DOS will work, how about EFI?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Firmware_Interface#The_EFI_shell

      Boots fast (part of BIOS), usb, fat16, "portable" if you can find a laptop with it.

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    43. Re:DOS by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

      DOS will not have any of the power management features required to operate a modern laptop. The hit to your battery life would be SEVERE

      The other way to say this is that the CPU(s) and fan will run as hard as they can the whole time the system is running in memory.

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    44. Re:DOS by yurigoul · · Score: 1

      DOS + WP5.1 Ah, that brings back memories

    45. Re:DOS by m50d · · Score: 1

      I found that running DOS on a laptop actually increased the battery life, because the hard drive span down completely and was never used - it's a lot easier to run DOS entirely from memory than anything else.

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    46. Re:DOS by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      It's true that there are USB drivers available for DOS -- but which ones can be obtained legally? DUSE and USBASPI are not freely distributable as far as I know -- USBASPI seems to have been written by Panasonic and distributed with their own hardware. A number of posters on www.computering.net seemed to imply that they are quite scarce as well (which would figure).

      As I said, non-free (as in freedom, and as in beer), and hard-to-find. Can any of these drivers be obtained and used legally?

      You could write one in assembler in a few weeks.

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    47. Re:DOS by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 1

      Actually, I assumed nothing. I tried it and found it to be TEH BLAZORINGS FAAASSSTTTT!!!111

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    48. Re:DOS by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

      Have a boot floppy ready? I honestly can't remember the last system I owned that even had a floppy drive.

    49. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't tried it on the metal but I'm pretty sure FreeDOS has an idle loop which is not idle at all. At least it always works at %100 CPU utilization when used in a VM. Therefore it would eat battery very quickly.

    50. Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      FreeDOS is not quite the old DOS you are thinking about.

      http://www.freedos.org/freedos/news/technote/190.html

    51. Re:DOS by shiftless · · Score: 1

      For me, it was Professional Write! Nothing like DOS word processing. The software has menu systems that are much easier/simpler to use than something like vi/emacs, yet being console-based, it's a lot easier to concentrate on what you're doing (writing) rather than having to tune out all the extraneous crap on your screen that comes with having a GUI.

    52. Re:DOS by yurigoul · · Score: 1

      Exactly! If I would ever take up professional writing again I would opt for something without GUI. There are some programs that give you a full screen writing experience - even with green text on black if that is your thing - but somehow it is not the same. You know there are other programs behind that black overlay and so my mind tends to wander off ... are there new emails?

    53. Re:DOS by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
      > You could write one in assembler in a few weeks.

      I can see why you got a job PORTing Hardware Abstraction Layers.

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    54. Re:DOS by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      You are the first person to understand my user name.

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      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
  6. pico by Lehk228 · · Score: 4, Informative

    boot a GUI-less linux install and use pico/nano for text editing.

    all the key commands are shown at the bottom of the screen.

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    1. Re:pico by init100 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      boot a GUI-less linux install and use pico/nano for text editing.

      I agree. Booting my CentOS 5 servers in single-user mode take less than 20 seconds from the kernel starts to load until I can run Emacs. It's actually more like 10 seconds.

      I excluded BIOS startup because it is highly variable. My home desktop passes its BIOS startup in around 10 seconds, while our HP server blades at work take almost a minute to just get to GRUB.

    2. Re:pico by BrokenSegue · · Score: 1

      Not to be pedantic, but not *all* the key commands are at the bottom. Not nearly. Hit ^G to see the real listing of commands (including lots of useful ones not listed at the bottom of the screen). But yes, nano is nice (and pico on sensible machines is just a symlink to nano).

    3. Re:pico by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Really? For me the time to start up X is less than half the time to get a command prompt after GRUB. It's almost negligible in terms of the entire startup sequence. Not starting X is a good start, but you'll need to hack on your init scripts if you really want a fast boot.

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  7. I recommend by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows Vista Ultimate. Just get a sharpie and write on the screen.

    1. Re:I recommend by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Because shaking the etch-a-sketch is, you know, too hard. ;)

      --
      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    2. Re:I recommend by ismism · · Score: 1

      Brilliant! You can practice tolerance for OS bloat/crapware while writing!

    3. Re:I recommend by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      The boot time for an etch-a-sketch is deplorable.

    4. Re:I recommend by dataninja · · Score: 1

      Just the way Bill intended Vista to work.

  8. Freedos? by Pathwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, you want fast booting?

    Get FreeDOS and one of the text editors from here.

    I can't think of anything that will boot faster, although EMACS will likely be the friendliest editor available.

    1. Re:Freedos? by dvice_null · · Score: 4, Informative

      "Eeepc 2G Surf cold boot to X in 10 sec" (the video is quite impressive, even you see the results in the title):
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzkQhHaFE0I

      Some more details:
      http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=25964

      I have no doubt that FreeDOS can do better than that, but I'm actually curious how fast is it? And is the speed so much better that it is better than 10 seconds with a GUI.

    2. Re:Freedos? by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      EMACS is an OS, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Freedos? by zakezuke · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't think of anything that will boot faster, although EMACS will likely be the friendliest editor available.

      Qedit

      was my favorite from that time, not for windows as The SemWare Editor.

      I had the unfortunate pleasure of owning a compaq contura aero 486sx33 laptop. I got it cheap as it was even for the time period a piece of shit, but it did the job. I often times avoided booting to windows to use qedit to take down notes and such.

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    4. Re:Freedos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the good old DOS days I used a text editor called 'Q' (q.exe)
      Maybe I'm gettin' old and soft here but I feel that windows based text editor are only now starting to catch up with the features that this little program had. (Except from EMACS).

      I would still be hard pressed to find a text editor that would allow me to select & cut & paste a column of text from a loaded file.
      (for instance to remove the first 3 columns of space delimited data.

    5. Re:Freedos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EMACS is an OS, you insensitive clod!

      It is, but is there a version that runs directly on hardware without the VM?

    6. Re:Freedos? by GDgonzo · · Score: 0

      Isn't emacs it's own os anyway? *ducks*

    7. Re:Freedos? by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is fast. We're talking practically instantaneous command prompt as soon as the BIOS screens are passed. You might have a bunch of TSRs and drivers loading in your startup files that will slow it down, but you can set up a startup menu to select which configuration to boot, or bypass the startup files altogether.

    8. Re:Freedos? by pipatron · · Score: 1

      Most editors I've worked with does this, even CED on my Amiga. UltraEdit for Windows, vim for linux, etc.

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  9. Probably one from Stalman by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Funny

    "What is the fastest booting operating system out there that is still sufficient for editing text?

    I'd say Stallman's first OS:


    doofus@hotdog:~$ time emacs -nw

    real 0m2.075s
    user 0m0.372s
    sys 0m0.076s
    doofus@hotdog:~$

    1. Re:Probably one from Stalman by smittyoneeach · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, a full emacs distro boots like it came from Redmond or worse.

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    2. Re:Probably one from Stalman by harry666t · · Score: 1

      He said: sufficient for editing text

      *ducks* :D

      BTW, porting emacs to bare x86 metal sounds like a really nice idea...

    3. Re:Probably one from Stalman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a number of editors in the default install, even if you don't like the standard emacs interface.

    4. Re:Probably one from Stalman by harry666t · · Score: 1

      I know, I kid. Emacs default editor&keybindings (+ some custom modifications) is the only editor around that I like. Python-mode rocks for hacking in my language of choice (:

  10. DOS. by FlyByPC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    DOS Edit does a good job at basic text editing -- and on any reasonably modern laptop, DOS should boot amazingly quickly.

    If that's not fast enough for you, a TRS-80 Model 100 might do. They boot nearly instantly and have a built-in text editor. (The 32K max memory capacity might be a bit limiting, though.)

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    1. Re:DOS. by 7+digits · · Score: 1

      My TRS-80 Model 100 is awesome (not that the model 200 have a much bigger screen).

      But the poster will be pretty disapointed if he tries to read fat32 usb drive with that...

    2. Re:DOS. by FlyByPC · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah. If you want to drag your files kicking and screaming into the 1990s, you could go with an HP Jornada. They boot nearly instantly and run Windows CE. The keyboard's way too small, but otherwise they're cute.

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    3. Re:DOS. by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      If that's not fast enough for you, a TRS-80 Model 100 might do. They boot nearly instantly and have a built-in text editor. (The 32K max memory capacity might be a bit limiting, though.)

      The good old TRS-80 portables. I remember there being an issue attaching an external modem. I know I had a 14.4k supra that for some reason the screen dimmed when I actually tried to use it, and I'm sure that the laptop couldn't deal with the the max speed the modem provided.

      I'm not saying the TRS-80 isn't a good solution, far from it, just data interchange is a bit of a pain.

      The last time I sort of dealt with one, I seem to remember that I needed to format the disks, but the software was on a disk that had since become corrupted. Not that one would want to use floppies to exchange data these days.

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    4. Re:DOS. by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      My iPAQ takes about 40 seconds to boot to the password screen, and about 55 seconds in total before I can use it.

      Of course I generally don't have to reboot it, and MS Word starts almost instantly.

    5. Re:DOS. by Ortega-Starfire · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can also download the entire dos word suite from the microsoft website still. They just re-released the entire program for free on their website rather than patch it for y2k.
      here is a non-ms mirror:

      http://www.downloadsquad.com/2005/11/25/free-file/

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    6. Re:DOS. by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      I downloaded that from the MS website some years ago. I've tried to use it with DOSEMU on Linux (which runs most DOS software amazingly well) but found that it (Word 5.5) won't save files onto my hard drive. It checks to insure that you have sufficient free space on the drive to save the file and gets an answer that overflows the variable it's using so it thinks there is insufficient space and refuses to save a file.
       
      I remember seeing a TSR program back when "huge" 40mb hard drives first came out (remember the Seagate ST250 that sounded like gravel being rolled in a pail when it was in use) that would fake the return from the DOS interrupt that tells you how much free space you have so programs wouldn't do that, but I haven't found it again.

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    7. Re:DOS. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      84-plus SE :D

      supports reading/writing text files from a USB drive with the necessary cables + applications.

    8. Re:DOS. by ModernGeek · · Score: 1

      Only on slashdot would somebody mention the idea of carrying around a TRS-80 Model 100 as a solution to jotting down electronic notes on the go, much less get modded up for it. I think a PDA or such would be more practical, or just letting the laptop sleep/hibernate for near "instant-on" functionality.

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    9. Re:DOS. by vlpronj · · Score: 1

      There's devices like the AlphaSmart, by Neo, whic some writers use. Made to be sturdy enough for school children, but last for a long, long time one set of batteries, and hook to a PC via USB (for most models). Boots up in roughly 1 second. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaSmart http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7HPNN&resnum=0&q=alphasmart&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title

  11. Smartphone? by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Aren't you more likely to have your cellphone in your pocket than be lugging around a laptop? I just jot notes on my iPhone.

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    1. Re:Smartphone? by DaVince21 · · Score: 1

      There's no real "lugging" if it's something like an Eee PC though. (By the way, these boot up in 10-15 seconds when using its default crappy Linux OS.)

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    2. Re:Smartphone? by Matheus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't even have an iPhone and I do this.. Most of the time I send small SMS messages to my email account. if it's truly worth jotting down then it's worth being backed up out in the ether ;)

    3. Re:Smartphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps better... sign up with Jott.com, call from your cell and have the notes transcribed to your email.

    4. Re:Smartphone? by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or have a cell phone which takes voice memos... Mine will record literally hours of voice memo with just the 20mb or so that's left on the 1GB SD card.

      But perhaps the guy who submitted the question has a reason for wanting something to actually write the notes on. Possibly he wants to use it during meetings, where he can't speak?

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    5. Re:Smartphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I had an iPhone that I bought and a Motorola Q that my work bought me. I can say that as a geek teh Q was light years ahaed of the iPhone. I am sure that the average consumer would prefer the iPhone but for a geek, the Q is way better. Hell. I was just at jiffylube getting my oil changed and I was using PuTTY on my Q to connect to out AIX servers to make sure everything is OK. A real life QWERTY keyboard is awesome. A touchepad is cool for squares but from a geek, a physical touchpad is essential.

    6. Re:Smartphone? by fermion · · Score: 1
      I agree. A smart phone is perfect for short notes. Any full computer is overkill. OTOH, there used to be mid priced and mid sized devices for such things, especially for longer notes

      In the old days I had my tandy 100 or 200, which I used extensively. Then there was the newton with an external keyboard. Transfer was over ethernet. Now when I want something small I have to carry around my old 12" powerbook, which is ready in about 10 seconds, but a bit of an overkill for short notes. I suppose that one of the new ULPC, or perhaps a very small not so ULPC, would do the trick. For instance a MacBook Air should wake up in much less than 10 seconds. I don't what an eee pc with linux would do.

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    7. Re:Smartphone? by Phroggy · · Score: 1

      Does it clip to your belt? If not, you have to lug it.

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    8. Re:Smartphone? by jamesh · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of another idea - a dictaphone. I think most PDA's and probably phones too these days can record audio. If not, just call your voicemail and leave a message :)

    9. Re:Smartphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah really. I'd add the gphone since I'm sure it It'll support Google Notebook with Gears for easy retrieval.

  12. fast boot editor by Uomograsso · · Score: 1

    Psion series 3

  13. Needlessly Limiting the Field by shaitand · · Score: 1

    I don't know if all of E-Macs would be loadable in the limited time frames you are talking about but VI certainly could.

    If you press 'i' after you load VI you will experienced a notepad like editing experience that couldn't be easier. When you are done just press esc then x to save and exit or q! to exit without saving. when you see q! think, "quit damnit".

    1. Re:Needlessly Limiting the Field by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's :x<Enter> or :q!<Enter> to quit. I tend to use the equivalent shortcuts ZZ or ZQ instead.

    2. Re:Needlessly Limiting the Field by phyreskull · · Score: 1

      If you press 'i' after you load VI you will experienced a notepad-like editing experience that couldn't be easier. When you are done just press esc then type :x to save and exit or :q! to exit without saving. When you see q! think, "quit damnit".

      There, fixed that for you.

    3. Re:Needlessly Limiting the Field by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      ... and people wonder why programs like Pico/Nano are more popular....

      And you get no geek cred for using vi instead. Real hardcore geeks use ed.

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  14. Maybe try non-x86 hardware by BLAG-blast · · Score: 1

    When the Apple TiBook first came out (before the days MacOSX), I got one and installed PPC linux on it. I was always amazed by how quickly it booted, around 20seconds. Of course, if you're also running XP, this probably won't work for you...

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  15. Four minutes? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    Sometimes it takes me longer than that to find a pen or pencil!

  16. TRS-80 Model 100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably get you to an editor in 10 seconds or so...

    Oh, probably no vi editor...

  17. How about... by BobSixtyFour · · Score: 1

    a typewriter?

    1. Re:How about... by wootest · · Score: 2, Funny

      The email client just isn't there, and the web browser is just barely better than IE7.

  18. Sleep a macbook by presidenteloco · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Point 1: Sleep and wake actually works on MacOS/X
    (and doesn't make you log in again)

    Point 2. You get a mac!

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    1. Re:Sleep a macbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, how unique! I mean sure just about any modern OS can do that, even Vista. But this way you get to buy yet another computer!

    2. Re:Sleep a macbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Eh, sleep and wake usually work on a Mac but not always and it can cause side effects.

      Just yesterday I opened up my MacBook Pro's screen and the thing wouldn't wake up; after futzing around with it, I closed it and opened it again and I was hit with two login prompts (I have it set to require login). At other times, I've closed my laptop it'll randomly wake up while it's closed - even with no peripherals attached and nothing physically done to it immediately preceding the wake up. The latter problem hasn't happened to me in a little while, but I'm not sure if it's been fixed or it's just taking a break.

      Even when it works, sleep/wake cycling seems to cause some apps to balloon their cache, which eventually becomes problematic. If he's really just using a text editor (and not, say, firefox), then it probably wouldn't matter.

    3. Re:Sleep a macbook by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1

      Well, I just tried this on my vanilla MacBook. Leaving an instance of TextEdit open, I put it to sleep. Then I opened the lid and tried typing.

      Time for text to appear in TextEdit? Less than 3 seconds from when the magentic lid catch separated.

      I've never seen a Windows laptop do that. I usually have a working wireless connection in less than 8-10 seconds too. That took at least 30 seconds on the last Windows laptop I tried (same base station).

      I use PCs and Macs btw, but this is one of those things that Macs just seem to do way better, probably due to Apple's ability to control the hardware. Windows has to deal with whatever random collection of chips you have on your motherboard, etc.

    4. Re:Sleep a macbook by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I feel the pain of no mac now. My previous employer gave us all Macs. At the end of the day I would see what time it was, close the lid unplug it and go home. When I got home I would open it, and within a few seconds be right were I was when I left. I do the same in the morning to head back to work. My new employer has given me this damn Peecee which seems to be a total crap shoot if it'll actually resume or not. Sometimes it'll work fine, sometimes the USB keyboard/mouse wont work, sometimes it'll come back but wont connect to a network, sometimes all the application windows will just be a nice pretty consistent shade of gray. I moved from a linux laptop back before it was even an option to susspend so I just never did, to a Mac laptop that worked perfectly every time, to a windows laptop that seems to worked maybe 20% of the time. I've given up and just shutdown every night now.

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    5. Re:Sleep a macbook by nxtw · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a Windows laptop do that. I usually have a working wireless connection in less than 8-10 seconds too. That took at least 30 seconds on the last Windows laptop I tried (same base station).

      I use PCs and Macs btw, but this is one of those things that Macs just seem to do way better, probably due to Apple's ability to control the hardware. Windows has to deal with whatever random collection of chips you have on your motherboard, etc.

      Takes about 2 seconds for me on a PC Intel ICH7M/945GML laptop running Windows. This is the same chipset used by the first Intel Mac laptops. The Intel mobile chipsets in most Macs are the most popular PC laptop chipsets as well.

      Wireless takes 5-15 seconds to come back up, depending on the last time I authenticated to the network (WPA2 PEAP or TLS).

    6. Re:Sleep a macbook by Tim+Browse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Blimey, things have advanced then. Is this with XP or Vista, out of interest?

      My barometer is how many people I see at work wandering the corridors with their laptop, but holding it horizontal with the lid not quite closed. It's basically everyone with a laptop. Until that changes I'll assume in general Windows is still a bit unreliable at this.

    7. Re:Sleep a macbook by nxtw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      XP.

      It's worked fine for some time. I suspect that most people don't have the laptop set to standby when they close the lid or don't know that they can.

    8. Re:Sleep a macbook by vivek7006 · · Score: 1

      windows laptop that seems to worked maybe 20%

      That is a lie, Sir. Suspend to RAM works in windows. It has always worked in windows since XP days. It works flawlessly. Either you are lying or your windows laptop is an old piece of shit

    9. Re:Sleep a macbook by fluch · · Score: 1

      But this way you get to buy yet another computer!

      Ehem ... nope, I don't need to buy an other computer.

    10. Re:Sleep a macbook by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      yea, it works flawlessly about 20% of the time. Put down the koolaid and back away.

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    11. Re:Sleep a macbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're retarded mac fanboy.. I owned 3 laptops with winxp home and pro.. suspend/resume worked 100% of the time - I actually don't reboot my laptop at all - it goes suspend/resume with few occasional reboot for updates for half a year
      now go suck steve jobs balls..

    12. Re:Sleep a macbook by chis101 · · Score: 1

      I have 4 year old laptop computer (not really so much a laptop, it's a 17"), a Clevo D470k, that is running Windows XP SP2. Sleep works flawlessly 80% of the time, USB doesn't work 5% of the time, and 10% of the time it just never wakes up.

      I have never successfully woken this computer from sleep while running Ubuntu.

      So, I'm not happy with Sleep on either of these operating systems, which leads me to blame the hardware, not the OS. Perhaps this is what you should be doing too.

  19. Fast Booting Text-editor Operating System? by Bailsoft · · Score: 1

    Graphite HP works for me!

    1. Re:Fast Booting Text-editor Operating System? by Trahald · · Score: 1

      Graphite HP works for me!

      I prefer a Graphite 2B.

  20. nethack linux by acon1modm · · Score: 3, Funny

    http://www.crash-override.net/nethacklinuxdownload.html

    boots from a floppy.

    0) generate character
    1) find magic marker
    2) scribble on the floor

    1. Re:nethack linux by Wiseblood1 · · Score: 0

      You can always get an athame and engrave on the floor too y'know

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  21. MacOSX by arikol · · Score: 1

    doesn't boot any faster than the others but the Sleep mode works properly there. Shut the lid when finished, open lid for doing stuffþ 5 seconds later (or less) you can start working. Win has not been reliable in sleep mode (don't know if Vista has gotten its act together on that front) and as much as I love Ubuntu it does have some downsides on notebooks (being fixed as we speak but still a bit of work to do)

    1. Re:MacOSX by TargetBoy · · Score: 1

      I use sleep mode all the time on windows XP with my Inspiron 9400. I've never had a problem with it.

    2. Re:MacOSX by speedtux · · Score: 1

      but the Sleep mode works properly [on MacOSX]

      I bought a MacBook originally because that was important to me in a laptop, and I thought that Apple at least got this right since they control both the hardware and the software.

      It didn't work. Every now and then, when closing the lid, the MacBook doesn't sleep, it gets incredibly hot and the battery runs out. Other people have the same problem.

      Don't believe me? Check Google:

      http://www.google.com/search?q=macbook+sleep+problems

    3. Re:MacOSX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I cannot speak for all Vista laptops, but my Dell XPS M1530 (bought this year) sleeps / wakes very well. I just shut the lid. Then when I open it back up, I swipe my finger and I'm back where I was before, in seconds. That's an anecdote, though. Vista on other laptops might be crap.

    4. Re:MacOSX by arikol · · Score: 1

      Didn't see your comment there, that sucks! Hmmm, I see what you mean. If the battery runs out it should write the contents of RAM to disk (hibernate) so you shouldn't lose any work. The XP problem has been unreliability on wakeup and complete loss of any documents that were open/unsaved. Depending on hardware configurations. Some configs work perfectly, another model from the same manufacturer may not work at all.

  22. Arch Linux by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I dabbled in Arch Linux a bit a while back. I was booting it off of a USB flash drive (one of the slow cheap ones, not one of the fast new ones) and I am pretty sure it booted in less than 20 seconds. Of course, I had to patch their bootup scripts myself to have it boot that fast, because they had some dumb logic that was waiting a fixed period of time for detected usb devices to show up, rather than polling and exiting the wait loop when the devices were there. So whereas it would always take 10 or 15 seconds (whatever you had configured it to) with their scripts, my change allowed my system to usually wait only a few seconds. Net result, the thing booted pretty quickly. Of course, I submitted a patch to them, and they have done nothing with it, or the bug I opened for the issue, so that put me off Arch Linux pretty quick.

    Anyway, there were alot of nice things about Arch Linux; it is vastly streamlined compared to normal Linux. And if you know what you are doing, you can definitely get it under the 20 second boot time with just a little tweaking. Then you have a full-fledged Linux system to work on instead of some hacked together boot/root disks or whatever.

    1. Re:Arch Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be a good citizen and post your patches, they may prove to be useful to many...

    2. Re:Arch Linux by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      I am a good citizen, I submitted the patch in the Arch Linux bug database, you can find it at:

      http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/10483

  23. Hibernate. Or get a phone with a notes function. by NevermindPhreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hibernate. My laptop boots in about 20-30 seconds, with windows XP. I hear Ubuntu boots faster out of hibernation.

    Or you could get a cell phone with a note-taking function. My work-provided Palm Treo does this, Blackberrys do, iPhones... Hell, even phones without a full keyboard typically have a notes application these days, and you can type fairly fast with T9-word.

  24. Just suspend by Sarusa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think you're asking the wrong question here. Any decent laptop with Linux or XP or OSX should be able to go into suspend mode and resume in about 2-8 seconds. I think my laptop hasn't been 'rebooted' in about two months, I just leave it constantly in suspend mode and activate it for 5-30 minutes at a time.

    Even if you get a near instant booting OS just the Power on Self Test is going to take longer than resuming from a suspend.

    1. Re:Just suspend by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      I had the same thought. My old Powerbook G4 turns on near instantly from sleep. I only reboots it for system updates. Keep something like BBEdit loaded and open on the screen, and there ya go.

    2. Re:Just suspend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're asking the wrong question here. blah blah blah suspend blah blah blah listen to me go on and on blah blah blah.

      I think you're giving the wrong answer. The "I don't give a damn about boot I just want to congratulate myself on suspend" thread is over there.

    3. Re:Just suspend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What Sarusa said. I use a Mac Powerbook G3/300 running 10.3.9. It's old, but it comes with dual batteries that run for 6 hours plus, it can edit text, it connects to wired and wireless networks, and it comes out of sleep mode in under three seconds. It's so old it's worth about $60 on the second hand market.

      On top of that, its uptime is currently 72 days. It'll last a full week asleep on a pair of batteries.

      That just happens to be the one I have. You could probably use a whole bunch of different laptops similarly.

    4. Re:Just suspend by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more - my Windows XP laptop gets booted for 3 reasons:
      1. Windows updates - only the critical ones
      2. runs out of 16 bit handles - I still use a 16 bit app and after about 30-60 days something goes wrong and it runs out of 16 bit handles
      3. It crashes - this hasn't happened in the last 12 months. Before that it seemed to happen once a month or so but a chkdsk cleared that up.

  25. Why boot? by myspys · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Why would you ever turn off a laptop?

    My Macbook Pro is always on. I close the lid and it sleeps. When I open the lid it's up and running in about 2-5 seconds.

    God bless Apple!

    1. Re:Why boot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you ever turn off a laptop?

      To conserve power.

      The real answer is hibernate, not sleep.

      God bless Apple!

      Indeed -- what would we do if Apple hadn't invented laptops and the sleep function? And the portable music player. And the Internet. And Al Gore.

  26. ARM Linux board by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Many of these will boot in less than 3 sec to a command console.

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    1. Re:ARM Linux board by harry666t · · Score: 1

      What is the best place to get these? How much do they cost? How powerful and how flexible they are?

    2. Re:ARM Linux board by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1
      There are many places that sells them. Google for "ARM Linux board" and you'll find many.

      Cost is variable depending on what you want.

      There's also a wide range of power and flexibility too.

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    3. Re:ARM Linux board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes with X86 there is a big problem...the bios is too slow...
      There is coreboot but it is only for some desktop or server or embedded motherboards...
      The only laptop on which it can run is the olpc...

  27. Heh - I thought TFA was going to be a faster emacs by multipartmixed · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That said, if i really cared to have a text-editor-capable OS boot quickly, _and_ it needed FAT32.

    Hmm.

    Is VFAT close enough for ya? Win98 boot disk transmuted onto a USB dongle with the VFAT driver in the config.sys. Boot only to command.com, not the full OS.

    It'll probably take longer for your box to POST than to boot that puppy.

    Me, I just write shit on my hand with a sharpie.

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  28. Use a DS? by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Resume on a DS is practically instantaneous, at least for commercial titles, and there's a lively homebrew scene, maybe there's already something out there that might work out for you? Plus very portable and easy to scribble with the touchscreen, and great battery life.

    Oh, and games too :)

    1. Re:Use a DS? by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      This is actually a pretty good suggestion, the resume basically is isntantaneous. If you want to take notes on it you will have to get a homebrew cart. The main problem with this though is that the screen is really quite small for stuff like this, I tried it for a while but it just doesn't work. I would actually recommend a smartphone with QWERTY keyboard for this guy, seems like it'd be the best solution.

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    2. Re:Use a DS? by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you just use Pictochat, with nobody else connected, instead of a custom cart?

    3. Re:Use a DS? by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      You could, but that would leave the wifi on and waste battery faster than normal. Also then it's annoying because transferring stuff off of it means just copyings things down somewhere else, rather than just copying a text file or something.

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  29. Re:Hibernate mode by PakProtector · · Score: 4, Funny

    I recommend a solution of hydrocyanic acid.

    Next question.

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  30. remove gdm from startup by nevurthls · · Score: 1

    run sysv-rc-conf, remove gdm BOOM 30 seconds off of your ubuntu boot time and ready to edit with vi/pico/nano, etc. How hard was that?

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  31. 60 seconds is fast enough by mapleneckblues · · Score: 1

    It takes a normal person more than 60 seconds on an average to search all of his/her pockets and bags and for a ballpoint pen before he/she realizes that another one has disappeared.

  32. Apple II by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

    It boots into Appleworks in ten seconds flat. 'Nuff said.

    1. Re:Apple II by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      I seem to recall it taking longer than that to boot into ProDOS, which IIRC is required for Appleworks.

      Those old floppies were not spectacularly fast...

      ] PR#6

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  33. PDA by Ahmeni · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds like a task for your modern PDA/phone. If you only ever write a line or two then there's no need to use a laptop to jot down ideas.

  34. Atari Portfolio by orkysoft · · Score: 1

    Seriously, get it on eBay for a few bucks.

    It's smaller than a netbook, and runs on 3xAA batteries (lasts 2-3 weeks on them!), and it boots in a second.

    It runs a DOS 2.11 clone, and comes complete with a simple and easy to use editor and a spreadsheet and some other stuff.

    It doesn't come with USB, but can do nullmodem transfers with a serial port attachment. For added ease of use, buy one with a CompactFlash reader built in (there is someone who modifies them for this purpose).

    Seriously, if all you want to do is quick notetaking, this is your ideal tool.

    (For added geek value, it comes with a 8088 CPU made by OKI and can run most DOS programs that use proper BIOS and DOS calls instead of the faster tricks from that era. This is because the hardware isn't actually IBM compatible, but the BIOS provides the compatibility layer, so programs which circumvent the BIOS and attempt to address the hardware directly will not run.)

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  35. MenuetOS by mustafap · · Score: 3, Interesting

    www.menuetos.org

    Both 64 and 32 bit versions.

    I think you'll find that boots *Very* fast.

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    1. Re:MenuetOS by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      That looks too good to be true!
      Thanks for the link.

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  36. DeadMini? by CyrusOmega · · Score: 1

    I haven't personally tried it but from this about DeadMini http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/DeadMini-11601.shtml might have something you can use...

    "The main advantage is that it boots anywhere - wherever you can stick the files, use something like syslinux or isolinux to make it boot - and of course make bios boot the medium - it will boot without a trouble. This is because the whole system (currently 5MB, including booting overhead) is copied in RAM without the need to seek the source device. It also boots very fast - minimal bootup time is about 3s (further testing will be done)."

  37. Buy more pencils and paper? by popmaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Both feel like an eternity if there isn't a pen and paper around."

    The problem seems kind of artifical if you're fine working with paper anyway. Otherwise, I'd resort to just leave the machine on, which I usually do anyway.

  38. TextGuru on the iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started using the TextGuru application on my iPhone. With it, I can actually get work done on airplanes. Very fast to get up and running.

  39. Neo by alphasmart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I hate to sound like an advertisement... but:
    Neo by alphasmart
    http://www.alphasmart.com/Retail/
    Affordable. Only $219 a new lower price and a fraction of the cost of a standard laptop
    Flexible. Send text direct to PC, Mac, or USB printer
    Incredible battery life. Up to 700 hours on 3 alkaline batteries, or up to 300 hours using the rechargeable battery option
    Simple. Instant on/off, autosave, one-touch file access keeps you on task.

    1. Re:Neo by alphasmart by mmatti · · Score: 1

      ... and for about $50 you can pick up its predecessor, the AlphaSmart 3000, on eBay. Aside from instant-on, it's damn near indestructible. No USB drive, but a USB connection lets it dump its text to any app by appearing to be a keyboard -- a slick trick that lets it offload to anything. And the 700 hour battery life is simply insane. Heavy users have to reload their AA batteries once every ... year.

    2. Re:Neo by alphasmart by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Affordable. Only $219 a new lower price and a fraction of the cost of a standard laptop

      Well, my laptop cost only a fraction of the cost of a mainframe, but I haven't heard that used as a selling point.

      You can't compare an apple to a whole fruit basket and say that an apple costs only $10 while the fruit basket costs $30, and therefore it is cheap.

      This thing seems to cost a gigantic $219 (more than lower end PDAs, which can do far more than what this can do!) for what is essentially a glorified typewriter.

    3. Re:Neo by alphasmart by Sporkinum · · Score: 1

      I concur. Wife has one and is a light user. Still on the same set of batteries for 2 years. There is no formatting, other than carriage returns I think. Like he mentioned about dumping text. Pc thinks it's a keyboard, so you hit like 1 button, and it dumps text into what ever window/app is open. Also, I'd guess it works with any OS. Works fine in Linux or windows. Command line or GUI. Even has a spell checker built in.

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  40. Software system or operating system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux, few years ago it got record to boot on 0.01 seconds. You wanted fast loading OS, (Software running on kernel mode or supervisor mode is the operating system). If you want bloated software system like Ubuntu or Windows XP, then you should ask such, not the fast booting operating system.

    I would take Linux + Vi + Bash + SSH to get very small software system with Linus operating system.

  41. Get a Macbook. by doghouse41 · · Score: 1

    Why do you want to have a computer that you have to boot from cold?

    My MacBook wakes from sleep in a couple of seconds. A couple more to log in. It will stay in sleep for days on a fully charged battery.

    When I do reboot, I'm pretty sure that MaxOS X comes up to usable in less than 60s (not that I have timed it) Of course I probably reboot less than once a week anyway.

  42. What about sleep mode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you get either Windows or Linux to sleep when you close up your laptop? If so, how long does it take to "awaken" from sleep mode?

    Can you configure either system to require a password on wake-up? That would add a measure of security. I'm pretty sure Windows can do that. I know that what Linux will do varies with the hardware and the Distro/Kernel version and available drivers.

  43. Easy - a PDA by MrFenty · · Score: 1
    I use a PDA (HTC X7500) which is also a phone. It has a 5 inch screen, runs Win Mobile 6.1 and is effectively a small laptop (e.g. Word, Excel, internet) and as it is always on basically doesn't have a boot time.

    It syncs with my PC via USB, so downloading my notes onto the main PC is a snap. The phone part is a bit crap, and I look like an idiot holding this brick up to my ear, but that aside I couldn't live without it, and it is ideal for that sort of very quick / brief notetaking that you describe.

  44. More friendly than emacs???? by jwiegley · · Score: 1

    Not possible. Emacs is not only your friend, it's your faithful slave.

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  45. eee pc or slashtop by vajorie · · Score: 1

    eeepc (701) boots in about 20 seconds. a laptop with slashtop boots in about 5 seconds I think (from there, you could use google's notepad).

  46. Don't boot... wake from sleep. by agristin · · Score: 1

    Don't boot.

    I have had a mac notebook (okay a couple different notebooks) for about 10 years for just that type of thing.

    I don't boot, I just let it sleep all the time. It sleeps for days. When I need it, open, wake, login. I require login from wake but you could speed it up by not requiring the security, and then text edit.

    OS X wakes from sleep, login, and start vi-ing in under 10 seconds on my current MacBook, the stop watch test just did 7 sec (closed, slept, then timed waking and continuing this post). And it is pretty reliable. The only thing that has ruined that reliability is sleeping virtualized servers in VmWare or Parallels, then sometimes it takes longer.

  47. How about an older PDA? by Nipok+Nek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Get an old Jornada 540 Series off of eBay. They can be had really cheaply, boot in seconds, and sync up nicely with whatever flavor of Windows you have. If you don't like the tiny on-screen keyboard, they have attachments.

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  48. Netbook? by minus9 · · Score: 1

    My Acer Aspire One boots to GUI in 14 seconds, the keyboards not bad either for a Netbook, it's even quicker if you just suspend rather than shutdown.

    1. Re:Netbook? by sean23007 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I never shut down my Aspire One and it boots up in just a few seconds. It runs a full Linux OS, and it doesn't take long to fire up a terminal window with vim or a GUI text editor, I guess. (Or you could just leave OpenOffice open all the time, so you wouldn't have to wait for it to start up every time you open the screen.)

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  49. menuetos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    menuetos, fits on a floppy
    www.menuetos.net

  50. Just to jot things down? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Informative

    Call me a Luddite, but I carry a small, pocket sized Mead pad around and a small pen.

    Behold: http://www.mead.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product3_10051_10006_126671_-1_false_10051

    And you can get it in a different color each time! :)

    1. Re:Just to jot things down? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1
      I use the same thing!

      Unfortunately, the native font is pretty much write-only, I think I am writing down brilliant and important things, but after a few hours I can't read it anymore.

      My 3rd grade cursive teacher is spinning in her grave.

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    2. Re:Just to jot things down? by johndmartiniii · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Between this and post-its, I'm doing pretty good these days. The boot-time for post-it is even less than for the notepad.

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    3. Re:Just to jot things down? by Frank+Grimes · · Score: 1

      I used to carry one of those little spiral notebooks in my pocket, but the spirals always got squashed. Now I carry a Moleskine. It's a lot more rugged.

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    4. Re:Just to jot things down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah...

      The answer is so obvious. DUH. If you're lugging a laptop around just to take notes, you're an idiot. Paper. Pencil. Lightweight, infinitely configurable, zero boot time, 99.999999999999%... no, 100% uptime. The benefits far, far outweigh any liabilities. If pen and paper was good enough for DaVinci, what makes you think it's not good enough for you?

    5. Re:Just to jot things down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or get picopad from amazon. its the size of a credit card and pen for doing quickie notes.

      picopad

    6. Re:Just to jot things down? by iabervon · · Score: 1

      Pen and paper is really quick, but it's a lousy text editor. I make notes for myself on chopstick wrappers on my desk, and I keep trying to copy text from them to other windows by pointing the mouse pointer at them and selecting the text, and it never works.

  51. You may be using the wrong tool by theurge14 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suggest:

    1) Use a smaller handheld device to take notes with. All manager of PDAs, Nintendo DS, iPhone and iPod touch can take notes in an instant.

    2) If you're going to use a laptop, then leave it in suspend mode and don't power it off when you go mobile.

    3) If you must power off the laptop off when mobile, then power it off in Hibernate mode.

    Most laptops are hard drive based which means no matter what OS you choose you will be waiting a period of time for the OS to overcome the speed bottleneck of the hard drive.

    1. Re:You may be using the wrong tool by rvw · · Score: 1

      I use my iPod Touch frequently to make small notes. I can email these to myself, then use them elsewhere. The standard Notes app is sufficient for this. The real nice thing is that you can do this anywhere, with one hand. The only problem is that the original question mentioned USB-support.

      I used to have a Psion MX5. I really liked it, although the screen was problematic (easily broken). The keyboard was fantastic, and you could blind type with it at about half of normal speed.

      I'm still waiting for a device that is that small, has good quality keyboard, and long battery life, lasting for 10+ hours.

  52. Why boot at all? by Archimonde · · Score: 1

    On a macbook you can have OSX suspended all the time. Just open the laptop's lid and the OS will resume instantly. You don't even have to press a key to resume it. And of course, no need to boot it. Actually, the only time I get my macbook restarted is after software patches.

    I really don't get why other laptops don't have this feature*, because it works great and it is such a pleasure to use it.

    As a sidenote, is OS boot time really such an important thing? Lets look a the a mobile phone for example. Nobody cares how much it takes it to boot. When you have it on "standby" you just press a combination of buttons and your phone is ready to use. I still don't get why don't we have computers who have better suspend modes etc.

    *they can suspend/hibernate when you close the lid, but never resume automatically after you open the lid.

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    1. Re:Why boot at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Thinkpad with ArchLinux resumes automatically when I open the lid. It takes about 5 seconds for it to be fully operational out of suspend.

    2. Re:Why boot at all? by Shados · · Score: 1

      I agree. Vista's shutdown button defaults to "Sleep", which is the same thing as the suspend you describe. Once you start using it, you don't look back. Well, unless then 50 cents a month in electricity that it costs is a big deal to you :)

    3. Re:Why boot at all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *they can suspend/hibernate when you close the lid, but never resume automatically after you open the lid.

      Actually, almost all laptops can do this, although whether they do or not depends on the software configuration.

      To be fair, my Mac seems to do it far better than most. I can count on one hand how many times I've seen my MBP fail to resume from sleep mode in the last three or four years -- on the other time, it feels like it's about a 50/50 chance on most of the Windows and Linux laptops I've used. Even my Inspiron 1525 -- Dell's official Ubuntu model -- seems to fail to resume, oh, about 10% of the time. It's enough that I feel like I can't just casually close it, I have to make sure everything is saved and at a stopping point before I put it to sleep.

  53. Linux is best by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    providing you get an old school distro, (Arch, Crux or Slackware) and build a tickless kernel with a Timer Frequency of 1000Hz & pre-empt. i have Slackware 12.1 booting very quickly and the response is quite snappy...

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  54. Typewriter...? I remember them! by WillKemp · · Score: 1

    Strewth! It's a long time since i saw one of those. I wonder if there's people around here who've never seen one...

    1. Re:Typewriter...? I remember them! by owlstead · · Score: 1

      "Strewth! It's a long time since i saw one of those. I wonder if there's people around here who've never seen one..."

      I don't. It's a fair guess that blind people and/or babies would never have seen one, with a small percentage of exceptions.

  55. try splashtop by bzuro · · Score: 1

    http://splashtop.com/ 5 second to boot. by default, its on the hard drive, but i saw a guy boot it from usb flash. it is worth a look.

    1. Re:try splashtop by Maxmin · · Score: 1

      +1

      2-3 seconds on a fast machine. more features than the OP is asking for, but it's both nifty and handy.

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  56. Our reflectometer works with a DOS PC by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last Friday I was using our reflectometer and was impressed by the fact that the PC that controls it boots in about 6 seconds directly into the application! It's based on DOS and the PC is a .... 33MHz Intel 386! It would be cool if a contemporary PC based on a 3GHz CPU could boot into such an application in 0.06 seconds. I know, I/O is the main bottleneck, I guess, though hard disks have indeed gotten about 100 times faster in data transfer, and about 5 times faster in seek time, since the 386 was the hotness.

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    1. Re:Our reflectometer works with a DOS PC by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      It still takes a few seconds for a harddisk to spin up, and for the PC to run through the BIOS startup routine.

      To get around these issues, you'd need flash memory and sleep mode => Asus EEE pc for example.

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    2. Re:Our reflectometer works with a DOS PC by rvw · · Score: 1

      If you put the Asus EEE in sleep mode, the battery runs empty. After several hours, it's empty!

    3. Re:Our reflectometer works with a DOS PC by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      I didn't know that. How many hours are we talking about here?

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    4. Re:Our reflectometer works with a DOS PC by ecloud · · Score: 1

      You could try Linux BIOS but then the hardware choices are kindof restricted.

    5. Re:Our reflectometer works with a DOS PC by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      Quote from teh googles: "Iâ(TM)m running the default Xandros OS, and whenever I put the Eee to sleep, it would eat up about 10% of the batteryâ(TM)s remaining capacity every two hours."

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  57. Acer Aspire One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am typing this on my Acer Aspire One, on which I put Debian with X11 and ion3.
    The whole system, stripped from things like crond, boots in roughly 20 seconds. It can do pretty much all I want and I use it too for some browsing and coding.

  58. Nano by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Just learn VI. You won't regret it
    2) Use Nano

  59. BeOS by dzfoo · · Score: 1

    BeOS boots extremely fast (I seem to recall something like 5 to 10 seconds). And, of course, it comes with a standard text editor.

    I'm not sure if you can get a copy any more, though.

            -dZ.

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    1. Re:BeOS by IL-CSIXTY4 · · Score: 1

      I was hoping someone would recommend BeOS! Its successor is an open source OS called Haiku.

    2. Re:BeOS by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly sure you can *ahem* get a copy somewhere. If not, then my tears shall come forth in torrents.

      And yes, it is fast as hell. Also great as a media player; Windows and Linux on a dual-core processor w/ 1GB or more of RAM still manage to stutter or have minor distortions in media playback if I do anything else at all with my computer while it's playing, but in my experience MP3 playback in BeOS on a Pentium 133 w/ 64MB ram WILL NOT STUTTER even if you abuse the shit out of it. On machines that would have trouble sharing time between WinAmp and ICQ under Win98, BeOS would remain relatively responsive under much larger loads.

      QNX also used to be pretty good about that, though it's not as user friendly as BeOS. Another fast-booter, too.

    3. Re:BeOS by michaewlewis · · Score: 1

      I was hoping someone would bring up beos, too. I did a search for beos on this page as soon as I opened it.... Definitely my recommendation as well. I was running beos on a 700mhz system with 512mb ram and it was completely ready for action in about 20-25 seconds from hitting the power button. And that's not trying to resume from hibernate or sleep, either.

  60. Try Syllable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hi,

    My name is Rick Caudill and I work on the Syllable project. I would say you should give Syllable(www.syllable.org) a try. My machine boots to a gui within 10 seconds. Just give it a try

  61. MS-DOS by Dwedit · · Score: 1

    I think MS-DOS (or a variant) is the answer. It should boot almost instantly.
    Even though you get the 8.3 filename limitation, you have DOS Edit or QBasic to edit text files.

  62. the obvious answer is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for taking notes, nothing beats pen and paper

  63. EPOC by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    EPOC: Instant-on for years after first boot, best served in an E Ink reincarnation of the Psion (to be developed)...

    1. Re:EPOC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh gods, yes! The Psion 5 is _still_ the best organiser/PDA, even after all these years. Replace the crappy screen with e-ink and I would, gladly, pay $1000 for it.

      Battery time is counted in days, on two AA batteries.

      Please for all that is good and nice in this world, would someone resurrect the Psion 5MX from the grave?

  64. FreeBSD by xoundmind · · Score: 1

    Especially with a slimmed down kernel, it smokes anything else I've used.
    However, does it really matter?

  65. not necessarily important Re:DOS by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Insightful

    DOS will not have any of the power management features required to operate a modern laptop. The hit to your battery life would be SEVERE

    Its not clear that battery life is relevant to the question. Original question did after all mention

    "boot my laptop and edit a few lines of text, or jot down an idea or two"

    I think even the worst possible power management should survive long enough to meet that task. If boot speed is the primary objective, then DOS should be just fine. The question did not say that the user wants to boot quickly and write a novel, after all.

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  66. it's so simple! by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

    boot linux init=/usr/bin/tee /notes.txt

    Done!

  67. A notebook... by teal_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    A notebook boots in 2 seconds. You just open it to a blank page, uncap your pen, and voila, the perfect text editor. Plus, you can draw figures without any special software.

    1. Re:A notebook... by Geminii · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the amazing power-saving software. I bought mine last year and I've never had to charge or replace the battery even once!

  68. Tandy 102 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Instant-on, portable, full keyboard, and uses 4 AA batteries. No need to wait 20 seconds... sheesh.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80_Model_100_line

    This chap has how to hitch it up to Linux or Xbox and whatnot.
    http://www.planetnz.com/palmheads/tandy.php

    1. Re:Tandy 102 by rvw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Dana seems more useful!

    2. Re:Tandy 102 by autophile · · Score: 1

      (sigh, too easy) There is no Dana, only Zuul.

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  69. 4 minutes?!? by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

    Ok, as much as I hate windows (only use it for gaming at non-wine-able stuff), you SHOULD be able to boot XP in about 30 seconds if you take all the crapware out. Unless you use a stripped down linux (command line only), you should still be able to get it to boot in less than a minute. Well, maybe not Vista...

  70. I installed one, once... by ghostis · · Score: 1

    A few years ago I followed:

    http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lwl1/

    over a long weekend. It took about 2.5 days off-and-on to bring it up. You get a hand-compiled linux install with busybox providing all of your tools. The only issue I had was that copied-over binaries worked better if you compiled them against uclibc as well. It was a fun project. One neat trick it taught me was to tar directly to the floppy device. The instructions can probably be adapted to USB media. Once I finished, I build vim and nano against uclibc and copied them over.
    If I recall correctly, it was a 486 laptop and most of the boot time was the BIOS setting up. If you can adapt the process to a modern machine, it will do that for which you are asking.

    -Adam

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  71. Re:PDA by sohp · · Score: 1

    I still have my ancient Visor Platinum. It has a 'boot' time of 0. Perfect for jotting down a few words.

  72. The MIT Lisp Machine's "instaboot" feature by NetSettler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the people saying to use hibernation/sleep features are probably closest to right for most practical purposes now. I thought I'd add a historical side-note...

    In the 1980's, MIT Lisp Machines were often used in demos for visitors from funding agencies. Probably mostly people from (D)ARPA. And things would often go wrong. Things had to reboot.

    Now instruction times were a lot slower then, but you'd be surprised how little boot times have changed over the years. Seems like every time someone speeds up the hardware, they also slow down the speed of booting of both at least the operating system and maybe also the programs. So normal booting was a process of 30 seconds or a minute, as I recall. And that was inconvenient for these demos.

    So someone worked out a way that you could do something called instaboot. You'd load up everything you needed and would save the image, kind of like going into standby mode on your computer. But it was intended to be restarted multiple times. When you started, it would just pull in the pages that you needed first to let you run, pulling in other things you needed on demand.

    You could save it in whatever state you wanted, for example with the editor already loaded and started. Even with files loaded ito editor buffers if you wanted, though that obviously ran the risk that if you later edited them on two subsequent occasions, you might get a conflict. But that was up to you. Nothing kept you from trying.

    The effect was startling. You could reboot the machine and be up and running in about a second, maybe two. The only evidence was that the screen would change and would kind of bounce (some sort of sync pulse or degaussing thing or something, I never quite knew what that was).

    So demos were always loaded and saved, then booted into. When the demo went bad, you just hit reboot. It was so fast, people would notice something had happened but often wouldn't know what. "Just garbage collecting," we would say. Well, it was sort of true. Rebooting is a particularly efficient way to garbage collect.

    For some reason, that feature was not carried forward into later models of the Lisp Machine. It was only there on the CADR at MIT (and perhaps the LM-2 and the TI Explorer and LMI Lambda, I'm not sure, since I never used those, though they were repackaged variants of the same thing). It didn't go into the Symbolics 3600 nor later series machines.

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    1. Re:The MIT Lisp Machine's "instaboot" feature by Hafnia · · Score: 1

      Nice post , thanks

  73. Tons by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Just dont boot a GUI with *nix.

    PicoBSD

    FreeDOS

    VsTA

    QNX

    www.osnews.com

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  74. boot to full linux shell in 1 second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7370

  75. Norton Textra Writer by fireheadca · · Score: 1

    When Norton was still awesome, they came out with Norton Textra Writer.

    A Dos-based editor which could check grammer and spelling.

  76. Hipster PDA by likerice · · Score: 1

    For my money, nothing beats the Hipster PDA.

  77. NewtonOS by sakusha · · Score: 1

    On an emate300.

  78. why not single-user mode? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Well if you have Ubuntu installed and you just need to edit a txt file then have a grub entry that goes to single user mode, it will just boot the kernel and giv you a bash login prompt

    My kernel takes ~1 for control to be passed to init so you can't get much faster then that

  79. Commodore64 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Instant on! Doesn't get faster than that. OK, so loading a text editor takes 5 minutes, but you asked about boot time.

    C= 4 life!

  80. Re:Hibernate. Or get a phone with a notes function by owlstead · · Score: 1

    *If* it works. It still beats me that there are so many relatively new computers that don't want to hibernate. I think selling a computer that does not hibernate or suspends to RAM out of the box is criminal.

  81. A blast from the past by bobdotorg · · Score: 4, Informative

    No USB drive compatibility, but instant on.

    The love of newspaper field reporters for decades:

    http://oldcomputers.net/trs100.html

    Not bad for 1983.

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    1. Re:A blast from the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that brings a smile... Similar to the Amstrad version, only it went one better, it had BBC Acorn Basic! We used them at school for a fair while after the Internet was common place, mainly because it did NOT have internet :-) Productivity for quick notes and text was far greater as a result.

  82. Re:Hibernate. Or get a phone with a notes function by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    My laptop boots in about 20-30 seconds, with windows XP

    My XP laptop (Toshiba Satellite, 1gig ram) boots in less than 45 seconds

    It recovers from hibernate in about 8 seconds

    Not sure what the guy who wrote the article description at top is running XP on, but 4 minutes seems ridiculous. Even the slow-ass machines where I work boot XP in less than 2 minutes.

    I'd also go with hibernate or use cell phone, b/c it sounds like he's using an underpowered computer

    Tons of Linux guys on here have (probably better) suggestions, but if you want to stick w/ XP, hibernate

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  83. Re:Heh - I thought TFA was going to be a faster em by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Me, I just write shit on my hand with a sharpie."

    I do the same, just on my forehead.

    It has obviously made me more efficient, as requests for my IT assistance has dropped markedly.

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  84. Xubuntu, Custom Debian, Syllable, Haiku by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the top of my head:

    - (X)Ubuntu with a default XFCE enviroment. Designed for very old computers and people who hate the Gnome/KDE slowpoking.

    - Haiku OS. OSS BeOS variant. Lightning fast, designed with the GUI in mind. Sub-10-seconds booting is rumored.

    - The Syllable OS. An OSS OS inspired by the proof-of-concept project Athena OS and some concepts implemented in BeOS. This one is actually quite interesting, as they've come quite far for a project that started from scratch without being a simple Unix rippoff. The site has demo videos showing Syllable coldboot into the Desktop under 10 seconds on older hardware and they've got quite a few apps ported to it allready, including a native browser using a pimped-out webkit renderer. Shutdown is sub 5 seconds (also important). They're working on a completely seperate server variant too. I consider this one a truely interesting alternate OS. You should check it out.

    - Current Debian with a 2.2 kernel, Fluxbox or Windowmaker VM and a little tweaking should get you a very lightweight OS enviroment aswell.

    Take any of the above and flash them onto a modern bios that you plug into your Mobo and your set for super-fast booting.

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    1. Re:Xubuntu, Custom Debian, Syllable, Haiku by christurkel · · Score: 1

      Current Debian+Tab Window Manager+nedit.

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  85. Re:Hibernate. Or get a phone with a notes function by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear Ubuntu boots faster out of hibernation.

    This is false (for me at least--old Sony Vaio SZ with 2GB of RAM). My laptop takes a longer time to unhibernate than it does to reboot with Ubuntu. XP unhibernates quickly. Additionally, with some older kernels, Ubuntu took 4 minutes to hibernate. (It's better with the newer kernels.) XP takes a lot less than that. But at least all my apps keep their state.

  86. Zero second boot time. by cheebie · · Score: 1

    There's this amazing device combo called pen-and-paper that is astonishingly good for jotting down a quick note. Zero boot time, no batteries, very light, and costs about $3.

    The search capabilities are pretty primitive, but examples have been shown to be still accessible after nearly 2000 years!

    Not every problem requires a high tech solution.

    1. Re:Zero second boot time. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      A little Moleskine pocket notebook seems to work great. It has a little pocket for storing things, and they are small. They have a integrated bookmark and an elastic band to keep it closed. They are pricey for a notebook (around $10-$15). But it seems like the fastest way to jot down some quick ideas, plus you can draw some quick diagrams. And yes, you can get them ruled, plain, quadruled, and in many other forms.

      A small 99 cent wire-wound reporters notepad is equally effective at holding notes and fits in your pocket. And usually you can find a small pencil that will fit inside the wire binding.

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  87. DOS sounds like a solution to me. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    If all he wants is text editing. I see no problem with loading up vim or emacs on DOS. he can kick it off in autoexec.bat if he wants.

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    1. Re:DOS sounds like a solution to me. by johnkzin · · Score: 1

      Except... he said nothing as arcane and unfriendly as vi and emacs. So, suggesting a vi clone and/or emacs is kind of ... inappropriate?

      Is pico still out there? I never really liked it, but it is/was supposed to be more user friendly.

    2. Re:DOS sounds like a solution to me. by OrangeTide · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Except... he said nothing as arcane and unfriendly as vi and emacs. So, suggesting a vi clone and/or emacs is kind of ... inappropriate?

      I ignored that comment as gibberish.

      pico, nodepad.exe and edit.com are the arcane ones. How in the world can you replace foo_* with *Foo in those editors. doesn't make sense.

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    3. Re:DOS sounds like a solution to me. by johnkzin · · Score: 1

      Your definition of arcane (or mine, etc.) is irrelevant.

      The relevant defn. of arcane is the OP's.

    4. Re:DOS sounds like a solution to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your irrelevant comments have been ignored.

    5. Re:DOS sounds like a solution to me. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      You search for foo_*, delete it and type *Foo.

      You can do that in emacs, or use the search replace function (honestly have no idea why emacs is considered arcane). In vi, you first need to learn how to type something...

    6. Re:DOS sounds like a solution to me. by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      vi is very Zen. You cannot type until you learn to type.

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  88. Pen and Paper by LunarEffect · · Score: 1

    I know the feeling of wanting to urgently write something down. Thats why I always have a pen and a pad as well as my laptop in my backpack with me. I just find a pen and a pad so much more convenient if you want to do more than just write a quick note, like draw a diagram or the likes =)

  89. Re:Hibernate. Or get a phone with a notes function by InlawBiker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I second the Blackberry idea. I am constantly adding tasks or notes in to my Blackberry, or adding stuff to the calendar. Eventually when I get back to my laptop or desktop my edits are there waiting for me.

  90. DS Organize by phossie · · Score: 1

    I really don't have anything bad to say about DS Organize, a homebrew app. As a bonus, it includes a somewhat old-school web browser - but it's much faster than Opera DS. Have fun getting your hands on a homebrew cartridge these days though. Grr. And when you find a seller, do your homework first. R4 is a good cartridge. I and everyone I know has been very happy with it.

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    1. Re:DS Organize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded on the DSOrganize. Fuck you on the R4. R4's have a history of breaking and bricking your DS.

      Try an AK2 if you can handle your MicroSD flying off randomly when you get unlucky, or an EZ-Flash V Plus if you can't. DealExtreme is the best place to buy. They're chinese, free shipping, slow processing and pretty good reliability.

      The ultimate best is CycloDS apparently, but it's a pain to get.

      EZ-Flash 5 Plus (or Acekard 2) + EZ-Flash 5 3-in-1 + 2gb Kingston MicroSD is the best combo from DX for just reliability, good software: Moonshell (movies, audio), DSOrganize (organizer, notepad) and "backups" of commercial games.

      The ability to get BatchDPG and turn your DS into a movie player/notepad is actually pretty nifty.

    2. Re:DS Organize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clarification:

      Both Acekard 2 and EZ-Flash 5 Plus support SDHC, but they're SIGNIFICANTLY slower than SD cards.

      The EZ-Flash 3-in-1 is an excellent support component for both Acekard 2 and EZ-Flash 5 Plus - it's a RAM booster, rumblepack and a rewritable GBA cartridge all in one.

      The AK2 is slightly better than EZ5+, but the EZ5+ has side-loading SD slot. This means that when the locking mechanism of the AK2 fails, it ejects your MicroSD at high speed directly forwards, where the EZ5+ locking mechanism makes sure the MicroSD doesn't pop out when the card is inserted.

      Of course, a smartphone (E71, E61i, E61) might be a lot better choice than the DS, unless you seriously want to write the notes rather than type them.

    3. Re:DS Organize by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Have fun getting your hands on a homebrew cartridge these days though.

      Amazon? amazon.com doesn't seem to have them but the German one has, for example, a CycloDS Evolution with a 4 gig SDHC card for about 57 Euros. If you want to pay less, the still very decent SuperCard DS One (SDHC) with 4 gig card comes in at about 40 Euros. Same price for an R4 with 2 gig card. All are available without cards as well. Just look if you find a seller that ships to the States.

      Of course you'll lose lots of money through shipping and the strong Euro but finding the modules is trivial...

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    4. Re:DS Organize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DealExtreme.com has a boatload, starting from $20 for a homebrew cartridge & 2gb memory card. $50 for one of the good sets.

    5. Re:DS Organize by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh, thanks for the tip on the R4. I haven't seen any problems, other than on my 2nd gen cart with the awful spring mechanism (so I fixed it). From a cursory search it looks like the problem is with R4 deciding they can go ahead and mess with your DS via the new firmware if you bought a knock-off cart. Hmmm. I don't think I approve of that method. No, I don't.

  91. answer: puppy linux by omz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "What is the fastest booting operating system out there that is still sufficient for editing text?"

    certainly: Puppy Linux.

    7 seconds and you are ready

    1. Re:answer: puppy linux by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I'll second that! I've got it running on an old laptop (PII 266, 96Meg RAM) and it boots into a GUI in well under a minute. On a modern machine, if all you want is a CLI, I can well believe that claim of 7 seconds. If you want an easy, light weight editor, use nano, as has been mentioned elsewhere. It's not included by default, but a quick search of their user forum will find you a download.

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  92. Your best bet with no futzing around by jvin248 · · Score: 1

    is to load Damn Small Linux onto a USB flash drive and boot from there. Then you've got a full desktop to actually do a few things with and you don't have to spend a bunch of time "compiling" other stuff; unless of course that's your hobby.

    Different application, but check into ltsp.org as they made significant boot time reductions for the client machines. If you're doing a project to compress the next Windows or Ubuntu boot code then look there for what they did as a good proxy.

  93. You must be doing something wrong. by Rui+del-Negro · · Score: 4, Informative

    XP loads in roughly 4 minutes to usable

    Well, mine boots in one minute, and that's including the 25 seconds the RAID controller spends looking for drives (before I installed it, it "booted to desktop" in exactly 26 seconds - I timed it). Add about 3 seconds to start something like Notepad / Textpad (or 6 seconds to start a real word processor) and you should be up and running in 30-90 seconds. Not lightning fast, and slightly slower than a "lightweight" Linux system, but a long way from "4 minutes".

    But you can be up and running in much less than that simply by using sleep / hibernate, instead of actually loading the full OS.

    Or get a modern PDA / cell phone. You can take photos of anything that's already written down or you can use the sound recorder to take voice notes (this is assuming you don't like typing on a PDA / cell phone keyboard). Then just transfer everything to your PC via Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or whatever.

    For the true "pen & paper" feel, get a digital pen (Flash-heavy site). You'll still need to find something (or someone) to write on, though.

    1. Re:You must be doing something wrong. by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, I second and third that.

      I have Vista Business running on a two-year-old Dell laptop with 1 GB of RAM. It boots up to usable in under 2 minutes, and Word 2007 takes about 5 seconds.

      If I have the laptop in standby, which it can stay in for about a half day without charging, it "boots" in about 5 seconds, plus another 5 to get on the wireless network.

      As for jotting quick notes... I send myself emails from my phone. Works great, and I can attach an audio recording if I don't want to type.

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    2. Re:You must be doing something wrong. by cgenman · · Score: 1

      The XP boots and loads to desktop a bit slower than yours (this isn't a spring chicken laptop). But as large portions of what used to consistute boot time in NT4 now happen after the desktop appears, the destop isn't usabe for several minutes afterwards. It is bogged down while windows starts its services, the virus checker initializes, office (and any other app that I haven't caught) pre-load themselves, everything phones home to version check, etc.

      Sleep usually works, but drains the battery. Hybernate is a neat trick, but XP has never been particularly good at recovering sucessfully on this laptop.

      And I love OS's. I'm currently triple booting with Sky OS, Ubuntu, and XP. DOS, Minuette, Kolibri, BusyBox, and others are all great choices to try.

    3. Re:You must be doing something wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the same thing. Seriously to have XP boot 4minutes there has to be loads of crap on it. After a clean install i have my xp booting ~40seconds, after installing w/e i need to work/relax, ends up at just over a minute.

  94. N800 by dmsuperman · · Score: 1

    My Nokia N800 is running 24/7, with a sketchpad just like 3 seconds away. I can either draw my notes, or flip open my bluetooth keyboard and type up some notes.

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  95. How about Damn Small Linux? by MattBD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think Damn Small Linux is perfect for this. It's very fast to boot on most machines, can easily be carried around on a CD or USB pendrive, it has a GUI that's reasonably easy to use though minimal, it has Nano and Beaver for text editing, and can be extended easily thanks to MyDSL. It's also possible to install it to HD. As long as you're comfortable mounting devices from the command line, it should be a good choice.

  96. Coleco Adam!! by __aamisb9940 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Boots straight to a Word Processor :D

  97. Re:Hibernate. Or get a phone with a notes function by ohxten · · Score: 1

    Agreed. My PC uses only three watts when running in suspend-to-disk mode (equal to the amount it uses when powered off), and boots instantly when I wake it up.

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  98. re: Not hard -- Use Vista by neapolitan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whenever I run Vista my computer gets a fast boot to the main screen.

    In fact, one time I kicked my monitor clear across the room, and I am generally a very calm person.

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  99. Alphasmart works better for me than a laptop by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I want to write NOW NOW NOW, I reach for my Alphasmart. I like the instant-on ability, and the insanely long battery life.

    What really makes me happy is that it doesn't have the usual distractions of a desktop. No internet, no games, no browsing, no music ...

    It's a word processor. That's all it does, and it does that one thing very well indeed. And for creative, but easily distracted minds like mine, that's a real plus.

    It doesn't host USB formatted drives, though it can be used as a USB keyboard to rapidly transfer your writing to another computer. Just plug it in and hit "send."

    1. Re:Alphasmart works better for me than a laptop by rpbird · · Score: 1

      Get your Alphasmart new if you're going to get one. There is currently an Alphasmart bubble on eBay, even the 3000 is going for over $50, and the Neo is going for $160 ($200 new). Also LCD screens exposed to a lot of light and use have a finite lifetime before "greening out." This makes them very hard to read. Creeps on ebay have been photoshopping the green out of the displays, when they aren't using stock pics. Be Warned!

  100. The battery also drains when off on the 700/900 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In about 10 days you probably won't be able to power it up. See http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=317729#p317729 .

  101. Solved 20 Years Ago by reallocate · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Twenty years ago I was using DOS. It booted almost instantly. If I wanted to, I might have edited autoexec.bat to include a command to launch an editor at the end of the boot. Or, I might have used a TSR like Sidekick that would have provided access to a text editor, and more, at the touch of a key.

    Modern operating systems are several orders of magnitude larger than DOS. Hence, the longer boot times.

    Remember, however, that Unix and Linux are text-based operating systems. You don't need to run X, the graphical interface, if you don't want to. You can alter the boot scripts of a Unix/Linux machine to stop at the text interface, ask you which interface you want to use, or just boot in text mode and launch a text editor.

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    1. Re:Solved 20 Years Ago by owlstead · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, you now have a nice graphical unit. For just typing text, this may be a bit much, but even then I do like proportional fonts when reading stuff. Furthermore, you are connected to the rest of the world, you can edit multiple documents and even document types at the same time etc.

      I've switched back to DOS (in VMWare) for a while, and I must say that except for the WarlordsII game that I was playing, it was not a pleasant experience. Then again, the startup times of the good old MSX was something else. If you wanted to play games you just put in 8, 16 or 32K of ROM. Current Smart Cards are more capable than the core of the MSX back then :)

  102. DSL? by houghi · · Score: 1

    Loads pretty fast and you still have GUI for other things.

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  103. Macintosh OS X wakes instantly by iliketrash · · Score: 1

    Macintosh laptops running OS X will wake from sleep and be ready to use before you get the lid open. Just leave your favorite text editor or word processor open when you put it to sleep so it is available in zero seconds.

    I don't know about FAT32 support but this suggestion isn't so much for the OP as for others who might be interested.

    This is not a new feature of Macintoshes--I have used Apple laptops since the mid 1990s and it has always been this way. And they will sleep for nearly a week before draining the battery, at which time they store everything to disk and then shut down.

    1. Re:Macintosh OS X wakes instantly by binary+paladin · · Score: 1

      I don't know about wake from sleep before I get the lid open, but it's less than 10 seconds generally (if I'm not running software requiring Rosetta or have a virtual machine open). And it reads FAT32 just fine.

  104. PalmOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PalmOS. Instantly on, grab the stylus and write. Perfect fit for you.

  105. Yes, this is the best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to give that answer, but you beat me to it. It must be as obvious as I thought it was. I would like to add to this that the question, as formulated, is probably wrong. The questioner asked for an OS with text-editing capability and nothing more. But when he would actually start to use such a contraption, he'd quickly find out that it's kind of bothersome not to be able to browse the web, for example. As usual, at least in my experience, people almost never realise or know what they want, which makes them ask the wrong questions. The nice thing about sleep-to-disk is that it works on pretty much any modern OS so the asker can do whatever he's doing now, so we can recommend it even though we don't know what he actually wants.

  106. Moblin: claims to boot in 5 seconds by enough2000 · · Score: 1

    Moblin claims a boot time of 5 seconds - in that time a fully usable UI environment is loaded. http://moblin.org/netbooks-and-nettops I have recently seen a movie as a 'proof' on a conference but I cannot find it on youtube or similar.

  107. alternative by uniquegeek · · Score: 1

    I'm not familiar with the current small/fast more obscure distros, so my first thought was

    "I wonder how fast a really old OS would run on new hardware." Assuming it could run on the new hardware, of course.

    Remember the "Turbo" button? Whoa. Slow down, buddy.

  108. retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whoever posted this is a retard. 3 minutes to boot windows?

    Sounds like he's got every possible piece of crapware, antivirus, 25 things in his system-tray and every background service possible.
    The kind of guy who, when you go to use something on his computer, the drive clicks for 15 seconds.

    So much bullshit installed that he has to boot another OS to edit text. ROFL.

    My XP install never takes more than 20 seconds to boot. nLite helps here.

  109. Coreboot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

              I'm surprised no one has mentioned coreboot (formerly LinuxBIOS). I seem to recall three second boot times.

              http://www.coreboot.org

  110. why flamebait by unity100 · · Score: 1

    apart from the obvious insult of course.

    it also beats me why someone would need to fire up another operating system to take notes. NOTES ffs.

  111. Why booting is slow by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 3, Informative
    Most of the slowness in booting a Linux system is due to starting up all the services, USB plug n play stuff, etc etc.

    A statically linked Linux system with no USB etc can boot in 3 or so seconds to a command line, even on a 100MHz CPU.

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  112. Pencil & paper by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

    Pencil & paper.
    Boot time appears almost instantaneous.
    Very handy for jotting down an idea or two.
    Battery doesn't run out.
    I keep a pencil+paper on the door of my fridge, so it's always easy to find.
    For storage, I use "back pocket of jeans" until I can upload it somewhere permanent.

    1. Re:Pencil & paper by strattonbrazil · · Score: 0

      Pencil & paper. Boot time appears almost instantaneous. Very handy for jotting down an idea or two. Battery doesn't run out. I keep a pencil+paper on the door of my fridge, so it's always easy to find. For storage, I use "back pocket of jeans" until I can upload it somewhere permanent.

      I would have to agree with this. I carry a pen and 3x5 notepad in my pocket. It's convenient to jot down ideas AND diagrams. If you need to give a number or e-mail to someone, you can just rip a page out. My dad's a CFO and he carries 3x5 cards around with him. He uses a PDA, but for most things, pen and paper is tried and test. No boot up times, very fast, dynamic. I'm a programmer, too, but most of my code editing ideas can be summarized instead of coded immediately. I'm assuming if you boot up to a small speedy OS, you're not trying to run the code then and there anyway.

  113. colorforth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haven't tried it, but I bet it boots quite quickly.

  114. Re: Not hard -- Use Vista by magus_melchior · · Score: 5, Funny

    Are you saying that you were able to alter the boot time by putting the machine in motion?

    That's quite a kick you got there.

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  115. right (write?) tool for the job by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Okay, listen, I'm as much a techhead as the next guy, and far more than most (check out my Slashdot user ID), but the right tool for this job seems to be pen and paper. I carry around a small notebook with me almost everywhere I go, and it's not the electronic variety. Actual dead-tree paper. I jot stuff down throughout the day, enroute to work at a stop light, during lunch, at the movies, whatever. I can also write things down to give to people. It never needs an electrical outlet or batteries, and doesn't even need to be solar-powered, and you don't look like a tool at a coffeeshop.

    If this is simply too low-tech for your lifestyle, then might I suggest you get a smartphone. You most likely carry this with you at all times, and you can easily take notes on them. Some even have qwerty keyboards. There's a very nice looking one coming out on the Sprint network next month called the HTC Touch Pro. And if you want a slim no-keyboard model, the HTC Diamond is out in a week or so. Very high-resolution screen (VGA, which is, I think 50% better than that of the iPhone). You will almost certainly be able to put Google's Android on both of these phones. Personally, I'm waiting for the HTC Touch HD, with an 800x480 screen. :)

  116. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about DOS?

    How is that fast? You still gotta boot Windows so you can open a DOS-box, right? ;-)

  117. BeOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BeOS is a reasonably featured OS, and it boots like lightning if it's installed on the disk (takes a few seconds if you're booting from something else, but still faster than most Linux desktops I've seen).

  118. solid state disk laptops by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Some are up to 32GB now.

  119. sleep an EEE PC by speedtux · · Score: 1

    Point 1: Sleep and wake actually works on MacOS/X

    My MacBook hangs every few dozen or so cycles. It's also rather ponderous.

    Sleep/wake works a lot better on the OLPC or the EEE PC

  120. Arch Linux by bstamour · · Score: 1

    I have been playing around with this very minimalist distro the past few days. I can get it to go from completly shut down to a graphical login in about 35 seconds. This includes grub and everything. Getting it to boot into a text-only login will probably take less time, but I haven't benchmarked it yet.

  121. DOS FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MS-DOS boots from USB drive in about 1 second (after BIOS). Type EDIT and away you go.

    But if you just want to jot something down, why not use an iPhone, Palm Pilot, or blackberry and email it to yourself?

  122. Re: always just put it to sleep by neonsignal · · Score: 1

    Exactly right, and it cuts out the BIOS startup as well! The text editor is already open on the document you were just working on.

  123. Use a Blackberry by gemada · · Score: 1

    just take notes on a phone such as a BlackBerry. If you are connected to a BES, the notes will wireless sync in real time with the notes in your Outlook.

  124. slackware 12.1 by sick_soul · · Score: 1

    My slackware 12.1 (with kernel 2.6.26 though) boots in 30 seconds, from Loading Linux to the login prompt.
    Then I'd go emacs -nw, but since you ruled it out, try the other already suggested simple editors
    (nano seems a good choice).

  125. 4 minutes ???? wtf ???? by Hurricane+Floyd · · Score: 1

    Windows XP 4 minutes until a uasable boot? WTF, my old Dell D800 running XP SP3 can get to a usable desktop in 60 seconds or less, and yes I have about 50 applications installed. The trick is to keep your start-up streamlined, and always keep malware off your system.

  126. Not all motherboards run coreboot by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    LinuxBIOS/Coreboot will get a system up in 3 seconds or less.

    But requires a motherboard compatible with coreboot. Which do you recommend buying?

    1. Re:Not all motherboards run coreboot by jd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here's the official list, but I tend to track the changelog, where chipsets and mainboards are added almost daily. I suggest looking at the Freshmeat record, where I've noted what has been added to the software prior to being officially designated as verified.

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  127. Manilla Folder by xactuary · · Score: 1

    I keep my MacBook Air in a manilla folder and use the pen in my pocket to write directly on it. Time to boot: zero.

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  128. Oh come ON, it's obvious by mnmn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Use DOS.

    If you need fancy text editing, use WordPerfect 7.

    You can even find shortkey masks for standard keyboards, I still remember shift-7 prints.

    Either way, Linux's boot-to-edit cannot come close to the speed of DOS. Especially with himem and emm386 disabled.

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    1. Re:Oh come ON, it's obvious by Arker · · Score: 2, Informative

      *sigh*

      DOS is going to have difficulty meeting the requirement to support lots of modern file systems I'm afeared. (And I could be wrong, if FreeDOS has gotten a LOT better since the last time I looked.)

      And WordPerfect is NOT a text editor. It's a word processor. Totally different animal. Doh.

      If you can get a DOS running with the necessary file system support, try to dig up an old copy of QEdit. That old thing rocked hard.

      Or Xtree. Also rocked hard. Qedit was the best single-purpose text editor, Xtree was really a file manager with a great text editor built-in. Both far more lightweight than WP.

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    2. Re:Oh come ON, it's obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use minix, it's boots in about 3 seconds, no joke.

    3. Re:Oh come ON, it's obvious by julesh · · Score: 1

      DOS is going to have difficulty meeting the requirement to support lots of modern file systems I'm afeared. (And I could be wrong, if FreeDOS has gotten a LOT better since the last time I looked.)

      FreeDOS supports FAT32, which is what the OP asked for. There is a (commercial) driver available for NTFS, but I'm not sure whether or not it's any good.

    4. Re:Oh come ON, it's obvious by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I still remember shift-7 prints.

      Okay that one threw me for a minute... I think it might have been shift+F7 though... shift+7 normally gave you a '&' character :)

      I used to love wordperfect for dos. It was sleek, ran almost identically on the Amiga, and while it took a small investment in time to get to know the keyboard codes, knowing them meant you could get things done really fast. I love vi for the same reason - you can edit text at high speed without your fingers leaving the home row.

      I never found a version of wordperfect for windows that I liked though... it always just seemed easier to use word.

    5. Re:Oh come ON, it's obvious by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Plain old MS-DOS 7 (as found under Win9x) is more stable (it will run for YEARS without needing a reboot -- crashes are symptomatic of bad system RAM), is essentially bug-free, handles FAT32 partitions of any size up to the safe FAT32 limit (which is 32GB -- larger partitions can experience data-wrapping/loss), and in my long experience is the fastest of the DOS variants. The ancient OAKCDROM.SYS and MSCDEX driver and interface (found with DOS6 and later) work fine with single-session CDs and DVDs, and the old M$ Mouse driver v8.2 works perfect.

      This is the basic setup I still put on any machine that needs a DOS boot -- which I still use for old games, and sometimes because I'm in a hurry and like the OP, just want a text editor!

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    6. Re:Oh come ON, it's obvious by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Actually, WordPerfect works perfectly dandy as a text editor. Good old WP5.1 is my editor of choice for large textfiles, as once the textfile gets into the several-megs size, other editors slow down, whereas WP does not. It can save in either UNIX or DOS text formats (ie. without or with line breaks) and can handle the complete range of special characters, including an EOF marker in mid-document -- that chokes most text editors. It can do fuzzy search and replace; its macros can be set up to perform all sorts of tasks, including formatting and "fill in the blanks"; it includes primitive spreadsheet functions. It doesn't mind being called by other apps or run in a poor-man's multitasker like DesqView, or run in a modern environment like WinXP. And it is essentially bug-free and uncrashable.

      I use it so routinely as a text editor from inside other apps, that I have a Handy WP Macro to save back to the original location as DOS-text and exit back to the parent app.

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  129. Continuing the bad analogy... by Junta · · Score: 1

    So hypothetical analogy guy is in one city, and complains that he must spend his nights in a city an hour away because his company is paying for his hotel and they will only pay for a Motel 6, which is in the city an hour away, and asking how to speed up the trip. You could either answer his question, or let him know about the Motel 6 a minute away that he missed..

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    1. Re:Continuing the bad analogy... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      ...Motel 6 a minute away that he missed...

      Or more likely in this case he checked out and it was full of hookers, drug dealers and roaches, or didn't have cable TV so it didn't meet his full requirements. Hence his asking how to speed up the trip and not just where's the closest motel 6.

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    2. Re:Continuing the bad analogy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except we DONT FUCKING KNOW HIS REQUIREMENTS.

      Sleep might be acceptable. So you might as well suggest it. If rather than having a bunch of fuck-wit anti-sleep wankfaces vomit on about how SLEEP IS NOT THE ANSWER then the OP would just have to skip one small suggestion rather than all this SHIT.

  130. PalmOS by vrmlguy · · Score: 1

    Oh, you wanted something that runs on x86? Well, then you should have said so. Seriously, though, I've still got my old Palm III, which is perfect for taking notes, and it syncs with just about everything. A quick check of Ebay shows a "Palm III xe PDA" for $20, and a "Palm Pilot 3Com PDA Organizer - Palm III" for $15.

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  131. How about... by Angostura · · Score: 1

    ... you velcro a small paper pad and pen to your laptop. Seriously.

  132. QNX by jbolden · · Score: 1

    QNX can be boot in about a second and has both VI and Emacs. You can have EMACS preloaded as part of the boot and it won't add much time.

  133. ALT + L by coryking · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm pretty sure there is a config switch for it too, but ALT+L works for me.

  134. Customized Debian FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Debian install pretty much boots to my Openbox GUI in about 15-20 seconds.

    The ingredients are as follows:

    1. Custom kernel, with all fancy shmancy that I don't need tossed out. And since I don't chance processors everyday, no initrd.

    2. use init-NG instead of the old init.

    3. Remove all processes from startup that you don't really need. Under debian I prefer sysv-rc-conf for that.

    4. use a sleek window manager instead of KDE. In my case, as I said, Openbox.

    5. Use mingetty instead of getty. Set it up in the inittab so that the mingetty on TTY2 logs your user in automagically.

    6. Don't use KDM/GDM/whatever. Simply add a few lines in your .profile that check if current TTY is TTY2, and run a startx

    7. ?????

    8. Porfit!

    9. Install spellchecker.

  135. What's wrong with XP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my computer, it's 20 seconds from power on to Notepad.

  136. Just never turn your laptop off... by Offtopic · · Score: 1

    It's that easy. Boot time -- 0 seconds.

  137. Try a different tool other than a laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the situation you describe, I wouldn't recommend an operating system so much as the laptop being the wrong tool for the job.

    I've been using the Alphasmart 3000 (www.alphasmart.com)for quite a few years now, and it's great for doing the things you describe. Starts up within a second or two, and you can be editing text within that time. Incredible battery life, and you can use the keyboard emulator cable to download the ASCII text to any word processing software to make things look pretty later.

    For a relatively low price (few hundred dollars), I strongly suggest you check it out. I've used mine on business travel, to take notes at the job, and the kids love using it for typing up reports for school too.

  138. FASTEST OS by MoonlightofDeath · · Score: 1

    The FASTEST OS I have seen is BeOS. It boots to a GUI in under 15 seconds on a Pentium II @ 200 MHz with MMX. Too bad it is no longer supported.

  139. Sny computer by Cannelloni · · Score: 1

    I never turn my MacBook Pro off. It's ready to rock in about one second. I assume you can do the same with Linux, FreeBSD or even Windows. Why would you want to turn off a modern computer?

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  140. How 'bout freedos... by GuyverDH · · Score: 1

    http://www.freedos.org/cgi-bin/lsm.cgi?mode=dir&dir=edit

    direct link for a smattering of editors for it...

    should be quick - setup the autoexec.bat to start the editor of choice if want even faster...

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  141. QNX by tetabiate · · Score: 1

    Small, fast, and free.

  142. Re: Not hard -- Use Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who needs a Large Hadron Collider? All we need is two PC running XP at opposite ends of a room. In a short time they will be booted to the speed of light and we can study the subatomic particles that emerge.

    And we thought MS was spending billions on an operating system, when in reality they were building a particle accelerator. Tricky.

  143. BeOS / Clones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Waaaay back in the day, I had a 180Mhz power mac running BeOS which would take 12-15 seconds to go from completely powered off to fully usable GUI.

    My PC BIOS these days takes longer than that.

  144. Re: Not hard -- Use Vista by Zwicky · · Score: 1

    He just accelerated it so it's just logical that it would boot faster.

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  145. about the best I have found is by gearloos · · Score: 1

    pcdos on a recent/fast machine. It gets me to a prompt in 10 seconds if I remove the usb,cdrom etc drivers. simple dos editor from there.

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  146. Get an Eee. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brilliant for this sort of thing. Boots in 6 seconds from suspend. Cheap as chips.

    (also brilliant for many other things).

  147. LiveScribe pen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LiveScribe boots up in 3 seconds. Records audio and has the best UI in the world for writing -- a pen.

    Between it and my crackberry, I don't need to carry around a laptop any more.

  148. Where have all the PDAs gone? by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    You're looking for a PDA. Too bad no one really makes them anymore. The creators behind the Palm Pilot expressly designed the thing to compete with a pen-and-paper rather than the other digital organizers that were available at the time.

    I have a work-provided blackberry, but I still find myself doing everything (except for checking email or using google maps) on my Palm TX.

    I use tejpwriter to edit documents on SD cards, it's one of the few things that can grapple with large documents. With an portable IR or bluetooth keyboard you can actually do some serious editing with it, then sync up with your real computer later.

    Also useful utilities such as PalmPDF allow me to proofread and refer to finished documents and presentations for research / rehearsals. All my other information comes in through SunRise + Plucker. It also comes with a stripped-down rudimentary MS-Office compatible Documents thingy, but I haven't found it very useful beyond the spreadsheet application.

    For very quick notes I just use the "notes" scribblepad thing, and then transcribe it into the correct application later.

    I wish they succeeded in porting Palm OS to Linux. Supposedly the Nokia N810 tablet has a working Palm Garnet VM that reportedly works pretty well.
    http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/
    Seems like the best option so far for a "modern" PDA, though it wasn't expressly designed as one.

  149. Splashtop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, as ASUS call it "Express Gate"
    Comes with all their new motherboards, and on the EEEBox, too.
    5 seconds to a screen.
    Editor in about 2 -3 more seconds.
    Just coming out on their notebooks too..

    http://www.splashtop.com/

  150. How about Splashtop by Flossymike · · Score: 1

    For such fast boots to a workable enviroment, Splashtop would seem ideal

    http://www.splashtop.com/

    Several of the Asus motherboards come with it. I'm sure it must be possible to modify it, but I haven't tried it let ... I'd like them to release one with integrated onboard Intel graphics.

  151. Re:Heh - I thought TFA was going to be a faster em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't people comment when they see "shit" written on your hand?

  152. Not a laptop - Nokia N800 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0 seconds. It runs a busybox/Maemo-based Linux.

    My N800 is "on" almost all the time and nearby. It easily goes 2+ days between charges if you're just using it for text editing, lite browsing, email, and RSS feeds.

    If I'm playing music, and Skyping, and using the GPS and uploading vacation pictures with it, the battery lasts about 5 hours of heavy use. Generally, when I'm doing all these things, I'm in a hotel with power. Let's be honest here, uploading photos over a 3G connection (bluetooth tethered to my cheap cell phone) is stupid.

    If you do nothing but leave it on, then there's 9 days of standby battery.

    OR you could put your laptop into standby for about 3 sec boots or hibernate for 5 sec boots. This works for almost any OS.

  153. Pen and Paper by fluch · · Score: 1

    Still the fasters thing to have is pen and some paper/small paper based notebook! Boot up within less than a second. Just keep it around. If keeping a laptop around is easier than a paper/pen, then attach the pen and paper to the notebook.

  154. 3x5 Card and Pen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It never shuts down.

  155. Alternate approach... by Dzimas · · Score: 1

    I have a surprisingly sleek Cambridge Z88 notepad from 1988 that I still use occasionally. It has an absolutely silent rubber keyboard with sculpted keys and a rather decent text editor built in. Total time to resume is around half a second and it runs 20 hours on 4 AA batteries.

  156. How about 10 seconds from hibernation by Jeff1946 · · Score: 1

    My dell 630 laptop with XP returns from hibernation in less than 10 secs and boots up (disk activity light is mostly off) in less than 45 secs. Hibernation works well on this system. If the system is in standby (small amount of power consumption) then is ready almost instantly, main delay in this case is the wireless connecting which for word processing shouldn't be necessary.

  157. MINUETOS!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For crying out loud if you geeks haven't mentioned MinuetOS then all is absolutely lost.

  158. GTD - PocketMod? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have an excellent point. I have all the gadgets - smartphone, crackberry, laptop, multiple desktops and multiple servers ... yet, I use the GTD-PocketMod (folded paper) http://www.pocketmod.com/ and pencil more than any other solution for note taking. PocketMod was just the start of the idea - I converted that into a multi-tabbed XLS with a summary tab that can be printed and folded into pocketmod format.

    I used to call jott or my answering machine for longer/complex notes.

  159. Latitude-On by frs_rbl · · Score: 1

    available on newer Dell Latitudes. I'm not sure USB drivers are included, though.
    Here's a review

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  160. A tablet. by Valar · · Score: 1

    Not a tablet PC. A tablet, like a paper one. Keep one with you. Problem solved. If the thought is so short that a long boot time makes it inconvenient to jot down, then it will only take a second to type it up when you get in front of a comp.

    1. Re:A tablet. by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      Yeah, at a typical meeting I attend these days, everyone (including me) has adopted this approach. A piece of paper still seems to be the most flexible approach. I'd be willing to consider an E-ink tablet with a stylus that lets me scribble and also makes other PDA functionality available, but so far I find a plain old notebook to be preferable to any electronic solution I've examined.

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  161. olpc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    xo laptop

  162. This is the fastest by stm2 · · Score: 1
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  163. Re:not necessarily important Re:DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Replying to clear moderation; I swear I meant to hit underrated.

  164. Emacs is a good OS by Deorus · · Score: 1

    Now you only need a decent text editor. I guess vim would do.

    Sorry, couldn't resist.

  165. Re: Not hard -- Use Vista by spazdor · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We've discovered... the anti-cluon."

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  166. Just an Editor that hasn't been mentioned by fcf_il · · Score: 1

    ne might be a nice option for what he is looking for, it uses the same default shortcuts as all the "usual" crap like notepad, EDIT etc. regarding the OS there have been some solid recommendations (xubuntu, customized debian with fluxbox, busybox is a bit far fetched in my opinion), however if you really want to tinker with it and optimize your boot time, but still maintain a fully operational OS, try gentoo.

  167. Re:Hibernate mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently plugged an old 100mb hard drive I pulled out of a drawer into my system. I didn't know what was on it. Turned out to be a boot drive with Dos 6.0 and Windows 3.1 on it. On a Celeron 2.66 ghz the GUI was loaded and usable 5 seconds most of which was BIOS initilization. It was staggeringly fast, just shows how much junk they've added to modern versions.

          Windows 3.1 did have wordpad and it worked fine for text. Might have problem getting printer drivers for newer printers though :)

  168. Macbook 20s by dindi · · Score: 1

    Call me a mac zealot, but my MACbook sleeps immediately after closing the lid, can stay like this for more than 2 days, and comes back in less that 20 seconds, depending on what you run (I usually have thunderbird, firefox, terminals, synergy, and 5+ more things open and it is 15-20 seconds)....

    Yeah .... a Windows laptop takes 2+ minutes to come back with XP, and a Vista laptop 5+ minutes to boot (new Compaq, NOTHING installed other than the standard crap) .... yeye ... you can get a faster one .... etc ....

    Anyways ,... I am sure a Macbook air with very few things running can come back in less than 10 seconds ....

    Just my take on it ... I love any flavour of unix ......... especially if it runs on something with an apple logo and starts with an "i" .....

    Yeah ... my iphone is faster too than my crap S60 nokia !!!

    1. Re:Macbook 20s by drspliff · · Score: 1

      My laptop (ultra-slim 1ghz Toshiba Portege R100) running WinXP goes to sleep within 2 seconds of closing the lid, and is back again within another 2 seconds of opening the lid, and on a full battery can go several days in sleep mode.

      I wonder why some people just get fucked over by Windows (especially Vista) while others dont..

      Perhaps I'm doing something wrong/right ?

    2. Re:Macbook 20s by dindi · · Score: 1

      Dunno ... probably there are good machines running windows.

      But I do not like windows, not because I am trendy, but because I want a fully operational UNIX system on my desktop. BSD, Linux, OSX are my choices, and of the three OSX integrates the better with the concept of a portable device that has a fully functional GUI with free/commercial applications of mature quality...

      Well.... my last windows laptop takes like 4 minutes to came back to life, and several wifi disables until it reconnects to the net :)

  169. Bluetooth Keyboard by nick_davison · · Score: 1

    And when Apple figures out that loud noise is everyone clamouring for them to make their bluetooth iPhone work with their bluetooth keyboard, it'll be an amazing note taking tool.

    Until then, ignoring the staggeringly obvious, it's a pain in the ass to write more than a few sentences.

    Don't get me wrong, I own one, I love it and I recommend it to people despite its many flaws because I think, even with them, it's still an amazing tool... But there are a few staggeringly, achingly obvious things they've totally failed to put in there. Copy and paste is one of them, bluetooth keyboard support on a bluetooth enabled device is another.

  170. Umm. by jiteo · · Score: 1

    Carry a pen and small notepad.

  171. grub. well, not really. by radarsat1 · · Score: 1

    An editor would be a great addition to GRUB. I've used GRUB's "cat" command before to take a quick look at some text files. Being able to edit them would be a pretty simple additional command I would think, and it doesn't really need to "boot" at all.

    1. Re:grub. well, not really. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, I actually was going to suggest that, I was sure they actually had an editor, turns it doesn't. Would have pwned if it did.

  172. ReactOS by mebrahim · · Score: 1

    If suspending is not your solution, try ReactOS. Last time I checked it was booting so fast. But it is not that mature of an OS.

  173. AmigaOS by aliquis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I belive my Amiga booted in 8 seconds before I added all the patches, tools and accessories you wanted .. If you aborted the shell before loading Workbench you would probably shave off two-three seconds more ...

    Had some miniemacs with the OS, and it seems it can use fat32:
    http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/fat32.html

    You can get USB aswell:
    http://www.amigau.com/c-amiga/hardware.htm

    I realise it's not a viable alternative today, but it's kind of sad how bad things develop considering how much faster todays machines is.

    Reminds me of a youtube video with a Mac Classic running Claris Works (or something similar) and a more modern PC running Office Word or whatever, boot systems booting up, running the word processor and then writing something (and eventually saving and turning the machine of as well.)
    Of course the new software is much more advanced, but the old mac did it faster .. And sometimes people don't need much more than that application offered.

    1. Re:AmigaOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 1200 with 060 card and all the OS and patches installed on a compact flash takes 2.5 seconds to boot, and even better it does ZERO noise :)

    2. Re:AmigaOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But AmigaOS IS available today, for PC, and it still boots instantinously! Look:

      http://www.aros.org

    3. Re:AmigaOS by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      I used to use a tool on the Amiga called FastBoot. Quite an impressive hack; it's basically Suspend to Disk. Disable task switching, write out memory to disk, when you next boot, run a tool to load it back in. Since I had a lot of crap running on my Amiga, with boot times of a minute or more, it was awesome using this to reduce that to a couple of seconds.

      And.. indeed, this is exactly what I do on my Windows desktop, and indeed what I do on my XP partition on my laptop today; I Hibernate them so bootup happens in 20 seconds instead of 120 (yes, I still run a lot of crap).

    4. Re:AmigaOS by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I just close the lid on my MBP and open it up when I want to use it as well, working and (quite) reliable sleep rules!

      I never used sleep before because either I ran some weird OS and I have no idea if it was even implemented or I tried it a couple of times in Windows but since most of the times the computer couldn't boot and the information would be lost by a hard reset I never trusted it and ended up never using it seriously.

    5. Re:AmigaOS by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my times estimate was for my a1200 with 030, 8MB fast and 1.7 GB 3.5" NEC HDD. Could have been from floppies to but I think the usual 8 or 12 seconds I measured some time was on the a1200. Was quite a few years since I booted it up the last time. I hope the drive isn't dead.

    6. Re:AmigaOS by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Except that's AROS and not AmigaOS.

      It looks somewhat like Workbench, it uses similar APIs, but it can't run AmigaOS apps and it's not AmigaOS.

      AmiKit in UAE eventually running from some very small Linux dist or whatever would be more of an Amiga in that case.

      And I've actually sometimes considered putting all my stuff in AmiKit and use that instead of the modern oses ;/

      Too bad they killed it /:

  174. minimum profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    minimum profit rules!
    http://triptico.com/software/mp.html

    Never liked vi or emacs but needed a console editor. nano or pico whatever you want to call it was always a little assbackwards.

    mp curses is easy to use and has powerful search and replace features.

    syntax highlihting.

    multiple docs.

    the list continues

    combine that with a embedded linux system and you got what you need.

    If I had put as much time into learning vi or emacs as some other people out there I would badmouth all the other editors too;-)

  175. Fast: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Palm OS.

  176. You already gave us the answer... by WCLPeter · · Score: 1

    Both feel like an eternity if there isn't a pen and paper around.

    You carry around a bag with a laptop and it has never occurred to you to put said pen and paper in one of the zipper sections?

  177. PDA are another alternative by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Also, still in the "Does it necessarily have to be Linux ?" category, PDAs are another possibility too.

    I have used several PalmOS based machines during my studies and even still now.

    Turns on in less than a second, has hardware button that can be bound to jump straight into some text editing app (the default "Notes" app, or anything else can do the job to. Although "Office"-compatible editors like Documents-to-Go seem slower to start).

    Also, PDA have lots of foldable keyboard solutions if you don't like stylus scribing (specially on older machine where you have to learn using another specialized character set) or if you don't like Palm Treo / Black Berry -like thumb keyboard.
    Stowaway/Think outside/iGo used to produce nice keyboards, which unfolded into the same size are a desktop keyboard, but folded into a shape not that much more bigger than the PDA it self. Used to be connected to the serial port of the PDA, now the modern keyboards communicates using Bluetooth or IrDA.
    Instant desktop, only a couple of seconds between your pocket and deployed on any approximatively flat surface.

    I would recommend getting whatever PDA has a good response time (test first !) and good sync to your desktop (Palms are widely supported on most platforms. WinCE seems too. But what's the iPhone support under Linux ?) combined with a foldable Bluetooth keyboard from iGo, preferably a 5-rows one (1 number row and 3 rows of letter with a space bar, like your desktop), not a 4-rows one (only 3 rows of letter and a space bar, number are obtain using some shift-key and the first row of letters).

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  178. THE fastest would be by Giant+Electronic+Bra · · Score: 1

    A ROMed Linux. lol. There are a couple tablet PCs out there that will ROM boot linux. Basically it is just about instant on.

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  179. +1 vim + freebsd by ufoolme · · Score: 1

    +1 for vim +2 freebsd
    Its not that bloody hard, what its like 5 or 6 keys/commands you need to learn to get started.
    Thats less than most fps(etc) these days

  180. It has been around for YEARS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and it's name is DOS.
    and the command to use is EDIT.

    hell, it saves in fat32, and as .txt files.

    according to the request, this OS has to give him the absolute fastest boot time with what he wants to do.

    hell, he can even get it for free from freedos.org

  181. until fat32 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought about offering advice.

  182. Wrong question by Sepiraph · · Score: 1

    Why is your computer off in the first place?

  183. Slackware. by Irvu · · Score: 1

    If you want a light fast system then build it with slackware or, if you don't mind more memory you might build a gentoo system.

    In eithercase build only the essentials into the kernel and turn off all of the nonessential services. My suggestion, if you want to share the laptop with a "full featured" os is to wither create two root partitions one fast one full and then stock the fast one with only the minimal amounts then share /home.

    Or alternately mess with the kernel flags and add startup scripts to kick it into a no-services profile. This is one area where gentoo is nice in that you can set a bootlevel that turns off everything logging, services, etc.

    The disadvantage of the scripted form is the messiness with linking the two while the separate disks makes for a "cleaner" partition, and less likelyhood that booting into a full or minimal system will screw with essential /etc files.

    1. Re:Slackware. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm a gentoober, but TFQ was about the Smallest Thing That Could Possibly Work for simple text edits.
      Thus, getting it into a straight-shot boot image, with enough editor, hardware- and filesystem drivers to persist files would seem to be the ticket.
      Clearly, when you up the ante to "full featured" then you're going to want more love.

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  184. That's easy by R3d+Jack · · Score: 1

    Get a cell phone with a text edit capability. I have a Windows Mobile phone (useful but annoying); with it, I can open an app and leave it open in the background.

  185. Use the best tool for the job by La+Camiseta · · Score: 1

    You mentioned that you don't want to wait too long for a computer to boot up to to jot down your idea. My recommendation would be to use what's worked for hundreds of years, a pen and paper - pens are fairly nondescript and a nice moleskine along with a decent fountain pen (you can get a decent one for $30-50 that should last as long as you take care of it) makes writing a sheer pleasure.

  186. Palm by sherriw · · Score: 1

    Not sure if this would apply, but I can have my Palm TX booted and open a Word document for editing in under 6 seconds. If you store your documents on an SD card, you can pop that in the Palm, or into a USB adapter to edit on your computer.

  187. Umm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you system takes 4 minutes to boot to XP, you've f'ed up your computer somehow.

    1. Re:Umm... by Vexorian · · Score: 1

      Four minutes to be ready. It happens on windows, it also happens in gnome to an extent. You boot the OS in X minutes, but there's still a long way to go before you are actually able to do stuff on it, in the case of windows XP, you need to put your password then wait about 30 seconds until windows stops loading all the startup programs so you can actually tell it to open a text editor...

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  188. Live CD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if remastering a Knoppix/Ubuntu/Etc live CD would be the way to go. Remove X and Gnome, networking, sound, etc and just bring up a bash shell with the basic filesystem drivers and vim/emacs/nano. Put it on a USB drive for portability as well.

  189. Kids today... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feh, in my day if thou didn't have quill and ink at thy ready, one was forced to carve inspiration literally into the dermis. Why, I knew several quite prodigious gentlemen who, when inspiration struck, used up two or three young servants over the course of a week! And erasing proved especially messy.

  190. Syllable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Syllable it's a GUI OS, and has been around for a little while.

    http://web.syllable.org/pages/index.html

  191. Linux can boot to usable point in 3-5 seconds by tpepper · · Score: 1

    I guess there's not much posted yet, but Arjan and Auke presented at the Linux Plumbers Conference this past week and demo'd a not massively modified linux booting to fully usable (all the way to X even) in 5 seconds. Discussions and hacking at the conference apparently trimmed an additional second or two off that. There was a lot of excitement, so I'd expect to see their mods making it upstream into the kernel, distros and X.

  192. XP in 4 minutes? Yeah, right... by pinkfloydhomer · · Score: 1

    A clean install of XP will give you notepad etc. and will boot in 15 seconds or so on a pc that's not older then 4 years or so.

  193. PDA by savuporo · · Score: 1

    Either any embedded linux or winmobile PDA will do the trick, dude. Try one with the full qwerty keyboard like HTC Tytn. Always with you, always good for notes and if you dont want to write just click the voice recorder or take a picture of the sketch u just drew on the whiteboard.

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  194. Re:PDA by krazytekn0 · · Score: 1
    except for the whole

    can still access fat32 formatted USB drives...

    Thing,
    If you have a PDA/phone that can access a fat32 usb drive then please let me know, cause that would be awesome.

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  195. iPod touch or iPhone or MacBook all instant by gig · · Score: 1

    An iPod touch or iPhone or MacBook all wake from sleep instantly and don't need to be shutdown. So if you need a full PC then get a MacBook and you can just open it. By the time the lid is open it is ready for you to work. On the iPod touch or iPhone there is a built-in Notes app and Mail app or you can install SSH or WordPress. Again they are available instantly as soon as you want to use them.

  196. 2004 LG Cell Phone by tknd · · Score: 1

    My 2004 LG cell phone has a note taking program built-in. Sure, it isn't a text editor or anything but from time to time I do write a few words or a number in there if I have to.

  197. Emacs is the friendliest editor, period. by bboxman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can't really answer the question, as emacs is the most friendly editor out there. VI isn't too shabby as well. How can you expect to be taken seriously after taking a rude swipe at the two most popular (and for good reason) editors out there?

    1. Re:Emacs is the friendliest editor, period. by rs232 · · Score: 1

      "How can you expect to be taken seriously after taking a rude swipe at the two most popular (and for good reason) editors out there?"

      I concur, as I referred to in a previous post, it can be configured for basic editing. Same key presses as for MS Windows keyboard. For anything else there's a mode file out there. What's more it don't choke on large files and it's buffer ring means you never lose a file. eg, you don't write to the file but to a temporary buffer, until you save it. For search press CTRL s and start typing the search string, the text is immediately highlighted on screen. No nonsence with clicking drop down click boxes.

      In contrast to that other WordProcessor that (in spellcheck mode) asks if you want to change the current word, only the dialogue box pops up over the word so as you can't see it .. :)

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  198. Linux-BIOS, Instant Internet or Express Gate by kubitus · · Score: 1
    all are Linux-based OS placed in BIOS ROM available 5 to 10 seconds after power on. ASUS offers with their P5Q Delux a built in SSD so you can store your text straight away without mounting a USB stick or harddisk.

    tell you that is the future - and I bet hell and heaven that M$ works on their version like mad.

    imagine a boss who would not like to have his computer up and running immediately after flipping the power switch!

    if M$ can not do that they have lost the game!

  199. Get a Commodore SX-64! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It cold boots in under a second.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_SX-64

  200. Ah the smug self-satisfaction... by msimm · · Score: 1

    Can't we just go back to pickin on Windows users? :-)

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  201. Re:PDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed.

  202. Re:PDA by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

    Yep, when I pick up my Palm Treo it is usable in about 1 second. If you REALLY need something super uberquick so you don't forget your brilliant stroke of genius, you probably don't need everything that a laptop can do. You can prbably get a decent Treo 650 or something else with a qwerty keyboard for under $75, OS included. Otherwise, I'd say run any minimalistic linux distro with any one of dozens of text editors. If that's all you need or want, you have zillions of choices that will all function exactly as you require. Heck, even a fully-loaded Linux Mint setup boots pretty quick on my mediocre laptop.

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  203. PDA = Instant-On Solution by Da+VinMan · · Score: 1

    In my case, I use a T-Mobile MDA, which has a slide-out keyboard. I've also been looking at the Wing, which is basically the next version of the MDA.

    It won't access your USB sticks though. However, if the file in question is just a to-do list, you can keep that on the PDA anyway. YMMV

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  204. Macbook by johzee · · Score: 1

    Macbook with OS X cold boots in 25 seconds. Put it in sleep mode (battery decreases with 16%/day) and boot in 2-3 seconds

  205. Really fast for text editing by hobbes75 · · Score: 1

    See Oberon or the newer Bluebottle/A2 for booting with USB sticks:

    http://www.ocp.inf.ethz.ch/

    You can boot the OS natively, or if needed start it as applications on Windows or Linux/MacOS/Unix (x86).

  206. If 30 seconds is okay... by zartacla · · Score: 1

    ...you always have Puppy Linux,a small, fast and fully functional distribution. With a customized kernel, I was able to get a boot up time of around 30 seconds on a 900 MHz Celeron processor, 512 mb RAM. Even with the default kernel, on my machine it takes around 38 seconds.

  207. Tandy 100 by inKubus · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Tandy 100. There is still a lot of support out there, such as Club100, etc.

    Someone should really make a new one with the same keyboard, maybe a better screen and WiFi that still runs on AA's.

    There's the alphasmart, which is getting there, and runs PalmOS.

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  208. Syllabe by chrysalis · · Score: 1

    Try Syllabe : http://web.syllable.org/pages/index.html

    It boots almost instantaneously.

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  209. iPod Touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use an iPod Touch for that. If I need the notes on a PC I email them to myself.
    Quite a handy device for Todo, notes, etc on the go.

  210. A zaurus boots up in .5th of a second by A+Wise+Guy · · Score: 0

    I always carry my c1000 or my c3200. When I need to write something down to imagepad or write into text file, I have those 2 softwares loaded to memory and ready to write. Also, simple edit, another software, does highlights for javascripts, java, python, perl, C, C++, HTML, Plain text. I just whip it out of my pocket, and press the power button and its on right away before your 1 second is up. It runs linux and I have to admit, it's under suspend but I have left it in suspend mode for 2 weeks without it needing a recharge and is fully charged after I look at it after those 2 weeks have gone by.

  211. Re: Not hard -- Use Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure Chuck Norris can...

  212. Puppy Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you considered this? small (less than 100M) and fast (both in execution and in booting - it boots in about less than 10 secs from GRUB menu to X desktop) - and it's a full-fledged Linux desktop environment with much much more than just a text editor (of course, text editor is included).

    Furthermore, you don't have to erase your existing OS - you can install it on top of Windows or any other Linux you have. (I have it running on top of UbuntuStudio - in fact, I use it everyday except when I need the studio).

    Get it from http://puppylinux.com/

  213. iPhone e-mail by AndyCanfield · · Score: 1

    With an iPhone or a BlackBerry or some such, you can write a note and e-mail it to yourself, pick it up on your big machine later. Almost nothing to carry around.

  214. ATARI COMPUTER MEMO PAD by phozz+bare · · Score: 1

    nuff said.

  215. Mach Boot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mach Boot Linux starts in as little as 10 seconds.

  216. Nano? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's really sad, that nano still seems to be the gold standard of usable linux textmode text editors. Why the -w option is not default is beyond me, and it completely lacks syntax highlighting. Look for a program called "minimum profit" or mp. While the x version is a question of taste, the text version absolutely rocks! Here is a feature list:

    # Fully scriptable using a C-like scripting language.
    # Unlimited undo levels.
    # Complete Unicode support.
    # Multiple files can be edited at the same time and blocks copied and pasted among them.
    # Syntax highlighting for many popular languages / file formats: C, C++, Perl, Shell Scripts, Ruby, Php, Python, HTML...
    # Creative use of tags: tags created by the external utility ctags are used to move instantaneously to functions or variables inside your current source tree. Tags are visually highlighted (underlined), and symbol completion can be triggered to avoid typing your own function names over and over.
    # Intelligent help system: pressing F1 over any word of a text being edited triggers the underlying system help (calling man when editing C or Shell files, perldoc with Perl, ri on Ruby, winhelp on MS Windows...).
    # Understandable interface: drop-down menus, reasonable default key bindings.
    # Configurable keys, menus and colors.
    # Text templates can be easily defined / accessed.
    # Multiplatform: Console/curses, KDE4, GTK+, MS Windows.
    # Automatic indentation, word wrapping, internal grep, learning / repeating functions.
    # Spellchecking support (via the ispell package).
    # Multilingual.
    # Password-protected, encrypted text files (using the ARCFOUR algorithm).

  217. XP / Vista and sleepmode by PermanentMarker · · Score: 1

    use XP or Vista in combination with sleepmode, or hybernation..
    on my labtop that takes about 5 sec And gives me Word a powerfull text editor, but if you prefer you might use notepad as wel.

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  218. two options by Tom · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ok, lots of people already pointed out the obvious: Sleep mode. For the record: I use a Mac, and it is back up and usable before I'm done opening the lid.

    I'd like to point out something even more obvious: Pen & Paper.
    Seriously. I'm a techie as much as anyone here, but at work, which is the place where I most often have to take small notes, quickly, and have them handy for reference, I carry a stack of blank index cards and a pen with me. By my estimate it will be 10 more years before something electronic beats that.

    If you absolutely need it digital, throw them on a scanner.

    If you really, really need them in text format, it isn't that much additional work to just copy them down in a text editor whenever startup time isn't the crucial factor.

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  219. this is what hybernate/sleep is for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My system can load usably in less then 20 seconds from hibernation. This includes any open applications at the time of hibernation. So for example if there is a text file you're working with, just leave it open prior to hibernation, and there it is when you come back into the system.

    computers in general are not good at this because at the very least they have to go through the post cycle which takes upwards of 5 seconds. That means that the absolute fastest you're going to get an OS to load is something like 6-7 seconds from pressing on... and you'd probably be dealing with DOS if it loaded entirely in 1 to 2 seconds after post.

    I burn a couple more seconds, but get a modern OS for my trouble. If you aren't willing wait 20 seconds, then a PC solution here is probably not what you're looking for... you might consider a pocketPC with a thumb pad or hand writing recognition. When it comes to "let me take a note now"... you still can't beat pen and paper... but PPCs are pretty handy.

  220. Are you from the past? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get out of the stone ages. Who boots their machine anymore?????

    My Macbook sleeps flawlessly and it is "booted" within the time it takes me to open the LCD. My Thinkpad running Ubuntu is "almost" as fast and almost as reliable "booted" most of the time a few seconds after the LCD is opened.

    With modern laptop technology the concept of turning off a machine is archaic!

    Additionally if one is not around a laptop or fullsize computer there is this really new and fun technology called the smartphone. Within a few seconds you can pull it out of you pocket and open up the "notes editor" on it. My Blackbery also does not need to be booted neat eh?

    In case your stone tablet carving computer can't surf web pages fast enough a blackberry is a type of communication device sort of like the startrek communicator or iphone just much more capable than both.

  221. DOS + EDIT by tankbob · · Score: 1

    Whats wrong with DOS it can boot up in under 20 seconds and get you into edit?

  222. Flash Drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solid State Hard Drives make a huge difference.
    XP load times cut down to 30 seconds vs 4 minutes. I've done away with sleep and hibernate.

    I agree however with other posters, it seems like you'd do better to get an Iphone, Ipod Touch, Blackberry or any of the other zillion handheld devices.

  223. Re:What it's really like. How things should work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still can't break a zero score on your posts even after subscribing, I see. *That* takes talent.

  224. Sleep mode by Traumflug · · Score: 1

    You're after the wrong target, sir. If you want to have your computer off, but available quickly, you should look to get suspension work right. Suspend to RAM is as quickly as 1 to 2 seconds in each direction (on -> off or off -> on). So, before you could take a full breath, the computer is fully booted, with all needed apps running and ready to take your notes.

    The drawback is, on commodity PCs, suspend to RAM rarely works to full satisfaction. State of the art are Macintoshes; Linux and friends have still to catch up in this area.

  225. quick boot by mliikset · · Score: 1

    if you run grub or lilo, you could specify a very stripped down kernel with no support for anything optional for a quick boot, but with a login to negotiate, i'd look to see if any of the dos variants are usb qualified.

  226. 4 ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    4 minutes for loading Windows XP ? Hmmm

  227. You answered your own question by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    Pencil and paper.

  228. The Good old dos days by zakezuke · · Score: 1

    I remember running Qedit on a Compaq Contura Aero 486sx33 laptop, and it was spiffy. Quick to boot, did the job, and done. I even allocated a ramdisk for this purpose so I could get max battery life. I also had WP 6.0 while limited to 16 colors it also did the trick with minimal resources.

    But I really don't miss the good old Dos days. Seriously! Tweeking with QEMM to maximize that 640k, having to tweak the config for that odd ball program that simply refused to run even if you shoved everything into himem, it just needed an extra kilobyte or so. Even 256 colors @ 640*480 was a dream for many programs as some vintage software was hard wired for a series of graphics chipsets. VESA support was a godsend, not that I had enough vid memory to support that on the POS laptop.

    IBM tried releasing a dos webbrowser some years back, perhaps 1998 or so IIRC, and it was rather the same story, very limited support for 8 bit graphics, and you pretty much had to know your shit to get it working well, or invest in some hardware which defeats the point.

    So while part of my understands going back to dos for speedy turn it on and type out some notes, the dos era was a fucking headache.

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  229. Atari Portfolio by asciiRider · · Score: 1

    The Atari Portfolio Palmtop! Basically runs Dos 2.11. Couple of AA batteries. Open Lid, on. One keystroke and you are in an editor.

    But seriously, just use a pen and paper.

  230. Youre unlucky ... by tr9sh · · Score: 1

    ... because emacs would fit you perfectly. It just lacks a good text editor :(

  231. QED on palm pilot by johnrpenner · · Score: 1

    if you want to boot up in under a second (!) - and just bang in a couple lines of text and save - done (in less than twenty seconds) - the handiest text editor i've found is QED for the palm pilot. -- you could basically hit the power button, see and edit your text within 1 second of wake-up. click the power button again - and it would be away in your pocket - whip it out, click power again, and still be exactly where you left off -- now if only the iPod Touch could get something so advanced -- but it seems that iPod Touch thinks 3D animation and fancy transparency effects are more important than basic text editor functionality -- so the Palm still rules over the iPhone (in this department). although i have high hopes that the iPhone will, some year, actually get to have as useful text editor as the palm has had for the last ten years!

    2cents
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  232. Haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haiku (http://www.haiku-os.org/) is supposed to boot in about 10 seconds to a full GUI.

  233. Meh. 25 Seconds restore from hibernate in XP by barrkel · · Score: 1

    Only takes 25 seconds to restore from hibernation in XP on my laptop. That's not that long.

    Of course, resume from sleep is a lot faster, but that will eat battery if you don't keep your laptop plugged in often.

  234. Alternates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Consider using a pad/pencil or carrying a small recorder.

  235. SSD drives boot very fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If XP boots in 4m and Ubuntu in 1m, I recommend getting an SSD drive. Cuts boot time by a huge margin.

  236. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MacOS X typically wakes from sleep in about 2 seconds and is ready to do anything you want.

  237. netbook in sleep mode? by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

    See subject.

  238. Acer Aspire one by udippel · · Score: 1

    This is not exactly what you asked for, but the Linpus Linux boots mine in exactly 21 seconds. Two seconds too long, I know ...

  239. My Mac takes less than 10 seconds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I never shut down my Mac, I close it and it goes to sleep, then when I open it up it takes less than 10 secs to be usable, and it does not use much battery. If I close it for 30 min it takes 1-2% of the power I mean, barely noticeable.

  240. Whoosh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a weird noise...

  241. GNU Emacs for Microsoft Windows .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    Don't discard Emacs just yet, run this on top of Win95 B and you will get what you want. There's even a Windows keyboard compatibility mode so, CTRL ZXCV works as does CTRL S for save, the rest I can't remember ..

    GNU Emacs FAQ for MS Windows

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  242. Qedit for DOS .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    I was always impressed with QEDIT, it's macro language was fairly usefull ..

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  243. Try Haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Haiku the OpenSource BeOS version will boot in about 10-15 seconds depending on your hardware.
    If you configure it right (it's still pre-Alpha, so you have to configure a lot until you have it working somehow) you can easily even edit MS-DOC and have a full featured Office Suite (GoBe old but working good for most of the documents) and can listen to Music and watch Videos. (as long as your music chip is supported)

  244. Off to Linux GUI in 5 seconds by klossner · · Score: 1

    At the just-concluded Linux Plumbers Conference, Arjan van de Ven and Auke Kok demonstrated a netbook that went from powered off to GUI up in five seconds. Jaws dropped around the room. I haven't seen a formal write-up yet -- maybe LWN will cover it? -- but you can get a taste from the conference notes.

    High points that I remember:

    • Eliminate silly time-wasters. Starting X involved running the compiler (!) to preprocess a config file.
    • Determine which files are needed to boot, then start the boot by kicking off a super read-ahead program to suck those files into the page cache.
    • Boot to a stripped-down GUI, not to full-up Gnome.
    • Let networking come up asynchronously.
  245. Windows XP by chis101 · · Score: 1

    I know that no one here will care, but if you don't have dozens of programs starting up with Windows XP, it starts very quickly. My laptop is a Core2Duo 1.8Ghz with 2GB of RAM, so nothing cutting edge, and from a complete power off, it gets from selecting WinXp in grub to having Firefox loaded and displaying Google on my wireless in 23 seconds.

    Coming from sleep, the computer is usable in 6 seconds, although it takes an additional 4 seconds for wireless to be back up.

    Hibernation (with just Firefox w/ 4 tabs) takes 8 seconds to be usable, 4 additional seconds for wireless.

    Note that these times (for hibernate and cold boot) are measured starting from when Grub begins booting the OS, as I don't think it's fair to count the BIOS time and Grub's menu against the OS, as that time would be added to any OS.

    So, it may be that the answer to your 20 second boot time requirement is to use any operating system, and just don't start loads of crap with it.

  246. MacBook (Pro) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you close lid of a MacBook it goes to sleep (but not hibernate), and when you open it, the system comes about in under five seconds.

    You just need to have a text editor open. This can be the default GUI Text Editor app, GUI Emacs, or vi or emacs in a Terminal session.

  247. Re:PDA by Faux_Pseudo · · Score: 1

    I don't know of any PDA that can access a fat32 'drive'. I do know that plenty that take SD cards. With a cig lighter or smaller sized adapter that card can be turned into a 'drive' on a computer. SD cards can hold up to 8 gig these days but price per gig the larger ones are still price. Good news is that you can fit 5 of them in a match box and if you stick with two to four gig cards it won't cost more than one hundred USAD.

    Add a bluetooth or IR keyboard and key size won't even been an issue for typing. My hand writing sucks so I had to go digital a long time ago. I may be just one of the grunts at work but when it comes time for a meeting I pull out my PDA, a folding IR keyboard and am ready to take more notes than anyone else and I am able to do it faster than anyone else. And the whole thing fits in pocket as long as you aren't wearing denim.

  248. Try a pencil and a piece of paper by crovira · · Score: 1

    Boot time, as fast as I can grab 'em.

    Power requirement, none except some not too dim external light.

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  249. I did not read the comments by Larryish · · Score: 1

    thus I do not know if someone has mentioned an old operating system from the dark ages...

    PEN and PAPER version 1.0

    you can get a short ink pen and a small Ampad-brand leather-bound memo book with refills for around $5 total, and the notebook even survives repeated washings when you get drunk and leave it in your pants pocket

    been carrying one for years, it "just works"

  250. Re:Heh - I thought TFA was going to be a faster em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do the same, just on my forehead.

    How do you manage it?? mirror??

  251. The geek way. by tagnu · · Score: 1

    Setup your residential/office phone with 1. Voice recoder 2. Voice -> text converters 3. Connect it to a computer with internet And when you don't have a paper/pen and you have your mobile phone (I wonder where mankind is going) Call up any of those phones and say everything that you wanted to. Write some program to send those converted 'voice-text' as an email to your email id. Geeek enough?

  252. Hibernate once, resume many. (HORM) by Myself · · Score: 2, Informative

    XP Embedded SP2 has this funky Hibernate Once, Resume Many thing now. I don't know if it's possible to properly license the Embedded toolkit for personal use, but the technology is out there and it's interesting.

    1. Re:Hibernate once, resume many. (HORM) by NetSettler · · Score: 1

      Cool! Thanks for the cross-reference.

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  253. OpenDOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Easy, if you insiston anoperating system, DOS. 650K is more than enough for a simple text editor that is easier to use than VI. OpenDOS is free. It supports FAT32. Not counting the ROM POST of the system, DOS can boot in under 1 (one) second.

  254. Re:Not hard - Use Palm by ashitaka · · Score: 1

    Bingo.

    I've started carrying around my Palm T3 with the Palm keyboard. I type faster than I write and have a doodling app when I need to write simple diagrams. I have the wireless card when I need to check email etc.

    Smaller and lighter than even a micro laptop and turns on right where I left off.

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  255. Buy a PDA/Phone? by mlk · · Score: 1

    A good one with a keyboard.

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  256. don't know if it's "free" by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    HP has a bootable DOS for USB keys. I presume there's support for writing to and from the USB key (duh), but don't know if the drivers can be reused in disk-based DOS system. I use it to make my usb bootable (actually, it's microSD with an adapter the size of the USB contacts). When I got it, HP was giving it away via free download. No, I don't have a link.

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  257. Perfect OS - Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vista boots from sleep in less than 2 seconds on my laptop. Isnt't it what you're looking for?

  258. Re: Not hard -- Use Vista by stinkydog · · Score: 1

    Of course, by accelerating a Vista box to near the speed of light, boot times become much more managable. Relativly speaking...

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  259. Get an Apple Laptop by cyman777 · · Score: 1

    boot it up.

    Close lid.

    Open lid and work. Immediately. No "resume". No wait. It just works.

    Close lide.

    The biggest advantage of MacBooks IMHO is that they have NO startup time when opening the lid. The battery stays OK with a closed lid for about 3 days, so no need to really boot up.

  260. USB flash drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Puppy Linux on a fast USB flash drive (session save), aka flash-Puppy. You can get a 4GB, 30 MB/s read and 20 MB/s write, USB flash drive for $15 off Newegg and that includes shipping. My systems automatically pick the USB drive to boot from whenever it is present at boot time.

  261. UED on DOS by jonadab · · Score: 1

    PC-DOS 3.3 will boot in under twenty seconds at 4.mumble MHz, so on modern hardware it ought to be right near instantaneous. Back in the day I used an extremely cuspy little text editor called UED (short for "useful editor"), which I'm sure is still floating around and available someplace or another. (It was at one point distributed along with the DOS version of Online Bible. This was in the days before Windows came pre-installed on new computers, when most consumer software was still written for DOS, or in some cases for Mac and DOS.) UED doesn't have huge piles of features, but it can open up to nine files at a time, cut/copy/paste between them in full lines, traditional ranges, or rectangular blocks, among other features. (The handling of rectangular blocks is actually significantly better than in Emacs.) Its menu system is very straightforward, and everything is very discoverable. Oh, and it's small. (The version I have is 38704 bytes. Yes, I still have it sitting around, though I haven't attempted to use it lately, since I'm comfortable with Emacs now.)

    One cool thing about this kind of option is that the partition you use for it can be a *tiny* (as in, measured in kilobytes, depending on how much data you need to be able to store there at once) FAT16 system, or even FAT12. Then in your main OS you can just mount it and copy/move the text files over, possibly in an init or login script. It takes up so little drive space, the menu configuration stuff to get the boot loader to offer it to you as an option on power-up is actually a significant fraction.

    And speed? Oh, yes. I've used DOS 5 and UED on a Pentium II system (233 MHz), and it really screams. Greased lightning on wet ice, man. Makes vim look like molasses on a cold February night.

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    Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  262. "TED" on DOS - 3KB of assembler! by billstewart · · Score: 1

    There's an editor I used to put on all my DOS floppies called "TED" - it was 3KB of assembler, WYSIWYG monospaced text, and did most of what I needed if I didn't need regular expressions; otherwise I'd fire up some kind of vi or emacs clone. It was small enough that there was no reason to stick to EDLIN.

    My DOS and Windows wallpaper back in those days was Saint Dogbert saying "Out Out!! You Demons of Stupidity!!" from the Dilbert cartoon, becuse that was obviously what "DOS" stood for.

    I do have friends who were using the little HP palmtop computer that ran DOS as recently as a year or so ago; merely being way obsolete doesn't keep them from being one of the better personal organizers ever made. I had a Psion 3A that was of similar wonderfulness, though being a bit larger and heavier meant it got dropped a bit more often and eventually died.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  263. PalmOS or FancyCellPhone or Voice Notes by billstewart · · Score: 1

    If you take notes on dead tree scraps and want to import them into your calendar or real notes, where they're much easier to retrieve when you want them, you'll have to retype them anyway. If you've got a cellphone with a keyboard, that means you don't need to haul a second device around. In my case, I'll need to get a Crackberry(tm) for work, but I'm currently using voice notes on my cellphone when I don't have a computer handy.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  264. CellPhone VoiceNotes, or old Psion 3A by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Voice Notetaking on a cellphone is really convenient for short notes - in my case the phone's a Nokia, but many other phones can do it with varying UI qualities. After all, the phone has voice compression hardware, and any phone with a camera has enough memory to store a lot of notes as well.

    I've used PalmOS, and liked the integrated functionality and especially the Sync-With-MS-Outlook features, even though the OS in Palm3 - Palm7 days actually sucked rocks. Are text notes still limited to 4KB or whatever? (Unfortunately, I can no longer find the right drivers to sync my Palm7 with Outlook, plus my work laptop doesn't have a serial port any more :-) (And either Nokia's phone-sync software or my USB BlueTooth Widget's drivers or something also fail badly, so they can no longer sync up even though the could a year ago...)

    Before I got the Palm3 I had a Psion 3A, an absolutely wonderful device that was one of the predecessors to Symbian. It was a bit too big, but in return it had a keyboard that let me type two-thumbed fast enough to take fairly full notes from phone messages or meetings, as opposed to PalmOS Graffiti which I was good at but could only do about half as fast.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  265. Re: Gentoo by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    > Yeah, I'm a gentoober

    Me too. In response to the question, I would recommend doing the basic stage 3 install, and not bother with X. Install vim/whatever and strip out anything that you don't require. If you really want fast booting, boot in single mode.

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    I'm not repeating myself
    I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
  266. Windows 98 or older by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously- if you need working TCP/IP or other networking, Windows 98 SE OPTIMIZED will cold boot on older hardware in less than 1 minute. I use WordPerfect 6.1 and on my Athlon XP2400 with mediocre hard disk, WordPerfect is fully up and functional in 1 second after I double-click the icon. No joke, and no preloader is running.

    Windows 3.11 will boot even faster, but networking is trickier (painful).

  267. Solved 26 years ago! by secretagentmoof · · Score: 1

    Jef Raskin, of Mac fame, developed the SwyftCard - a ROM on a slot that acted as an embedded OS + word processor. You just turned on the machine and in under a second, wallah. Word processor. (It also did neat things like not requiring you to format a floppy in advance, too.)

  268. Use VI by burbilog · · Score: 1

    Actually Vi is really friendly if you touch type already. Just take some time to learn Vi commands.

  269. DOS by Ngarrang · · Score: 1

    DOS is the king, baby! And there exists software to let DOS access FAT32, NTFS, USB devices, etc. You don't get plug'n'play, but you will get an OS that boots fast, uses very little ram and can use a friendly text editors.

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    Bearded Dragon
  270. Cheapphone is cheap by tepples · · Score: 1

    Aren't you more likely to have your cellphone in your pocket than be lugging around a laptop?

    That wouldn't work for everyone. For instance, I carry a Virgin Mobile phone on a $65/yr plan for urgencies. The cheapest data plan for a smartphone would cost an order of magnitude more.

  271. Re: Gentoo by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but you're still pulling an initramfs, and then doing a regular init, which my method avoids.

    --
    Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  272. TRS-80 Model 100 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really. Boots almost instantly, up to 20 hours on a set of 4 AA batteries.

    If all you need is something for writing text, it's hard to beat.

    http://www.club100.org/

  273. Re:A blast from the past -- Atex to PC by InitZero · · Score: 1

    In 2001, the newspaper I worked for got rid of Atex (a PDP-11 based publishing system -- amazing in its own right) and replaced it with a more modern pagination system that involved an RS/6000 system on the backend and new-fangled Windows NT machines at the front.

    A few of the reporters were still using Tandy 100/102 laptops to file stories. The Tandy 100 ran about 18 hours on four double-A batteries. It had a 300 baud modem to send stories. In short, it was awesome. One reporter specifically refused to accept a brand new IBM ThinkPad instead favoring the Tandy 102 for another year. (Once he discovered that the ThinkPad could download porn, he gave up the Tandy 102 willingly.)

    The fully-funcational Tandy 102 laptop cost just $500 in 1986 and our reporters used it and the 100 for more than 15 years. Today a laptop will cost you about twice that, have a battery that last less than half as long and won't last you more than five years. Ah, progress.

    I still have my collection of TRS gear... TRS-80 Model I, Model IV, Tandy 100, Tandy 102, Tandy 200. All boot except the Model I. The Model IV is becoming less useful because the 5 1/4 floppies aren't aging well. The Laptops, however, work great because everything is solid-state. No moving parts!

    —Matt

  274. Smartphone by ballylama · · Score: 1

    Get yourself a smartphone. I just got my first one and have since started leaving my laptop in the bag more and more. When I do boot it, I do a quick sync. Everything you state is at your fingertips with no boot time at all.

  275. NEC MobilePro by bargonzo · · Score: 1

    instant on, ok for text (not rich text)

    saves to compact flash card (for USB access)

    cheap

    just can't read it outside (depending on model)

  276. Mod Parent Informative by mpapet · · Score: 1

    I've had to mess about with udev rules and it will do _exactly_ what the parent says it will do.

    Grandparent is wrong

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    http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
  277. A half-serious suggestion by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
    An Apple II with a CFFA would probably boot into AppleWorks and be ready to use before the monitor finished warming up. To get the data out, you pop the (CompactFlash) card out, pop it into a card reader on your other computer, and use something like CiderPress to pull the data off of it.

    For convenience, instead of using the CFFA's onboard CompactFlash slot, I'd get an IDE-to-CF adapter and connect it to the CFFA with an IDE cable.

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    20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
  278. Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you not leave your PC always on, or always keep a pen & paper handy, if you have so many ideas and a non-functioning memory? I can't help you.

  279. I have an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pen and paper.

  280. Re:A blast from the past -- Atex to PC by retchdog · · Score: 1

    Matt,

    Tommyknocker here. Someone just mentioned an IBM 2314 in a response to a comment of mine. This inspired me to check up on you and I'm surprised to find such a recent and serendipitously topical post!

    Thanks again for taking Wheel and me through the-newspaper-you-worked-for-before-"the newspaper you worked for"'s data systems. We had a great time. Hope all is well with you and your wife and kids.

    --
    "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky