Sooooooo, this has been beat to death in the last few days, but this was ALL disclosed last year, is nothing new, and so I'm wondering why you're dredging up a 10 month old revelation from APPLE to try and spin hysteria?
"the software has potential"? Really? Hell EVERYTHING has potential!! Should we let every device maker off the hook when they release a shitty product?
The question is WHAT did they release? Crap. So they deserve to get slammed for it. You know damn well if Android or Apple released a tablet without mail, which required you to tether to your phone, that people would crucify them. Are RIM users so brainwashed from using horrible Blackberries that they don't see a crappy product because that is all they are used to?
Well how about this story, which sort of shows the "researchers" who disclosed this seem to be disingenuous publicity whores rather than defenders of freedom.
But hey everybody, don't let reality get in the way of a blind Apple hate. This is Slashdot. Where posters try to look cool by making fun of Apple users who you think are trying to look cool.
You're so full of shit you don't know your head from your ass. What an Android fanboi piece of drivel. In your hatred of Apple you've certainly swallowed the Fandroid Koolaid and found a way to make Android snow white and pure, and Apple an evil empire. What difference does the amount of tracking matter? Tracking is tracking. Apple does it, Android does it. Apple has fully disclosed this in the past (July 2010). These "reasearchers" have made some misleading and spurious claims, some of them flat out wrong. To get a bit more informed and not sound like such a Android whore you might want to read a more enlightening article about it which reveals a bit of the sensationalist claims by the two so called "researchers" who appear to be more intent on free publicity than the truth.
Damn you and your attempt to point out the obvious. He was on a really good Apple-hating rant, supplemented by an humorous Android apologist escape clause. Why would you ruin that for him with common sense?
Funny how the Apple haters use every opportunity to make something totally unrelated appear negative towards Apple. The irony is your post above shows that you are much more worried about hating Apple than the Japanese people. Funny how that worked out.
10%? Apple has around 85-90% of the tablet market. And I guess APple should shut down their stores? I mean if Levis can't do it then Apple sure can't? (did you even think that comment through before you posted?)
I think he said he wanted usability, not the option to keep sending the device back to the manufacturer to turn features on. The Xoom only looked good on paper as countless reviews have confirmed. Spec sheets are fine but they only tell a small slice of the story.
Not to mention the carrier exclusivity held Apple back in some markets. I understand why they had to do it, they would only pair with a carrier if they accepted Apples terms and many carriers dragged their feet. This gave android a carrier availability advantage that apple did not have. The tablet market is not hampered by this issue and that takes away a big advantage Android devices enjoyed.
I know this is your opinion, but how can you say the Playbook looks promising? You have to have a blackberry phone to use it for email, etc. That is absolutely the dumbest design decision I have ever seen aside from the shit brown Zune.
Again with the Nook! The Nook is NOT a tablet, it's an e-reader, and your disingenuous attempt to categorize it as a tablet has failed. It's a very limited use device which could not be mistaken for a tablet. If detractors would call the iPad limited and chastize Apple for it, then the Nook is almost non-functional in comparison and should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Quit trying to coopt e-readers devices as tablets and then using them as an example of a lower priced, high sales product that is competing well with the iPad. They are not even remotely in the same category and you know it.
Read my post again dipshit. I clearly state that I don't believe the iPad feature set/price are unbeatable. I just believe they have not been beat yet. Perhaps you could save time arguing with yourself if you could read and comprehend my post.
And the Nook is NOT a tablet. It's an e-reader. It's a functionally limited device that can in no way compete with what an iPad can do. For you to say otherwise is ignorance at best, or outright lying at worst.
HOW does the Archos 101 kick the crap out of the iPad at playing videos? Specifics please.
The Vega is perfect for hackers you say? Great, it's perfect for 1% of the population. What a WONDERFUL device, with NO mass market appeal.
As for models coming down the pipe, until they are selling they are VAPOR! The iPad is one year old, is on revision 2, and is selling right now. It's not "coming soon" like the rest of the wannabes.
Seriously, for someone who obviously thinks he's intellectually superior to anyone who wants an iPad, you are a mental midget that has no clue what the average user wants.
The Nook? Really? No wonder it undercuts it, because it's not a F'in tablet, it's an e-reader! Not familiar with the other ones, but if those are Apples vs oranges comparisions like you did with the Nook then I'd say you're full of shit. And please explain to me how these wonderful Android tablets, which "significantly" undercut the iPad price, are almost unheard of outside of Android apologists?
If all you're looking at is price then Android truly is a shitty solution. I certainly don't think the iPad is perfect, nor that its feature set/price can't be beat. I just believe that there is nothing beating it now, and all the vapor ware that has been announced so far is clouding the Android apologists' minds. And just so you can pull your head out of your ass a little faster, the phone market is not the same as the tablet market. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can start to make some arguments that make sense.
I would say the Android toehold in the US is largely due to iPhone being locked into AT&T for 3 years. If iPhone would have been available on multiple networks here I doubt Android would have much market share. We'll have to see how it fares against iPhone on AT&T and Verizon going forward, but I think we'll see a slip in Android sales on those two networks.
Yes, you certainly do see a lot of announcements. Unfortunately that's all you see, announcements. The Android tablet market at this point is largely vaporware. The few that have been released have looked good on paper, but received shitty reviews. It doesn't bode well for Android apologists' ability to sleep at night.
Ha!! I sure am enjoying this. Yes, motorola has launched a ridiculously expensive, partially functional, poorly performing product that I believe is already being shut down. Where is your comparably priced Android tablet which is going to kick the iPad off its perch? Right now it's all vapor.
You need to wake up and face a bit of reality. While the iPad may not enjoy this lead forever, one reality you have to face is one factor is not present in the tablet wars, the cellular carrier. The fact that the iPhone was exclusive on AT&T for 3 years gave Android an opportunity to gain traction via Verizon. (Yes, I know the US market is not the world, but this is the reason Android is even alive in the US). Now that iPhone is also on Verizon lets wait and see how the Android phones fare when they have to compete head to head? Verizon is already trying to give them damned things away now that the iPhone is on the network. While it's correct to say no device works for everyone, I would make the assertion that the iPad will appeal to a much larger segment of the population than the Xoom or other Android copycat.
As for you last paragraph, exactly HOW is the iPad expensive when no one else can seem to match the price? Hmmmm? Is anyone other than rabid Apple haters complaining that the iPad is "VERY restrictive". . ..(answer, NO!)? And the reason the iPad has unfettered exclusivity is that Apple built their first, and everyone else is still in copy mode since they don't seem to be able to have an original idea. I think you should sit down and have a drink because you are going to have to face an unpleasant reality at some point . . ...your precious Android is not as great as you think it is.
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Fail on your understanding of his point. Saying the concept is similar does in fact make his analogy worthwhile.
Sooooooo, this has been beat to death in the last few days, but this was ALL disclosed last year, is nothing new, and so I'm wondering why you're dredging up a 10 month old revelation from APPLE to try and spin hysteria?
"the software has potential"? Really? Hell EVERYTHING has potential!! Should we let every device maker off the hook when they release a shitty product?
The question is WHAT did they release? Crap. So they deserve to get slammed for it. You know damn well if Android or Apple released a tablet without mail, which required you to tether to your phone, that people would crucify them. Are RIM users so brainwashed from using horrible Blackberries that they don't see a crappy product because that is all they are used to?
Or people who care more about how well something works out of the box rather than being able to install Linux on a toaster. . .
Calm down, Mordok was being sarcastic.
Damn you, you made me choke on my lunch on that one!
Well how about this story, which sort of shows the "researchers" who disclosed this seem to be disingenuous publicity whores rather than defenders of freedom.
https://alexlevinson.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/3-major-issues-with-the-latest-iphone-tracking-discovery/
But hey everybody, don't let reality get in the way of a blind Apple hate. This is Slashdot. Where posters try to look cool by making fun of Apple users who you think are trying to look cool.
You're so full of shit you don't know your head from your ass. What an Android fanboi piece of drivel. In your hatred of Apple you've certainly swallowed the Fandroid Koolaid and found a way to make Android snow white and pure, and Apple an evil empire. What difference does the amount of tracking matter? Tracking is tracking. Apple does it, Android does it. Apple has fully disclosed this in the past (July 2010). These "reasearchers" have made some misleading and spurious claims, some of them flat out wrong. To get a bit more informed and not sound like such a Android whore you might want to read a more enlightening article about it which reveals a bit of the sensationalist claims by the two so called "researchers" who appear to be more intent on free publicity than the truth.
https://alexlevinson.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/3-major-issues-with-the-latest-iphone-tracking-discovery/
Damn you and your attempt to point out the obvious. He was on a really good Apple-hating rant, supplemented by an humorous Android apologist escape clause. Why would you ruin that for him with common sense?
Jeez you're an idiot. In your zeal to condemn Apple fanbois you show your Android fanboi mentality. Physician heal thyself.
ALL generalizations are false. . . now enjoy the circular logic.
Which would put them on equal footing, wouldn't it?
Funny how the Apple haters use every opportunity to make something totally unrelated appear negative towards Apple. The irony is your post above shows that you are much more worried about hating Apple than the Japanese people. Funny how that worked out.
10%? Apple has around 85-90% of the tablet market. And I guess APple should shut down their stores? I mean if Levis can't do it then Apple sure can't? (did you even think that comment through before you posted?)
I think he said he wanted usability, not the option to keep sending the device back to the manufacturer to turn features on. The Xoom only looked good on paper as countless reviews have confirmed. Spec sheets are fine but they only tell a small slice of the story.
Not to mention the carrier exclusivity held Apple back in some markets. I understand why they had to do it, they would only pair with a carrier if they accepted Apples terms and many carriers dragged their feet. This gave android a carrier availability advantage that apple did not have. The tablet market is not hampered by this issue and that takes away a big advantage Android devices enjoyed.
I know this is your opinion, but how can you say the Playbook looks promising? You have to have a blackberry phone to use it for email, etc. That is absolutely the dumbest design decision I have ever seen aside from the shit brown Zune.
Again with the Nook! The Nook is NOT a tablet, it's an e-reader, and your disingenuous attempt to categorize it as a tablet has failed. It's a very limited use device which could not be mistaken for a tablet. If detractors would call the iPad limited and chastize Apple for it, then the Nook is almost non-functional in comparison and should not even be mentioned in the same sentence. Quit trying to coopt e-readers devices as tablets and then using them as an example of a lower priced, high sales product that is competing well with the iPad. They are not even remotely in the same category and you know it.
I comprehended your point of view just fine. It's just that you were wrong.
Read my post again dipshit. I clearly state that I don't believe the iPad feature set/price are unbeatable. I just believe they have not been beat yet. Perhaps you could save time arguing with yourself if you could read and comprehend my post.
And the Nook is NOT a tablet. It's an e-reader. It's a functionally limited device that can in no way compete with what an iPad can do. For you to say otherwise is ignorance at best, or outright lying at worst.
HOW does the Archos 101 kick the crap out of the iPad at playing videos? Specifics please.
The Vega is perfect for hackers you say? Great, it's perfect for 1% of the population. What a WONDERFUL device, with NO mass market appeal.
As for models coming down the pipe, until they are selling they are VAPOR! The iPad is one year old, is on revision 2, and is selling right now. It's not "coming soon" like the rest of the wannabes.
Seriously, for someone who obviously thinks he's intellectually superior to anyone who wants an iPad, you are a mental midget that has no clue what the average user wants.
The Nook? Really? No wonder it undercuts it, because it's not a F'in tablet, it's an e-reader! Not familiar with the other ones, but if those are Apples vs oranges comparisions like you did with the Nook then I'd say you're full of shit. And please explain to me how these wonderful Android tablets, which "significantly" undercut the iPad price, are almost unheard of outside of Android apologists?
If all you're looking at is price then Android truly is a shitty solution. I certainly don't think the iPad is perfect, nor that its feature set/price can't be beat. I just believe that there is nothing beating it now, and all the vapor ware that has been announced so far is clouding the Android apologists' minds. And just so you can pull your head out of your ass a little faster, the phone market is not the same as the tablet market. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can start to make some arguments that make sense.
I would say the Android toehold in the US is largely due to iPhone being locked into AT&T for 3 years. If iPhone would have been available on multiple networks here I doubt Android would have much market share. We'll have to see how it fares against iPhone on AT&T and Verizon going forward, but I think we'll see a slip in Android sales on those two networks.
Yes, you certainly do see a lot of announcements. Unfortunately that's all you see, announcements. The Android tablet market at this point is largely vaporware. The few that have been released have looked good on paper, but received shitty reviews. It doesn't bode well for Android apologists' ability to sleep at night.
Ha!! I sure am enjoying this. Yes, motorola has launched a ridiculously expensive, partially functional, poorly performing product that I believe is already being shut down. Where is your comparably priced Android tablet which is going to kick the iPad off its perch? Right now it's all vapor.
You need to wake up and face a bit of reality. While the iPad may not enjoy this lead forever, one reality you have to face is one factor is not present in the tablet wars, the cellular carrier. The fact that the iPhone was exclusive on AT&T for 3 years gave Android an opportunity to gain traction via Verizon. (Yes, I know the US market is not the world, but this is the reason Android is even alive in the US). Now that iPhone is also on Verizon lets wait and see how the Android phones fare when they have to compete head to head? Verizon is already trying to give them damned things away now that the iPhone is on the network. While it's correct to say no device works for everyone, I would make the assertion that the iPad will appeal to a much larger segment of the population than the Xoom or other Android copycat.
As for you last paragraph, exactly HOW is the iPad expensive when no one else can seem to match the price? Hmmmm? Is anyone other than rabid Apple haters complaining that the iPad is "VERY restrictive". . . .(answer, NO!)? And the reason the iPad has unfettered exclusivity is that Apple built their first, and everyone else is still in copy mode since they don't seem to be able to have an original idea. I think you should sit down and have a drink because you are going to have to face an unpleasant reality at some point . . . ..your precious Android is not as great as you think it is.